Transgender boy Mack Beggs wins Texas state girls' wrestling title (1 Viewer)

[Henry Ford]

For the record, I'm quite liberal. I have no problem with gay marriage or transsexuals. Voted for Obama twice and I hate Trump with a passion. My stance on this is totally from the viewpoint of my athletics days and my being an athlete's parent days. The humongous advantage this guy had from having more than 10-times the testosterone in his system then his competitors is truly against the spirit of high school athletics. Rules clearly have to be changed. But on a personal level, I hope this person has a great life as a male. I wish him the best.

So you're saying you're not Hitler?

 

[JuniorNB]

So you're saying you're not Hitler?

Not Adolph.  I'm more like his nephew Vinnie Hitler

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Not Adolph.  I'm more like his nephew Vinnie Hitler

Vinnie was always having Adolph thrown in his face by folks.  I am not sure he ever really learned to live with it.  I understand he eventually changed his name, moved to Guadalajara and started a fairly popular Mariachi Boy Band 

 

[culdeus]

I don't care to read 16 pages. I thought Texas had some level of drug testing, how would this pass their testing parameters?  

 

[Henry Ford]

I don't care to read 16 pages. I thought Texas had some level of drug testing, how would this pass their testing parameters?  

Because they were prescribed by a doctor and he obtained a medical waiver.

 

[T J]

Because they were prescribed by a doctor and he obtained a medical waiver.

She did? I guess that makes it okey dokey then. 

 

[Henry Ford]

She did? I guess that makes it okey dokey then. 

The governing body for the sport appears to think so.

 

[T J]

The governing body for the sport appears to think so.

We'll see how long that lasts. 

 

[Rick James]

girls who felt like they were guys used to be just called tomboys. now they're transgendered I guess. I don't see why we should have to re-write all of our laws based on the microscopic percentage of people affected (NYT says 0.3 percent of the population identifies as trans).

 

[Henry Ford]

girls who felt like they were guys used to be just called tomboys. now they're transgendered I guess. I don't see why we should have to re-write all of our laws based on the microscopic percentage of people affected (NYT says 0.3 percent of the population identifies as trans).

This is a very different concept.

Also, latest estimates put the number at .6%, or about 1.4 million Americans.

 

[the moops]

I don't see why we should have to re-write all of our laws based on the microscopic percentage of people affected (NYT says 0.3 percent of the population identifies as trans).

I don't think anyone is advocating for a rewriting of all of our laws

 

[Steve Tasker]

I thought I was looking at megan rapinoe

http://speakerdata2.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/image/879574/unnamed.jpg

Saw her and a few other USWNT players tailgating in a parking lot outside the Linc before a Real Madrid/Philly Union friendly in the summer of 2011 I think it was.  They were posing for pictures with passersby and hanging out, shooting the ####.  She was suuuuper fine up close and not in soccer gear, much to my surprise.

 

[Sand]

I'm not sure why you say that.  Jenner' bone structure, etc are decidedly influenced by not having transitioned at a young age. 

Lighten up Francis.  It was a joke.

 

[Sand]

I don't care to read 16 pages. I thought Texas had some level of drug testing, how would this pass their testing parameters?  

She got a TUE.

 

[Short Corner]

Lighten up Francis.  It was a joke.

hilarious

 

[Zow]

Well, he's a she, so there's that.

Sounds like you're one of the types of people that made high school really fun for some others. 

 

[T J]

Sounds like you're one of the types of people that made high school really fun for some others. 

Nope. Nice try though. My opinions have been formed over the many years since then. 

 

[jonessed]

What a bizarre situation.  That really sucks for all of the other participants.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Nope. Nice try though. My opinions have been formed over the many years since then. 

Ah, the late in life #######.

 

[squistion]

Nope. Nice try though. My opinions have been formed over the many years since then. 

Your opinions may have been formed in the years since then, but one suspects your attitudes regarding those that are different than the norm have not.

 

[T J]

Your opinions may have been formed in the years since then, but one suspects your attitudes regarding those that are different than the norm have not.

We're talking about a girl jacked up on testosterone wrestling other girls. I'm pretty sure my opinions on that would have been the same in high school as well. 

 

[Henry Ford]

We're talking about a girl jacked up on testosterone wrestling other girls. I'm pretty sure my opinions on that would have been the same in high school as well. 

I also may have had that opinion in high school.  Of course, I was a complete dip#### in high school.  

 

[squistion]

We're talking about a girl jacked up on testosterone wrestling other girls. I'm pretty sure my opinions on that would have been the same in high school as well. 

Yes, you probably did have same degree of tolerance now as you did in high school.

 

[T J]

I also may have had that opinion in high school.  Of course, I was a complete dip#### in high school.  

