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Top 250 Best Selling Rock Albums (1967 - 1981) (1 Viewer)

I am surprised to learn that Hell is for Children was not a single -- just a staple of FM stations.
In going through this exercise, I am surprised at some of the decisions record labels made for a lot of these artists. For example, some songs I don't remember were released as singles, yet many heavy air play songs never were. Similarly, some of these performers had songs released as standalone singles that weren't initially included on the album release (but could have been added to releases in other countries or added on expanded editions later).
The singles game has always been baffling. Record labels often try to predict which songs may be radio hits, often to mixed results at best. And as you say, some songs just emerge - in this case for the genre at hand here - by the help AOR stations. "Stairway To Heaven" for instance was never released as a single, but clearly word got out without record labels forcing it.
 
I am surprised to learn that Hell is for Children was not a single -- just a staple of FM stations.
In going through this exercise, I am surprised at some of the decisions record labels made for a lot of these artists. For example, some songs I don't remember were released as singles, yet many heavy air play songs never were. Similarly, some of these performers had songs released as standalone singles that weren't initially included on the album release (but could have been added to releases in other countries or added on expanded editions later).
The singles game has always been baffling. Record labels often try to predict which songs may be radio hits, often to mixed results at best. And as you say, some songs just emerge - in this case for the genre at hand here - by the help AOR stations. "Stairway To Heaven" for instance was never released as a single, but clearly word got out without record labels forcing it.
Zeppelin was a special case, as they only released singles because of record company wishes. They prioritized albums and catered to FM stations that played album tracks. Fortunately there were a lot of stations receptive to it at the time -- US rock radio didn't start becoming more formulaic until the late '70s.
 
#190T - BLACK SABBATH - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (1973) (4.03 million albums)
Notable songs: Title Track, Sabbra Cadabra, Killing Yourself To Live, Who Are You?

Our second helping from Sabbath. This album must not have gotten much airplay, because I don't remember the songs on it. I remember the title track, but that's about it.

#189 - BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS - Blood, Sweat & Tears (1968) (4.031 million albums)
Notable songs: You've Made Me So Very Happy (#2), Spinning Wheel (#2), And When I Die (#2), Smiling Phases, God Bless The Child

An album that produced a trifecta of #2 songs. The band did not have a Top 10 song before or after. They released 11 studio albums, the last dropping in 1980. Blood, Sweat & Tears following Sabbath on the radio has happened exactly zero times. I'm guessing the horn section was a big influence on Chicago.

#188 - DEEP PURPLE - Burn (1974) (4.06 million albums)
Notable songs: Might Just Take Your Life (#91), Title Track (#105), Mistreated

I vaguely remember the two singles, but by the time I got more into harder / edgier rock, this album had come and went. I have Machine Head and Perfect Strangers in my collection. That's about it for me (other than Hush).

#184T - THE ROLLING STONES - Black And Blue (1973) (4.1 million albums)
Notable songs: Fool To Cry (#10), Hot Stuff (#49), Memory Motel, Fool To Cry, Hey Negrita

IMO, the Stones have so many other better albums. I guess there are some decent tracks on this one, but if I am going to play Mick and the boys, I wouldn't grab this album (or the individual songs from it). I like Memory Motel the best out of the 8 songs.

#184T - KANSAS - Point Of No Return (1977) (4.1 million albums)
Notable songs: Dust In The Wind (#6), Title Track (#28), Portrait (He Knew) (#64)

One of the two big albums from Kansas in the mid-70s. Younger me really liked Dust In The Wind. Cynical, older me would be happy to not hear it again. Much prefer the title track these days. Tim had this one at #77.
This is a good stack.

I'm going:
BS&T
the Purples
Stones
Kansas
Sabbath

Both the Stones & Sabbath LPs have some burnout feels to them, but they are still better than most anything else released at the time. Deep Purple's record isn't my favorite, but it still slams. The Kansas album is their best, IMO, and I still love "Dust In The Wind". The Blood, Sweat, & Tears record is a pop masterpiece.

yeah, that grouping is right in my zone - and I still listen to the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album quite a bit
 
#190T - BLACK SABBATH - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (1973) (4.03 million albums)
Notable songs: Title Track, Sabbra Cadabra, Killing Yourself To Live, Who Are You?

Our second helping from Sabbath. This album must not have gotten much airplay, because I don't remember the songs on it. I remember the title track, but that's about it.

#189 - BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS - Blood, Sweat & Tears (1968) (4.031 million albums)
Notable songs: You've Made Me So Very Happy (#2), Spinning Wheel (#2), And When I Die (#2), Smiling Phases, God Bless The Child

An album that produced a trifecta of #2 songs. The band did not have a Top 10 song before or after. They released 11 studio albums, the last dropping in 1980. Blood, Sweat & Tears following Sabbath on the radio has happened exactly zero times. I'm guessing the horn section was a big influence on Chicago.

