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timdraft #4: Movie Category Draft (1 Viewer)

3. The Dark Knight (2008)

Apologies to anyone and everyone who thought this should have been the 25-pointer, but . . . well, it’s the 23-pointer, dammit, and a scatterplot of my rankings would reveal just how incredibly thin the margin was between the three, so it’s not like I’m slighting TDR much at all. In the spirit of full disclosure, Batman Begins is not only my favorite superhero film of all time, it’s in my top 10 to 15 favorite films of all time, and that would have been a slam-dunk 25-pointer for me. The sequel is grander, more ambitious, and more complex in its plot and ideas, with the advantage of an established universe to work with, and it’s a very, very good movie.

TYPE OF SUPERHERO: Non-Superpowered Martial Artist or Combatant in Peak Physical Condition

THUMBS UP: The action scenes are often brilliant, and the world of Gotham City is constructed almost flawlessly, so that you actually believe in the mythical megalopolis and care about its residents. The Hong Kong sequence, shot using then-early IMAX technology, is simply awesome. The supporting cast is stellar (in stark contrast to their usage in the Batman of 1989), Christian Bale turns in his usual A to A+ performance even if I wish the script had called for him to be less subdued, and Heath Ledger’s turn as the Joker is one of the best acting jobs I’ve ever seen in any film, not just a superhero film. Set design and cinematography are first-rate. And then there’s the film’s plot and its underlying themes, which explore very dark and complex concepts in an accessible way: the most interesting to me are the Joker’s social experiments and Batman’s use of police-state-style surveillance technology (presaging co-writer Jonathan Nolan’s creation of Person of Interest for CBS). This is intelligent scriptwriting and filmmaking at its finest.

THUMBS DOWN: The criticisms here are fairly minor. Because of the sheer strength of Ledger’s performance, Batman repeats his pattern of playing second fiddle to the Joker on the big screen about every twenty years, but that isn’t really anyone’s fault, certainly not Bale’s. I also found the inclusion of Two-Face (never my favorite Batman villain, and now I can’t get the repellent Jim Carrey-Tommy Lee Jones mutual mugging sessions from Batman Forever out of my head) largely unnecessary. The Joker was quite enough villain for the piece, thanks very much, and Dent’s transformation into Two-Face could have been eliminated, although admittedly that would have damaged at least two of the central themes of the film and made the ending more difficult to achieve. The sudden transformation of Rachel from Katie Holmes into Maggie Gyllenhaal was jarring, although again, this was no one’s fault, and I thought MG was terrific. Incidentally, that reminds me of one of the largest plot holes of any film on this list (adjusted relative to the films’ quality), which I have never seen satisfactorily explained: what happens to the guests at the charity benefit (including Alfred) at Bruce’s penthouse, all of whom are left alone with the Joker and his henchmen after Batman’s big leap? In a movie this tightly scripted, the omission of any visual or even a single line of dialogue explaining that the bad guys all fled without hurting anyone, or some such, is glaring. The biggest problem with TDR from my perspective, though, is that it is almost totally joyless and unrelentingly grim. I get that this fits with the particular Batman comic series that inspired the story, and we certainly didn’t need any further yuk-yuk adaptations of the character, but something to lighten the tension would have made a better film.

FUN FACTOID: Bruce’s Lamborghini model is the Murciélago, or Spanish for “bat.”

THE BOTTOM LINE: It’s a cinematic masterpiece and could easily have rated the top nod in the category, but to the extent that the judges should be allowed to tinker with the margins of their rankings by a point or two here and there based on personal preference . . . well, that’s what I did here. At its core, TDR is an exhausting viewing experience, and not quite as fun as it could have been. I would watch Iron Man five times and VfV (or Batman Begins) 10-15 times before breaking out TDR again.

