Tombstone (1 Viewer)

[dozer]

"No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you."

Mister I'm gettin' awful tired of...

You gonna do something, or just stand there and bleed?

No?.... I didn't think so.

 

[Jayrok]

"No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you."

Mister I'm gettin' awful tired of...

You gonna do something, or just stand there and bleed?

No?.... I didn't think so.

All right, youngster, out you go... Don't come back.

 

[Chaka]

I gotta be fair. The movie started out like it might be the greatest western ever, but the second half of the movie was a bit of a disappointment. Especially the ridiculous notion that Earp would boldly walk into the pond without getting lit the #### up by ten guys. Overall, very entertaining but not an all-timer.

The number of cowboys shooting at him may have been exaggerated in the movie, but that event is said to be true.

The shootout with Curly Bill did not take place in and across a river. Wyatt and his party rode toward a spring when the cowboys suddenly jumped up from behind a rise and began firing. Wyatt quickly blasted Curly Bill with his shotgun while Doc and the others retreated for cover. The cowboys ran to a stand of willows and the gunfight continued.

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[zed2283]

My wife went into labor with our first kid while we were watching this in the theater in Prescott AZ. That kid is graduating high school tomorrow.

Congratulations on having a 19 and 1/2 year old senior.

 

[Billy Bats]

I gotta be fair. The movie started out like it might be the greatest western ever, but the second half of the movie was a bit of a disappointment. Especially the ridiculous notion that Earp would boldly walk into the pond without getting lit the #### up by ten guys. Overall, very entertaining but not an all-timer.

The number of cowboys shooting at him may have been exaggerated in the movie, but that event is said to be true.

>The shootout with Curly Bill did not take place in and across a river. Wyatt and his party rode toward a spring when the cowboys suddenly jumped up from behind a rise and began firing. Wyatt quickly blasted Curly Bill with his shotgun while Doc and the others retreated for cover. The cowboys ran to a stand of willows and the gunfight continued.

Link

That entire page is copied and pasted directly from IMDB, where it also says:

Wyatt Earp killed Curly Bill with a shotgun in a stream near Iron Springs, Arizona. Wyatt charged headlong into the gun battle with multiple Cowboys firing upon him, several bullets passing through his clothes without harm.

 

[zed2283]

I gotta be fair. The movie started out like it might be the greatest western ever, but the second half of the movie was a bit of a disappointment. Especially the ridiculous notion that Earp would boldly walk into the pond without getting lit the #### up by ten guys. Overall, very entertaining but not an all-timer.

IIRC, they changed directors halfway through filming.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I gotta be fair. The movie started out like it might be the greatest western ever, but the second half of the movie was a bit of a disappointment. Especially the ridiculous notion that Earp would boldly walk into the pond without getting lit the #### up by ten guys. Overall, very entertaining but not an all-timer.

IIRC, they changed directors halfway through filming.

True. Kevin Jarre was the original director but was fired. Kurt Russel directed most of the remainder himself even though Cosmatos was involved a bit.

And then there's this from IMDB:

As extraordinary as the scene is in which Wyatt kills Curly Bill Brocius in the creek, it is true. During the shootout in the creek when Wyatt kills Curly Bill, the next person he shoots is Johnny Barnes (the cowboy who yells "JESUS CHRIST!!"). As in real life, Wyatt shoots Barnes in the stomach. However, Barnes was not killed on site. He managed to escaped and died in a farmhouse. However, before dying, he told the story of how Wyatt REALLY did walk into a hail of Curly Bill's gunfire unscathed and walked right up to Bill and shot him point blank with both barrels of a double-barreled shotgun.

 

[Chaka]

I gotta be fair. The movie started out like it might be the greatest western ever, but the second half of the movie was a bit of a disappointment. Especially the ridiculous notion that Earp would boldly walk into the pond without getting lit the #### up by ten guys. Overall, very entertaining but not an all-timer.