Wouldn't surprise me but it certainly wouldn't have been for having that opinion. 

 

[T J]

Yes, you probably did have same degree of tolerance now as you did in high school.

On testosterone laden girls wrestling other girls, I'm sure you're right.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

She/he won the state title again.

 

[Cjw_55106]

She/he won the state title again.

35-0 baby! 

 

[Joe Summer]

Way to go, Texas.

 

[bigmarc27]

Can’t the wrestling association just make testosterone a banned substance for women’s wrestling?  

 

[Exit 1]

Tough situation for sure. Kind of odd that they follow the gender on the birth certificate. 

 

[Rodrigo Duterte]

Cliff's notes por favor.

Start with whether she was born a guy or girl.

 

[Exit 1]

Cliff's notes por favor.

Start with whether she was born a guy or girl.

Born a girl, identifies as a male now, takes low dose testosterone, wants to wrestle boys but Texas won't allow him, he wrestles girls and had been dominating.

I think that's what's going on.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Move it to the politics forum 

 

[bigmarc27]

Move it to the politics forum 

Why is gender identity a political issue?  Assuming as much really shows how narrowly focused people can be just because of the R or the D beside their name. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Can’t the wrestling association just make testosterone a banned substance for women’s wrestling?  

Well, that wouldn't be fair to this one person. Never mind all the girl wrestlers in the state, they don't matter. 

USA 2018

 

[bigmarc27]

Well, that wouldn't be fair to this one person. Never mind all the girl wrestlers in the state, they don't matter. 

USA 2018

Why?  He wants to wrestle boys. What girls are taking testosterone?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

What does that have to do with politics?

Nothing? I didn't bring up politics 

 

[bigmarc27]

Nothing? I didn't bring up politics 

Yeah I edited. I thought you were responding to my other comment. I’ve made the change. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Why?  He wants to wrestle boys. What girls are taking testosterone?

Sometimes in life you have to make decisions. You can't always have your cake and eat it too. You want to take the T? Don't wrestle.

That was how I felt last yr. The fact that this person signed up to wrestle girls again this yr is worse imo

 

[Cjw_55106]

Sometimes in life you have to make decisions. You can't always have your cake and eat it too. You want to take the T? Don't wrestle.

That was how I felt last yr. The fact that this person signed up to wrestle girls again this yr is worse imo

I'm glad you pointed out that this is a decision. This student could easily wrestle with club teams and isn't forced to wrestle girls as he's claiming. Tons of athletes don't play for their school. 

 

[matuski]

We'll see how long that lasts. 

Another year at least.

 

[bigmarc27]

Sometimes in life you have to make decisions. You can't always have your cake and eat it too. You want to take the T? Don't wrestle.

That was how I felt last yr. The fact that this person signed up to wrestle girls again this yr is worse imo

I don’t disagree, but it seems like everyone is saying they want the laws to change so that he can wrestle with the boys. That’s what the article alluded to. I just don’t understand why that’s necessary.  The wrestling association can make some changes I would think and everyone would be ok. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Can’t the wrestling association just make testosterone a banned substance for women’s wrestling?  

Probably not if prescribed by a doctor.  Not without opening a whole big can of worms regarding banning substances for teenagers that have been prescribed for medical conditions.

 

[Henry Ford]

Well, that wouldn't be fair to this one person. Never mind all the girl wrestlers in the state, they don't matter. 

USA 2018

It wouldn't be fair to many people.  Testosterone is prescribed for more conditions than this.  Yes, to women, too.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

It wouldn't be fair to many people.  Testosterone is prescribed for more conditions than this.  Yes, to women, too.

Ok

Should not have wrestled against girls. Especially the 2nd yr. Imo

 

[Henry Ford]

Ok

Should not have wrestled against girls. Especially the 2nd yr. Imo

Ok.  They should let him wrestle against boys.  He signed up to wrestle.  They told him which line he had to get in.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Ok.  They should let him wrestle against boys.  He signed up to wrestle.  They told him which line he had to get in.

Ok. The rules weren't changed after the first year that this happened. Sucks.

Choose to let the girls of your state compete for a state title without having to wrestle a dude

 

[parasaurolophus]

Really no great solution here. I just wish his mom and him would own that it is a huge advantage instead of the BS about technique and heart. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Ok. The rules weren't changed after the first year that this happened. Sucks.

Choose to let the girls of your state compete for a state title without having to wrestle a dude

Or just let him wrestle boys.  Seems a lot easier.

 

[Henry Ford]

Really no great solution here. I just wish his mom and him would own that it is a huge advantage instead of the BS about technique and heart. 

There's an absolutely awesome solution.  Let him wrestle boys.