 
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2. V for Vendetta (2005)

I’m going to let personal preference break a tie here between VfV and The Dark Knight. V was my not-so-deep sleeper pick for the England category, and I missed snapping it up it by exactly one draft selection. I was waiting to see if it would be moved to Monologues or England, but thankfully it was not, so I get to judge it and somebody gets a nice reward here for the tenth overall pick in this category. I was highly tempted to rank this at the top of the list, because it is probably a better film in many ways than Iron Man, but the latter integrated humor (highly successfully, I might add) and has more of a legacy, so there you go.

TYPE OF SUPERHERO: Genetically-Enhanced Human

THUMBS UP: The dialogue in this movie is simply incredible. Many probably feel that V’s alliterative monologue at the beginning is trying a little too hard, but there are very, very few throwaway lines in the movie: almost everything spoken has significant impact. Hugo Weaving, doing mostly voice acting but also some of the physical work, is remarkable as V, and this is the film that really made me recognize Natalie Portman’s acting ability – she even does one of the better British accents (by an American) in a mainstream big-budget film that I’ve ever heard. John Hurt, making his second appearance on this list, is outstanding and chilling as Sutler, Tim Pigott-Smith is even more scary as the ever darker antagonist, and Stephen Rea and Rupert Graves are both completely believable as London cops (even if I’ve never quite understood why Finch’s title was limited to that of Chief Inspector, a fairly low rank for the lofty position that he appears to hold in the Norsefire government). The fight choreography is astoundingly good throughout. And the film contains one of my favorite sequences ever filmed: the heartbreakingly moving interlude featuring Natasha Wightman as a gay actress who once “knew” V. “For three years I had roses, and apologized to no one.” It chokes me up every single time.

THUMBS DOWN: Not much. Considerable liberties were taken with the graphic novel, which led to extreme grumbling from co-creator Alan Moore, but the translation from the anti-Thatcherite message of the original to the anti-Bush 2 message of the sequel works very well and is skillfully done. The movie is frightening because the world that it builds is so realistic and relevant, which perhaps explains the adoption of the Guy Fawkes masks by Anonymous and some of the Occupy protesters. Some of the parallels to “The Phantom of the Opera” are a bit too on the nose and accepting V’s “final conversion” of Evey requires more than considerable suspension of disbelief.

FUN FACTOID: First, a personal observation – if I had been judging the England category, I would have been dismayed to see this one and Children of Men taken for other purposes. It seems that post-apocalyptic fiction works very well for American audiences when set in the UK, perhaps because (and again, this is just me) the UK, or mostly London (I can’t say the same of the English countryside or even some of the other cities), already has a somewhat alien feel to it for American visitors. The language is the same and everything looks very familiar, but something is just a little off. I think films like VfV and Children of Men exploit that very well.

On a less personal note, the domino scene involved 22,000 dominoes and required four “professional domino assemblers” 200 hours to set it up. That’s . . . just simply awesome. And if I can get a gig as a professional domino assembler, I want one.

BOTTOM LINE: To whoever selected this, thanks. I could very easily have missed seeing this movie but I’ve watched it probably 50 times since I first discovered it, and have large sections of it memorized. The fact that it is so often overlooked when discussing truly great films just makes me appreciate it all the more.

 
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. . . and the winner is . . . .

1. Iron Man (2008)

Essentially the first foray into Marvel’s Cinematic Universe showed that with good writing and acting, even B-list comic book heroes can blossom in silver screen adaptations. Iron Man was typically more of a sidekick than a principal figure in the Avengers books, and his own series was lightly read compared to many of Marvel’s more recognized “stars” – but one really good movie and an astounding performance by an amazing actor changed all of that forever.