The number of cowboys shooting at him may have been exaggerated in the movie, but that event is said to be true.

>The shootout with Curly Bill did not take place in and across a river. Wyatt and his party rode toward a spring when the cowboys suddenly jumped up from behind a rise and began firing. Wyatt quickly blasted Curly Bill with his shotgun while Doc and the others retreated for cover. The cowboys ran to a stand of willows and the gunfight cont

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That entire page is copied and pasted directly from IMDB, where it also says:

>Wyatt Earp killed Curly Bill with a shotgun in a stream near Iron Springs, Arizona. Wyatt charged headlong into the gun battle with multiple Cowboys firing upon him, several bullets passing through his clothes without harm.

Actually I think IMDB quoted that page not the other way around. And I posted it because it seems like the real life situation was very similar to how it was described in the film as far as being in the open with a #### storm of bullets flying around.

But Wyatt didn't break from cover and head into that #### storm rather he was caught in it by surprise and emerged unscathed. Either way it's darn impressive.

 

[Otis]

I'm sorry Johnny. I forgot you were theah. You may go now.

Exactly.

One of the most underrated acted roles ever on film. Seriously.

 

[coyote5]

"You just shot an unarmed man!""Shoulda armed himself."So good.

Are we just quoting from any western now?

 

[Christo]

Westerns are defined by the story and the struggle of the characters. They include a sense of morality that ties in to the ultimate victory or success of the protaganist. No country is a western. Deal with it.

 

[drummer]

Tombstone is more of a popcorn movie than a Western. But I still won't change the channel when it's on, even though it get's a bit corny after a lot of viewings.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Kilmer is amazing. That's one of the greatest supporting performances I've ever seen in a film. An no that's not hyperbole. He's incredible. I can't believe he wasn't even nominated for an Oscar for this. I don't know how you can conceive of a better supporting performance in a film than he gave here.

Thank God there is no hyperbole.

 

[Gr00vus]

Great film. Open range, no country, in forgiven and tombstone are the best westerns of the last 30 years.

No love for Silverado?

Either Silverado or Unforgiven is my favorite western of the last 30 years.

I enjoy Tombstone, but much of the scenes, acting and dialog are too over the top for me to put it on the same level as those 2. Kilmer should have gotten a nomination though.

 

[bigbottom]

Great film. Open range, no country, in forgiven and tombstone are the best westerns of the last 30 years.

No love for Silverado?

Either Silverado or Unforgiven is my favorite western of the last 30 years. I enjoy Tombstone, but much of the scenes, acting and dialog are too over the top for me to put it on the same level as those 2. Kilmer should have gotten a nomination though.

. Too over the top to be on the same level as Silverado? Don't get me wrong, I thought Silverado was entertaining as hell, but it's downright cartoonish.

 

[drummer]

Great film. Open range, no country, in forgiven and tombstone are the best westerns of the last 30 years.

No love for Silverado?

Either Silverado or Unforgiven is my favorite western of the last 30 years. I enjoy Tombstone, but much of the scenes, acting and dialog are too over the top for me to put it on the same level as those 2. Kilmer should have gotten a nomination though.

.Too over the top to be on the same level as Silverado? Don't get me wrong, I thought Silverado was entertaining as hell, but it's downright cartoonish.

Plus it has Kevin Costner.

 

[Gr00vus]

Great film. Open range, no country, in forgiven and tombstone are the best westerns of the last 30 years.

No love for Silverado?

Either Silverado or Unforgiven is my favorite western of the last 30 years. I enjoy Tombstone, but much of the scenes, acting and dialog are too over the top for me to put it on the same level as those 2. Kilmer should have gotten a nomination though.

.Too over the top to be on the same level as Silverado? Don't get me wrong, I thought Silverado was entertaining as hell, but it's downright cartoonish.

I agree somewhat, thought I think cartoonish is a bit excessive. Okay, maybe there were a few too many yeehas from Costner for my liking, and it might not have been Goldblum's finest moment, but overall I think the writing and acting were better.