#188 - DEEP PURPLE - Burn (1974) (4.06 million albums)
Notable songs: Might Just Take Your Life (#91), Title Track (#105), Mistreated

I vaguely remember the two singles, but by the time I got more into harder / edgier rock, this album had come and went. I have Machine Head and Perfect Strangers in my collection. That's about it for me (other than Hush).

#184T - THE ROLLING STONES - Black And Blue (1973) (4.1 million albums)
Notable songs: Fool To Cry (#10), Hot Stuff (#49), Memory Motel, Fool To Cry, Hey Negrita

IMO, the Stones have so many other better albums. I guess there are some decent tracks on this one, but if I am going to play Mick and the boys, I wouldn't grab this album (or the individual songs from it). I like Memory Motel the best out of the 8 songs.

#184T - KANSAS - Point Of No Return (1977) (4.1 million albums)
Notable songs: Dust In The Wind (#6), Title Track (#28), Portrait (He Knew) (#64)

One of the two big albums from Kansas in the mid-70s. Younger me really liked Dust In The Wind. Cynical, older me would be happy to not hear it again. Much prefer the title track these days. Tim had this one at #77.
This is a good stack.

I'm going:
BS&T
the Purples
Stones
Kansas
Sabbath

Both the Stones & Sabbath LPs have some burnout feels to them, but they are still better than most anything else released at the time. Deep Purple's record isn't my favorite, but it still slams. The Kansas album is their best, IMO, and I still love "Dust In The Wind". The Blood, Sweat, & Tears record is a pop masterpiece.

yeah, that grouping is right in my zone - and I still listen to the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album quite a bit
There are few bands that come near Sabbath in terms of song intros - one is just better than the next.
 
This album was supposedly recorded in a single day. Twelve hours total.

They basically went in and did their live set with a few overdubs.
whoa ...did not know that

pretty amazing
I think they did the paranoid album in two or three days. The song paranoid they wrote on the spot because they needed another song. It was basically album filler.
 
#174T - STEVE MILLER BAND - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) (4.3 million albums)
Notable songs: Rock'n Me (#1), Title Track (#2), Take The Money And Run (#11), Serenade, You Send Me

Miller was a fixture on radio in the mid 70s. He started performing FLAE 3 years before this album came out. His Greatest Hits 74-78 album sold 17 million copies. I saw him once a million years ago, and it was a fun show.

#174T - LOVERBOY - Get Lucky (1981) (4.3 million albums)
Notable songs: When It's Over (#26), Working For The Weekend (#29), Jump (#101), Take Me To The Top, Lucky Ones

You knew this one was coming given that Loverboy had two big releases. I would have thought Weekend would have charted a lot higher. I heard that song like every 8 and a half minutes when it came out.

#173 - PAUL MCCARTNEY - McCartney (1970) (4.31 million albums)
Notable songs: Maybe I'm Amazed, Junk, Teddy Boy, Hot As Sun

Paul didn't make many friends when he released his first solo effort before The Beatles released Let It Be. He alienated fans and took it on the chin for being the one to break up The Beatles. He refused to allow the label to release any singles (which seems like a sure fire way to give away free money).

#172 - JOURNEY - Infinity (1978) (4.42 million albums)
Notable songs: Wheel In The Sky (#57), Lights (#68), Anytime (#83), Feeling That Way

Journey's break through and first commercially successful album. Started a run of 7 straight platinum studio releases (with a platinum live album and a greatest hits package in that time as well).

#171 - CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL - Bayou Country (1969) (4.45 million albums)
Notable songs: Proud Mary (#2), Born On The Bayou, Good Golly, Miss Molly, Keep On Chooglin'

All 6 of the studio releases with John Fogerty were decent sellers, and all of them went platinum. I had a CCR phase in the mid-80s when Centerfield came out. Haven't listened to them / him in a long time.
I'm surprised the Journey and Loverboy albums didn't have songs that charted higher given all the air play.
 
#174T - STEVE MILLER BAND - Fly Like An Eagle (1976) (4.3 million albums)
Notable songs: Rock'n Me (#1), Title Track (#2), Take The Money And Run (#11), Serenade, You Send Me

Miller was a fixture on radio in the mid 70s. He started performing FLAE 3 years before this album came out. His Greatest Hits 74-78 album sold 17 million copies. I saw him once a million years ago, and it was a fun show.

#174T - LOVERBOY - Get Lucky (1981) (4.3 million albums)
Notable songs: When It's Over (#26), Working For The Weekend (#29), Jump (#101), Take Me To The Top, Lucky Ones

You knew this one was coming given that Loverboy had two big releases. I would have thought Weekend would have charted a lot higher. I heard that song like every 8 and a half minutes when it came out.