TYPE OF SUPERHERO: Technologically-Enhanced Human

THUMBS UP: I’m a sucker for well-told origin stories, and this is one of the best - - but not the best, as noted below - - that the genre has to offer. Even more than Bale inhabits the Batman persona, Robert Downey, Jr., in the midst of an astonishing, cheer-worthy career renaissance after beating back soul-crushing personal problems, simply *is* Tony Stark. RDJ adds his trademark humor (some of which had to have been ad-libbed, it flies so fast) to this piece, the technological aspects of what Stark invents are fascinating, and the action scenes, while sparser than some superhero flicks, truly deliver. The scenes of Tony inventing and testing the armor, including the flight into space, are just a rip-roaring blast. Jeff Bridges and Gwyneth Paltrow turn in solid performances, and while Terrence Howard may have been a bit too soft-spoken for Rhodey, he evidently forgot that he was in a franchise featuring, as a core concept, constant improvements to its base functionality, and he was swiftly replaced via a Cheadle Upgrade. The plot actually makes more than a modicum of sense and the powers and limitations of the hero are portrayed and explained very well. The direction by Jon Favreau is outstanding and I enjoyed his comic relief turn as Happy Hogan as well. Paul Bettany does a great job as JARVIS; he supposedly did not know the nature of the movie he was recording his lines for until after he laid them down. The ending and the post-credits appearance of Sam Frigging Jackson are really fun.

THUMBS DOWN: The final battle is a little silly, mostly because Bridges goes a bit too over the top with his vocoder-filtered dialogue. Then and at other times, things get a bit loud and Bay-like at the expense of clearly demonstrating what’s happening. But these are minor complaints.

FUN FACTOID: Tony’s Afghan cave mentor, Yinsen, makes a reference to having met him before at a conference in Bern, and son of a gun, TPTB remembered to work that into the script for Iron Man 3. Nice touch!

BOTTOM LINE: I’m sure most were expecting TDR to get the 25-point nod here, but as explained, I found Batman Begins to be a lot more compelling, and while Iron Man isn’t as good as Nolan/Bale’s first turn with the Caped Crusader, the all-around success of translating Shellhead to the big screen is astoundingly smooth, arguably improves on its source material (which is neither easy nor common for this genre), and helps propel this one, via a well-aimed repulsor blast, to the overall top spot.

 
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SUPERHEROES FINAL RANKINGS

1. Iron Man (25 points)

2. V for Vendetta (24 points)

3. The Dark Knight (23 points)

4. Spider-Man 2 (22 points)

5. Superman (21 points)

6. X2 (20 points)

7. The Incredibles (19 points)

8. The Iron Giant (18 points)

9. Watchmen (17 points)

10. Kick-### (16 points)

11. Unbreakable (15 points)

12. The Crow (14 points)

13. Hellboy (13 points)

14. Darkman (12 points)

15. RoboCop (11 points)

16. Conan the Barbarian (10 points)

17. Blade (9 points)

18. Sky High (8 points)

19. Batman (7 points)

20. Megamind (6 points)

21. The Rocketeer (5 points)

22. The Mask (4 points)

23. Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles (3 points)

24. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (2 points)

25. Mystery Men (1 point)

 
I'm the one that chose Darkman, AA. I was not expecting a good score (in fact, 12 pts is much higher than I anticipated.) But it was a movie that I really enjoyed.

 
I'm the one that chose Darkman, AA. I was not expecting a good score (in fact, 12 pts is much higher than I anticipated.) But it was a movie that I really enjoyed.
Chicken dinner! I figured it was either you, K4, or Karma Police.

No, it's a really good movie and it was a nice value pick. The only movie that I might put it ahead if I redid these rankings after another round of viewings or something is Hellboy. Everything above it was clearly superior - but again, nice pick.

 
Total Rankings after 14 Categories

Nick Vermiel 237

Val Rannous 221

timschochet 217

Karma Police 212

AcerFC 211

Mrs. Rannous 207

Aerial Assault 205

Tremendous Upside 204

krista4 203

BobbyLayne 200

Tiannamen Tank 197

Andy Dufresne 193

Time Kibitzer 192

jwb 183

John Madden's Lunchbox 182

Doug B 180

tish155 158

Mister CIA 155

higgins 154

hooter311 153

Dr. Octopus 151

rikishiboy 149

Joffer 145

Kumerica 137

Usual21 137

 
I can't make any more changes to the OP- "Too many images"- So I'll have to update as we get each new set of rankings. Sorry about that, it's the new format.

