Tiger Woods (2 Viewers)

[TobiasFunke]

Making fun of Irish for drinking is different from this how?

Replace "African American" and/or "slave" with "Irish" and "chicken" with "booze" in that passage and let me know if it still makes sense. If not, they're different.

You seem to be confusing "different" with "less offensive" or "more offensive."

 

[Ghost Rider]

I agree, but I don't think anyone is overreacting to the comment, are they? I think all people care about is that he made any kind of racial joke about Woods at all, and that he made the same racial joke another golfer made 15 years ago, and the fact that we already know they hate each other. Nobody's acting like he showed up on the first tee in a white robe and pointy hat.

That would be epic trolling if he did that. If nothing else, people sort of know who Sergio Garcia is again. That probably won't last long.

 

[bigbottom]

Why exactly is that phrase offensive?

Imagine if Tiger was Irish and Garcia had made a "let's go have a drink" joke. Or If he was Italian and he said it about pizza. Everyone would be laughing.

Do you mean when Fuzzy said it or when Sergio said it? There's actually a difference, because there is an existing opinion on Fuzzy's comments. The majority opinion is that it was racist.

It's hilarious how every time there's any controversy about whether something was racist, the "PC Police Police" have to come rushing in with their silly hypotheticals about imagined double standards.

They are not imagined. Having said that, I have no doubt that Garcia meant it in a racist way, hence the backlash, but I was just saying, had it been about a white person, no big deal would have been made. Do you really disagree?

Making fun of black people eating fried chicken is totally different than making fun a Irish people for drinking or Italians for eating pizza.

How is that completely different? How is it different at all? If he had said something about blacks not working or blacks not taking care of their children, it would have been an attack on an entire race's character and THAT would have been different. But liking chicken is different than Italians liking pizza or Irishmen liking beer? How?

Seriously?

From Wikipedia:

>When it was introduced to the American South, fried chicken became a common staple. Later, as the slave trade led to Africans being brought to work on southern plantations, the slaves who became cooks incorporated seasonings and spices that were absent in traditional Scottish cuisine, enriching the flavor.[10] Since most slaves were unable to raise expensive meats, but generally allowed to keep chickens, frying chicken on special occasions continued in the African American communities of the South. It endured the fall of slavery and gradually passed into common use as a general Southern dish. Since fried chicken traveled well in hot weather before refrigeration was commonplace, it gained further favor in the periods of American history when segregation closed off most restaurants to the black population. Fried chicken continues to be among this region's top choices for "Sunday dinner" among both blacks and whites. Holidays such as Independence Day and other gatherings often feature this dish.[11]

Since the American Civil War, traditional slave foods like fried chicken, watermelon, and chitterlings have suffered a strong association with African American stereotypes and blackface minstrelsy.[10] This was commercialized for the first half of the 20th century by restaurants like Sambo's and Coon Chicken Inn, which selected exaggerated depictions of blacks as mascots, implying quality by their association with the stereotype. Although also being acknowledged positively as "soul food" today, the affinity that African American culture has for fried chicken has been considered a delicate, often pejorative issue. While the perception of fried chicken as an ethnic dish has been fading for several decades, with the ubiquity of fried chicken dishes in the US, it persists as a racial stereotype.[12][13][14][15]

Again, don't mistake this for me thinking it's really offensive. It's about as mild as negative stereotypes can get. But like I said, every ethnicity and stereotype has a different history. It's stupid to compare them.

Making fun of Irish for drinking is different from this how?

Sergio made fun of an Irish person for drinking?(In other words, it's a bit pointless to defend whether or not a statement is inappropriate by coming up with other completely hypothetical and arguably analogous statements to argue that entire groups of people would be okey dokey with these completely hypothetical statements that were never actually said by the individual in question.)

 

[Zow]

Personally, I think stereotypes like blacks eating chicken and irish drinking a lot or whites not being able to dance are harmless and not at all offensive. They're jokes. People take themselves too seriously.

However, make no mistake about it, Sergio meant for that to be a racist statement. He has so much disdain for Tiger.

And why the statement itself may not be racist, it unnecessarily brings race into play. I see no motivation for Sergio to do that other than to be make light of Tiger's race, which is distasteful.

 

[DiStefano]

Personally, I think stereotypes like blacks eating chicken and irish drinking a lot or whites not being able to dance are harmless and not at all offensive. They're jokes. People take themselves too seriously.

