timdraft #4: Movie Category Draft (4 Viewers)

[AcerFC]

Round 18

1. Usual21- Argo

2. AcerFC- Rocky Horror Picture show

3. Tremendous Upside- autoskip

4. Kumerica- Equalibrium

5. John Madden's Lunchbox- autoskip

6. Dr. Octopus- Fletch

7. jwb- Jailhouse rock

8. Mrs. Rannous- Dust to dawn

9. krista4- Amour

10. joffer- autoskip

11. Tiannamen Tank-Marathon Man

12. Nick Vermiel- sky high

13. BobbyLayne-autoskip

14. tish155-Go

15. timschochet-OTC til 4:32 est

16. Karma Police- On Deck

17. higgins- In the Hole

18. hooter311

19. Aerial Assault- autoskip

20. Val Rannous

21. Doug b- autoskip

22. Time Kibitzer

23. Andy Dufrense- autoskip

24. Mister CIA- autoskip

25. Rikishi- autoskip

 

[Dr. Octopus]

18.11 Marathon Man (Nazi)

Die Weisse Engel.

 

[AcerFC]

Sorry, on my iPad and don't have colors. I haven't memorized the red tags

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Sorry, on my iPad and don't have colors. I haven't memorized the red tags

We'll live - thanks for the hard work.

 

[timschochet]

18.11 Marathon Man (Nazi)

Now we're talking. Outstanding film.

 

[timschochet]

Courtney Love as Althea Flynt in The People vs. Larry Flynt- Real person

This remains, IMO, a very deep category, and I probably could have waited until much later. But I wanted this pick. There are few performances that stick with me throughout the years, and this is one of them. I know, I get it, that she was made for this role, and that a lot of it was playing herself. But it was still a great and incredibly memorable performance.

 

[AcerFC]

18.11 Marathon Man (Nazi)

Now we're talking. Outstanding film.

wheni think of this movie, I think of dentists, not nazis

 

[timschochet]

18.11 Marathon Man (Nazi)

Now we're talking. Outstanding film.

wheni think of this movie, I think of dentists, not nazis

It's a Nazi dentist.

 

[KarmaPolice]

#### it, my draft needs more movie goodness, and it definitely could use some more Arnold. I am going to move Notorious into the Nazi category, and take:

18.16: True Lies (spies)

 

[Tiananmen Tank]

#### it, my draft needs more movie goodness, and it definitely could use some more Arnold. I am going to move Notorious into the Nazi category, and take:

18.16: True Lies (spies)

This could also have worked in Adultery, I think. Right?

 

[jwb]

#### it, my draft needs more movie goodness, and it definitely could use some more Arnold. I am going to move Notorious into the Nazi category, and take:

18.16: True Lies (spies)

This could also have worked in Adultery, I think. Right?

Or romantic gesture.

 

[KarmaPolice]

#### it, my draft needs more movie goodness, and it definitely could use some more Arnold. I am going to move Notorious into the Nazi category, and take:

18.16: True Lies (spies)

This could also have worked in Adultery, I think. Right?

"The vette gets them wet" Love Paxton in this movie.

It was on my list as a possibility for dance scene too.

 

[higgins]

Triumph of the Spirit is a 1989 American film directed by Robert M. Young and starring Willem Dafoe and Edward James Olmos. The majority of the film is set in the death camp at Auschwitz during the Holocaust and details how the Jewish boxer Salamo Arouch was forced to fight other internees to the death for the SS guards' entertainment. Prior to Triumph of the Spirit, no major feature film had ever been shot on location at Auschwitz.

… scrutiny of the movie reveals that it is not about the triumph of the spirit but rather about 'choiceless choices', to use Lawrence Langer's term for the dilemma faced by death camp inmates, who were never offered any moral alternatives to prolong their survival." Baron suggests that this message is crystallized in one scene where Arouch is set to fight his best friend Jacko, who has already been beaten by the guards, knowing that the loser will be consigned to the gas chamber; when he balks, his friend is executed on the spot.

 

[KarmaPolice]

17.19 - Solaris (1972) - Outer Space Movie

Maybe it'll fare better in this movie draft than the last one. The isolation of deep space is definitely one of the keys in this movie - hopefully the judge got through the car going through the tunnel.

It was down to this and Starship Troopers for me. Good pick!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

#### it, my draft needs more movie goodness, and it definitely could use some more Arnold. I am going to move Notorious into the Nazi category, and take:

18.16: True Lies (spies)

This could also have worked in Adultery, I think. Right?

I think adultery was considered but never acted upon. Don't remember much of the movie other than Arnold riding a horse through the mall chasing a villian on a motorcyle.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I don't envy the judges in this draft.

After a very brief scan of the lists, I really feel for BL. That Real/Historical person category is loaded with fantastic picks!

