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General Malaise said:
Have you ever been to a country club? 
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Right.. golf was a country club sport.  Almost all the greats were either country club kids (Nicklaus, Watson, Palmer, Bobby Jones) or caddies (Hogan, Nelson, Sarazen, Snead, Trevino).

He made it universal, skyrocketing tv ratings, and increased purses.

"the PGA Tour handed out $101 million in prize money in 1996 (Tiger's last year as an amateur) and $292 million in 2008 (the last year of the Tiger Woods era).The 9.3% average annual increase in prize money during the Tiger era (1997-2008) is nearly triple the 3.4% average annual increase that the tour saw in the six years before Tiger went pro (1990-96).

With the golf industry struggling across the board, purses have dropped by 2.3% since Tiger's career took a turn in 2008,"

Yer boi

 
I just don't understand why a guy who was married to beautiful Swedish twins would be out banging a bunch of skanks who fell out of the ugly tree.

 
I just want to add...

When I play video golf, I find myself, as my irons are in the air, yelling "Bite...... BITE !"  That's the Tiger Woods effect.

I also wonder how often in his private life over the years, he was yelling the opposite.

 
Evilgrin72 said:
I just want to add...

When I play video golf, I find myself, as my irons are in the air, yelling "Bite...... BITE !"  That's the Tiger Woods effect.

I also wonder how often in his private life over the years, he was yelling the opposite.
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From everything I read, Tiger liked it rough when he was with his little birdies. You have to assume his wife’s preferences in the sack (including which holes he was allowed to play) were not up to par with Tiger’s preferences. I don’t want to draw too many conclusions but if we are going to cut to the chase pretty sure that was why Tiger was playing through so much.

 
JuniorGong said:
From everything I read, Tiger liked it rough when he was with his little birdies. You have to assume his wife’s preferences in the sack (including which holes he was allowed to play) were not up to par with Tiger’s preferences. I don’t want to draw too many conclusions but if we are going to cut to the chase pretty sure that was why Tiger was playing through so much.
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Driving it into the deep rough is one thing, playing out of bounds another.

 
Judge Smails said:
No shame in that effort.  That lofted bunker shot was the old Tiger.  Unreal.  He just had to be a bit more crisp with his last couple driving irons into the wind, but everyone was missing to the right (23MPH, in your face and to the right).  He would have been right there but he got too cute with that flop shot.  Should have taken his medicine, leave himself with a 15 footer for par and take his chances.  
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i was kind of thinking the same thing at the time....but he went for it....and was about a foot away from pulling it off....he was trying to win the whole thing, not play it safe....I'm down with that attitude....Tiger doesn't have anything left to prove to the golfing world....IMO he should Roy McAvoy it every time...

 
also....until Tiger gets the driver figured out..(confidence back)....he is going to struggle hanging with the big boys on a consistent basis....you can only hit stinger 2 irons off the tee so often...before you find yourself hitting mid to long irons in when everybody else has a wedge in their hand......this last week was set up perfectly for his stingers and allowed him to be in contention, but that's not gonna be the case most weeks....

 
General Malaise said:
I dunno man...I think you are reaching. Jordan was great.  So was Magic and Kareem and Wilt and Dr. J, Etc.  The sport was fine before and after Jordan.  

I know Tiger had a huge impact, but I don't think golf was hurting without him.  I worked at the Dallas Country Club for 6 years in the 80s/90s....I don't remember too many vacant tee times.  Arnold Palmer has a golf tournament and a drink named after him.  I have Ben Hogan irons in my bag. I skipped school to watch the Byron Nelson.  The sport of golf was big before Tiger and will be fine when he's gone.  

I don't think Tiger will win another major.  The field is too good now.  I'm willing to wager on it.  :thumbup:
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Just out of curiosity, where would you rank Tiger these days among his peers? Top 100? Top 50? Better? Worse? With more time to hone is craft after missing pretty much 4 years of playing competitive golf, do you feel he has any chance to improve any and rank even higher?

As a comparison, I believe Tiger went from essentially unranked to now Top 50 in half a year and playing in only half the tournaments. After a full year, where do you think Tiger will end up ranking?

 
Anarchy99 said:
Just out of curiosity, where would you rank Tiger these days among his peers? Top 100? Top 50? Better? Worse? With more time to hone is craft after missing pretty much 4 years of playing competitive golf, do you feel he has any chance to improve any and rank even higher?

As a comparison, I believe Tiger went from essentially unranked to now Top 50 in half a year and playing in only half the tournaments. After a full year, where do you think Tiger will end up ranking?
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Yeah, he's pretty good.  I'm not sure what I was thinking yesterday.  I just dug in and wasted the better part of a day defending something I don't even really care about. :bag:

 
General Malaise said:
I dunno man...I think you are reaching. Jordan was great.  So was Magic and Kareem and Wilt and Dr. J, Etc.  The sport was fine before and after Jordan.  

I know Tiger had a huge impact, but I don't think golf was hurting without him.  I worked at the Dallas Country Club for 6 years in the 80s/90s....I don't remember too many vacant tee times.  Arnold Palmer has a golf tournament and a drink named after him.  I have Ben Hogan irons in my bag. I skipped school to watch the Byron Nelson.  The sport of golf was big before Tiger and will be fine when he's gone.  

