timdraft #4: Movie Category Draft (2 Viewers)

[jwb]

Lame. Dumb. No documentaries in sports scenes IMO. If you decide to include them, I quit.

No, not really. Still lame but whatever.

Agreed

Can we get some arguments against? I don't care either way, but dumb or lame isn't a very compelling argument.

Well, seems that JML moved his pick already, so no issue then...

I tried. You're judging a sporting event, as it happened. Not a movie scene dipicting a sporting event (fictional or based on a real event.)

it just seems ridiculous.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

9.22 X2: X-Men United (Superhero film)

I can't believe this was still available.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Criteria for best sports scene:

Needs to be a real sport or real competition. I will allow most things that have a world championship, but it should include some degree of athleticism. I am not going to view a Poker World Championship favorably (we have the gambling category for that).

The scene need to fit in the context of the movie, a random event, no matter how awesome will be downgraded (so no reason to draft a scene where the lead actor watches a hockey game, by himself, if it doesn't fit in)

Realism is key. I doubt Shin-Yoo Koo hits a 4.25 mile homerun, or Lavarr Arrington has a 62 second hang time. I will allow a little artistic freedom, but not a lot.

Quality of the shot/scene. Is it well made, does it make me feel I'm there? Does it capture the feelings of the people that was there enough so that they are reliving the moment?

Cinematic quality. How well is the scene shot?

Positives: world wide appeal, because I want the movie to be a success in multiple markets (I will not put a number on how many countries or participants, PM with any questions)

Negatives: narrow local sports might get penalized (like caribou curling) unless the scene and movie is exceptional.

Documentaries are very much allowed, as there are many excellent examples. Documentaries are not eligible after discussions and butt hurt.

Dramatic films based on real events are good (not too many artistic freedoms please)

Scoring (1-10 scale):

How well does the scene fit in the movie?

Quality of the scene?

Realism? (-10 - 10 scale)

World Wide appeal? (-10 - 10 scale)

Cinematic quality?

Max points will be 50.

ETA: I intend to use resources online to quantify quality as much as possible.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Lame. Dumb. No documentaries in sports scenes IMO. If you decide to include them, I quit.

No, not really. Still lame but whatever.

Agreed

Can we get some arguments against? I don't care either way, but dumb or lame isn't a very compelling argument.

Well, seems that JML moved his pick already, so no issue then...

My objection is that the judging would be of an actual sport, rather than a movie scene.

Butt hurt?

 

[timschochet]

JML, if we decide that documentaries don't fit in sports scene, then they don't fit in ANY scene category. This is not a mulligan. If we're agreed on this, then pick again. Don't move the pick to romantic gesture, that's just dumb.

 

[charvik]

Lame. Dumb. No documentaries in sports scenes IMO. If you decide to include them, I quit.

No, not really. Still lame but whatever.

Agreed

Can we get some arguments against? I don't care either way, but dumb or lame isn't a very compelling argument.

Well, seems that JML moved his pick already, so no issue then...

I tried. You're judging a sporting event, as it happened. Not a movie scene dipicting a sporting event (fictional or based on a real event.)

it just seems ridiculous.

Thanks, that's a good point. But it doesn't matter anymore... removed now.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Lame. Dumb. No documentaries in sports scenes IMO. If you decide to include them, I quit.

No, not really. Still lame but whatever.

Agreed

Can we get some arguments against? I don't care either way, but dumb or lame isn't a very compelling argument.

Well, seems that JML moved his pick already, so no issue then...

I tried. You're judging a sporting event, as it happened. Not a movie scene dipicting a sporting event (fictional or based on a real event.)

it just seems ridiculous.

Doesn't really seem that hard to grasp.

He spelt depicting wrong.

The full stop after event is redundant.

He also didn't start the second line with a capital

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

JML, if we decide that documentaries don't fit in sports scene, then they don't fit in ANY scene category. This is not a mulligan. If we're agreed on this, then pick again. Don't move the pick to romantic gesture, that's just dumb.

I'm not picking again. You've made that rule very clear (and I don't want a special dispensation here).

I'll move it to Nazis then.

 

[charvik]

JML, if we decide that documentaries don't fit in sports scene, then they don't fit in ANY scene category. This is not a mulligan. If we're agreed on this, then pick again. Don't move the pick to romantic gesture, that's just dumb.

I'm not picking again. You've made that rule very clear (and I don't want a special dispensation here).

I'll move it to Nazis then.

Superheroes?

 

[timschochet]

Round 8

The Day of the Jackal - spy movie

Yet another movie I watched a long time ago and can't really remember the fine details, but I know I loved it. Amazon Video is going to get another $2.95 from me tomorrow.

