Garcia, who would be part of a minority group in the USA, is probably not skilled in the delicate and esoteric nuances of anything which might be considered racist in the USA.
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TobiasFunke
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Yeah I was wondering about that too, if maybe he didn't know that would be racist. But he was already an accomplished junior golfer when Fuzzy made his fried chicken crack, he must've heard plenty about it back then just like the rest of us did. Plus why would he go out of his way to mention fried chicken there? Can't say for sure but it sure seems like he knew what he was doing.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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dude... of course he knew, I am 100% certain. People who don't follow golf know that comment. His entire life is golf.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I always felt that Fuzzy tossing in the collard greens was much worse than mentioning fried chicken
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
For people who didn't know/don't remember... here's the Fuzzy Zoeller video from Tiger's first Masters win.
The parting shot over his shoulder is 'or collard greens, or whatever the the hell they serve.' Forgot that he snuck a 'little boy' in there too.
The parting shot over his shoulder is 'or collard greens, or whatever the the hell they serve.' Forgot that he snuck a 'little boy' in there too.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Sergio denied knowing about Fuzzy's comment during a press conference in England this morning.
Yes, he probably does. But you have to realize that people in other countries don't get their nose totally put out of joint about joking references to ethnicity. Just like in the US we don't get our noses out of joint if someone mentions that Mississippians are not very sophisticated.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't think he's one of those Euros that lives in the US like Luke Donald and Ian Poulter, so it's possible maybe they don't know that fried chicken cracks are kinda racist over here. I would still find it VERY hard to believe that he didn't pick that up and intentionally make a racist crack, between the Fuzzy incident and the fact that he went out of his way to mention fried chicken. But it's at least worth mentioning.
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Johnny Bing
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For a guy that doesn't like being interviewed and being asked about Tiger Woods, sure seems to fuel a fire that he wants to be put out.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Otis
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Ghost Rider
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Imagine if Tiger was Irish and Garcia had made a "let's go have a drink" joke. Or If he was Italian and he said it about pizza. Everyone would be laughing.
Leroy Hoard
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Johnny Bing
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root of all aliai
Do you mean when Fuzzy said it or when Sergio said it? There's actually a difference, because there is an existing opinion on Fuzzy's comments. The majority opinion is that it was racist.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
It's hilarious how every time there's any controversy about whether something was racist, the "PC Police Police" have to come rushing in with their silly hypotheticals about imagined double standards.
Personally, I think stereotypes like blacks eating chicken and irish drinking a lot or whites not being able to dance are harmless and not at all offensive. They're jokes. People take themselves too seriously.
However, make no mistake about it, Sergio meant for that to be a racist statement. He has so much disdain for Tiger.
However, make no mistake about it, Sergio meant for that to be a racist statement. He has so much disdain for Tiger.
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koby925
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
Goodbye fried rice, hello fried chicken.
jwb
Footballguy
Out of the thousands of foods / dishes he could have chosen, why Fried Chicken? Was that just coincidence? Or was it a reference to a racial stereotype?
jwb
Footballguy
Agreed. They are jokes when used in friendly mixed company, privately, or a stand-up comedian or such.
In the context Sergio used it, not so much.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
They are not imagined. Having said that, I have no doubt that Garcia meant it in a racist way, hence the backlash, but I was just saying, had it been about a white person, no big deal would have been made. Do you really disagree?
Exactly. I am Irish, too, and I do not look to be outraged or insulted at the drop of a hat, unlike some people.
dickey moe
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Of course I agree. So what? Every race and racial stereotype is different. Making fun of black people eating fried chicken is totally different than making fun a Irish people for drinking or Italians for eating pizza. Since they're all completely different, what exactly is accomplished by rushing in any time there's a controversy about a possibly racist statement to with meaningless false comparisons just to say "hey, white people get made fun of too!"? Who are you, Rush Limbaugh?
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
What's a comparably offensive food we could use to make fun of Sergio's ethnicity? Gazpacho?
Leroy Hoard
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Nipsey
Footballguy
I can't believe Sergio could be this dumb, especially knowing what happened to Fuzzy's life after he said something similar. Probably had a glass of wine and thought he was being funny.
Nobody is actually offended. The fried chicken quips harken back to (I think) times of slavery when slaves couldn't eat the owners decent livestock, all they could eat was chicken because it was cheap. I'm sure there was a time when a joke like that actually offended people. Imagine 150 years from now if someone non-american said they should stick you on the top floor of a skyscraper and fly planes into the building. You'd be like, c'mon bro.
Nobody is actually offended. The fried chicken quips harken back to (I think) times of slavery when slaves couldn't eat the owners decent livestock, all they could eat was chicken because it was cheap. I'm sure there was a time when a joke like that actually offended people. Imagine 150 years from now if someone non-american said they should stick you on the top floor of a skyscraper and fly planes into the building. You'd be like, c'mon bro.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Is that really the way you want to go with this? Can I play, too, and say, "Who are you, Chris Matthews?"
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Is that really the way you want to go with this? Can I play, too, and say, "Who are you, Chris Matthews?"
You made a Limbaugh-esque argument.All racial and ethnic stereotypes are different. We can agree on that, right? And I think we both agree that (1) when it comes to negative black stereotypes, fried chicken is a negative one but also a pretty mild one; and (2) Sergio probably was thinking on racial lines when he said what he did. Agreed?
How is that completely different? How is it different at all? If he had said something about blacks not working or blacks not taking care of their children, it would have been an attack on an entire race's character and THAT would have been different. But liking chicken is different than Italians liking pizza or Irishmen liking beer? How?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Seriously?
From Wikipedia:
Again, don't mistake this for me thinking it's really offensive. It's about as mild as negative stereotypes can get. But like I said, every ethnicity and stereotype has a different history. It's stupid to compare them.
sho nuff
Footballguy
And after Fuzzy's crap...how any golfer would try to play the "I didn't know it was offensive" card is pretty ridiculous.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Well, I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, so if that is an argument he would make, I'll take your word for it, but I do know that asking someone if they are him is pretty insulting, so thanks for that.
Is that really the way you want to go with this? Can I play, too, and say, "Who are you, Chris Matthews?"
All racial and ethnic stereotypes are different. We can agree on that, right? And I think we both agree that (1) when it comes to negative black stereotypes, fried chicken is a negative one but also a pretty mild one; and (2) Sergio probably was thinking on racial lines when he said what he did. Agreed?
And I already said I thought number 2 in your scenario there was true, and as for number 1, yes, that is also true, but I think overreacting to a fried chicken comment is just that: overreacting. I get the history and all, but are people never allowed to joke about blacks liking a certain food? Would you be on board if an Italian got upset over someone joking that they liked pizza?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I agree, but I don't think anyone is overreacting to the comment, are they? I think all people care about is that he made any kind of racial joke about Woods at all, and that he made the same racial joke another golfer made 15 years ago, and the fact that we already know they hate each other. Nobody's acting like he showed up on the first tee in a white robe and pointy hat.
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Sergio, you're an idiot. 
