Truth: A Poll (1 Viewer)

[wikkidpissah]

Truth is all there is. It's more important to me than love, success, gold, God. If you enjoy anything I write or the way i express it, thank truth, for i have lived all my days with it as my mistress & master and those words as the result.

So one can easily imagine my chagrin over the present value of truth. Y'know, i never gave credence to those arguments that, without religion or fear of God, that we'd all be just killing, raping & robbing all the time, but i'm starting to wonder if the decline of God's standing and the decreasing value of honor and honesty is more than coincidental. Thus, this poll.

 

[Raging weasel]

Big fan of truth,honor,respect and personal responsibility. Modern society is lacking these virtues.

 

[Ilov80s]

Difficult to answer this as it really depends on the context. I wouldn't lie to my wife about something but I would have no problem lying to my boss about what we did during our meetings. Not sure exactly how to answer. 

 

[dutch]

Hey wikkid, I'm slow sometimes so please fill me in on question four, what do you mean by personal truths?  I answered 1 but only because I don't know what it means.  Thanks!

 

[dutch]

Am I fat?

Am I ugly because I'm fat?

Do you like the meal I spent five hours slaving over?

Fedex says they cant find the package...did you send it?

Are you drinking here at the office while you work?

 

[wikkidpissah]

Hey wikkid, I'm slow sometimes so please fill me in on question four, what do you mean by personal truths?  I answered 1 but only because I don't know what it means.  Thanks!

Personal Truth = the quest to separate who you really are from what you were told to be, think you are, work to be seen as or dream to become. What people go to monasteries to find out but which many folks make an important, if not vital, part of each day.

 

[dutch]

Ah, gotcha.  I am on that journey now and it started a few years ago, years late, but yes it feels good trying to live for me and looking in the mirror and being ok that I still have growth to do but knowing I am being me and becoming free of the shackles of Expectation of Others.  

Stuart Smalley was on to something.

 

[Captain Cranks]

So one can easily imagine my chagrin over the present value of truth. Y'know, i never gave credence to those arguments that, without religion or fear of God, that we'd all be just killing, raping & robbing all the time, but i'm starting to wonder if the decline of God's standing and the decreasing value of honor and honesty is more than coincidental. Thus, this poll.

Considering it's the 'Evangelicals' who are having a problem with truth right now, I'd say reverence to God's standing is as irrelevant as ever.  

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

We are post-truth now.  All that matters is truthiness.

 

[mr. furley]

i try to always tell the truth to others. but the longer i'm married the more i realize that "truth" is a hazy term and what matters more is "feel". 

 

[Bull Dozier]

Truth is getting harder and harder to discern these days.  More and more often, almost on a daily basis, i find myself in situations discussion this or that, where I am forced to make the choice of what I believe to be the truth.  It's frustrating, because most of the time there is an actual truth but so many contradictory sources you can't find it.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

I have found as I have aged that quite a number of people, in fact, and despite the shticky appearance of this reply, cannot (or are not willing to) handle the truth. 

 

[Captain Cranks]

i try to always tell the truth to others. but the longer i'm married the more i realize that "truth" is a hazy term and what matters more is "feel". 

you misspelled "what she wants to hear."  

 

[wikkidpissah]

Considering it's the 'Evangelicals' who are having a problem with truth right now, I'd say reverence to God's standing is as irrelevant as ever.  

Well, many of them are defending an "established" truth, so i understand, if not respect, that. Unless theyre hiding behind it for exclusion's sake, that is.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

If I'm being 100% honest here, I would have to say that I know what I am and what I am not, which has been both my greatest accomplishment and worst realization in life.

 

[Captain Cranks]

Well, many of them are defending an "established" truth, so i understand, if not respect, that. Unless theyre hiding behind it for exclusion's sake, that is.

I don't understand what you mean.  Can you explain?

 

[mr. furley]

you misspelled "what she wants to hear."  

you're right. i'm sorry. i didn't mean that how it sounded. i would never say something like that on purpose. i apologize.

flowers will be at your office door shortly.

 

[Captain Cranks]

you're right. i'm sorry. i didn't mean that how it sounded. i would never say something like that on purpose. i apologize.

flowers will be at your office door shortly.

Often times I wonder if she notices my transition from almost saying how I feel to saying exactly what you just typed.  The three point turn has to be written on my face.  

 

[wikkidpissah]

i try to always tell the truth to others. but the longer i'm married the more i realize that "truth" is a hazy term and what matters more is "feel". 

I would LOVE to discuss women's general lack of use for truth, but knocking gender around on FFA is like doing so about race - a mostly pointless endeavour in a mostly white man's club, serving only to overburden minority opinions with defense.

 

[wikkidpissah]

I don't understand what you mean.  Can you explain?

Well, by using the term "Evangelicals", i guess you established that those you mean are the ones begging every point and foisting judgement upon others, so you're right. I just try to respect long-held faiths & views for whatever rectitude they attempt to maintain. As i said in the "Religion is a cult" thread:

I've always admired the individual search for God(s) and tried to respect the peace & purpose modest belief can give. Nonetheless, i am virtually certain that humankind has no chance to advance past adolescence until the old agrarian myths and the power plays behind them completely lose sway in the human heart.