 
AA, your Superhero writeup was truly a thing of beauty and a fine tribute to Mssr. Ebert & Siskel. Thanks for that.

 
Wow. That took forever. I've read Russian novels that were shorter.

Nice stuff. I know Val can explain the Spidey reboot. He's away with his parents, but maybe he'll find time tomorrow.

 
I can't make any more changes to the OP- "Too many images"- So I'll have to update as we get each new set of rankings. Sorry about that, it's the new format.
Just getting rid of the emoticon in the long take rankings should get rid of the 'too many images' issue for the original post.

 
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Wow. That took forever. I've read Russian novels that were shorter.

Nice stuff. I know Val can explain the Spidey reboot. He's away with his parents, but maybe he'll find time tomorrow.
The Spidey reboot was done solely for the purposes of holding on to the franchise—Sony's rights to it would expire and revert to Marvel if they didn't greenlight it when they did.

 
The dude in V for vendetta was genetically enhanced? I dont recall that part. Is that something in the comic?

Just thought he was a normal guy (no pun intended) and that is what made it so awesome

 
And Scott Pilgrim is an awesome movie

I wasnt expecting it to score well and am not arguing its placement but it was fun and different

 
I appreciate the high ranking for Spiderman 2, but that V for Vendetta ranking is baffling. I didn't like that movie at all. John Hurt's villain is so over the top it's cartoonish rather than evil.

 
SUPERHEROES FINAL RANKINGS

1. Iron Man (25 points)

2. V for Vendetta (24 points)

3. The Dark Knight (23 points)

4. Spider-Man 2 (22 points)

5. Superman (21 points)

6. X2 (20 points)

7. The Incredibles (19 points)

8. The Iron Giant (18 points)

9. Watchmen (17 points)

10. Kick-### (16 points)

11. Unbreakable (15 points)

12. The Crow (14 points)

13. Hellboy (13 points)

14. Darkman (12 points)

15. RoboCop (11 points)

16. Conan the Barbarian (10 points)

17. Blade (9 points)

18. Sky High (8 points)

19. Batman (7 points)

20. Megamind (6 points)

21. The Rocketeer (5 points)

22. The Mask (4 points)

23. Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles (3 points)

24. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (2 points)

25. Mystery Men (1 point)
Great job!! When you teased about two late round selections scoring high, as the selector of Conan I got my hopes up a bit - but taking it dead last and getting 10 points I can't complain much.

I've actually never seen V for Vendetta but will make a point to do so now. You were passionate about this category and it shows, making you the perfect judge for it.

Worth the wait :0

 
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The dude in V for vendetta was genetically enhanced? I dont recall that part. Is that something in the comic?

Just thought he was a normal guy (no pun intended) and that is what made it so awesome
It is in the comic, but it is also explicitly explained in dialogue in the film. The prisoners at Lark Hill were the subject of experimentation, resulting the death of all but one of them. Remember V's ability to move much faster than anyone else and his superhuman strength? He was most definitely not normal.

 
Wow. That took forever. I've read Russian novels that were shorter.

Nice stuff. I know Val can explain the Spidey reboot. He's away with his parents, but maybe he'll find time tomorrow.
The Spidey reboot was done solely for the purposes of holding on to the franchise—Sony's rights to it would expire and revert to Marvel if they didn't greenlight it when they did.
Thanks, Kumerica; I knew the properties were split, as with X-Men, but somehow missed the contractual provision requiring a reversion to Marvel; I'll have to go read about that.

Glad you enjoyed the stuff and thank you for the very kind words.

 
Mrs. R, Nick, BL, rikishi, and Doc Ock, thanks. I'm really glad you guys enjoyed the writeups. The whole piece together was 30 pages in Word, which was way more than I intended, but I wanted to do a comprehensive job and thought the drafters deserved that, and I had not written anything long in a while, so I enjoyed the project. For the two scene categories I still have to do (Courtroom and Dream Sequence), the writeups will be much more concise, as I won't be explaining the premise of the movie or doing an intro. I think, in fact, I will switch tacks and do formula-based rankings for Courtroom scenes for sure.

