TripItUp
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because those other guys are NOT the best golfer to ever walk the planet...I'll pay attention once they matter.
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culdeus
Footballguy
The 64 is misleading. The course was short, played soft, and the greens were slow. And it was a par 70 where people were hitting irons at a Par 4, green. It's somewhat an outlier course for a major.
TripItUp
Footballguy
And a lot of the "talent" will regress...see Jordan Spieth and Rory.
Tiger has put the young "talent" on notice.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Jayrok
Footballguy
Weird ending to the tournament yesterday when Keopka putted out instead of waiting for Scott to finish so he could have the stage. They say it's who he is with the ho hum type of approach to playing/winning. But it sort of summed up how yesterday unfolded, imo. When Tiger made his birdie putt on 18 the crowd erupted and we got a vintage Tiger fist pump. It was almost like he just won the tournament. Then they cut back to Keopka and Scott who were getting mild applause after making birdies. Same when they approached the 18th green. Fans cheered but it was almost like "oh yeah, Keopka is about to win the PGA", we should cheer him on.
Then his GF awkwardly following him to the scorers room. He looked like he was thinking of breaking up with her this weekend. And CBS showing his mom and said "Brooks doesn't know his mom is in the gallery." Maybe they wanted an emotional moment for the air. Not going to get it with Brooks. He hugged her and said "how you doin'?" seemed a little awkward.
Then his GF awkwardly following him to the scorers room. He looked like he was thinking of breaking up with her this weekend. And CBS showing his mom and said "Brooks doesn't know his mom is in the gallery." Maybe they wanted an emotional moment for the air. Not going to get it with Brooks. He hugged her and said "how you doin'?" seemed a little awkward.
JuniorGong
Footballguy
Koepka said after that he putted out because his marker would have been directly in Scott's line of sight for his putt. He knew Scott was putting for a tie for second and didn't want his marker to be a distraction for him.
Totally agree about his girlfriend, she definitely came across as a clinger.
culdeus
Footballguy
This is an era where you see 2-3 years of super high level play and a regression, true. That doesn't mean there won't be more surging in that category. Finau, etc. There seems to be a good supply of multiple major winners within 24-36 months now, where perhaps in the 2010 timeframe that wasn't there.
Agree that Rory/Speith and to a certain extent DJ have peaked and are just guys at this point.
The attention to the game, and dedication is just not sustainable at the level it takes in this era. Guys like Spieth can get a few majors, a huge payday and just coast for 10 years with no real material impact on their bottom line.
The real interesting thing will be the movement of the PGA earlier in the calendar. Guys may really push to peak in April/May and do their coasting from there for the crap tourneys that follow.
dhockster
Footballguy
He played well enough to win yesterday. He just happened to start the day 4 strokes behind a guy who happened to play a really good round of golf. Thus he couldn't make up the deficit. Tiger lost the tournament on the first 2 holes of the tournament when he was 3 over par.
He did not win, and if we are being honest, never looked like he could win. He shot his best round and still lost by 2. He was up against a better golfer.
Every major he plays - he will be up against better golfers. And with each passing year, the gap will continue to grow.
And, for the record - I am not a "Tiger-hater" I like him, and I have said repeatedly, I think he was the best golfer to ever play - his peak >>> Jack's peak. I just have the awareness to realize that his injuries and lifestyle have taken its toll. He is not going back to 2013.
He will continue to focus on the majors, and he will provide excitement to people who want to see the old Tiger dominating fields - but he will come up short. Because he is not the old Tiger.
Short Corner
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
He played a final round that was good enough to win if he hadn't been 4 strokes back of Brooks Koepka, a multi-major winner. Does that work for you?
JaxBill
Footballguy
Absolutely. The 29 year old and the 25 year old will never improve, while the 43 year old with bad back has a bright future.
And the 28 year old who has won 3 majors in last 14 months is surely on a downhill trajectory.
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
Reread his post. “They've had a decade of watching him lose and it has to be frustrating for them.”
We haven’t had a decade of watching him lose. Through 2017 Tiger STILL had the most PGA wins in the previous decade than EVERYONE, even with all the scandals, injuries and back surgeries. I was calling out the fallacy.
Otis
Footballguy
$500 (or $100, whatever your preference) says he wins a golf tournament in the next two years (so, by the end of the 2020 season). If you believe the odds are very much against it, I assume you're good with this.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
He’s winning a major again if he stays healthy. No doubt about it. I wouldn’t bet against him winning less than 5 tourneys going forward assuming current health holds.
Of course, my Oats bet is probably safer today than when we made it (2013?)
Of course, my Oats bet is probably safer today than when we made it (2013?)
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Otis
Footballguy
The good news for me is that SinnFein is going to put his money where his mouth is and pay off half what I'll owe you
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I've been one of the guys making fun of tiger due to the overhype but I could easily see him winning something by the end of 2020.