However, make no mistake about it, Sergio meant for that to be a racist statement. He has so much disdain for Tiger.

And why the statement itself may not be racist, it unnecessarily brings race into play. I see no motivation for Sergio to do that other than to be make light of Tiger's race, which is distasteful.

Whereas if he's said that he would have him over for Thai food, everyone would have thought it was a nice gesture.

 

[Zow]

Why exactly is that phrase offensive?

Imagine if Tiger was Irish and Garcia had made a "let's go have a drink" joke. Or If he was Italian and he said it about pizza. Everyone would be laughing.

Do you mean when Fuzzy said it or when Sergio said it? There's actually a difference, because there is an existing opinion on Fuzzy's comments. The majority opinion is that it was racist.

It's hilarious how every time there's any controversy about whether something was racist, the "PC Police Police" have to come rushing in with their silly hypotheticals about imagined double standards.

They are not imagined. Having said that, I have no doubt that Garcia meant it in a racist way, hence the backlash, but I was just saying, had it been about a white person, no big deal would have been made. Do you really disagree?

Making fun of black people eating fried chicken is totally different than making fun a Irish people for drinking or Italians for eating pizza.

How is that completely different? How is it different at all? If he had said something about blacks not working or blacks not taking care of their children, it would have been an attack on an entire race's character and THAT would have been different. But liking chicken is different than Italians liking pizza or Irishmen liking beer? How?

The point though is why go racial at all. There's plenty of ammo for poking fun at Tiger - heck, say something like he'll invite Tiger over every night because his wife no longer cooks for him or because he knows Tiger will have porn stars in tow. Or that his plan is to spike his drink or something.

Going racial is just pointless and stupid on Sergio's part and brings race into play in a sport which hasn't exactly embraced ethnic diversity with open arms.

 

[koby925]

In his idiocy and without thinking it through, I think Sergio said this because of Fuzzy's well known comments. I believe he was trying to be clever and funny by referencing Fuzzy but it was an epic fail.

 

[bigbottom]

Personally, I think stereotypes like blacks eating chicken and irish drinking a lot or whites not being able to dance are harmless and not at all offensive. They're jokes. People take themselves too seriously. However, make no mistake about it, Sergio meant for that to be a racist statement. He has so much disdain for Tiger.

And why the statement itself may not be racist, it unnecessarily brings race into play. I see no motivation for Sergio to do that other than to be make light of Tiger's race, which is distasteful.

Whereas if he's said that he would have him over for Thai food, everyone would have thought it was a nice gesture.

You make an excellent point. Sergio should have just said that he'd be serving Black food.

 

[Zow]

Personally, I think stereotypes like blacks eating chicken and irish drinking a lot or whites not being able to dance are harmless and not at all offensive. They're jokes. People take themselves too seriously. However, make no mistake about it, Sergio meant for that to be a racist statement. He has so much disdain for Tiger.

And why the statement itself may not be racist, it unnecessarily brings race into play. I see no motivation for Sergio to do that other than to be make light of Tiger's race, which is distasteful.

Whereas if he's said that he would have him over for Thai food, everyone would have thought it was a nice gesture.

I don't think everyone would have thought that. And that's not a direct comparison since you didn't specify a particular type of Thai food that has a historical use of poking fun at a particular race. ETA: Bigbottom beat me to it.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

If Sergio said Kung Pao Chicken would this be a big deal?

No, because Tiger isn't Chinese.

You might want to check on that and get back to me.

 

[Zow]

If Sergio said Kung Pao Chicken would this be a big deal?

No, because Tiger isn't Chinese.

You might want to check on that and get back to me.

Seriously?

Tiger's mom is Thai and Dutch. That isn't Chinese. Tiger's dad may actually have a small fraction of Chinese in him, but it's never been confirmed.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The point though is why go racial at all. There's plenty of ammo for poking fun at Tiger - heck, say something like he'll invite Tiger over every night because his wife no longer cooks for him or because he knows Tiger will have porn stars in tow. Or that his plan is to spike his drink or something.

Going racial is just pointless and stupid on Sergio's part and brings race into play in a sport which hasn't exactly embraced ethnic diversity with open arms.

Agreed. There is more than enough ammo to poke fun at Woods with, without having to resort to a crack that many will perceive as racist.

 

[JuniorNB]

Why exactly is that phrase offensive?