Andy, dunno what to say. VfV isn't for everyone, as I noted. I'm actually glad more people don't like it, as it makes it more special to me.

 
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Andy, dunno what to say. VfV isn't for everyone, as I noted. I'm actually glad more people don't like it, as it makes it more special to me.
I have a lot of movies I like that most people don't. What fun would this be if there wasn't a bit of wailing and gnashing of teeth? ;)

Great job with the judging. :thumbup:

 
Andy, dunno what to say. VfV isn't for everyone, as I noted. I'm actually glad more people don't like it, as it makes it more special to me.
I have a lot of movies I like that most people don't. What fun would this be if there wasn't a bit of wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Great job with the judging.
Thanks. :hifive: No, I'm just surprised about your strong negative views on VfV. From your comments elsewhere in the thread and your picks, our movie tastes seemed just about exactly the same. But they were bound to diverge at some point!

 
Are there any scene categories where the judge has not popped in. Im giving my final this week and will be bored the last 2 weeks of school.

 
Wow. That took forever. I've read Russian novels that were shorter.

Nice stuff. I know Val can explain the Spidey reboot. He's away with his parents, but maybe he'll find time tomorrow.
The Spidey reboot was done solely for the purposes of holding on to the franchise—Sony's rights to it would expire and revert to Marvel if they didn't greenlight it when they did.
Thanks, Kumerica; I knew the properties were split, as with X-Men, but somehow missed the contractual provision requiring a reversion to Marvel; I'll have to go read about that.

Glad you enjoyed the stuff and thank you for the very kind words.
I should also add that Sam Raimi was set to direct Spider Man 4, which was announced to release in 2011, but multiple scripts were rejected, Sony would've had to pay Maguire something like $50-mil for the next two movies, and after Sony demanded moremoremore in Spider Man 3, Raimi was adamant to have more control for a fourth. So, they rebooted rather than not do anything and let the rights expire.

 
Also, just to chime in, I was surprised with VfV's high ranking, but not at all disappointed—that's one of my top ten films from last decade.

 
Wow. That took forever. I've read Russian novels that were shorter.

Nice stuff. I know Val can explain the Spidey reboot. He's away with his parents, but maybe he'll find time tomorrow.
The Spidey reboot was done solely for the purposes of holding on to the franchise—Sony's rights to it would expire and revert to Marvel if they didn't greenlight it when they did.
Thanks, Kumerica; I knew the properties were split, as with X-Men, but somehow missed the contractual provision requiring a reversion to Marvel; I'll have to go read about that.

Glad you enjoyed the stuff and thank you for the very kind words.
I should also add that Sam Raimi was set to direct Spider Man 4, which was announced to release in 2011, but multiple scripts were rejected, Sony would've had to pay Maguire something like $50-mil for the next two movies, and after Sony demanded moremoremore in Spider Man 3, Raimi was adamant to have more control for a fourth. So, they rebooted rather than not do anything and let the rights expire.
Right, and then there were also Maguire's persistent back issues, and no can convince me that Sony wasn't looking for a way to dump Dunst, whose performance had grown to be simply atrocious. Add in the whining from Raimi, and I get why they jettisoned that group; I just didn't know that they had a certain requirement to keep releasing movies or the rights would revert. What an interesting contractual arrangement (for the movie business; it's not uncommon in other areas of IP); I wonder if I can find the language online somewhere.

 
So what superhero film would you guys still like to see? The one that comes to mind for me is Doctor Strange. If they can somehow duplicate Steve Ditko's original artwork (even superior, IMO, to his work on Spider-Man) that would be a very entertaining movie.

 
So what superhero film would you guys still like to see? The one that comes to mind for me is Doctor Strange. If they can somehow duplicate Steve Ditko's original artwork (even superior, IMO, to his work on Spider-Man) that would be a very entertaining movie.
Great call! That would be very cool.