I don't think Tiger will win another major.  The field is too good now.  I'm willing to wager on it.  :thumbup:
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Tiger moves the needle more than anyone ever has, still. Probably the most dominant player ever even though Jack has more majors.

 
Johnny Rock said:
Would you be more likely to accept the same bet at $250 if you open this thread when drunk again later? 

So after all the BS in this thread the last few days, now you think Tiger WILL win another Major? 
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The bet I made with Pack and Roboto was O/U 2.5 major victories between now and 2022, including the PGA next month.  I'm good with that, though I will admit a smarter, more cerebral GM probably wouldn't have been so feckless.

 
General Malaise said:
I dunno man...I think you are reaching. Jordan was great.  So was Magic and Kareem and Wilt and Dr. J, Etc.  The sport was fine before and after Jordan.  

I know Tiger had a huge impact, but I don't think golf was hurting without him.  I worked at the Dallas Country Club for 6 years in the 80s/90s....I don't remember too many vacant tee times.  Arnold Palmer has a golf tournament and a drink named after him.  I have Ben Hogan irons in my bag. I skipped school to watch the Byron Nelson.  The sport of golf was big before Tiger and will be fine when he's gone.  

I don't think Tiger will win another major.  The field is too good now.  I'm willing to wager on it.  :thumbup:
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Back in the 80s and 90s yes, golf was booming and Tiger helped fuel that boom towards the end of it.  But it came crashing down in the late 2000s.  We built way too many golf courses and the whole industry tanked.  If it wasn't for Tiger it would have been a lot worse.  

 
Tiger gave way to a string of boring golfers that can't seem to string more than a year or two together before falling into mediocrity.  I don't think it's his fault that what followed his dominance was a bunch of white pants wearing golf robots.

 
I just as soon him never win another tourney.  That said, he's back.  He'll win one more major.

 
Stenson

Fleetwood

Day

I’d say those guys too most likely but it’s not obvious - I think somebody posted 50% top-12 in the events he’s played.  That’s pretty damn good.

 
The best golfer in the world right now, Francesco Molinari, is 25-1 to the win the PGA.  He played with Tiger in the final round of the Open and went out and won the jug while beating Tiger by 3 strokes.  The guy has lit golf on fire for 2 months now with a scoring average near 67 (may even be 66 - wow).

Tiger opens at 16-1.  lmao.  They can drop the odds insultingly low and people will stop throw heaps of cash on this guy.

 
zoonation said:
The best golfer in the world right now, Francesco Molinari, is 25-1 to the win the PGA.  He played with Tiger in the final round of the Open and went out and won the jug while beating Tiger by 3 strokes.  The guy has lit golf on fire for 2 months now with a scoring average near 67 (may even be 66 - wow).

Tiger opens at 16-1.  lmao.  They can drop the odds insultingly low and people will stop throw heaps of cash on this guy.
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"The best golfer in the world" who "lit golf on fire" and won the tourney, only beat Tiger by two strokes that day.  The point is, Tiger isn't as far off as people are making him out to be.  It's just a glaring failure when he doesn't win an open.  When Jordan or Rory or whomever doesn't win a major, people aren't out there freaking out about it.  You barely notice.  Tiger finishes 6th and it's like LOL LOOOOOSERRRR

Weird.

 
Otis said:
"The best golfer in the world" who "lit golf on fire" and won the tourney, only beat Tiger by two strokes that day.  The point is, Tiger isn't as far off as people are making him out to be.  It's just a glaring failure when he doesn't win an open.  When Jordan or Rory or whomever doesn't win a major, people aren't out there freaking out about it.  You barely notice.  Tiger finishes 6th and it's like LOL LOOOOOSERRRR

Weird.
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I will agree that Tiger is now one of the top 15 guys in the world and agree with your analysis.   After watching him barely be able to bend over at the waist last year I thought he was toast.  

What he has done this year is remarkable.  Truly. 

It remains to be seen if he can get back to the level where he can close out tourneys.  I think he will.  I wouldn’t bet against him winning another major.  

Our bet is on the shelf for the foreseeable future for sure.  No chance in hell he wins 5 majors going forward, but I wouldn’t be paying out #### right now if I was you.  

I want him to win another one.  The hysteria would be off the planet.  

And lol at some people questioning whether he gets picked to play in the Ryder cup team.   He likely won’t qualify top 8, but Furyk has his name pencilled in right now.  No brainer from every angle.  

 
zoonation said:
I will agree that Tiger is now one of the top 15 guys in the world and agree with your analysis.   After watching him barely be able to bend over at the waist last year I thought he was toast.  

What he has done this year is remarkable.  Truly. 

It remains to be seen if he can get back to the level where he can close out tourneys.  I think he will.  I wouldn’t bet against him winning another major.  

Our bet is on the shelf for the foreseeable future for sure.  No chance in hell he wins 5 majors going forward, but I wouldn’t be paying out #### right now if I was you.  

I want him to win another one.  The hysteria would be off the planet.  