Imagine if Tiger was Irish and Garcia had made a "let's go have a drink" joke. Or If he was Italian and he said it about pizza. Everyone would be laughing.

Do you mean when Fuzzy said it or when Sergio said it? There's actually a difference, because there is an existing opinion on Fuzzy's comments. The majority opinion is that it was racist.

It's hilarious how every time there's any controversy about whether something was racist, the "PC Police Police" have to come rushing in with their silly hypotheticals about imagined double standards.

They are not imagined. Having said that, I have no doubt that Garcia meant it in a racist way, hence the backlash, but I was just saying, had it been about a white person, no big deal would have been made. Do you really disagree?

Making fun of black people eating fried chicken is totally different than making fun a Irish people for drinking or Italians for eating pizza.

How is that completely different? How is it different at all? If he had said something about blacks not working or blacks not taking care of their children, it would have been an attack on an entire race's character and THAT would have been different. But liking chicken is different than Italians liking pizza or Irishmen liking beer? How?

The point though is why go racial at all. There's plenty of ammo for poking fun at Tiger - heck, say something like he'll invite Tiger over every night because his wife no longer cooks for him or because he knows Tiger will have porn stars in tow. Or that his plan is to spike his drink or something.

Going racial is just pointless and stupid on Sergio's part and brings race into play in a sport which hasn't exactly embraced ethnic diversity with open arms.

Oh, I'm not in any way doubting that Sergio intended it to be a racial slur. I was arguing Tobias' claim that saying blacks like fried chicken is different than saying the irish like beer or Italians like pizza. All harmless jokes.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Earl Woods, a retired lieutenant colonel and Vietnam War veteran, was of African American, Native American, and possibly Chinese ancestry.[12] Kultida (née Punsawad), originally from Thailand (where Earl had met her on a tour of duty in 1968), is of mixed Thai, Chinese, and Dutch ancestry.[13] He refers to his ethnic make-up as "Cablinasian" (a syllabic abbreviation he coined from Caucasian, Black, American Indian, and Asian).[14]

Not sure why anyone would care, but it's not like this is an obscure fact about Woods.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

If Sergio said Kung Pao Chicken would this be a big deal?

No, because Tiger isn't Chinese.

You might want to check on that and get back to me.

Seriously? Tiger's mom is Thai and Dutch. That isn't Chinese. Tiger's dad may actually have a small fraction of Chinese in him, but it's never been confirmed.

Tiger's mother is from Thailand and is a mix of Thai, Chinese and Dutch.

 

[Nipsey]

Above all this shows Sergio lacks cleverness. So many ways to zing Tiger Woods and that's what he comes up with?

 

[sho nuff]

Personally, I think stereotypes like blacks eating chicken and irish drinking a lot or whites not being able to dance are harmless and not at all offensive. They're jokes. People take themselves too seriously.

However, make no mistake about it, Sergio meant for that to be a racist statement. He has so much disdain for Tiger.

And after Fuzzy's crap...how any golfer would try to play the "I didn't know it was offensive" card is pretty ridiculous.

Is that what Sergio is claiming now? I haven't read any statements by him since.

Heard it was more of "thats not really seen as offensive over the pond and all" kind of thing.

 

[moderated]

Does Tiger like Fried Chicken? I've heard he's big into sushi but maybe he likes chicken a lot too.

 

[Apple Jack]

Above all this shows Sergio lacks cleverness. So many ways to zing Tiger Woods and that's what he comes up with?

He's an emotional basket case who lives with is mother at 33 years old. And Tiger just played him like a banjo, knowing he'd hang himself if he fed him just enough rope.

 

[DiStefano]

Above all this shows Sergio lacks cleverness. So many ways to zing Tiger Woods and that's what he comes up with?

He's an emotional basket case who lives with is mother at 33 years old. And Tiger just played him like a banjo, knowing he'd hang himself if he fed him just enough rope.

That's racist.

From Wikipedia: "the banjo occupied a central place in African American traditional music, before becoming popular in the minstrel shows of the 19th century."

 

[Zow]

Above all this shows Sergio lacks cleverness. So many ways to zing Tiger Woods and that's what he comes up with?

He's an emotional basket case who lives with is mother at 33 years old. And Tiger just played him like a banjo, knowing he'd hang himself if he fed him just enough rope.

That's racist.

