Tucker Carlson: probably not in deep trouble anymore, but he should be. (4 Viewers)

[BladeRunner]

Cuomo was not in the realm of those 3 Fox commentators.  Not even close.  I don't watch Lemon because I do find he is too partisan.  No idea who the other guy is.  I get most of my news from these boards.  I only peek in to CNN or Fox on occasion (war coverage, election coverage) but have watched them enough to have an opinion.

This is why you're going to have a hard time convince people.  I mean, c'mon.  This is just an absurd take.

 

[supermike80]

Cuomo was not in the realm of those 3 Fox commentators.  Not even close.  I don't watch Lemon because I do find he is too partisan.  No idea who the other guy is.  I get most of my news from these boards.  I only peek in to CNN or Fox on occasion (war coverage, election coverage) but have watched them enough to have an opinion.

What?  Not in the  realm?  Come on. 

 

[Chaz McNulty]

This is why you're going to have a hard time convince people.  I mean, c'mon.  This is just an absurd take.

Cuomo was a fairly decent commentator.  He was no where near a Rachel Maddow or Don Lemmon.  I found him interesting and he did come down on Dems quite often.

 

[chet]

Why is this an issue now?

It was a political calculation by Biden I suppose is about the worst thing you can say about this IMO.

It's an issue because many are refusing to acknowledge that Biden used race and gender to determine his candidate for the most important court in the country.  He didn't try to find the best candidate in the country; he whittled down the list of candidates and found the best black female candidate.  It undermines her credibility because people will always wonder whether she was the best candidate.  

Justin Trudeau did the same thing when he was elected ~2015.  He said, "This is 2015 and my cabinet will be 50% women."  He was choosing from a group of elected MPs who were 75% male.  

 

[supermike80]

This is why you're going to have a hard time convince people.  I mean, c'mon.  This is just an absurd take.

You see. He Parrotted dem talking points. So of course he wasn't biased.  After all that's what everyone wants. 

Not gonna even.  I read that and I see what kind of absolute media bias I'm up against.    No chance

 

[The General]

It's an issue because many are refusing to acknowledge that Biden used race and gender to determine his candidate for the most important court in the country.  He didn't try to find the best candidate in the country; he whittled down the list of candidates and found the best black female candidate.  It undermines her credibility because people will always wonder whether she was the best candidate.  

Justin Trudeau did the same thing when he was elected ~2015.  He said, "This is 2015 and my cabinet will be 50% women."  He was choosing from a group of elected MPs who were 75% male.  

Presidents have done this for some time. I don't see the issue. There are many qualified judges of all races, sexes, etc.

There is no test. It is subjective.

I do agree that Biden announcing it in this way opens up these type of discussions, which is unfair to KBJ because by all accounts she would be on any Dem Prez's list. But I don't really buy this as an issue either TBH.

 

[ekbeats]

FYI:

racism

[ rey-siz-uhm ]

noun

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

Also called in·sti·tu·tion·al rac·ism   [in-sti-too-shuh-nl rey-siz-uhm, -tyoo-], struc·tur·al rac·ism   [struhk-cher-uhl rey-siz-uhm], sys·tem·ic rac·ism   [si-stem-ik rey-siz-uhm]  . a policy, system of government, etc., that is associated with or originated in such a doctrine, and that favors members of the dominant racial or ethnic group, or has a neutral effect on their life experiences, while discriminating against or harming members of other groups, ultimately serving to preserve the social status, economic advantage, or political power of the dominant group.

an individual action or behavior based upon or fostering such a doctrine; racial discrimination.

racial or ethnic prejudice or intolerance.

Ahh, that self serving redefinition of racism concocted in the 80’s saying that only the dominant race holding power can be racist.  It’s nonsense.

 

[unckeyherb]

If that hat had obnoxious blinking lights and was oversized with a flat brim. 

Ugh.  Monstrous.  

 

[timschochet]

When it comes to CNN (which I don’t watch regularly, maybe 20% of the time), I separate the talk shows from the news reporting. Like MSNBC which I watch most of the time, the talk shows lean to the left. The news reporting is fairly accurate and I generally trust what I’m watching. For example MSNBC is my main source of news about Ukraine and I believe I’m getting an accurate portrayal. 
 

I can’t comment too much on Fox’s news reporting because I don’t watch. It used to be pretty trustworthy and I imagine it still is. Of course it’s talk shows swing to the right. 

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So weird that for the first 350 years of people in colonies/United States no one thought that the requirement that being a white guy to fill virtually every single position of any importance undermined anyone's credentials.

