And what happens when Republicans decide to stop appointing qualified judges to the Supreme Court, and just filling the seats with political hacks? Nothing outside the law about that either, but it's certainly "circumventing the democratic process".
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timschochet
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timschochet
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They haven’t done that. When they do we will have a problem. I’m not much into slippery slope arguments.
NorvilleBarnes
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I'll start worrying about a coup when Trump appeals the SCOTUS decision.
JAA
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zoonation
Footballguy
I know you hate to holocaust analogies (I generally do too) but I think what you are posting here is short sighted. What Trump is trying to do is disenfranchise 20+ million voters. full stop. He wants to be declared president notwithstanding the will of the people. That is not "within the law", and only would be if law and representative democracy was suspended.
The Jews in Germany didn't go from full members of society to the trains. Their rights were systematically taken away from them one step at a time. Can't own a business. Then can't own property . Then cannot shop in a business. Then rounded up to live in a ghetto. It was all done incrementally and within the law. It is not a perfect analogy, I know.
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JAA
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I believe what he is doing is unethical. So to your point, everything he is doing is not within the realm of the law.
JAA
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JAA
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
To whom? The US Supreme Court isn't big enough . . . on to the World Courts?
The next maneuver will be to dispute the slate of electors on a state by state basis when Congress goes to confirm the electors from each state. I don't know the particulars in terms of the process, but I believe that there needs to be one member from the House and Senate and they pause the proceedings and break off to discuss for two hours on that one state. Not sure what % of votes are needed to overturn the stated results. Can anyone else chime in with details on this process?
NorvilleBarnes
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timschochet
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timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah I think your analogy is nearly as absurd as President Trump’s arguments, no offense.
NorvilleBarnes
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I think this is a good question. Not sure what your definition of "Obamagate" is.
Side note: Watergate was almost 50 years ago. I look forward to the day we can discuss a controversy without adding "gate" to the end.
zoonation
Footballguy
none taken. my point was simply that just because something is done under "the law" or the law is changed to allow something to happen does not mean it is not an assault on democracy or individual rights.
timschochet
Footballguy
You can’t compare our laws to the laws of Nazi Germany or even Weimar Germany. That’s first.
Second, Trump and his supporters claim that THEY'RE the ones who are protecting the Constitution. You can find that ridiculous; I do. But they at least have the right to make the argument.
That's the one line remaining between us and a dictatorship. Congress has shown that they have no interest in keeping this in check.
When you say that these actions aren't an 'assault on democracy', keep that in mind.
Also, keep in mind that as long as the Republicans hold the Senate, they could decide to appoint whoever they wanted to onto the court. Refuse to approve a nomination whenever a D is President, and ramrod their political hack through whenever an R is. It may take a while, but they could eventually get there.
knowledge dropper
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Bamboo Bill
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zoonation
Footballguy
I know it is a touchy subject and I will going forward. But that doesn't change the fact that Nazi Germany is studied in law schools and graduate level poli-sci courses to show how easily a society can acquiesce in stripping democratic rights.
My constitutional law prof, a jew who lived in Germany as a child before the war, blames the lawyers in Germany for letting it happen. I think he would concede they were complicit and not deserving of all the blame, but anyways.
Osaurus
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FYI -- this suspension has been rescinded. I think it would be better to just explain my view.
When I see a reported post, I look at the post. I don't consider what thread it's in. I do consider how man past offenses that poster has.
My point with "Stop trolling" is the use of the term "Biden crime family". When a group doesn't like their people referred to in such a way, it's absolutely trolling to use that exact terminology.
Overall, though, can everyone somehow get over doing all of the same stuff we've seen for the last four years? Eight years? I don't know how many years? Joe, I, and everyone are beyond tired of having to explain rules, suspensions, desires, etc. We don't see everything that is posted. We also get reports from people whose skin is way too thin. We are human and I'm pretty sure most of the posters in here are human, so things while we try to be as fair as we can, responses will never be completely equal. We know that's true because we hear from Group A that Group B gets away with more stuff. And we hear from Group B saying the same thing about Group A. There is no perfect answer. I do believe that if everyone posted the way they would talk if everyone reading their post was in the same room, we'd have a lot less trolling and snarky crap in here. That's not exclusive to this place, I know, but it would be nice.
Max Power
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Thanks for the explanation. What's FBGs view on the last 20 posts in this thread? Trying to start meaningful conversations?
You're phrasing it wrong.
Everything he's actually doing in court is within the law (kind of, or at least arguably).
But the things he's attempting to do -- i.e., the remedies he's asking for -- are not within the law. If they were, the courts would side with him now and then.
2Squirrels1Nut
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Leroy Hoard
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I just hope Antonio Gates never gets into a major scandal. Then we will have Antonio-Gate.
JAA
Footballguy
Let me give you some free advice on this one. Do NOT attempt to hold your breath until this happens.
Sea Duck
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timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Does drafting him in the second round and then coming in last place in my league count? Because that happened to me around 10 years ago.
Max Power
Footballguy
You have. I dont typically agree with you, but I do feel like you genuinely desire a good discussion. You're a good faith poster.
supermike80
Footballguy
Ill throw an olive branch...
Never in a million years would think Id actually AGREE with Tim on anything at all.
So I got that going for me, which is nice.
Never in a million years would think Id actually AGREE with Tim on anything at all.
So I got that going for me, which is nice.
IvanKaramazov
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Trump isn't Hitler and the US isn't Nazi Germany. That's an ugly and unnecessary analogy seeing as how we're not invading our neighbors, forcing people into concentration camps, etc.
On the other hand, Trump and a very large number of Republicans -- including a bunch of elected officials who swore an oath to defend the constitution -- are literally trying to overturn the result of a free and fair election. We don't have a ready-made vocabulary for how to talk about this sort of thing because we don't live in the kind of banana republic that Trump and the GOP are trying to create. Maybe if we lived in Bolivia or someplace we would have good terminology for this sort of thing. Regardless, we better come up with that vocabulary pretty quickly because it looks like we need it.
On the other hand, Trump and a very large number of Republicans -- including a bunch of elected officials who swore an oath to defend the constitution -- are literally trying to overturn the result of a free and fair election. We don't have a ready-made vocabulary for how to talk about this sort of thing because we don't live in the kind of banana republic that Trump and the GOP are trying to create. Maybe if we lived in Bolivia or someplace we would have good terminology for this sort of thing. Regardless, we better come up with that vocabulary pretty quickly because it looks like we need it.
Bamboo Bill
Footballguy
Breaking: The Michigan Supreme Court has declined to consider an appeal from Trump's campaign over the access provided to election challengers at TCF Center, where Detroit's absentee ballots were counted.
timschochet
Footballguy
Again I don’t see the contradiction that you do. If the Republicans you are referring to met in secret and planned to arrest the Supreme Court, take over the government and make Trump President for life, that would be in conflict with their oath to defend the Constitution, obviously. But how is making a legal argument before the Supreme Court, no matter how specious the argument, a violation of their oath? I don’t think it is.
timschochet
Footballguy
On the other hand, it’s being reported that Trump is threatening the FDA chief with being fired if the vaccine isn’t approved today.
So awful. So outrageous.
So awful. So outrageous.
Osaurus
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timschochet
Footballguy
In any case it’s over. The Supreme Court rejects Texas.
Osaurus
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Worst. Coup. Ever.
Gr00vus
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