From Wikipedia: "the banjo occupied a central place in African American traditional music, before becoming popular in the minstrel shows of the 19th century."

That's not funny or clever.

 

[Apple Jack]

Cases like this always seem to draw out the tone deaf like clockwork.

 

[Fennis]

Above all this shows Sergio lacks cleverness. So many ways to zing Tiger Woods and that's what he comes up with?

He's an emotional basket case who lives with is mother at 33 years old. And Tiger just played him like a banjo, knowing he'd hang himself if he fed him just enough rope.

That's racist.

From Wikipedia: "the banjo occupied a central place in African American traditional music, before becoming popular in the minstrel shows of the 19th century."

That's not funny or clever.

Just like Sergio Garcia.

 

[gump]

How is that completely different? How is it different at all? If he had said something about blacks not working or blacks not taking care of their children, it would have been an attack on an entire race's character and THAT would have been different. But liking chicken is different than Italians liking pizza or Irishmen liking beer?

It's different because blacks were linked to fried chicken when it was used as a reward for slaves. It, along with watermelon, is a traditional slave food that carried forward to a stereotype staple...hand in hand with blackface.Sergio could have picked a million types of foods, but chose fried chicken...which he wants us to believe was a harmless jab. He must think we're idiots.This is going to mushroom....wouldn't be surprised to see Adidas can his ### soon.

 

[drummer]

What the hell happened to this thread?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

How does Tiger feel about Bitcoins?

 

[17seconds]

How is that completely different? How is it different at all? If he had said something about blacks not working or blacks not taking care of their children, it would have been an attack on an entire race's character and THAT would have been different. But liking chicken is different than Italians liking pizza or Irishmen liking beer?

It's different because blacks were linked to fried chicken when it was used as a reward for slaves. It, along with watermelon, is a traditional slave food that carried forward to a stereotype staple...hand in hand with blackface.Sergio could have picked a million types of foods, but chose fried chicken...which he wants us to believe was a harmless jab. He must think we're idiots.This is going to mushroom....wouldn't be surprised to see Adidas can his ### soon.

The Romans had food tasters try mushrooms in case they were poisonous. Many of them died, you insensitive jerk.

 

[gump]

How is that completely different? How is it different at all? If he had said something about blacks not working or blacks not taking care of their children, it would have been an attack on an entire race's character and THAT would have been different. But liking chicken is different than Italians liking pizza or Irishmen liking beer?

It's different because blacks were linked to fried chicken when it was used as a reward for slaves. It, along with watermelon, is a traditional slave food that carried forward to a stereotype staple...hand in hand with blackface.Sergio could have picked a million types of foods, but chose fried chicken...which he wants us to believe was a harmless jab. He must think we're idiots.This is going to mushroom....wouldn't be surprised to see Adidas can his ### soon.

The Romans had food tasters try mushrooms in case they were poisonous. Many of them died, you insensitive jerk.

Did the Romans wear 3 Stripes on their shirts?

 

[Otis]

JuniorNB:

1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013.

Take it or leave it?

 

[John Bender]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

I might be tempted to add to our 500 on this at straight odds. And if you're really interested in action, I'm sure I could wrangle up a few of my troops in the wagering thread on this.

 

[Underachievers]

Tsk tsk tsk Sergio.....did you really insinuate that Tiger likes fried chicken? Did you not know that eating chicken is a sensitive topic to bring up? Did you not know that the "sensitivity police" would jump all over this?

Oh wait, Tiger DOES like fried chicken? Hmmmm..........

 

[Apple Jack]

Tsk tsk tsk Sergio.....did you really insinuate that Tiger likes fried chicken? Did you not know that eating chicken is a sensitive topic to bring up? Did you not know that the "sensitivity police" would jump all over this?

Oh wait, Tiger DOES like fried chicken? Hmmmm..........

As I was saying about these stories drawing out the tone deaf.

 

[17seconds]

If, like any human, Tiger gets a KFC craving now he has to send his assistant to pick it up

thanks sergio

 

[zoonation]

Tsk tsk tsk Sergio.....did you really insinuate that Tiger likes fried chicken? Did you not know that eating chicken is a sensitive topic to bring up? Did you not know that the "sensitivity police" would jump all over this? Oh wait, Tiger DOES like fried chicken? Hmmmm..........