 

[KarmaPolice]

#### it, my draft needs more movie goodness, and it definitely could use some more Arnold. I am going to move Notorious into the Nazi category, and take:

18.16: True Lies (spies)

This could also have worked in Adultery, I think. Right?

I think adultery was considered but never acted upon. Don't remember much of the movie other than Arnold riding a horse through the mall chasing a villian on a motorcyle.

Thanks for the reminder that I could move this to vehicle chase category too.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Actually surprised this is still out there.

18.13 - Movies No idea what this movie is about - Brazil

 

[hooter311]

18.18: The Fifth Element- Space

 

[AcerFC]

Mrs R never sent me a pick for Val today. I'll PM her but she says she doesn't get PMs. Might be a time out here

 

[BobbyLayne]

I don't envy the judges in this draft.

After a very brief scan of the lists, I really feel for BL. That Real/Historical person category is loaded with fantastic picks!

This up to date?

best portrayal of a real/historical person

1. Ben Kingsley as Gandhi

2. Robert DeNiro as Jake LaMotta

3. Daniel Day Lewis as Lincoln

4. Philip Seymour Hoffman as Capote

5. Helen Mirren as The Queen

6. Forest Whitaker as Idi Amin

7. Peter O' Toole as Lawrence of Arabia

8. Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles

9. Eric Bana as Mark "Chopper" Read

10. Robert Downey Jr. as Charlie Chaplin

11. Daniel Day Lewis as Christy Brown

12. Paul Giamatti as Harvey Pekar

13. Leonardo DiCaprio as Howard Hughes

14. Denzel Washington as Malcolm X

15. Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison

16. David Straithairn as Edward R. Murrow

17. Hillary Swank as Brandon Teena

Should be interesting. The rule knocked a couple good ones out. Few still out there that I'm surprised haven't been picked yet.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

18.02 Time Warp Dance Sequence, Rocky Horror Picture Show

Val just yelled a really bad word. I am now partially deaf in one ear.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Mrs R never sent me a pick for Val today. I'll PM her but she says she doesn't get PMs. Might be a time out here

Val is here today and cursing about the sniping. He's working on his pick.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Actually surprised this is still out there.

18.13 - Movies No idea what this movie is about - Brazil

I thought about it, but the problem is I love and understand this movie.

I know there are many different cuts of this film though and seeing the wrong one could be crucial.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I'll make my picks in the next 24-60 hours when I return home

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

How do I hide spoilers? I want to do my write-up without ruining a movie.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

For Val:

18.20 - Streets of Fire - Rock and Roll Movie

Lots of music and Willem Dafoe. What could be better?

Oh yeah. Diane Lane.

 

[AcerFC]

How do I hide spoilers? I want to do my write-up without ruining a movie.

Spoiler

[/spoilerAnd close it with ]

 

[hooter311]

For Val:

18.20 - Streets of Fire - Rock and Roll Movie

Lots of music and Willem Dafoe. What could be better?

Oh yeah. Diane Lane.

New Rule: You can't mention Streets of Fire without also mentioning that there is a sledgehammer fight in it.

 

[AcerFC]

For Val: 18.20 - Streets of Fire - Rock and Roll Movie Lots of music and Willem Dafoe. What could be better? Oh yeah. Diane Lane.

New Rule: You can't mention Streets of Fire without also mentioning that there is a sledgehammer fight in it.

check your messages

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Thanks to Acer, here's my pick write-up:

18.8 - From Dusk til Dawn - Shocking scene

Like Krista said, if you haven't seen this movie and are planning to, don't read the spoiler.

Spoiler

Those people in the T###y Twister are all Vampires.

None of these clips are safe for work. REALLY not safe for work.

Some of the spoiler

, or monologue.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I think I'm up?

18.22 - Craps scene in Hard Eight - Gambling Scene

from another great PT Anderson film.

 

[timschochet]

first page updated

 

[AcerFC]

I think I'm up?

18.22 - Craps scene in Hard Eight - Gambling Scene

you are up again

 

[Doug B]

This up to date?

best portrayal of a real/historical person

1. Ben Kingsley as Gandhi

2. Robert DeNiro as Jake LaMotta

3. Daniel Day Lewis as Lincoln

4. Philip Seymour Hoffman as Capote

5. Helen Mirren as The Queen

6. Forest Whitaker as Idi Amin

7. Peter O' Toole as Lawrence of Arabia

8. Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles

9. Eric Bana as Mark "Chopper" Read

10. Robert Downey Jr. as Charlie Chaplin

11. Daniel Day Lewis as Christy Brown

12. Paul Giamatti as Harvey Pekar

13. Leonardo DiCaprio as Howard Hughes

14. Denzel Washington as Malcolm X

15. Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison

16. David Straithairn as Edward R. Murrow

17. Hillary Swank as Brandon Teena

Tim, up in post #2756, just picked Courtney Love as Althea Flynt in The People Vs. Larry Flynt. He just updated the front page, so he may have it there now.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Courtney Love as Althea Flynt in The People vs. Larry Flynt- Real person This remains, IMO, a very deep category, and I probably could have waited until much later. But I wanted this pick. There are few performances that stick with me throughout the years, and this is one of them. I know, I get it, that she was made for this role, and that a lot of it was playing herself. But it was still a great and incredibly memorable performance.