#173 - PAUL MCCARTNEY - McCartney (1970) (4.31 million albums)
Notable songs: Maybe I'm Amazed, Junk, Teddy Boy, Hot As Sun

Paul didn't make many friends when he released his first solo effort before The Beatles released Let It Be. He alienated fans and took it on the chin for being the one to break up The Beatles. He refused to allow the label to release any singles (which seems like a sure fire way to give away free money).

#172 - JOURNEY - Infinity (1978) (4.42 million albums)
Notable songs: Wheel In The Sky (#57), Lights (#68), Anytime (#83), Feeling That Way

Journey's break through and first commercially successful album. Started a run of 7 straight platinum studio releases (with a platinum live album and a greatest hits package in that time as well).

#171 - CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL - Bayou Country (1969) (4.45 million albums)
Notable songs: Proud Mary (#2), Born On The Bayou, Good Golly, Miss Molly, Keep On Chooglin'

All 6 of the studio releases with John Fogerty were decent sellers, and all of them went platinum. I had a CCR phase in the mid-80s when Centerfield came out. Haven't listened to them / him in a long time.
I'm surprised the Journey and Loverboy albums didn't have songs that charted higher given all the air play.
Neither band was really a singles band per se at the time of these albums. Plus, it was hard for "Working For The Weekend" to move up much higher when you had to deal with the mighty "Pac-Man Fever" five spots higher, among others.
 
This grouping is . . . an odd and eclectic mix. We cross the 5 million albums threshold.

#155 - CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG - 4 Way Street (1971) (4.98 million albums)
Notable songs: Teach Your Children, Love The One You're With, Ohio, Carry On, Southern Man

Not sure how they calculate live triple albums, but this is one of them. The first live album from CSNY (of the 5 they've released).

#152T - STEVIE NICKS - Bella Donna (1981) (5 million)
Notable songs: Stop Draggin' My Heart Around (#3), Leather And Lace (#6), Edge Of Seventeen (#11), After The Glitter Fades (#32)

The first solo album from Stevie contained four Top 40 singles. Tim had it at #97. Bella Donna was her best selling album by a wide margin.

#152T - THE KNACK - Get The Knack (1979) (5 million albums)
Notable songs: My Sharona (#1), Good Girls Don't (#11)

The Knack actually released 7 studio albums. My Sharona was 25-year-old singer Doug Fieger's tribute to his then 17-year-old girlfriend Sharona Alperin. The song is said to have been written, recorded in one take, and mixed in 30 minutes. It is my favorite single of all-time (seriously) and has sold over 10 million copies.

#152T - ELVIS PRESLEY - Elvis (1973) (5 million albums)
Notable songs: Fool, It's Impossible, Don't Think Twice It's All Right, Burning Love (re-release), Always On My Mind (re-release), Always On My Mind (re-release)

I'm not really sure what to make of this one, as I believe it has both studio and live tracks on it. No singles were released, and I don't see any point of inflection or event that caused this album to sell so well. I'm guessing it got a boost after he died and has sold some in terms of catalog sales.

#151 - THE MONKEES - More Of The Monkees (5.01 million albums)
Notable songs: I'm A Believer (#1), [I'm Not Your] Steppin' Stone (#20), Mary Mary, Valleri (re-release),

The first two Monkees albums each sold 5 million copies (the first one was released in 1966 and thus wasn't eligible here). The Neil Diamond penned I'm A Believer was one of three number one singles for the band. Diamond's own version released 5 years later stalled at #51. The song was re-recorded by Smashmouth for the Shrek film in 2001 and reached #21. The Monkees TV series had a total of 58 episodes (which I loved as a kid). The other David Jones got tired of being confused with the singer in the Monkees and changed his name to Bowie.
 
This grouping is . . . an odd and eclectic mix. We cross the 5 million albums threshold.

#155 - CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG - 4 Way Street (1971) (4.98 million albums)
Notable songs: Teach Your Children, Love The One You're With, Ohio, Carry On, Southern Man

Not sure how they calculate live triple albums, but this is one of them. The first live album from CSNY (of the 5 they've released).

#152T - STEVIE NICKS - Bella Donna (1981) (5 million)
Notable songs: Stop Draggin' My Heart Around (#3), Leather And Lace (#6), Edge Of Seventeen (#11), After The Glitter Fades (#32)

The first solo album from Stevie contained four Top 40 singles. Tim had it at #97. Bella Donna was her best selling album by a wide margin.

#152T - THE KNACK - Get The Knack (1979) (5 million albums)
Notable songs: My Sharona (#1), Good Girls Don't (#11)

The Knack actually released 7 studio albums. My Sharona was 25-year-old singer Doug Fieger's tribute to his then 17-year-old girlfriend Sharona Alperin. The song is said to have been written, recorded in one take, and mixed in 30 minutes. It is my favorite single of all-time (seriously) and has sold over 10 million copies.