LolI love the blend of obtuse and ignorant.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

If, like any human, Tiger gets a KFC craving now he has to send his assistant to pick it up thanks sergio

Tiger strikes me as more of a Popeyes guy

 

[Abraham]

Shouldn't Sergio's agent call KFC and Popeyes and try to get an ad out of this mess? "I love chicken...I eat it all the time...I serve it to all my guests, even those I don't like!"

 

[Judge Smails]

Just love seeing Sergio dig himself deeper. At least he's relevant now.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa. I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa.I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

FWIW I got 56/44 against Tiger winning one of the next three using the current odds with the vig backed out. Not a totally crazy bet, but it's not stealing money like the election bets either.

 

[Apple Jack]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa.I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

A thousand straight up that he wins Merion even before he's ever seen the course is not inconceivable. Even money that he wins one of the last three is a no-brainer. He wins the Masters if he doesn't hit the pin on 15 on Saturday.

He doesn't have the 2000 foot on the throat mentality, but he does have the command. He's just a much more conservative player now. He wants the win more than he wants to embarrass the field and leave jaws on the floor.

 

[JuniorNB]

JuniorNB:

1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013.

Take it or leave it?

Can't make that bet because I made the claim months ago that he'll win a major this year. We'd be wanting to take the same side of the bet.

 

[JuniorNB]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa.I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

He wins the Masters if he doesn't hit the pin on 15 on Saturday.

Bullsh!t

 

[eurotrashman]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa.I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

He wins the Masters if he doesn't hit the pin on 15 on Saturday.

Bull####

It was a 4 shot swing Ace......he wins if he doesn't hit it.

 

[Otis]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa.I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

FWIW I got 56/44 against Tiger winning one of the next three using the current odds with the vig backed out. Not a totally crazy bet, but it's not stealing money like the election bets either.

Sometimes you go with your gut. And sometimes you know the loudmouth on the other end will never accept and you end up proving a point.

 

[DiStefano]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa.I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

He wins the Masters if he doesn't hit the pin on 15 on Saturday.

Bull####

It was a 4 shot swing Ace......he wins if he doesn't hit it.

He goes into a 3 man playoff.

 

[Otis]

JuniorNB:

1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013.

Take it or leave it?

Can't make that bet

You don't say.

 

[Otis]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

I might be tempted to add to our 500 on this at straight odds. And if you're really interested in action, I'm sure I could wrangle up a few of my troops in the wagering thread on this.

Say the word.

 

[Apple Jack]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa.I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

He wins the Masters if he doesn't hit the pin on 15 on Saturday.

Bull####

It was a 4 shot swing Ace......he wins if he doesn't hit it.

He goes into a 3 man playoff.

No, he has a kick in birdie and takes the lead. Then maybe (probably) makes another one coming in with the momentum and those Saturday pins and sleeps on the 54 hole lead, something he's pretty good with. Instead, his nerves are fried and he's just trying to get to the clubhouse. Then he wakes up with the possibility of being DQ'd. Then the golf community collectively laughing at the ruling and calling for him to WD. Then he gets to go out and try to come from behind. If he gets to the clubhouse with the lead Saturday, he more than likely wins. All that distraction, reversal of momentum, and spotting the field under Sunday Major conditions was worth more than a single stroke. I don't think you'll find anybody who pays much attention who will say with a straight face that it was Tiger's tournament if he birdies 15 there.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

That all happened on Friday, FYI.

 

[DiStefano]

JuniorNB:1k says Tiger wins a major in 2013. Take it or leave it?

Whoa.I know you wub Tiger, but this is a ridiculous bet for you.

He wins the Masters if he doesn't hit the pin on 15 on Saturday.

Bull####

It was a 4 shot swing Ace......he wins if he doesn't hit it.

He goes into a 3 man playoff.

No, he has a kick in birdie and takes the lead. Then maybe (probably) makes another one coming in with the momentum and those Saturday pins and sleeps on the 54 hole lead, something he's pretty good with. Instead, his nerves are fried and he's just trying to get to the clubhouse. Then he wakes up with the possibility of being DQ'd. Then the golf community collectively laughing at the ruling and calling for him to WD. Then he gets to go out and try to come from behind. If he gets to the clubhouse with the lead Saturday, he more than likely wins.

All supposition. Actually, Adam Scott and Cabrera rise to the challenge and birdie the last seven holes on Sunday. Tiger ends up 3rd.

I can construct imaginary scenarios too.