This is a lock for lowest score in the category

 

[ScottNorwood]

Actually surprised this is still out there.

18.13 - Movies No idea what this movie is about - Brazil

So you're starting to take Uncle Norwood's advice

 

[Doug B]

18.21:


, from 1988's Talk Radio (Best Monologue)There is a little more to this monologue than what's shown in the link. The first twenty seconds or so are cut off, but Champlain (Eric Bogosian) was just warming up in the beginning. The maniacal off-the-rails stuff is included, complete with Bogosian's straight-from-the-psych-ward facial tics. Full text of this monologue is given in the spoiler box below for brevity (red text shown below is excluded from link):

Spoiler

Believe it or not, you make perfect sense to me. I should hang. I'm a hypocrite. I ask for sincerity and I lie. I denounce the system as I embrace it. I want money and power and prestige. I want ratings and success. I don't give a damn about you or the world. That's the truth. For this I could say I'm sorry, but I won't. Why should I? I mean, who the hell are you anyways, you - audience! You're on me every night like a pack of wolves because you can't stand facing what you are and what you've made! Yes, the world is a terrible place. Yes, cancer and garbage disposals will get you. Yes, a war is coming. Yes, the world is shot to hell and you're all goners! Everything's screwed up and you like it that way, don't you!

You're fascinated by the gory details! You're mesmerized by your own fear. You revel in floods, car accidents, unstoppable diseases. You're happiest when others are in pain.That's where I come in, isn't it? I'm here to lead you by the hand through the dark forest of your own hatred and anger and humiliation!

I'm providing a public service. You're so scared. You're like a little child under the covers. You're afraid of the bogeyman, but you can't live without him. Your fear, your own lives, have become your entertainment. Next month, millions of people are gonna be listening to this show, and you have nothing to talk about! Marvelous technology is at our disposal. Instead of reaching up to new heights, we're gonna see how far down we can go. How deep into the muck we can immerse ourselves!

What do you wanna talk about, hmm? Baseball scores? Your pet? Orgasms? You're pathetic. I despise each and every one of you. You got nothin', absolutely nothin'. No brains, no power, no future. No hope. No God. The only thing you believe in is me. What are you if you don't have me?

I'm not afraid, see? I come in every night, I make my case, I make my point, I say what I believe in! I tell you what you are. I have to. I have no choice. You frighten me. I come here every night, I tear into you, I abuse you, I insult you, and you just keep coming back for more. What's wrong with you? Why do you keep calling? I don't wanna hear anymore. STOP TALKING! GO AWAY!

You're a bunch of yellow-bellied, spineless, bigoted, quivering, drunken, insomniatic, paranoid, disgusting, perverted, voyeuristic, little obscene phone callers. That's what you are. Well, to hell with you. I don't need your fear and your stupidity. You don't get it. It's wasted on you. Pearls before swine. If one person out there had any idea what I'm talking about, I ...

Fred, you're on NightTalk!

Love how he recovers back into lucidity at the very end. Ever the professional.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This up to date?

best portrayal of a real/historical person1. Ben Kingsley as Gandhi2. Robert DeNiro as Jake LaMotta3. Daniel Day Lewis as Lincoln4. Philip Seymour Hoffman as Capote5. Helen Mirren as The Queen6. Forest Whitaker as Idi Amin7. Peter O' Toole as Lawrence of Arabia8. Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles9. Eric Bana as Mark "Chopper" Read10. Robert Downey Jr. as Charlie Chaplin11. Daniel Day Lewis as Christy Brown12. Paul Giamatti as Harvey Pekar13. Leonardo DiCaprio as Howard Hughes14. Denzel Washington as Malcolm X15. Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison16. David Straithairn as Edward R. Murrow17. Hillary Swank as Brandon Teena

Tim, up in post #2756, just picked Courtney Love as Althea Flynt in The People Vs. Larry Flynt. He just updated the front page, so he may have it there now.

Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday is also missing.