#152T - ELVIS PRESLEY - Elvis (1973) (5 million albums)
Notable songs: Fool, It's Impossible, Don't Think Twice It's All Right, Burning Love (re-release), Always On My Mind (re-release), Always On My Mind (re-release)

I'm not really sure what to make of this one, as I believe it has both studio and live tracks on it. No singles were released, and I don't see any point of inflection or event that caused this album to sell so well. I'm guessing it got a boost after he died and has sold some in terms of catalog sales.

#151 - THE MONKEES - More Of The Monkees (5.01 million albums)
Notable songs: I'm A Believer (#1), [I'm Not Your] Steppin' Stone (#20), Mary Mary, Valleri (re-release),

The first two Monkees albums each sold 5 million copies (the first one was released in 1966 and thus wasn't eligible here). The Neil Diamond penned I'm A Believer was one of three number one singles for the band. Diamond's own version released 5 years later stalled at #51. The song was re-recorded by Smashmouth for the Shrek film in 2001 and reached #21. The Monkees TV series had a total of 58 episodes (which I loved as a kid). The other David Jones got tired of being confused with the singer in the Monkees and changed his name to Bowie.
If you're gonna put the Monkees and Elvis on here, then you should be criminally charged for not including Stevie Wonder. Your thread your rules, but damn.......
 
If you're gonna put the Monkees and Elvis on here, then you should be criminally charged for not including Stevie Wonder. Your thread your rules, but damn.......
Checks list. Checks notes. Checks comments from the peanut gallery.

Did I say that Stevie Wonder was excluded?
 
This grouping is . . . an odd and eclectic mix. We cross the 5 million albums threshold.

#155 - CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG - 4 Way Street (1971) (4.98 million albums)
Notable songs: Teach Your Children, Love The One You're With, Ohio, Carry On, Southern Man

Not sure how they calculate live triple albums, but this is one of them.
It's not. It's a double.
Reading is fundamental. I saw Side 3 and mistook it for Disc 3.
 
This grouping is . . . an odd and eclectic mix. We cross the 5 million albums threshold.



The Knack actually released 7 studio albums. My Sharona was 25-year-old singer Doug Fieger's tribute to his then 17-year-old girlfriend Sharona Alperin. The song is said to have been written, recorded in one take, and mixed in 30 minutes. It is my favorite single of all-time (seriously) and has sold over 10 million copies.

I love 70s music and most of my favorite songs are from that decade. I endorse this message. There is something about the (off)beat that was original and fresh and the lyrics weren't bad either.
 
This grouping is . . . an odd and eclectic mix. We cross the 5 million albums threshold.



The Knack actually released 7 studio albums. My Sharona was 25-year-old singer Doug Fieger's tribute to his then 17-year-old girlfriend Sharona Alperin. The song is said to have been written, recorded in one take, and mixed in 30 minutes. It is my favorite single of all-time (seriously) and has sold over 10 million copies.

I love 70s music and most of my favorite songs are from that decade. I endorse this message. There is something about the (off)beat that was original and fresh and the lyrics weren't bad either.
I remember how badass it was to change it to “My Scrotum”.
 
Last batch for awhile. Will be out of town.

#150 - FOREIGNER - Head Games (1979) (5.02 million albums)
Notable songs: Dirty White Boy (#12), Title Track (#14), Women (#41), Love On The Telephone, I'll Get Even With You, Rev On The Red Line

Foreigner had a good 6 or 8 years where they sold like hot cakes. They were the sound of FM radio in the late 70s and early to mid 80s. They weren't all that deep or innovative, but Lou Gramm had a recognizable voice and they wrote some straightforward, almost formulaic songs that people bought into.

#149 - PINK FLOYD - Ummagumma (1969) (5.05 million)
Notable songs: Astronomy Domine, Careful With That Axe Eugene, Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun, A Saucerful Of Secrets

A half live / half studio double album that focused on PF's experimental / avant guard side before they became more accessible to the masses. I'm guessing tehe album sales came in later when people started buying up all things Floyd.

#148 - ROD STEWART - Atlantic Crossing (5.07 million albums)
Notable songs: Sailing (#58), This Old Heart Of Mine (#83), Drift Away

I would love to know who was gobbling up all the Rod Stewart albums. This one didn't really have hit songs on it and sold 500,000 in the U.S. Australia was close to that at 400,000. That still leaves a big chuck unaccounted for.

#147 - BAD COMPANY - Bad Company (1974) (5.1 million albums)
Notable songs: Can't Get Enough (#5), Movin' On (#19), Rock Steady, Ready For Love

Bad Company released 6 studio albums with Paul Rodgers. He's one of the few musicians that had success with multiple bands and was a member of Free, The Firm, The Law, and Queen (and also had success as a solo artist).