Love this movie (and the novel as well), but I should point out that there's no spies involved in it.

 

[timschochet]

Round 8

The Day of the Jackal - spy movie

Yet another movie I watched a long time ago and can't really remember the fine details, but I know I loved it. Amazon Video is going to get another $2.95 from me tomorrow.

Also, just want to clarify that this is your round 9 pick

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

JML, if we decide that documentaries don't fit in sports scene, then they don't fit in ANY scene category. This is not a mulligan. If we're agreed on this, then pick again. Don't move the pick to romantic gesture, that's just dumb.

I'm not picking again. You've made that rule very clear (and I don't want a special dispensation here).

I'll move it to Nazis then.

Superheroes?

That might work better.

I'm examining Mobutu Sese Soko's anti-communism stance to see if can fit it better into Nazi though.

If it is tenuous, Super Hero is not the worst option, all things considered.

I'll sleep on it.

 

[timschochet]

JML, if we decide that documentaries don't fit in sports scene, then they don't fit in ANY scene category. This is not a mulligan. If we're agreed on this, then pick again. Don't move the pick to romantic gesture, that's just dumb.

I'm not picking again. You've made that rule very clear (and I don't want a special dispensation here).

I'll move it to Nazis then.

I think you enjoy playing the role of martyr. It's kind of silly, IMO.

You asked Charvik if documentaries were acceptable. He told you yes. Now we've decided to change the rule. That's not your fault. It's not a mulligan. Choose again.

If you refuse to choose again, then I say we leave Charvik's original criteria intact and allow for documentaries.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

JML, if we decide that documentaries don't fit in sports scene, then they don't fit in ANY scene category. This is not a mulligan. If we're agreed on this, then pick again. Don't move the pick to romantic gesture, that's just dumb.

I'm not picking again. You've made that rule very clear (and I don't want a special dispensation here).

I'll move it to Nazis then.

I think you enjoy playing the role of martyr. It's kind of silly, IMO.

You asked Charvik if documentaries were acceptable. He told you yes. Now we've decided to change the rule. That's not your fault. It's not a mulligan. Choose again.

If you refuse to choose again, then I say we leave Charvik's original criteria intact and allow for documentaries.

It's an online movie draft, I'm hardly Joan of Arc.

As you may have gathered, I'm very anal about rules (and stubborn) and will not pick again.

I'm fine with the criteria being changed to exclude documentaries and will accept my 1 there, which I ask strongly that charvik gives to me, or move the pick elsewhere within the confines of the draft rules at a time to be determined if I think of a sports scene more appropriate to the current rules.

End of the matter please.

 

[Mister CIA]

Round 8

The Day of the Jackal - spy movie

Yet another movie I watched a long time ago and can't really remember the fine details, but I know I loved it. Amazon Video is going to get another $2.95 from me tomorrow.

Love this movie (and the novel as well), but I should point out that there's no spies involved in it.

Round 8

The Day of the Jackal - spy movie

Yet another movie I watched a long time ago and can't really remember the fine details, but I know I loved it. Amazon Video is going to get another $2.95 from me tomorrow.

Love this movie (and the novel as well), but I should point out that there's no spies involved in it.

Pretty sure he did not google "how do I kill Charles de Gaulle."

Sometimes things are implied, and that's all we get.

 

[Mister CIA]

Round 8

The Day of the Jackal - spy movie

Yet another movie I watched a long time ago and can't really remember the fine details, but I know I loved it. Amazon Video is going to get another $2.95 from me tomorrow.

Love this movie (and the novel as well), but I should point out that there's no spies involved in it.

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Round 8

The Day of the Jackal - spy movie

Yet another movie I watched a long time ago and can't really remember the fine details, but I know I loved it. Amazon Video is going to get another $2.95 from me tomorrow.

Love this movie (and the novel as well), but I should point out that there's no spies involved in it.

Pretty sure he did not google "how do I kill Charles de Gaulle."

Sometimes things are implied, and that's all we get.

Apparently I clicked on the MultiQuote button.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Pretty sure he did not google "how do I kill Charles de Gaulle."

But that makes him an assassin, not a spy.

 

[Tiananmen Tank]

9.22 X2: X-Men United (Superhero film)

I can't believe this was still available.

It was going to be my next pick.

I think X2 gets shortchanged because of how ridiculously bad X3 turned out. Like, X3 was so much of a disaster that its miserableness couldn't be contained within one film and the remainder spilled over into X2 retroactively. The Nolan Batman trilogy turning out so well kind of diminishes it as well. Dark Knight was definitely better than it, but I would take X2 over Begins and Rises without hesitation. But again, X3 being so bad (and X-Men being kind of 'meh') doesn't do X2 any favors as time goes on. Marvel and Sony splitting the Marvel Universe also hurts.