 

[AcerFC]

Round 18

1. Usual21- Argo

2. AcerFC- Rocky Horror Picture show

3. Tremendous Upside- autoskip

4. Kumerica- Equalibrium

5. John Madden's Lunchbox- autoskip

6. Dr. Octopus- Fletch

7. jwb- Jailhouse rock

8. Mrs. Rannous- Dust to dawn

9. krista4- Amour

10. joffer- autoskip

11. Tiannamen Tank-Marathon Man

12. Nick Vermiel- sky high

13. BobbyLayne-Brazil

14. tish155-Go

15. timschochet- people vs Larry flint

16. Karma Police- True Lies

17. higgins- Triumph of the spirit

18. hooter311- 5th element

19. Aerial Assault- autoskip

20. Val Rannous- streets of fire

21. Doug b- talk radio

22. Time Kibitzer- hard eight

23. Andy Dufrense- autoskip

24. Mister CIA- autoskip

25. Rikishi- autoskip

 

[AcerFC]

Round 19

1. rikishiboy- autoskip

2. Mister CIA- autoskip

3. Andy Dufresne autoskip

4. Time Kibitzer- OTC til Monday

5. Doug B autoskip

6. Val Rannous- on deck

7. Aerial Assault autoskip

8. hooter311- in the hole

9. higgins

10. Karma Police

11. timschochet

12. Tish155

13. BobbyLayne autoskip

14. Nick Vermeil

15. Tiannamen Tank

16. Joffer autoskip

17. krista4

18. Mrs. Rannous

19. jwb

20. Dr. Octopus

21. John Madden's Lunchbox autoskip

22. Kumerica

23. Tremendous Upside autoskip

24. AcerFC

25. Usual21

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I think I'm up?

18.22 - Craps scene in Hard Eight - Gambling Scene

Sorry, I can be skipped at the moment, will make my pick in the next half hour or so.

 

[timschochet]

Courtney Love as Althea Flynt in The People vs. Larry Flynt- Real person This remains, IMO, a very deep category, and I probably could have waited until much later. But I wanted this pick. There are few performances that stick with me throughout the years, and this is one of them. I know, I get it, that she was made for this role, and that a lot of it was playing herself. But it was still a great and incredibly memorable performance.

This is a lock for lowest score in the category

Althea says #### you.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

19.04 - Cuckoo Clock speech in The Third Man - Monologue

Will post a youtube link later.

 

[joffer]

18.06 "How 'bout Fletch?" (Fletch) - Dream Sequence

Mother####ing #### ####. Waited one round too long

 

[joffer]

I'm off autoskip

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm off autoskip

#off #auto #skip

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Could someone post Aerial Assaults courtroom criteria? On my phone.

TIA

 

[joffer]

Could someone post Aerial Assaults courtroom criteria? On my phone. TIA

1. Funny scenes with Joe Pesci and Marisa TomeiEverything else

 

[AcerFC]

COURTROOM SCENE JUDGING CRITERIA

Now this will be really fun.

- I don't expect everyone to be boning up on the Federal Rules of Evidence here and it's not like I've argued in front of the SCOTUS 20 times or even once. However, scenes that are somewhat grounded in realism (from the perspective of anyone who's ever been in a courtroom, which I figure most people have in one form or another, even just to argue a traffic ticket) will score highly. Realism means (for example) that witnesses are not being cross-examined to (literal) death on the stand; the judge is not interjecting with jokes; counsel are not screaming long monologues at one another while the judge haplessly bangs a gavel; and no one is breaking into song, firing a weapon, etc., to interrupt the proceedings.

- However, dramatic license is still cool. Since it's already been selected, I can mention that there are a few things about Cruise's final interrogation of Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" that are not terribly realistic from a litigation standpoint, but nothing is over the top ridiculous or stupid in a "that would never happen" sort of sense.

- Top scores in the category will go to anyone who can find a scene that is tight, realistic, and well-written. For example, again using "A Few Good Men" as an example, one of the most clever courtroom sequences in that movie only lasts a few seconds and is a bit of a throwaway, but it's awesome because it could actually happen. This is when Cruise takes the Marine Corps manual right out of Bacon's hand after direct and cross-examines Noah Wyle by asking Wyle to show him, using the manual, where the mess hall at Gitmo is located. I've actually seen something like that happen, just as fast and unscripted, and it was frigging brilliant. Anyway, anyone who actually breaks down a courtroom scene and unearths some gem like that will score really high marks, but honestly, just saying the name of the movie and linking the specific scene is fine too. ("A Few Good Men" will score highly unless some people really step up to the plate and knock it down.)

- The entire movie does not have to take place in a courtroom or revolve around the courtroom proceedings, but if the courtroom scene(s) is/are not the central focus of the movie, there could be trouble unless the courtroom scene is well done.

- Finally, reference to TV Land might help, and it won't offer any spoilers. "L.A. Law" had fantastic courtroom scenes on a regular basis. "Law & Order" featured mostly very good courtroom scenes. "The Good Wife" (yeah, I'm forced to watch it) has, for the most part, atrocious courtroom scenes. Just throwing that out there.

PM me with questions or bribes.