#146 - BOB SEGER - Live Bullet (1976) (5.2 million copies)
Notable songs: Nutbush City Limits (#69), Travellin' Man, Beautiful Loser, Turn The Page, Ramblin' Gamblin' Man, Katmandu

Our second Seger entry, and both of them were double live albums. IIRC, those are the only live albums in his catalog, He put out ten Top 10 albums and his last studio album came out in 2017.
 
#149 - PINK FLOYD - Ummagumma (1969) (5.05 million)
Notable songs: Astronomy Domine, Careful With That Axe Eugene, Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun, A Saucerful Of Secrets

A half live / half studio double album that focused on PF's experimental / avant guard side before they became more accessible to the masses. I'm guessing tehe album sales came in later when people started buying up all things Floyd.
No question on the bolded - this was probably way off the radar at the time, and even probably after The Wall. Once fans starting exploring their early stuff, I'm sure that's when this took off. Will be interesting to see how many other pre-DSOTM albums are still to come.
#147 - BAD COMPANY - Bad Company (1974) (5.1 million albums)
Notable songs: Can't Get Enough (#5), Movin' On (#19), Rock Steady, Ready For Love

Bad Company released 6 studio albums with Paul Rodgers. He's one of the few musicians that had success with multiple bands and was a member of Free, The Firm, The Law, and Queen (and also had success as a solo artist).
Shows how deep of an album this is when the notable songs mentioned don't even include their self-titled "Bad Company" as well as "Seagull" (which I think is their best song).
 
Shows how deep of an album this is when the notable songs mentioned don't even include their self-titled "Bad Company" as well as "Seagull" (which I think is their best song).
I thought I had included the title track in the song listing, but I do agree that it is a solid album from start to finish.
 
No question on the bolded - this was probably way off the radar at the time, and even probably after The Wall. Once fans starting exploring their early stuff, I'm sure that's when this took off. Will be interesting to see how many other pre-DSOTM albums are still to come.
I fall in this category. I got into Floyd after Animals came out, bought The Wall right away, and also had DSOTM and WYWH. Then I started going backwards. At the time (in my teens), I didn't love their earlier albums, but since they weren't getting played on the radio, you pretty much didn't know what you were buying. Many years later, I like their early stuff a lot more than I did, but it's still hard to sit through entire albums from the 60's. A few songs mixed in with the rest of their catalog works for me. Imagine my disappointment waiting in line for the record store to open to grab a copy of The Final Cut on its release day. It was just so . . . meh.
 
No question on the bolded - this was probably way off the radar at the time, and even probably after The Wall. Once fans starting exploring their early stuff, I'm sure that's when this took off. Will be interesting to see how many other pre-DSOTM albums are still to come.
I fall in this category. I got into Floyd after Animals came out, bought The Wall right away, and also had DSOTM and WYWH. Then I started going backwards. At the time (in my teens), I didn't love their earlier albums, but since they weren't getting played on the radio, you pretty much didn't know what you were buying. Many years later, I like their early stuff a lot more than I did, but it's still hard to sit through entire albums from the 60's. A few songs mixed in with the rest of their catalog works for me. Imagine my disappointment waiting in line for the record store to open to grab a copy of The Final Cut on its release day. It was just so . . . meh.
I still think The Final Cut is meh, but I think we discussed that ad nauseum in your Floyd thread awhile back. Some love it and that's cool.
 
No question on the bolded - this was probably way off the radar at the time, and even probably after The Wall. Once fans starting exploring their early stuff, I'm sure that's when this took off. Will be interesting to see how many other pre-DSOTM albums are still to come.
I fall in this category. I got into Floyd after Animals came out, bought The Wall right away, and also had DSOTM and WYWH. Then I started going backwards. At the time (in my teens), I didn't love their earlier albums, but since they weren't getting played on the radio, you pretty much didn't know what you were buying. Many years later, I like their early stuff a lot more than I did, but it's still hard to sit through entire albums from the 60's. A few songs mixed in with the rest of their catalog works for me. Imagine my disappointment waiting in line for the record store to open to grab a copy of The Final Cut on its release day. It was just so . . . meh.
I still think The Final Cut is meh, but I think we discussed that ad nauseum in your Floyd thread awhile back. Some love it and that's cool.
I think there are similarities between The Wall and Abbey Road. It ended up being the last rodeo and a masterpiece . . . with another album of leftover material that came out a little while later when no one was really into it anymore. Let It Be was light years better than the Final Cut, but both seem like the last albums weren’t quite the same.
 