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Johnny Rock
Footballguy
Zegras11
Footballguy
I might be with Sinn here if the wagers by both sides are put into an account like League Safe or the like right away. He has a better chance of getting hurt again than winning.
Otis
Footballguy
Otis
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tommyboy
Footballguy
I thought it was impressive he didn't hit a fairway in the front nine and shot 3 under.He almost auto-qualifies for the Ryder Cup in 1/3 of the events...jeebus, incredible.
So what people forgot about the old tiger was he could do that. When most people would shoot a 74 he'd fight for a 68-69 from bad positions on the course. That's a skill I've not seen from most.
If he can do that and bring his A game once in a tournament, he tended to win about a third of his events
zoonation
Footballguy
The problem is that isn’t good enough to win anymore. He brings his a game for a whole tourney and he no doubt has the stuff to win. Any tournament. I’ve seen enough.
But his B game with occasional A game splashed in will not get it done on this tour (that he created).
zoonation
Footballguy
The bad news is that he’s betting slurpees for the soccer team.The good news for me is that SinnFein is going to put his money where his mouth is and pay off half what I'll owe you
:noconfidence:
tommyboy
Footballguy
i'm not sure i agree but if you look at the previous major Molinari shot 70-72-65-69
at the US Open Koepka shot 75-66-72-68
at the Masters Reed shot 69-66-67-71
thats just this years majors. You could go back if you want and see more of that. When Tiger was dominant he'd usually have a big friday or saturday, get the lead, then shoot 70-72 on Sunday to hold on. Jack would do the same. Spieth could have done that for a 4th major at the masters last year until he made a ridiculous score on 13, at the time he had a comfortable lead from his Saturday blitzkreig.
In order to win majors, you have to hang tough for at least one round, do well on 2 rounds and shoot an avg score for one round.
Otis
Footballguy
Thought this nailed it.
Oh and “in the hunt”
https://deadspin.com/tiger-woods-is-back-1828297102
Tiger Woods Is Back
Barry Petchesky
Tiger Woods didn’t win, which is how I’ll remember this year’s PGA Championship. But he was close, which is what made it to me the most exciting and memorable PGA Championship in a decade. Because I don’t care about golf, don’t find it interesting as a sport. (Complaints can be directed here.) But I care very much about Tiger Woods as human drama: the rise; the supernova stardom; the fall, the humility, the breakdowns of his body; the comebacks; the failed comebacks; this comeback, perhaps real?; all of it. I care that so many otherpeople care; it is impossible not to get sucked up into the excitement. I care that Tiger—not golf itself, but Tiger—can make a crowd sound like this:
That was Woods finding his way out of trouble on the ninth, and it’s a good summary of his Sunday. Incredibly, he didn’t hit a single fairway through the first nine holes, and equally incredibly, he needed just 10 putts on those same nine. Woods’s final-round 6-under 64 was a story of him battling against his driver, and generally losing, but fighting back with classic approach shots and elite putting: just 23 putts on the entire day.
It wasn’t enough to win, as Brooks Koepka, 14 years his junior, didn’t have the same struggles with his driver, which made all the difference. But it was enough to be close. It was enough, if you just had the tournament on TV in the background while you did other things, to imagine it was 15 years ago. Tiger in the third-to-last group, surging, in his Sunday red. Birdies falling. And the crowd; oh, the crowds.
“I’ve covered games in the Coliseum, with 85,000 people there, hollering,” a TV cameraman told Golf.com. “This was more than that ... The crowd noise for Tiger was like a storm brewing. You’d be standing on the side of the fairway and he’d be walking up it and it was like a sound wave, building up, getting louder and louder.”
“You could hear the roars from different parts of the golf course,” said Justin Thomas,the defending champion who had a share of the lead on the back nine but faltered to a T-6 finish. “It’s pretty apparent what a Tiger roar is versus anybody else. So I knew he was making noise.”
It still sounds the same. Maybe “still” isn’t the right word? Maybe it sounds like it does because of everything that’s happened in the meantime. Back then, the crowd went nuts because it was seeing incomparably sustained greatness. Now, the crowd goes nuts because it’s seeing something it never thought it’d see again.
This is what it looked and sounded like when Woods birdied 18, at which point he was out of the running. To wit: This is a roar of appreciation for merely having contended.
Imagine if he wins another major.
It has been 10 years since Woods won a major, five years since he even won on Tour. Sixteen months since spinal fusion surgery, his fourth back surgery. Fifteen months since a DUI arrest. Fourteen months since checking himself into rehab for pain pills. The chances of Woods looking anything like a top golfer never seemed so remote as they did last summer.
Yet 2018 has been his best year since 2009, before it all went to hell. In 14 starts, Woods has five top-10 finishes, and seven top-12s. He was in contention on the final day at Carnoustie, and here at Bellerive. He has been, as they used to say, in the hunt.