For me, it's The Flash and a well-done Wonder Woman. DC needs to catch up now, and get a Justice League movie in shape. The major challenge will be designing a threat that is large enough for Green Lantern, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but can still find a role for Batman, presumably as the strategist and leader of the group. I would also very much like to see a picture with The Spectre.

On the Marvel side, I want a Moon Knight pic. And I want the second Avengers movie to feature The Scarlet Witch (to whom Sony at one time owned the rights since she's Magneto's daugher; I'm not sure if this has been resolved), Ms. Marvel/Warbird (played by some scorchingly hot blonde babe) and The Vision.

 
Really, really good rankings and write-ups, AA - totally worth the wait.

Very happy w/ my Watchmen score - some people (not me) really hated it. Really like your Conan and Robocop rankings in particular - I felt they were fair for these films (these would be easy to rank bottom five for some.) Good to see Superman get some love, too.

wow, again, great job.

 
So what superhero film would you guys still like to see? The one that comes to mind for me is Doctor Strange. If they can somehow duplicate Steve Ditko's original artwork (even superior, IMO, to his work on Spider-Man) that would be a very entertaining movie.
Great call! That would be very cool.

For me, it's The Flash and a well-done Wonder Woman. DC needs to catch up now, and get a Justice League movie in shape. The major challenge will be designing a threat that is large enough for Green Lantern, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but can still find a role for Batman, presumably as the strategist and leader of the group. I would also very much like to see a picture with The Spectre.

On the Marvel side, I want a Moon Knight pic. And I want the second Avengers movie to feature The Scarlet Witch (to whom Sony at one time owned the rights since she's Magneto's daugher; I'm not sure if this has been resolved), Ms. Marvel/Warbird (played by some scorchingly hot blonde babe) and The Vision.
Yea, he would be cool. I was a big fan of the "West Coast Avengers" whenever that book came about (mid-80's?), and he had a pretty large role with them.

 
And I want the second Avengers movie to feature The Scarlet Witch (to whom Sony at one time owned the rights since she's Magneto's daugher; I'm not sure if this has been resolved), Ms. Marvel/Warbird (played by some scorchingly hot blonde babe) and The Vision.
The good thing about the Avengers franchise is that most of Marvel's characters can credibly rotate in and out (not necessarily as card-carrying Avengers, of course). Avengers films could conceivably go on for decades a la James Bond.

 
So what superhero film would you guys still like to see? The one that comes to mind for me is Doctor Strange. If they can somehow duplicate Steve Ditko's original artwork (even superior, IMO, to his work on Spider-Man) that would be a very entertaining movie.
Iron Fist - with or without Power Man (Luke Cage).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Fist_(comics)
I would kill for an Immortal Iron Fist adaption. That would make a really strong trilogy. Current Fraction Hawkeye would be a good direction for film universe Hawkeye to take, too. Mark Waid's Daredevil is also ripe for a film adaption.

I don't feel Flash translates to film. Love him, in my top five supeheroes, but I just don't see his personality and power set coming through. He's also a bit OP'd. Moon Knight...we ain't never getting a Moon Knight movie, bros. I'd love a strong Wonder Woman portrayal, but I doubt we would get it. Costume would have to change--original New DCU change was a great first step in a new direction and everyone moaned until we got a classic update again. Bleh.

Also, Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver are cross-studio properties. Quicksilver will be in X-Men: Days of Future Past, and both Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch will be in the Avengers sequel.

Edit: Regarding Iron Fist, it would be tough to do because of rich-guy-superhero-saturation. We've got Iron Man, Batman, and Green Arrow running around to different degrees already. Not sure people want another billionaire (or former billionaire) scion running around.

