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Today's Scottish vote to leave the UK (1 Viewer)

Really surprised that a vote of this magnitude will be settled by a simple majority vote. You'd think it would have to be 2/3rds majority. I hope the No vote carries the day.

I thought the Oliver segment on independence was hilarious. The whole thing with the Scottish flag being flown over 10 Downing was funny.

 
I am also hoping they vote for independence. The system needs to be rocked and hopefully this (along with what has happened in Iceland) will be a tipping point for some nations/states

 
Wrong. Wrong. And wrong. Couldn't be more wrong.

msommer said:
TheIronSheik said:
timschochet said:
If this passes, Wales is next!
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I find it odd that Northern Ireland wasn't the first to do this. A united Ireland seems to make sense.
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IIRC there are about 1.5m protetants in Northern Ireland who want to remain in the UK and about half a million catholics that want to be part of Ireland.It was this that led the IRA to lay down their guns. They realized they would never win.
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NYCelt said:
Wrong. Wrong. And wrong. Couldn't be more wrong.

msommer said:
TheIronSheik said:
timschochet said:
If this passes, Wales is next!
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I find it odd that Northern Ireland wasn't the first to do this. A united Ireland seems to make sense.
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IIRC there are about 1.5m protetants in Northern Ireland who want to remain in the UK and about half a million catholics that want to be part of Ireland.It was this that led the IRA to lay down their guns. They realized they would never win.
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Pretty sure you should set a car bomb off over how wrong he is, Seamus.

 
Almost 50/50 now and by next census there will be a catholic majority.

T Bell said:
NYCelt said:
Wrong. Wrong. And wrong. Couldn't be more wrong.

msommer said:
TheIronSheik said:
timschochet said:
If this passes, Wales is next!
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I find it odd that Northern Ireland wasn't the first to do this. A united Ireland seems to make sense.
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IIRC there are about 1.5m protetants in Northern Ireland who want to remain in the UK and about half a million catholics that want to be part of Ireland.It was this that led the IRA to lay down their guns. They realized they would never win.
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Pretty sure you should set a car bomb off over how wrong he is, Seamus.
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Tom Servo said:
heckmanm said:
timschochet said:
If Scotland goes through with this they will need somebody to lead them. It has to be a well known Scotsman, somebody everybody likes, who has vision and moderation.

I nominate Gordon Ramsay.
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my link
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I'd rather have the 12th Doctor...he's Scottish in this incarnation, I believe.
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The current showrunner is Scottish, too. In fact, this whole independence movement may just be a power play to get complete control over Dr Who.

 
Eephus said:
dickey moe said:
Eephus said:
dickey moe said:
It would probably have a significant effect on the politics of British Parliament. Scottish representatives are overrepresented in the more left leaning parties.
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Yes in the short term but the longer-term question is whether Scottish independence would re-energize the left, particularly in Northern England.
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In what way (can you hypothesize?)
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I don't pretend to understand UK politics so take this with a dram of Scotch. The Yes campaign has been helped by disaffection about the current state. It's become as much a vote against London as it is a vote for Edinburgh. Labour has been drifting to the right since Tony Blair and the Liberal-Democrats are currently in a coalition with the Tories. There is no viable party to the left of them. That's been a bigger issue in Scotland than in England but there's a North-South divide as well. The industrial North have been losers in the current economy.

The vote for Scottish independence would be a watershed event in UK politics. There would have to be repercussions south of the border. Maybe it'll continue England's long term swing to the right but I think you have to look beyond a bunch of Scottish MPs getting up from their seats.
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England would lurch immediately pretty far to the right.

 
Walking Boot said:
Glasgow turnout "only" 75%, well below other areas. YES are despondent.

Thats the worst news Ive had all evening, said one - and it has not been an evening of great news all round.

Yes had been confident that their work registering voters disillusioned with Westminster politics, and engaging with those who had never voted before, would bring in the crucial votes they needed to balance more no-leaning areas of the country.

The campaign mounted a huge get-out-the-vote operation on polling day, with people carriers and coaches in some parts of the city. The final turnout seemed the indicate that their efforts had fallen short.
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When push comes to shove most people fear change and will settle for the devil they know.

 
Insein said:
Walking Boot said:
Glasgow turnout "only" 75%, well below other areas. YES are despondent.

Thats the worst news Ive had all evening, said one - and it has not been an evening of great news all round.