No question on the bolded - this was probably way off the radar at the time, and even probably after The Wall. Once fans starting exploring their early stuff, I'm sure that's when this took off. Will be interesting to see how many other pre-DSOTM albums are still to come.
I fall in this category. I got into Floyd after Animals came out, bought The Wall right away, and also had DSOTM and WYWH. Then I started going backwards. At the time (in my teens), I didn't love their earlier albums, but since they weren't getting played on the radio, you pretty much didn't know what you were buying. Many years later, I like their early stuff a lot more than I did, but it's still hard to sit through entire albums from the 60's. A few songs mixed in with the rest of their catalog works for me. Imagine my disappointment waiting in line for the record store to open to grab a copy of The Final Cut on its release day. It was just so . . . meh.
I still think The Final Cut is meh, but I think we discussed that ad nauseum in your Floyd thread awhile back. Some love it and that's cool.
I think "meh" is too high a compliment for The Final Cut. But I made my feelings known in that thread.

Ummagumma is highly experimental and its sales (in addition to getting a boost by being a double album) can only be a product of interest after their popularity took off in the '70s. Certainly no one was buying this because they wanted to hear "Several Species of Small Furry Animals..."
 
No question on the bolded - this was probably way off the radar at the time, and even probably after The Wall. Once fans starting exploring their early stuff, I'm sure that's when this took off. Will be interesting to see how many other pre-DSOTM albums are still to come.
I fall in this category. I got into Floyd after Animals came out, bought The Wall right away, and also had DSOTM and WYWH. Then I started going backwards. At the time (in my teens), I didn't love their earlier albums, but since they weren't getting played on the radio, you pretty much didn't know what you were buying. Many years later, I like their early stuff a lot more than I did, but it's still hard to sit through entire albums from the 60's. A few songs mixed in with the rest of their catalog works for me. Imagine my disappointment waiting in line for the record store to open to grab a copy of The Final Cut on its release day. It was just so . . . meh.
I still think The Final Cut is meh, but I think we discussed that ad nauseum in your Floyd thread awhile back. Some love it and that's cool.
I think there are similarities between The Wall and Abbey Road. It ended up being the last rodeo and a masterpiece . . . with another album of leftover material that came out a little while later when no one was really into it anymore. Let It Be was light years better than the Final Cut, but both seem like the last albums weren’t quite the same.
The difference is that Let It Be was recorded before Abbey Road, not during or after. Also Let It Be is good and Final Cut ... is not.
 
No question on the bolded - this was probably way off the radar at the time, and even probably after The Wall. Once fans starting exploring their early stuff, I'm sure that's when this took off. Will be interesting to see how many other pre-DSOTM albums are still to come.
I fall in this category. I got into Floyd after Animals came out, bought The Wall right away, and also had DSOTM and WYWH. Then I started going backwards. At the time (in my teens), I didn't love their earlier albums, but since they weren't getting played on the radio, you pretty much didn't know what you were buying. Many years later, I like their early stuff a lot more than I did, but it's still hard to sit through entire albums from the 60's. A few songs mixed in with the rest of their catalog works for me. Imagine my disappointment waiting in line for the record store to open to grab a copy of The Final Cut on its release day. It was just so . . . meh.
I still think The Final Cut is meh, but I think we discussed that ad nauseum in your Floyd thread awhile back. Some love it and that's cool.
I think "meh" is too high a compliment for The Final Cut. But I made my feelings known in that thread.

Ummagumma is highly experimental and its sales (in addition to getting a boost by being a double album) can only be a product of interest after their popularity took off in the '70s. Certainly no one was buying this because they wanted to hear "Several Species of Small Furry Animals..."
People tend to flex that they know the full title of the song rather than actually listen to it.
 
#148 - ROD STEWART - Atlantic Crossing (5.07 million albums)
Notable songs: Sailing (#58), This Old Heart Of Mine (#83), Drift Away

I would love to know who was gobbling up all the Rod Stewart albums. This one didn't really have hit songs on it and sold 500,000 in the U.S. Australia was close to that at 400,000. That still leaves a big chuck unaccounted for.
How much detail are you able to see about the sales & downloads of these albums? From Wikipedia, we can see that Atlantic Crossing charted very high in practically all of Europe. It even went gold in Hong Kong (only 10,000 units, but still).

Additionally, the single "Sailing" was the theme song to 70s British television series Sailor. "Sailing" was kind of a commemorative song of the Falkland Islands War in 1982. "Sailing" has also been released a charity single at times. Lastly, a 2-disc release of Atlantic Crossing came out in 2009 on the heels of Stewart's successful American Songbook albums.

But yeah ... you're still trying to find ~3 million album sales/downloads somewhere.
 
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/

At that link, you can dig way deep into US record certifications. Choose "Advanced Search" over on the left side underneath the Search window.

One thing I learned from that site, too, is that record certifications have to be applied for -- sales numbers are tracked but aren't automatically converted to certifications. A recent example is Journey's Greatest Hits from 1988. It went Diamond (10X Platinum or 10 million sold in the USA) in 1999. It's 11, 12, and 13x Platinum certifications were never applied for, so Journey's Greatest Hits skipped from Diamond to 14x Platinum in 2006. Same thing happened again between 2008 and January 26, 2024, when Journey's Greatest Hits skipped from 15x to 18x Platinum.