 
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So what superhero film would you guys still like to see? The one that comes to mind for me is Doctor Strange. If they can somehow duplicate Steve Ditko's original artwork (even superior, IMO, to his work on Spider-Man) that would be a very entertaining movie.
Marvel:

Secret Wars (it'll never happen)

A G.I. Joe overhaul & reboot (the existing movies shattered my childhood—I wrote a better treatment for a G.I. Joe film when I was in college back in the 90s. And I was high when I did it. I know . . . not a superhero movie)

Groo the Wanderer (may have to be animated—don't know who'd play him or how they'd achieve that look with live action)

Doctor Strange (could be very cool if done right)

DC:

Wonder Woman (was very disappointed when Joss Whedon's attempt was aborted.)

The Flash (At first thought, guy who runs fast may not make for a compelling film, but if the origin story takes its time and builds properly, it could be great)

Vigilante (basically, it's Batman meets Punisher, but I loved this comic, so I don't really care)

Teen Titans (if done the 80s way)

Also, I'd love to see a movie about a villain. Maybe a true origin story for Dr. Doom, or something with Bizarro. And will some Marvel movie PLEASE use The Absorbing Man?

 
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Really, really good rankings and write-ups, AA - totally worth the wait.

Very happy w/ my Watchmen score - some people (not me) really hated it. Really like your Conan and Robocop rankings in particular - I felt they were fair for these films (these would be easy to rank bottom five for some.) Good to see Superman get some love, too.

wow, again, great job.
Thanks, man - - much appreciated! :)

I loved Watchmen. It was different from the GN but not drastically, and the set design and most of the casting (still not sure about Matthew Goode) was fantastic. Great dialogue and adapted screenplay, too. Most of its critics seem to be people who did not read the GN and thus were not expecting what they found, or people who wanted the GN filmed scene-for-scene.

I never considered either RoboCop or Conan for the bottom five, not for a second, particularly with horrible attempts to capitalize on The Incredibles from Stiller and Ferrell having been selected. Those are seminal films and the prescient nature of RoboCop is astounding. I was shocked to the core in watching it (I had not seen it for ten years prior to my "research" here) how spot-on it was about so many things, and how the crime was effectively used as allegory for societal decay in general.

Sure, Superman was going to get some love. I have a soft spot for the drafter.

 
And I want the second Avengers movie to feature The Scarlet Witch (to whom Sony at one time owned the rights since she's Magneto's daugher; I'm not sure if this has been resolved), Ms. Marvel/Warbird (played by some scorchingly hot blonde babe) and The Vision.
The good thing about the Avengers franchise is that most of Marvel's characters can credibly rotate in and out (not necessarily as card-carrying Avengers, of course). Avengers films could conceivably go on for decades a la James Bond.
I agree and hope this is the case, as long as they can convince Downey to stay on for another 3-4 films, and then find a credible replacement for him. It's funny to think of Iron Man as the lynchpin to a successful Avengers franchise, isn't it?

Your point also applies to any JLA movie, Doug. I'm hopeful.

 
So what superhero film would you guys still like to see? The one that comes to mind for me is Doctor Strange. If they can somehow duplicate Steve Ditko's original artwork (even superior, IMO, to his work on Spider-Man) that would be a very entertaining movie.
Iron Fist - with or without Power Man (Luke Cage).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Fist_(comics)
I would kill for an Immortal Iron Fist adaption. That would make a really strong trilogy. Current Fraction Hawkeye would be a good direction for film universe Hawkeye to take, too. Mark Waid's Daredevil is also ripe for a film adaption.

I don't feel Flash translates to film. Love him, in my top five supeheroes, but I just don't see his personality and power set coming through. He's also a bit OP'd. Moon Knight...we ain't never getting a Moon Knight movie, bros. I'd love a strong Wonder Woman portrayal, but I doubt we would get it. Costume would have to change--original New DCU change was a great first step in a new direction and everyone moaned until we got a classic update again. Bleh.

Also, Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver are cross-studio properties. Quicksilver will be in X-Men: Days of Future Past, and both Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch will be in the Avengers sequel.

Edit: Regarding Iron Fist, it would be tough to do because of rich-guy-superhero-saturation. We've got Iron Man, Batman, and Green Arrow running around to different degrees already. Not sure people want another billionaire (or former billionaire) scion running around.
Great post. Thanks for the update on The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver; I have not been following Avengers 2 news too closely and this is great to hear.