Wonder what changed?

 

[supermike80]

When it comes to CNN (which I don’t watch regularly, maybe 20% of the time), I separate the talk shows from the news reporting. Like MSNBC which I watch most of the time, the talk shows lean to the left. The news reporting is fairly accurate and I generally trust what I’m watching. For example MSNBC is my main source of news about Ukraine and I believe I’m getting an accurate portrayal. 
 

I can’t comment too much on Fox’s news reporting because I don’t watch. It used to be pretty trustworthy and I imagine it still is. Of course it’s talk shows swing to the right. 

Its not surprising you don't understand media.  You've proven that enough times 

 

[ekbeats]

It's an issue because many are refusing to acknowledge that Biden used race and gender to determine his candidate for the most important court in the country.  He didn't try to find the best candidate in the country; he whittled down the list of candidates and found the best black female candidate.  It undermines her credibility because people will always wonder whether she was the best candidate.  

Justin Trudeau did the same thing when he was elected ~2015.  He said, "This is 2015 and my cabinet will be 50% women."  He was choosing from a group of elected MPs who were 75% male.  

Worse than that, it signals to the rest of the country that it’s ok to use a person’s race as THE determining factor for a hiring decision.  We will never get past our racial issues if we keep skin color so front and center.  I get why it’s done (for the greater good) but the better way to do it is to recruit more qualified blacks for jobs.  That’s what I have done.  It’s easy and very effective.  The last two employees I hired were minorities that I had recruited, and when it came time to hire they were the most qualified people in the applicant pool.

 

[timschochet]

Its not surprising you don't understand media.  You've proven that enough times 

Lol.
 

You see I might have written something like, “Tim, I disagree with your understanding of media. I think you have it wrong; here’s how I see it,” and then proceeded to make my argument. I never would have written “you don’t understand media” because that would have been rude and made me look pompous and foolish. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

It's an issue because many are refusing to acknowledge that Biden used race and gender to determine his candidate for the most important court in the country.  He didn't try to find the best candidate in the country; he whittled down the list of candidates and found the best black female candidate.  It undermines her credibility because people will always wonder whether she was the best candidate.  

Justin Trudeau did the same thing when he was elected ~2015.  He said, "This is 2015 and my cabinet will be 50% women."  He was choosing from a group of elected MPs who were 75% male.  

First of all, anyone that doesn’t acknowledge that Biden used race and gender wasn’t paying attention. He did in no uncertain terms.

The idea of “best” doesn’t apply for a position like this. There are numerous  suitable candidates. Recently presidents have nominated a suitable one that isn’t too old and that they believe will make the conservative or liberal arguments that they want them to. They have also often used race and gender.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Ahh, that self serving redefinition of racism concocted in the 80’s saying that only the dominant race holding power can be racist.  It’s nonsense.

Nothing in that definition states that. I’ve heard others state what you mention though and I agree it’s mostly nonsense.

 

[chet]

First of all, anyone that doesn’t acknowledge that Biden used race and gender wasn’t paying attention. He did in no uncertain terms.

The idea of “best” doesn’t apply for a position like this. There are numerous  suitable candidates. Recently presidents have nominated a suitable one that isn’t too old and that they believe will make the conservative or liberal arguments that they want them to. They have also often used race and gender.

He didn't use race and gender as the determining factors;  they were the only factors.  He didn't consider anyone who wasn't black and female.  Can you definitively say that he didn't overlook a more qualified candidate?  Of course you can't because he didn't vet any of them.  And that's why people will always question her appointment.

 

[timschochet]

He didn't use race and gender as the determining factors;  they were the only factors.  He didn't consider anyone who wasn't black and female.  Can you definitively say that he didn't overlook a more qualified candidate?  Of course you can't because he didn't vet any of them.  And that's why people will always question her appointment.

Most people won’t. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

He didn't use race and gender as the determining factors;  they were the only factors.  He didn't consider anyone who wasn't black and female.  Can you definitively say that he didn't overlook a more qualified candidate?  Of course you can't because he didn't vet any of them.  And that's why people will always question her appointment.

You keep going back to “best” and “more”. Think of it as a pool with many possible candidates who will meet the expectations of the position. 

 

[chet]

Most people won’t. 

Most people are sheeple who don't question anything.  Mark my words that her credibility will be called into question by her detractors for the reasons I stated above.

 

[The General]

Most people are sheeple who don't question anything.  Mark my words that her credibility will be called into question by her detractors for the reasons I stated above.

Of course someone will. But it's not a good argument. She is qualified.