No wins, though. Well, so what? He is 42 years old, playing against younger, stronger men with more stamina and without the mental millstone of having spent a decade trying to remake their swings or conquer their failing bodies. He is not supposed to win. Remember if you can, back when Tiger stalked Jack Nicklaus’s mark of 18 major wins, and what you thought the remainder of his career might go like. It seemed certain; his only opponent was time. Because golfers, like any other athletes, peak and decline. Woods, through his own actions and through bad health and bad luck, was denied that graceful decline, during which he probably could have stolen the majors he needed. That didn’t happen, obviously, but something wild has occurred this year. Woods is right where he should be if the last decade had just never happened: He is a 42-year-old elite golfer, past his prime but still competitive enough to seriously contend on occasion. Tiger Woods is back, not to where he was but to where he would be.
The crowds have been here waiting.
Oh and “in the hunt”
https://deadspin.com/tiger-woods-is-back-1828297102
Tiger Woods Is Back
Barry Petchesky
Tiger Woods didn’t win, which is how I’ll remember this year’s PGA Championship. But he was close, which is what made it to me the most exciting and memorable PGA Championship in a decade. Because I don’t care about golf, don’t find it interesting as a sport. (Complaints can be directed here.) But I care very much about Tiger Woods as human drama: the rise; the supernova stardom; the fall, the humility, the breakdowns of his body; the comebacks; the failed comebacks; this comeback, perhaps real?; all of it. I care that so many otherpeople care; it is impossible not to get sucked up into the excitement. I care that Tiger—not golf itself, but Tiger—can make a crowd sound like this:
That was Woods finding his way out of trouble on the ninth, and it’s a good summary of his Sunday. Incredibly, he didn’t hit a single fairway through the first nine holes, and equally incredibly, he needed just 10 putts on those same nine. Woods’s final-round 6-under 64 was a story of him battling against his driver, and generally losing, but fighting back with classic approach shots and elite putting: just 23 putts on the entire day.
It wasn’t enough to win, as Brooks Koepka, 14 years his junior, didn’t have the same struggles with his driver, which made all the difference. But it was enough to be close. It was enough, if you just had the tournament on TV in the background while you did other things, to imagine it was 15 years ago. Tiger in the third-to-last group, surging, in his Sunday red. Birdies falling. And the crowd; oh, the crowds.
“I’ve covered games in the Coliseum, with 85,000 people there, hollering,” a TV cameraman told Golf.com. “This was more than that ... The crowd noise for Tiger was like a storm brewing. You’d be standing on the side of the fairway and he’d be walking up it and it was like a sound wave, building up, getting louder and louder.”
“You could hear the roars from different parts of the golf course,” said Justin Thomas,the defending champion who had a share of the lead on the back nine but faltered to a T-6 finish. “It’s pretty apparent what a Tiger roar is versus anybody else. So I knew he was making noise.”
It still sounds the same. Maybe “still” isn’t the right word? Maybe it sounds like it does because of everything that’s happened in the meantime. Back then, the crowd went nuts because it was seeing incomparably sustained greatness. Now, the crowd goes nuts because it’s seeing something it never thought it’d see again.
This is what it looked and sounded like when Woods birdied 18, at which point he was out of the running. To wit: This is a roar of appreciation for merely having contended.
Imagine if he wins another major.
It has been 10 years since Woods won a major, five years since he even won on Tour. Sixteen months since spinal fusion surgery, his fourth back surgery. Fifteen months since a DUI arrest. Fourteen months since checking himself into rehab for pain pills. The chances of Woods looking anything like a top golfer never seemed so remote as they did last summer.
Yet 2018 has been his best year since 2009, before it all went to hell. In 14 starts, Woods has five top-10 finishes, and seven top-12s. He was in contention on the final day at Carnoustie, and here at Bellerive. He has been, as they used to say, in the hunt.
No wins, though. Well, so what? He is 42 years old, playing against younger, stronger men with more stamina and without the mental millstone of having spent a decade trying to remake their swings or conquer their failing bodies. He is not supposed to win. Remember if you can, back when Tiger stalked Jack Nicklaus’s mark of 18 major wins, and what you thought the remainder of his career might go like. It seemed certain; his only opponent was time. Because golfers, like any other athletes, peak and decline. Woods, through his own actions and through bad health and bad luck, was denied that graceful decline, during which he probably could have stolen the majors he needed. That didn’t happen, obviously, but something wild has occurred this year. Woods is right where he should be if the last decade had just never happened: He is a 42-year-old elite golfer, past his prime but still competitive enough to seriously contend on occasion. Tiger Woods is back, not to where he was but to where he would be.
The crowds have been here waiting.
ChiefD
Footballguy
That’s a great article.