 

[Gadzooks]

Barber proceed

 

[Zow]

Recorded this from HBO2 overnight. Looking forward to it.

I love all of Eastwood's westerns so I assume this one will be in the same ballpark.

OMG you're going to love it! Eastwood was so underrated in this one. So subtle he really blends in to the background, almost like he's not even there.

 

[dozer]

The Latin Duel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwEIkXMfL1E

DOC: In vino veritas.

JOHNNY: Age quod agis.

DOC: Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego.

JOHNNY: Iuventus stultorum magister.

DOC: In pace requiescat.

Translation (loose translation I suppose)

DOC: In wine there is truth.

JOHNNY: Do what you do

DOC: Let Apella the Jew believe, not I.

JOHNNY: Youth is the teacher of fools.

DOC: May he rest in peace.

 

[Raider Nation]

If you are bored...From Wiki, here's a sampling of reviews, mostly from professional critics. There is certainly no consensus.

Rotten Tomatoes reported that 77% of 39 sampled critics gave the film a positive review, with an average score of 6.3 out of 10.

Following its cinematic release in 1993, Tombstone was named "One of the 5 greatest Westerns ever made" by True West Magazine. The film was also called "One of the year's 10 best!" by KCOP-TV in Los Angeles, California.

In a mixed review, Chris Hicks writing in the Deseret News said, "aside from Russell and Val Kilmer's scene-stealing, sickly, alcoholic Doc Holliday, there are so many characters coming and going, with none of them receiving adequate screen time, that it becomes difficult to keep track of them all." But he did comment that there were "some very entertaining moments here, with Russell spouting memorable tough-guy lines". Overall, he felt "Taken on its own terms, with some lowered expectations, Western fans will have fun."

Emanuel Levy of the Variety staff believed the film was a "tough-talking but soft-hearted tale" which was "entertaining in a sprawling, old-fashioned manner." Regarding screenwriter Jarre's dialogue, he noted that "Despite the lack of emotional center and narrative focus, his script contains enough subplots and colorful characters to enliven the film and ultimately make it a fun, if not totally engaging, experience."

James Berardinelli writing for ReelViews offered an almost entirely negative review recalling how he thought that "Not only is the last hour anti-climactic, but it's dull. Too many scenes feature lengthy segments of poorly-scripted dialogue, and, in some cases, character motivation becomes unclear. The gunplay is more repetitious than exciting. The result — a cobbled-together morass of silly lines and shoot- outs — doesn't work well."

Stephen Holden writing in The New York Times saw the film as being a "capacious western with many modern touches, the Arizona boom town and site of the legendary O.K. Corral has a seedy, vaudevillian grandeur that makes it a direct forerunner of Las Vegas." He expressed his satisfaction with the supporting acting saying that the "most modern psychological touch is its depiction of Josephine (Dana Delany), the itinerant actress with whom Wyatt falls in love at first sight, as the most casually and comfortably liberated woman ever to set foot in 1880's Arizona."

Critic Louis Black, writing for The Austin Chronicle viewed Tombstone as a "mess" and that there were "two or three pre-climaxes but no climax. Its values are capitalist rather than renegade, which is okay if it's metaphoric rather than literal. Worse, as much as these actors heroically struggle to focus the film, the director more successfully hacks it apart."

Owen Gleiberman of Entertainment Weekly gave the film a C– rating calling it "preposterously inflated" at "135 minutes long". He observed the film as being a "three-hour rough cut that's been trimmed down to a slightly shorter rough cut" with "all that holds the film together is Kurt Russell's droll machismo."

Author Geoff Andrew of Time Out commented that "Kilmer makes a surprisingly effective and effete Holliday". He negatively acknowledged that there was "a misguided romantic subplot and the ending rather sprawls" but ultimately exclaimed the film was "'rootin', tootin' entertainment with lots of authentic facial hair.