So when you look at modern comic book franchises, there's Nolanverse Batman (top of the heap), the Avenger's films (a distinct flavor of crossover awesome), and Rami's Spider-Man trilogy (the first). You have a whole lot of really memorable, really bad franchise attempts as well. And then there's X-Men, which is middling about in mediocrity with two good-to-great films (X2, First Class), one alright film (X-Men), an outright disaster (X3), and a pretty bad spinoff (Wolverine, although the sequel looks alright). In a lot of ways it mirrors how the X-Men franchise has been handled in comics over the same period of time. For every New X-Men or Dark Angel Saga we've gotten a [anything dealing with Hope].

 

[timschochet]

Whatever. Since JML refuses to re-pick, and Charvik is the judge and gave him the OK, we can't change the rule. Documentaries are OK for sports scenes. That's the end of the matter.

 

[Mister CIA]

Pretty sure he did not google "how do I kill Charles de Gaulle."

But that makes him an assassin, not a spy.

Pretty sure an assassin's last words before pulling a trigger are "I spy."

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Whatever. Since JML refuses to re-pick, and Charvik is the judge and gave him the OK, we can't change the rule. Documentaries are OK for sports scenes. That's the end of the matter.

Now who's playing the martyr?

Charvik has voluntarily changed his criteria.

At last report documentaries are not eligible for sports scene.

I'm fine with it. Really.

 

[timschochet]

Round 8

The Day of the Jackal - spy movie

Yet another movie I watched a long time ago and can't really remember the fine details, but I know I loved it. Amazon Video is going to get another $2.95 from me tomorrow.

Love this movie (and the novel as well), but I should point out that there's no spies involved in it.

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Round 8

The Day of the Jackal - spy movie

Yet another movie I watched a long time ago and can't really remember the fine details, but I know I loved it. Amazon Video is going to get another $2.95 from me tomorrow.

Love this movie (and the novel as well), but I should point out that there's no spies involved in it.

Pretty sure he did not google "how do I kill Charles de Gaulle."

Sometimes things are implied, and that's all we get.

The Jackal was not a spy. He was a paid assassin. He didn't attempt to kill De Gaulle for political reasons; he did it for money.

 

[timschochet]

Whatever. Since JML refuses to re-pick, and Charvik is the judge and gave him the OK, we can't change the rule. Documentaries are OK for sports scenes. That's the end of the matter.

Now who's playing the martyr?

Charvik has voluntarily changed his criteria.

At last report documentaries are not eligible for sports scene.

I'm fine with it. Really.

It doesn't matter if you're fine with it. The only way Charvik is allowed to change the rule is if you re-pick. If you refuse to re-pick, he can't change the rule.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Whatever. Since JML refuses to re-pick, and Charvik is the judge and gave him the OK, we can't change the rule. Documentaries are OK for sports scenes. That's the end of the matter.

Now who's playing the martyr?

Charvik has voluntarily changed his criteria.

At last report documentaries are not eligible for sports scene.

I'm fine with it. Really.

It doesn't matter if you're fine with it. The only way Charvik is allowed to change the rule is if you re-pick. If you refuse to re-pick, he can't change the rule.

What kind of logic is that?

I can move the pick and solve the problem, no?

Whatever.

Sports Scene

Time for a Bollywood cricket scene.

8.05 - Lagaan (Once Upon a Time in India) - When Bhuvan strikes the final ball (Is it Out?) and the fate of his village rests on the result of the hit.

The scene I have selected is at the 3 hour and 32 minute mark and goes until 3 hours and 34 minutes and 31 seconds

On the third and final day, Bhuvan passes his century, while most of the later wickets fall. Ismail returns to bat with the help of a runner and passes his half-century, reducing the required runs to a gettable total. The game comes down to the last over with Kachra on strike. With one ball remaining and the team down 5 runs, Kachra knocks the ball a short distance, managing only a single. However, the umpire signals no ball and Bhuvan returns to bat, and swings extremely hard at the next ball.

 

[charvik]

Whatever. Since JML refuses to re-pick, and Charvik is the judge and gave him the OK, we can't change the rule. Documentaries are OK for sports scenes. That's the end of the matter.

Now who's playing the martyr?

Charvik has voluntarily changed his criteria.

At last report documentaries are not eligible for sports scene.

I'm fine with it. Really.