I think Flash can be translated very well to film, particularly if his speed is explained properly and there are limits to what he can do, with some sort of compelling personal backstory. They certainly have enough to work with.

I think a big-screen WW epic is inevitable. They can easily address the costume with no trouble.

I totally disagree about Moon Knight - - I think a film with him in it could potentially be utterly fantastic.

 
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Oh please please please. How could I have forgotten this in my original post. They would need the costumers from Watchmen to get the characters' looks exactly right. They'd need to use Nightwing instead of Robin, and I'm wondering how they could work in Wonder Girl and Kid Flash without their "senior versions" having made it to the big screen first.

Probably something to hope for after a JLA movie.

Teen Titans (if done the 80s way)
 
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I'd love a strong Wonder Woman portrayal, but I doubt we would get it. Costume would have to change--original New DCU change was a great first step in a new direction and everyone moaned until we got a classic update again. Bleh.
I wonder if audiences would buy a Wonder Woman movie in which Diana Prince was hardly ever in costume. A Wonder Woman that had a lot more in common with, say, Sarah Conner or Buffy Summers than with Spiderman or Green Lantern.

I think it would be a nice touch, though, for the traditional WW costume to come out at some point. Maybe a ceremonial purpose or something.

 
I agree that the Flash wouldn't work. Not because of character (that can always be modified) but simply because...he's too fast. Even with today's technology, there's no good way that I can see to put that on film.

Actually, there was no good way to put that in a comic book either. I always felt that speed guys like Flash, Quicksilver, Kid Flash, etc., were especially stupid. They would go into full speed mode and then come out of it just to punch some guy? Made no sense. A real Flash type guy would win every battle rather easily; there would never be a contest.

As far as the Justice League, the problem is Batman. The Dark Knight character takes the best elements of the loner Batman that Frank Miller and a few others envisaged, and he just doesn't fit in a group.

 
I'd love a strong Wonder Woman portrayal, but I doubt we would get it. Costume would have to change--original New DCU change was a great first step in a new direction and everyone moaned until we got a classic update again. Bleh.
I wonder if audiences would buy a Wonder Woman movie in which Diana Prince was hardly ever in costume. A Wonder Woman that had a lot more in common with, say, Sarah Conner or Buffy Summers than with Spiderman or Green Lantern.

I think it would be a nice touch, though, for the traditional WW costume to come out at some point. Maybe a ceremonial purpose or something.
I would make Wonder Woman straight 1940s. Give her a Nazi supervillian.

 
Actually, there was no good way to put that in a comic book either. I always felt that speed guys like Flash, Quicksilver, Kid Flash, etc., were especially stupid. They would go into full speed mode and then come out of it just to punch some guy? Made no sense. A real Flash type guy would win every battle rather easily; there would never be a contest.
Hasn't the Flash had limits (inconsistently applied,to be sure) on his power in the comics?

 
The Flash has had limits placed on his speed in the comics from time to time, and it's not hard for me to envision a skillful script where he is way faster than random mooks, but has difficutly with members of his rogues' gallery who can slow him down, such as Captain Cold and the Trickster. Reverse Flash would be a nice touch, too. They certainly have plenty of well-written material in the comics upon which to draw.

 
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Actually, there was no good way to put that in a comic book either. I always felt that speed guys like Flash, Quicksilver, Kid Flash, etc., were especially stupid. They would go into full speed mode and then come out of it just to punch some guy? Made no sense. A real Flash type guy would win every battle rather easily; there would never be a contest.
Hasn't the Flash had limits (inconsistently applied,to be sure) on his power in the comics?
Don't recall. I never read The Flash's solo comic, only his appearances in the JLA (and Kid Flash in The New Teen Titans, and Quicksilver in The Avengers, etc.) If there were rules or limits, they were never very clearly spelled out. But I always felt that they misused their abilities.

 

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