Richard Harrington of The Washington Post highlighted on the film's shortcomings by declaring, "too much of Tombstone rings hollow. In retrospect, not much happens and little that does seems warranted. There are so many unrealized relationships you almost hope for redemption in a longer video version. This one is unsatisfying and unfulfilling.

 

[steeler6]

"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked over your grave."

 

[ebcpastor2004]

I gotta be fair. The movie started out like it might be the greatest western ever, but the second half of the movie was a bit of a disappointment. Especially the ridiculous notion that Earp would boldly walk into the pond without getting lit the #### up by ten guys. Overall, very entertaining but not an all-timer.

The number of cowboys shooting at him may have been exaggerated in the movie, but that event is said to be true.

"Where's Wyatt?""He's down by the creek, walkin' on water." SO GREAT I think you have to divide between modern (late 80s-early 90s forward) & older westerns, & between commercial or "critical" (more realistic) westerns. I can really only speak to the newer ones.Tombstone is a modern commercial western, & probably the best IMO. Others like these are my #2 & 3- Young Guns 1 & 2. I think Silverado is an older version (mid 80s?) commercial western, & prob the precursor for Tombstone." Critical" westerns are 1) Lonesome Dove (undisputed) 2) Open Range, 3) True Grit (Daniels/ Damon)Unforgiven splits hairs between commercial & critical IMO, & wasn't great.I think Wyatt Earp was the critical, but unsuccessful, version of Tombstone. Not really good IMOETA: Hatfields & McCoys was good, but I couldn't stomach all the kids getting shot up, esp the girl. Guess I'm getting old. For a great western TV show- A&E's Hell on Wheels was phenomenal.

 

[Raider Nation]

I believe this is the finest reenactment of the O.K. Corral gunfight.

 

[Chaka]

Great film. Open range, no country, in forgiven and tombstone are the best westerns of the last 30 years.

No love for Silverado?

Either Silverado or Unforgiven is my favorite western of the last 30 years. I enjoy Tombstone, but much of the scenes, acting and dialog are too over the top for me to put it on the same level as those 2. Kilmer should have gotten a nomination though.

.Too over the top to be on the same level as Silverado? Don't get me wrong, I thought Silverado was entertaining as hell, but it's downright cartoonish.

Plus it has Kevin Costner.

His best role since Fandango.

 

[bentley]

I think someone above me said that Young Guns 2 was better than Unforgiven but I can't be sure.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

I think someone above me said that Young Guns 2 was better than Unforgiven but I can't be sure.

If you're talking about me, what I was getting at was that it's hard to compare between commercial or more realistic westerns. They aren't trying to do the same thing. I saw Young Guns 1 & 2, when I was just a "young gun", & missed out on Unforgiven when it first came out. I saw it later (on TV maybe?), & it just didn't do it for me. It prob deserves a rewatch, if for no other reason than Eastwood's in it. Hackman too right? I'd probably appreciate it more now.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday made this movie. One of the most underrated performances of all time in any movie. Imagine if Dennis Quaid and Kilmer switched roles in Tombstone and Wyatt Earp. Would anyone still be talking about Tombstone?

 

[drummer]

Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday made this movie. One of the most underrated performances of all time in any movie. Imagine if Dennis Quaid and Kilmer switched roles in Tombstone and Wyatt Earp. Would anyone still be talking about Tombstone?

Quaid's Holliday was a more "straight" role than Kilmer's. Costner's Earp was more dark as well as morose. I think it was easier to play off of Russell's Earp than it was to try to flesh out Costner's with Holliday as a foil.

Then again, Costner's movie was geared more to historical accuracy than Tombstone. It was boring as hell too.

 

[zed2283]

A lot of slight misquotes in here, but I appreciate the sentiment!

 

[ScottNorwood]

I think he's wonderful

 

[Jayrok]

Tom Mix Wept.