It doesn't matter if you're fine with it. The only way Charvik is allowed to change the rule is if you re-pick. If you refuse to re-pick, he can't change the rule.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

at "End of the matter"

 

[charvik]

Whatever. Since JML refuses to re-pick, and Charvik is the judge and gave him the OK, we can't change the rule. Documentaries are OK for sports scenes. That's the end of the matter.

Now who's playing the martyr?

Charvik has voluntarily changed his criteria.

At last report documentaries are not eligible for sports scene.

I'm fine with it. Really.

It doesn't matter if you're fine with it. The only way Charvik is allowed to change the rule is if you re-pick. If you refuse to re-pick, he can't change the rule.

What kind of logic is that?

I can move the pick and solve the problem, no?

Whatever.

Sports Scene

Time for a Bollywood cricket scene.

8.05 - Lagaan (Once Upon a Time in India) - When Bhuvan strikes the final ball (Is it Out?) and the fate of his village rests on the result of the hit.

The scene I have selected is at the 3 hour and 32 minute mark and goes until 3 hours and 34 minutes and 31 seconds

>On the third and final day, Bhuvan passes his century, while most of the later wickets fall. Ismail returns to bat with the help of a runner and passes his half-century, reducing the required runs to a gettable total. The game comes down to the last over with Kachra on strike. With one ball remaining and the team down 5 runs, Kachra knocks the ball a short distance, managing only a single. However, the umpire signals no ball and Bhuvan returns to bat, and swings extremely hard at the next ball.

Haven't seen this in years.

 

[jwb]

Lame. Dumb. No documentaries in sports scenes IMO. If you decide to include them, I quit.

No, not really. Still lame but whatever.

Agreed

Can we get some arguments against? I don't care either way, but dumb or lame isn't a very compelling argument.

Well, seems that JML moved his pick already, so no issue then...

I tried. You're judging a sporting event, as it happened. Not a movie scene dipicting a sporting event (fictional or based on a real event.)

it just seems ridiculous.

Doesn't really seem that hard to grasp.

He spelt depicting wrong.

The full stop after event is redundant.

He also didn't start the second line with a capital

would you believe I'm a writer?

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

NOW it feels like a Tim Draft.

 

[Tiananmen Tank]

Whatever. Since JML refuses to re-pick, and Charvik is the judge and gave him the OK, we can't change the rule. Documentaries are OK for sports scenes. That's the end of the matter.

Now who's playing the martyr?

Charvik has voluntarily changed his criteria.

At last report documentaries are not eligible for sports scene.

I'm fine with it. Really.

It doesn't matter if you're fine with it. The only way Charvik is allowed to change the rule is if you re-pick. If you refuse to re-pick, he can't change the rule.

What kind of logic is that?

I can move the pick and solve the problem, no?

Whatever.

Sports Scene

Time for a Bollywood cricket scene.

8.05 - Lagaan (Once Upon a Time in India) - When Bhuvan strikes the final ball (Is it Out?) and the fate of his village rests on the result of the hit.

The scene I have selected is at the 3 hour and 32 minute mark and goes until 3 hours and 34 minutes and 31 seconds

>>>>On the third and final day, Bhuvan passes his century, while most of the later wickets fall. Ismail returns to bat with the help of a runner and passes his half-century, reducing the required runs to a gettable total. The game comes down to the last over with Kachra on strike. With one ball remaining and the team down 5 runs, Kachra knocks the ball a short distance, managing only a single. However, the umpire signals no ball and Bhuvan returns to bat, and swings extremely hard at the next ball.

Lagaan was the first Bollywood movie I ever saw, and is still the only good one I've seen. It took a lot of convincing from an Bengali friend, but I'm glad I gave in. Movie was great and this pick is great. Better than the documentary, I think.

 

[BobbyLayne]

NOW it feels like a Tim Draft.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

JML totally should have moved that pick to portrayal of real/historical person. That #### was spot on.

 

[AcerFC]

5. Doug B- The Crow

6. Val Rannous - Downey Jr as Chaplin

7. Aerial Assault- serpico

8. hooter311- Even dwarfs start small

9. higgins- Let it Ride

10. Karma Police- starship troopers

11. timschochet- Peter O Toole

12. Tish155 Ghostbusters

13. BobbyLayne- ET dies

14. Nick Vermeil- rope

15. Tiannamen Tank- up

16. Joffer- 3 days of the condor

17. krista4- living in oblivion

18. Mrs. Rannous- shaft

19. jwb- el topo

20. Dr. Octopus- Munich

21. John Madden's Lunchbox- the untouchables

22. Kumerica- X2

23. Tremendous Upside- - OTC til 11:00 est Monday

24. AcerFC-on deck

25. Usual21 in the hole

 

[Dr. Octopus]

9.22 X2: X-Men United (Superhero film)

Just noticed and was very surprised that this one had not been picked.