 

[Captain Cranks]

Well, by using the term "Evangelicals", i guess you established that those you mean are the ones begging every point and foisting judgement upon others, so you're right. I just try to respect long-held faiths & views for whatever rectitude they attempt to maintain. As i said in the "Religion is a cult" thread:

I guess my overarching point, and a reaction to your phrase "i'm starting to wonder if the decline of God's standing and the decreasing value of honor and honesty is more than coincidental," was for that to be true, then we'd see those that continue to hold God in high standing be the biggest truth seekers among us.  Instead, it would appear these people are even less concerned with truth than their more secular counterparts.  Not to turn this into a political thread, but rather than objectively seek truth and justice for any wrongdoing that Trump and his campaign may have been involved with, many are using their religion to disregard or even terminate such efforts.  I'd like to think, as an atheist, I'd be more concerned with truth and justice even if it meant a disruption of my political agenda.   

 

[wikkidpissah]

I guess my overarching point, and a reaction to your phrase "i'm starting to wonder if the decline of God's standing and the decreasing value of honor and honesty is more than coincidental," was for that to be true, then we'd see those that continue to hold God in high standing be the biggest truth seekers among us.  Instead, it would appear these people are even less concerned with truth than their more secular counterparts.  Not to turn this into a political thread, but rather than objectively seek truth and justice for any wrongdoing that Trump and his campaign may have been involved with, many are using their religion to disregard or even terminate such efforts.  I'd like to think, as an atheist, I'd be more concerned with truth and justice even if it meant a disruption of my political agenda.   

Your last sentence reminds me of Christopher Hitchens, who i still miss greatly. Though I'm a deist (i hope there are gods, think there should be, but i really dont care), not an atheist, i rarely let a week go by without summoning up one of his elegant Youtube diatribes.

I am distressed that the generations finally free, after thousands of years, to believe as they choose have largely chosen to believe in nothing but themselves, however. Our species will always be more about what we have in common than the difference between us each and i look forward to new communities of devotion, gratitude and care springing from the ashes after our selfishness crashes us.

If we are not gods, saints, angels, we are bugs.

 

[El Floppo]

I answered afraid to lie, because that was the only option. But for me it was "with no particular reason/need to tell a lie if you didn't want to".

I'm still the same way...and absolutely terrible at lying- even in here. Just don't feel the need.

But sometimes the telling the truth part does get in the way of telling something effectively- which I hadn't previously given too much though.

 

[El Floppo]

Your last sentence reminds me of Christopher Hitchens, who i still miss greatly. Though I'm a deist (i hope there are gods, think there should be, but i really dont care), not an atheist, i rarely let a week go by without summoning up one of his elegant Youtube diatribes.

I am distressed that the generations finally free, after thousands of years, to believe as they choose have largely chosen to believe in nothing but themselves, however. Our species will always be more about what we have in common than the difference between us each and i look forward to new communities of devotion, gratitude and care springing from the ashes after our selfishness crashes us.

If we are not gods, saints, angels, we are bugs.

The hive is something bigger than the individual...for humans and bugs. 

 

[wikkidpissah]

I answered afraid to lie, because that was the only option. But for me it was "with no particular reason/need to tell a lie if you didn't want to".

I'm still the same way...and absolutely terrible at lying- even in here. Just don't feel the need.

But sometimes the telling the truth part does get in the way of telling something effectively- which I hadn't previously given too much though.

I dont believe you...

 

[El Floppo]

I dont believe you...

I see what you did there.

I wish it wasn't the case, gb. Almost compulsive.

 

[wikkidpissah]

I see what you did there.

I wish it wasn't the case, gb. Almost compulsive.

I hear you. I regularly prefer great lies to weak truths but, in deed, i am Galahad.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Huh?

My explanation will be more complicated than what you're asking to be explained, but if you want it, i'm game.

 

[Bull Dozier]

I answered afraid to lie, because that was the only option. But for me it was "with no particular reason/need to tell a lie if you didn't want to".

I'm still the same way...and absolutely terrible at lying- even in here. Just don't feel the need.

But sometimes the telling the truth part does get in the way of telling something effectively- which I hadn't previously given too much though.

It's not something I'm proud of, and I don't remember when it first happened, but I was horrified when I found out I wasn't a bad lyar, and how easy it could be to get away with.  I definitely strayed from being totally honest for far too long, and have dedicated most of my adult life to making honesty a priority.  I think I am a trustworthy person, and it is something you have to earn everyday.  

 

[bcdjr1]

Personally, I'd say I'm a nihilist.

As a default, I'll be honest. But if it's going to bring me into something I'd rather not deal with, I'll tell you what I think you want to hear ("How was your weekend?" "Fine.")

On the flip side, I sometimes like to argue with people just to find out why they think the way they do, so I'll argue points I don't believe in pursuit of that. 

I don't believe that honor or morality will earn any reward or is important or anything. I just try to live that way because that's the standard I hold myself to. With few exceptions, how others live or judge the way I live doesn't really matter to me.