I wonder if the "have to apply for" parameter applies to other countries' certifications, too?

EDIT: If there were a similar website and searchable database for worldwide certifications -- even just maybe 10-15 major countries -- it would be a huge help.
 
But yeah ... you're still trying to find ~3 million album sales/downloads somewhere.
I haven't found a thorough country sales breakdown for that album. Some albums have that info available, but I haven't seen anything for that one.
I'd also be interested in seeing a physical sales vs digital downloads breakdown, as well.
The two primary websites I used were BestSellingAlbums and Chartmasters. As expected, the numbers don' really match. The second one has more of a breakdown of physical vs. digital. But as discussed in the last few posts and when I started the thread, until someone applies for and files the information within the reporting agency, totals might not be updated for years. Similarly, who ever is reporting the sales totals may not disburse that information to the same places. I also think there may be an element of shoddy record keeping, some countries that don't care and may or may not forward their totals consistently, or record labels that folded and who knows what documentation is still available for albums from 50 years ago. I also don't have much knowledge and understanding whether the reported numbers are audited and signed off on.
 
The two primary websites I used were BestSellingAlbums and Chartmasters. As expected, the numbers don' really match. The second one has more of a breakdown of physical vs. digital. But as discussed in the last few posts and when I started the thread, until someone applies for and files the information within the reporting agency, totals might not be updated for years.
The Chartmasters list might be a little behind. I'll use a post-1981 album as an example -- Michael Jackson's Bad (1987).

Chartmasters shows their count for Bad as being "as of 9/27/2017", which was about a month after it's RIAA Diamond certification. However, Bad racked up and additional million-plus sales in the US and got its RIAA 11x Platinum certification in 2021. If the Chartmasters count really has stayed static since September 2017 ... it's at minimum around a million sales short of true count.

All that said -- the difficulties of establishing a "true count" are very much acknowledged.
 
Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
 
Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?
 
Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?
It's been several years now that vinyl has made a comeback - I don't recall what precipitated it, but they're everywhere now. The trend has been aided by many new record players being connected via wireless or USB connection, so they're much more easily accessible (even if you lose a lot of the true sound). With CDs, it's not surprising that record stores don't carry much in stock - not easy to find a CD player any more.
 
Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?
I was surprised as well and ended up getting my lady friend a new record player I lucked into for xmas. She has a few milk crates of albums from her youth that she's had a hard time parting with so these last few months have given her, and I, a chance to relive the past. Picked up a new vinyl of Rumors to go with it and boy howdy did that make her day!
 
Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?
It's been several years now that vinyl has made a comeback - I don't recall what precipitated it, but they're everywhere now. The trend has been aided by many new record players being connected via wireless or USB connection, so they're much more easily accessible (even if you lose a lot of the true sound). With CDs, it's not surprising that record stores don't carry much in stock - not easy to find a CD player any more.
I admit to being in the dark about audio equipment these days, but it's easier to find a turntable than a CD player nowadays? I haven't looked for either, but who has space for albums and a turntable?
 
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Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?
It's been several years now that vinyl has made a comeback - I don't recall what precipitated it, but they're everywhere now. The trend has been aided by many new record players being connected via wireless or USB connection, so they're much more easily accessible (even if you lose a lot of the true sound). With CDs, it's not surprising that record stores don't carry much in stock - not easy to find a CD player any more.
The vinyl comeback started in the early '00s. It had some to do with audiophiles wanting an alternative to the comparatively terrible sound of CDs and digital downloads, and some to do with music-scene-cred signifying. Today it's the thing for hipsters with money. LP prices are ridiculous.
 
Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?
It's been several years now that vinyl has made a comeback - I don't recall what precipitated it, but they're everywhere now. The trend has been aided by many new record players being connected via wireless or USB connection, so they're much more easily accessible (even if you lose a lot of the true sound). With CDs, it's not surprising that record stores don't carry much in stock - not easy to find a CD player any more.
I admit to be in the dark about audio equipment these days, but it's easier to find a turntable than a CD player nowadays? I haven't looked for either, but who has space for albums and a turntable?
Yes. And audiophiles and hipsters.
 
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?

Unsure of exactly why vinyl has made a comeback ... but it could be that the transition from physical CDs to digital media left kind of a void for music lovers. There's always been a tactile sense of satisfaction about actually holding onto and studying an album cover, cassette liner, CD liner, etc.

My 20-year-old daughter and her friends have been into (to them) throwback music media since early in high school. Both cassettes and vinyl records fascinate them. And counterintuitively ... there are at least some vinyl albums bought today that never get played -- my daughter has maybe 10-12 albums she bought just to own the cover. Albums she already liked and listened to plenty on digital media -- but the physical copy had something extra that was worth it to her to purchase.