I was going to take X2 this round since its my second favorite movie (and series) in the category, but oh well guess by allowing myself to be skipped I lose. I'll live to fight on though, just have to be more creative now.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

9.20 Munich - Spy Movie

 

[Kumerica]

If my turn comes round today, go ahead and skip me. I'll be back in the evening to pick.

 

[krista4]

Whatever. Since JML refuses to re-pick, and Charvik is the judge and gave him the OK, we can't change the rule. Documentaries are OK for sports scenes. That's the end of the matter.

Now who's playing the martyr?Charvik has voluntarily changed his criteria.

At last report documentaries are not eligible for sports scene.

I'm fine with it. Really.

It doesn't matter if you're fine with it. The only way Charvik is allowed to change the rule is if you re-pick. If you refuse to re-pick, he can't change the rule.

What kind of logic is that?I can move the pick and solve the problem, no?

Whatever.

Sports Scene

Time for a Bollywood cricket scene.

8.05 - Lagaan (Once Upon a Time in India) - When Bhuvan strikes the final ball (Is it Out?) and the fate of his village rests on the result of the hit.

The scene I have selected is at the 3 hour and 32 minute mark and goes until 3 hours and 34 minutes and 31 seconds

On the third and final day, Bhuvan passes his century, while most of the later wickets fall. Ismail returns to bat with the help of a runner and passes his half-century, reducing the required runs to a gettable total. The game comes down to the last over with Kachra on strike. With one ball remaining and the team down 5 runs, Kachra knocks the ball a short distance, managing only a single. However, the umpire signals no ball and Bhuvan returns to bat, and swings extremely hard at the next ball.

There goes my dance scene. :( Love this movie.

 

[krista4]

JML totally should have moved that pick to portrayal of real/historical person. That #### was spot on.

 

[BobbyLayne]

JML totally should have moved that pick to portrayal of real/historical person. That #### was spot on.

From the Historical/Real Portrayal judge:I'm at an event all day so I don't know where we're @ with documentary eligibility. My thought is that's not a portrayal, 1 point.

 

[krista4]

JML totally should have moved that pick to portrayal of real/historical person. That #### was spot on.

From the Historical/Real Portrayal judge:I'm at an event all day so I don't know where we're @ with documentary eligibility. My thought is that's not a portrayal, 1 point.

Again I was sure Nick was joking.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

JML totally should have moved that pick to portrayal of real/historical person. That #### was spot on.

From the Historical/Real Portrayal judge:I'm at an event all day so I don't know where we're @ with documentary eligibility. My thought is that's not a portrayal, 1 point.

Again I was sure Nick was joking.

:seriousbusiness:

 

[BobbyLayne]

JML totally should have moved that pick to portrayal of real/historical person. That #### was spot on.

From the Historical/Real Portrayal judge:I'm at an event all day so I don't know where we're @ with documentary eligibility. My thought is that's not a portrayal, 1 point.

Again I was sure Nick was joking.

Itwas a drive by I'm in a chaotic environment over here

 

[Tremendous Upside]

9.23 Irreversible, Shocking Scene

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2048423/monica_bellucci_in_irreversible_rape_scene/

The most difficult scene to sit through I have ever experienced in a theater

The late Roger Ebert described it best:

"The fact is, the reverse chronology makes Irreversible a film that structurally argues against rape and violence, while ordinary chronology would lead us down a seductive narrative path toward a shocking, exploitative payoff. By placing the ugliness at the beginning, Gaspar Noe forces us to think seriously about the sexual violence involved. The movie does not end with rape as its climax and send us out of the theater as if something had been communicated. It starts with it, and asks us to sit there for another hour and process our thoughts. It is therefore moral - at a structural level."

 

[AcerFC]

9.24 American Beauty, not sure yet

 

[AcerFC]

PM going to Usual

 

[ScottNorwood]

9.24 American Beauty, not sure yet

You need to declare a category NO EXCEPTIONS

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

9.24 American Beauty, not sure yet

You need to declare a category NO EXCEPTIONS

IT'S THE RULE!

(We should put it in Best Parent.)

 

[Usual21]

9.25 -


, Rock N RollPhenomenal documentary on the famous Sound City Recording Studio in L.A.

 

[AcerFC]

What rule is this. I thought we were allowed to change categories.

 

[AcerFC]

10.02 North by Northwest, Spies