 

[kutta]

My wife went into labor with our first kid while we were watching this in the theater in Prescott AZ. That kid is graduating high school tomorrow.

Congratulations on having a 19 and 1/2 year old senior.

lol. Well, he turns 19 in the summer. We saw it in the summer of 1994.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Johnny Ringo: [steps up to Doc] And you must be Doc Holliday.

Doc Holliday: That's the rumor.

Johnny Ringo: You retired too?

Doc Holliday: Not me. I'm in my prime.

Johnny Ringo: Yeah, you look it.

 

[dozer]

He say somesing about a seek horse come to take heem away or somesing. He talk craysee. I don't know.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He say somesing about a seek horse come to take heem away or somesing. He talk craysee. I don't know.

That's not what he said you ignorant wretch. Your Spanish is worse'n your English!

 

[peaces]

A lot of slight misquotes in here, but I appreciate the sentiment!

Whatever do you mean?

 

[Ignoramus]

Whenever my wife sits on my lap: "Why Kate, you're not wearing a bustle. How lewd."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yes, well this happens to be a nocturne.

A which?

You know...Frederick ####### Chopin?

 

[Billy Bats]

He say somesing about a seek horse come to take heem away or somesing. He talk craysee. I don't know.

That's not what he said you ignorant wretch. Your Spanish is worse'n your English!

Hey Johnny, what that Mexican mean a sick horse is gonna get us? He was quotin the bible.. revelations.. behold the pale horse, the man that sat on him is death, and hell followed with him

 

[zed2283]

My wife went into labor with our first kid while we were watching this in the theater in Prescott AZ. That kid is graduating high school tomorrow.

Congratulations on having a 19 and 1/2 year old senior.

lol. Well, he turns 19 in the summer. We saw it in the summer of 1994.

 

[zed2283]

This thread just goes to prove this is probably the most quotable movie ever. TONS of great (not good) lines that can be used in almost any situation. My friends and I used to have entire conversations with only Tombstone quotes

 

[dozer]

This thread just goes to prove this is probably the most quotable movie ever. TONS of great (not good) lines that can be used in almost any situation. My friends and I used to have entire conversations with only Tombstone quotes

Law don't go around here. Savvy?

 

[eurotrashman]

Tombstone is more of a popcorn movie than a Western. But I still won't change the channel when it's on, even though it get's a bit corny after a lot of viewings.

Like when Wyatt holds his dying, bloody brother yet doesn't have any blood on his hands?

 

[Ignoramus]

Tombstone is more of a popcorn movie than a Western. But I still won't change the channel when it's on, even though it get's a bit corny after a lot of viewings.

Like when Wyatt holds his dying, bloody brother yet doesn't have any blood on his hands?

Check out the big brain on Brad.

 

[GoFishTN]

The whole thing is on YouTube in good quality. Watched it again last night.

 

[coyote5]

Tombstone is more of a popcorn movie than a Western. But I still won't change the channel when it's on, even though it get's a bit corny after a lot of viewings.

Like when Wyatt holds his dying, bloody brother yet doesn't have any blood on his hands?

Check out the big brain on Brad.

I was all set to correct you on Brad, but now I see there is like this pseudo controversy Brad vs Brett.... I'm more of a Brett man myself.

 

[Raider Nation]

Whenever my wife sits on my lap: "Why Kate, you're not wearing a bustle. How lewd."

I do that with her also.

 

[Billy Bats]

Tombstone is more of a popcorn movie than a Western. But I still won't change the channel when it's on, even though it get's a bit corny after a lot of viewings.

Like when Wyatt holds his dying, bloody brother yet doesn't have any blood on his hands?

Check out the big brain on Brad.

I was all set to correct you on Brad, but now I see there is like this pseudo controversy Brad vs Brett.... I'm more of a Brett man myself.

I always wondered this as well, but IMDB says It's Brett.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You die first, get it? Your friends might get me in a rush but not before I make your head into a CANOE, you understand me?