My 17-year-old son has not yet gotten bit by the vinyl bug, but he scooped up a bunch of my old cassettes we found in our closets last fall. Otherwise, he listens to everything he likes digitally.
 
Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?
It's been several years now that vinyl has made a comeback - I don't recall what precipitated it, but they're everywhere now. The trend has been aided by many new record players being connected via wireless or USB connection, so they're much more easily accessible (even if you lose a lot of the true sound). With CDs, it's not surprising that record stores don't carry much in stock - not easy to find a CD player any more.
The vinyl comeback started in the early '00s. It had some to do with audiophiles wanting an alternative to the comparatively terrible sound of CDs and digital downloads, and some to do with music-scene-cred signifying. Today it's the thing for hipsters with money. LP prices are ridiculous.
For sure - can't believe how much these things go for these days. Dumpster diving at vintage stores for old dirt cheap albums is one of my favorite hobbies.
 
Today it's the thing for hipsters with money. LP prices are ridiculous.
Yeah. One thing that seems apparent is that even for the kids that are into buying vinyl ... they're not building large record collections buying new albums. They're either buying a handful of newly-pressed albums, buying/collecting vintage, or both.
 
Some Chartmaster counts have been updated as recently as last month -- so it's not like the entire site is frozen in time or anything like that. It's been very interesting to look at this stuff, both on Chartmasters and at the RIAA website.
One thing that I've noticed and found odd in stores that sell music these days is the in-stock CD selection is close to invisible (or is mostly used) . . . but vinyl albums take up the majority of the shelf / floor space. I haven't played a vinyl album in this millennium (has to be closer to 30 years). When did vinyl make a comeback, and more importantly . . . why?
It's been several years now that vinyl has made a comeback - I don't recall what precipitated it, but they're everywhere now. The trend has been aided by many new record players being connected via wireless or USB connection, so they're much more easily accessible (even if you lose a lot of the true sound). With CDs, it's not surprising that record stores don't carry much in stock - not easy to find a CD player any more.
The vinyl comeback started in the early '00s. It had some to do with audiophiles wanting an alternative to the comparatively terrible sound of CDs and digital downloads, and some to do with music-scene-cred signifying. Today it's the thing for hipsters with money. LP prices are ridiculous.
Jack White has really pushed vinyl over the last two decades.
 
Today it's the thing for hipsters with money. LP prices are ridiculous.
Yeah. One thing that seems apparent is that even for the kids that are into buying vinyl ... they're not building large record collections buying new albums. They're either buying a handful of newly-pressed albums, buying/collecting vintage, or both.
I've never listened to the newly manufactured albums - how does the sound compare to the old ones?
 
It may sound like I am being dismissive when I say “hipsters with money,” but the vinyl phenomenon has enabled one of my best friends to live out his dream.

He grew up in the business. His dad was a bandleader who played with a pre-fame Grover Washington Jr., and opened three record stores in West Philly in the early 70s. They were very successful in the 70s and 80s and provided his family with the money to send him to private school in the suburbs, where he met me. When his dad died in the mid-90s, he tried to take the stores (now down to 2) over but quickly realized they had been mismanaged for years (his dad was trusting people that he shouldn’t have) and he had no choice but to liquidate them. He was devastated.

He bounced from job to job after that, never being satisfied with his work and never being happy with working for someone else.

Eventually he moved to a “bohemian” type town in the suburbs with lots of bars and restaurants and coffeehouses and cute stores. Plenty of musicians and music fans live or hang out there. But it had no record store. He started doing pop-up vinyl sales on weekends at coffeehouses and shopping centers as a way of making money on the side. He accumulated a large enough customer base to open a brick and mortar store in town, primarily selling vinyl, a few years ago. And it is thriving. Thanks to the vinyl revival and the hipsters with money that are willing to spend it at stores like his, my friend has finally found his calling.
 
Today it's the thing for hipsters with money. LP prices are ridiculous.
Yeah. One thing that seems apparent is that even for the kids that are into buying vinyl ... they're not building large record collections buying new albums. They're either buying a handful of newly-pressed albums, buying/collecting vintage, or both.
I've never listened to the newly manufactured albums - how does the sound compare to the old ones?
I haven't listened to any, either. I have no idea.
 
Looking at how close Billy Squire and Tom Petty are in sales shows how big Squire was in 81-82. I can’t imagine Don’t Say No selling nearly what Damn the Toroedos has in the last 10 years. I love both albums.
Yeah, I'd bet Squier sold like 95% of his total by 1985.
The Rock Me Tonight video just killed his career.
I was never a Squier fan. So when that video came out I was telling a lot of my friends "I told you so..."
 

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