Yes had been confident that their work registering voters disillusioned with Westminster politics, and engaging with those who had never voted before, would bring in the crucial votes they needed to balance more no-leaning areas of the country.

The campaign mounted a huge get-out-the-vote operation on polling day, with people carriers and coaches in some parts of the city. The final turnout seemed the indicate that their efforts had fallen short.
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When push comes to shove most people fear change and will settle for the devil they know.
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Ye mean the deevil they ken.
 
Irish they ain't...An Phlobact they must read..."COME OUT YE' BLACK & TANS...COME OUT & FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN...TELL YOUR WIFE HOW YOU WON MEDALS DOWN IN FLANDERS"...God, I hate the English...Rest in peace, martyrs of the H Block.

 
Insein said:
Walking Boot said:
Glasgow turnout "only" 75%, well below other areas. YES are despondent.

Thats the worst news Ive had all evening, said one - and it has not been an evening of great news all round.

Yes had been confident that their work registering voters disillusioned with Westminster politics, and engaging with those who had never voted before, would bring in the crucial votes they needed to balance more no-leaning areas of the country.

The campaign mounted a huge get-out-the-vote operation on polling day, with people carriers and coaches in some parts of the city. The final turnout seemed the indicate that their efforts had fallen short.
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When push comes to shove most people fear change and will settle for the devil they know.
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Or they realize it would be an economic disaster.

 
one of the more interesting theories i read was tied to Celtic football. by voting for "No", Celtic will likely remain in the SPL. Without the Old Firm intact, SPL is mostly pretty bad and would lose whatever stature it has in world football.

 
saintfool said:
one of the more interesting theories i read was tied to Celtic football. by voting for "No", Celtic will likely remain in the SPL. Without the Old Firm intact, SPL is mostly pretty bad and would lose whatever stature it has in world football.
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Where were they going to go exactly?

 
GoFishTN said:
saintfool said:
one of the more interesting theories i read was tied to Celtic football. by voting for "No", Celtic will likely remain in the SPL. Without the Old Firm intact, SPL is mostly pretty bad and would lose whatever stature it has in world football.
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Where were they going to go exactly?
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Celtic was toying with joining the EPL. they would enter at the Sky Bet likely but could get promoted soon enough.

it's an interesting - if half baked - theory.

 
saintfool said:
Celtic was toying with joining the EPL. they would enter at the Sky Bet likely but could get promoted soon enough.


it's an interesting - if half baked - theory.
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History runs deep and has huge influence even now, obviously. From an American-sports perspective, it's a little surprising that the EPL is not an all-UK league already being that there have been and are Welsh sides in the EPL & Sky Bet.

 
Russia cries foul over Scottish independence voteRussian observers say referendum count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.

In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.

Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.

Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."

Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.

"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said.

Supporters of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, had been fervently hoping for a yes vote. Some Russian nationalists had even fixed yes badges to their Twitter profiles, with one –Konstantin Rykov – adding a "Mc" to the front of his Cyrillic surname. (The badge and "Mc" had disappeared by Friday morning). The Kremlin apparently saw Scottish independence as a way of justifying its own hasty annexation of Crimea in March, following a "referendum" conducted in just three weeks and condemned by the west, as armed Russian forces and irregulars swarmed over the Crimean peninsula. Moscow also felt that a yes vote would weaken the UK and bring to power a post-independence Scottish government more amenable to Moscow's wishes. Alex Salmond,Scotland's first minister, expressed qualified admiration for President Putinin an interview with GQ in March.

The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.

Afshin Rattansi, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"

He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'"

On Friday the Donetsk People's Republic - the Ukrainian rebel enclave - said that it, too, believed the Scottish referendum had been falsified. Miroslav Rudenko, a member of the republic's self-declared supreme council, said he suspected the UK government was guilty of foul play. "I don't rule out that the British authorities have falsified the results of this referendum. The difference between those who voted in favour of independence and against it is not so great," he told the Russian news agency Interfax.

Rudenko said the west was guilty of "double-standards". It had allowed a referendum in Scotland but refused one for Donestk and Luhansk, the rebel enclaves where separatists backed by Kremlin firepower are fighting Ukrainian troops.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum

How do you say "shenanigans" in Russian?

 
That Celtic theory is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on the internet.

In other news, things got pretty nasty over here last night with Unionists setting off flares, attacking passers by and rioting.

 
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