I know this is a weird parallel, but when the Royals won the World Series a few years ago, for those of us who remembered their 1985 championship, it was EXACTLY what that article described.
Something we thought we would never see again, at a volume and at a building roar and excitement we never thought we would feel one more time.
Thanks for posting that.
I know this is a weird parallel, but when the Royals won the World Series a few years ago, for those of us who remembered their 1985 championship, it was EXACTLY what that article described.
Something we thought we would never see again, at a volume and at a building roar and excitement we never thought we would feel one more time.
Thanks for posting that.
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zoonation
Footballguy
Great article. I’ve been thinking about it since the weekend and even me, who doesnt really “cheer” for Tiger, am still buzzing a bit from that Sunday.
One of the great major duals in the Tiger Hibernation era (zoo tm) was Phil and Stenson a few years ago at the British. That may have been the best ever golf/dual I have seen played in golf. By two guys. At the same time. One of whom was Phil, arguably the second biggest golf star the last quarter century. If you love golf, that is as good as it gets. Ryder Cups have been great too.
But what happened Sunday transcends golf. It was a magical sports moment that only Tiger can produce. Undeniable. The guy moves the needle like no other athlete in NA sports, including Labron. Globally he is basically Messi/Ronaldo.
And, he plays golf. Golf. A sport no one cares about.
I never thought I’d see it again. I feel like what happened was equally or more transcendent than his wins in the past. Because the narrative matters. Love it or hate it. And Tiger Woods dominates the narrative like no other.
Cant wait to watch it again. :fingerscrossed:
One of the great major duals in the Tiger Hibernation era (zoo tm) was Phil and Stenson a few years ago at the British. That may have been the best ever golf/dual I have seen played in golf. By two guys. At the same time. One of whom was Phil, arguably the second biggest golf star the last quarter century. If you love golf, that is as good as it gets. Ryder Cups have been great too.
But what happened Sunday transcends golf. It was a magical sports moment that only Tiger can produce. Undeniable. The guy moves the needle like no other athlete in NA sports, including Labron. Globally he is basically Messi/Ronaldo.
And, he plays golf. Golf. A sport no one cares about.
I never thought I’d see it again. I feel like what happened was equally or more transcendent than his wins in the past. Because the narrative matters. Love it or hate it. And Tiger Woods dominates the narrative like no other.
Cant wait to watch it again. :fingerscrossed:
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Otis
Footballguy
Agree GB, well said. Have thought about it a bunch since the weekend. Can’t read enough articles about it. “Magical” is the best word for it. Really hoping his body holds up and it continues. Because it makes random Sundays during non-NFL season something special.
zoonation
Footballguy
When he stiffed that iron at 15 to a foot after bogeying 14 I honestly though he was going have a chance. Imagine standing by that hole when he hit that in there? Bananas
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
He's done.
remember?
wasn't long ago.
remember?
wasn't long ago.
zoonation
Footballguy
Final though about how crazy this is: a year ago, when Tiger couldn’t get out of bed and was yipping chips across greens in a PGA tour event, I was convinced he was completely done.
There was chat here about how various bets should be paid out. I admit I held that view as well. The guy was DONE.
Now, while I think the major record is unattainable, there is no way I would be paying out bets on Jack’s record right now. He won’t win 5. I’d double down on that right now. But #### me if he doesn’t win one. Or two. Or even three.
If you told me his back holds up the next 10 years, I’d have have a hard time taking the under on 2.5.
There was chat here about how various bets should be paid out. I admit I held that view as well. The guy was DONE.
Now, while I think the major record is unattainable, there is no way I would be paying out bets on Jack’s record right now. He won’t win 5. I’d double down on that right now. But #### me if he doesn’t win one. Or two. Or even three.
If you told me his back holds up the next 10 years, I’d have have a hard time taking the under on 2.5.
Otis
Footballguy
grateful zed
Footballguy
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
I love Koepka and he’s a super cool customer. But the announcers are right that the last two groups were playing in virtual anonymity.
That Tiger fear factor might have crept in a bit if they were playing together. The volume of people, movement and commotion following Tiger is unlike what other golfers have seen.
It’s up to Tiger to play better off the tee and put himself in a position to be in the last group on Sunday. It’ll come.
That Tiger fear factor might have crept in a bit if they were playing together. The volume of people, movement and commotion following Tiger is unlike what other golfers have seen.
It’s up to Tiger to play better off the tee and put himself in a position to be in the last group on Sunday. It’ll come.
JuniorGong
Footballguy
12.3M people tuned into the last half hour of the tournament, overall the ratings for the final round were up 73% from the final round in 2017. That is astonishing.
dhockster
Footballguy
I wonder if Tiger has considered going to the PGA/TV Networks and negotiating a cut of the TV money for tournaments he plays in. If the ratings are so much more when he plays, it seems he might have leverage to do something like that. Not that he really needs the money.....