And lol at some people questioning whether he gets picked to play in the Ryder cup team.   He likely won’t qualify top 8, but Furyk has his name pencilled in right now.  No brainer from every angle.  
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Wait, your bet was 5 MORE MAJORS??

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Wait, your bet was 5 MORE MAJORS??
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Yep. Tiger to break Jack’s record.  No deadline.  Basically a free bet for Oats. Pretty sure I was half cut.  But I’m still an idiot for not at least saying until he is 50 or something.  

Whatevs.  It was, and continues to be, fun.  It’s only a rack.  I’m a FBG.  I’ll blow that on gas for my boat rental this summer.   

The point is I’m the winner!

 
zoonation said:
Yep. Tiger to break Jack’s record.  No deadline.  Basically a free bet for Oats. Pretty sure I was half cut.  But I’m still an idiot for not at least saying until he is 50 or something.  

Whatevs.  It was, and continues to be, fun.  It’s only a rack.  I’m a FBG.  I’ll blow that on gas for my boat rental this summer.   

The point is I’m the winner!
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No doubt :lol:

 
Otis said:
"The best golfer in the world" who "lit golf on fire" and won the tourney, only beat Tiger by two strokes that day.  The point is, Tiger isn't as far off as people are making him out to be.  It's just a glaring failure when he doesn't win an open.  When Jordan or Rory or whomever doesn't win a major, people aren't out there freaking out about it.  You barely notice.  Tiger finishes 6th and it's like LOL LOOOOOSERRRR

Weird.
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:lmao:

YES!!!!!!!!  Drunk on a Tuesday way cooler than drunk on a Sunday. 

 
AAABatteries said:
I’d say those guys too most likely but it’s not obvious - I think somebody posted 50% top-12 in the events he’s played.  That’s pretty damn good.
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2,4,5,6,9,11,12 in 13 events.

Question is does he believe he can actually win?  So far it sure looks like it's in his head down the stretch when he's in contention.  And how long can he stay healthy?

 
Tiger in 2018...

11th in scoring average.

6th in total Strokes Gained. 

3rd in SG approach shots. 

6th SG tee-to-green. 

119th SG off the tee. 

 
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
So far it sure looks like it's in his head down the stretch when he's in contention.
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I see it the exact opposite. He’s staring the pressure down down the stretch as his confidence grows. Did a couple shots wrap around the hosel on the back 9? Yes. It happens. I don’t think five more Majors is 100% off the table. And I disagree that he can’t win another US Open or PGA. Why not?

 
Johnny Rock said:
I see it the exact opposite. He’s staring the pressure down down the stretch as his confidence grows. Did a couple shots wrap around the hosel on the back 9? Yes. It happens. I don’t think five more Majors is 100% off the table. And I disagree that he can’t win another US Open or PGA. Why not?
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5 more majors at 43 and healthy now?  Right.  And Rooney has Ferris right where he wants him...

 
It's pretty clearly unlikely that he wins five, but......

We have never seen a golfer with his talent.  Ever.  And while no one has ever won five at this age, no one has ever been Tiger before him.  And with the trainwrecks in his life, Elin, Vonn photo snafu exposing his driver, Perkins waitress, DUI, addiction, and countless back surgeries.  The sheer fact that he is competitive (not in the hunt lol) after everything he has went through the last few years is absolutely incredible.

I doubt he makes five, but I damn sure wouldn't bet against him getting at least one.  And that alone will be an incredible story.

 
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Johnny Rock said:
I see it the exact opposite. He’s staring the pressure down down the stretch as his confidence grows. Did a couple shots wrap around the hosel on the back 9? Yes. It happens. I don’t think five more Majors is 100% off the table. And I disagree that he can’t win another US Open or PGA. Why not?
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Wile E. Coyote.  Sooooooper genius.

 
Doug B said:
(Jack) Nicklaus won two majors in 1980, and then had a 2nd-place major finish in each of 1981, 1982, and 1983 -- with three more major top 10s scattered in their as well. He was just above average (18th-31th place) in all 1984 majors, and then finished 6th at the 1985 Masters. So ... when he won the Masters in 1986 -- which was kind of treated as some huge out of nowhere comeback -- Nicklaus had actually remained totally relevant at major tournaments between his 1980s major victories.

Between 1987 and 1998, Jack had three more Masters top 10s (his last one at age 58!), but was fading away in the other majors. His last major tournament in which he made the cur and finished all four rounds was in the 2000 Masters , at age 60.
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(I didn’t think this post was three years old)

Since we’re talking about PGA accomplishments at 40+, I thought I’d bump the post above. Nicklaus turned 40 on 1/21/1980.

 
Doug B said:
(I didn’t think this post was three years old)

Since we’re talking about PGA accomplishments at 40+, I thought I’d bump the post above. Nicklaus turned 40 on 1/21/1980.
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Different PGA tour these days, the irony of it all is that Tiger isn't going to take down Jack's major record because of how dominant a young Tiger was winning on tour. He spawned a whole generation of golfers under 30 that dedicated themselves to the game because they were inspired by Tiger's greatness. The tour is now deeper than ever with world class golfers and they all have as much if not more game than Tiger in his 40s.

 
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