Is there some showcase where judges have a judge off? 

 

[chet]

You keep going back to “best” and “more”. Think of it as a pool with many possible candidates who will meet the expectations of the position. 

Firstly, don't tell me to evaluate SC candidates with your framework.  Assuming everyone is equally as qualified and capable is something that I don't believe.  I am not saying that she's not qualified or capable but we don't know if she's the best person for the job because Biden chose to narrow the pool of candidates before evaluating anyone with different demographics.  

 

[The General]

What determines the best judge?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Firstly, don't tell me to evaluate SC candidates with your framework.  Assuming everyone is equally as qualified and capable is something that I don't believe.  I am not saying that she's not qualified or capable but we don't know if she's the best person for the job because Biden chose to narrow the pool of candidates before evaluating anyone with different demographics.  

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. When I wrote “think of it”, it was to help you understand the argument, not some sort of method you must use.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What determines the best judge?

Right, it’s an impossible task to determine.

 

[chet]

What determines the best judge?

Well, if your name is Joe Biden, you start by ensuring they're black and female.

 

[The General]

Well, if your name is Joe Biden, you start by ensuring they're black and female.

How would he determine if an Indian man would be better or an Asian woman etc?

Is there a judge combine? I guess that doesn't work either since people can't agree on the number 1 pick.

Was this an issue when past Presidents did this?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

And that's why people will always question her appointment.

Some people will.

Others won't hold her to a higher standard than they do anyone else.

 

[The General]

It was a political maneuver by Biden, and I felt it was a little hacky at the time, but I understand the thinking by doing it this way. You need to get elected to be in the position to do anything. He determined this would help that.

We will get to see her go through the process. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

I see no reason why diversity shouldn’t be a goal as long as you are hiring suitable candidates. That’s for the Supreme Court and also American businesses.

 

[Dickies]

Cuomo was not in the realm of those 3 Fox commentators.  Not even close.  I don't watch Lemon because I do find he is too partisan.  No idea who the other guy is.  I get most of my news from these boards.  I only peek in to CNN or Fox on occasion (war coverage, election coverage) but have watched them enough to have an opinion.

One of the major differences as I see it is that "the left" does not watch Lemon and Cuomo like "the right" does Hannity, Carlson, and Ingraham.  There is a huge gap in ratings, and when it comes to the radio there is basically no competition for the right wing talking heads.

I find it interesting that the ones who complain the loudest about media bias tend to be the ones who consume the most biased media.

 

[Dickies]

What determines the best judge?

White, male, and likes beer.

 

[waiver wire]

I am Canadian too and I see the following from my friends in Canada.  The CBC has brainwashed Canadians with its hyper partisan coverage.  Canadian media was also exceptionally unfriendly to Trump.  So when you look at CNN, you think it's not that far left because it is so similar to your national media company.  Respectfully, I don't think you're in a position to judge objectively since you live in Canada.

as a canadian in BC 
i dont watch cbc , cnn or fox  
I get my news from BBC, Reuters  
Trump deserved to be slammed as he was horrible 
from what i can tell the opinion shows on cnn are far left and the opinion shows on fox are far right 
media  in every country needs to get back to reporting the news and not worry about profits 

 

[Gilroy34]

How would he determine if an Indian man would be better or an Asian woman etc?

Is there a judge combine? I guess that doesn't work either since people can't agree on the number 1 pick.

Was this an issue when past Presidents did this?

No other President has ever done this

 

[lazyike]

as a canadian in BC 
i dont watch cbc , cnn or fox  
I get my news from BBC, Reuters  
Trump deserved to be slammed as he was horrible 
from what i can tell the opinion shows on cnn are far left and the opinion shows on fox are far right 
media  in every country needs to get back to reporting the news and not worry about profits 

I don’t see it as that cut and dried for CNN I really like Fareed Zakaria and Michael Smerconish and it’s a no brainer how much better they are than Carlson or Laura Ingram. At the same time I don’t care for Don Lemon or Wolf Blitzer on CNN. I can’t think of anyone I can stomach at Fox News since Wallace and Shep Smith left, both whom I found very solid. 

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I don’t see it as that cut and dried for CNN I really like Fareed Zakaria and Michael Smerconish and it’s a no brainer how much better they are than Carlson or Laura Ingram. At the same time I don’t care for Don Lemon or Wolf Blitzer on CNN. I can’t think of anyone I can stomach at Fox News since Wallace and Shep Smith left, both whom I found very solid. 

Agreed.  I watched the weekend News on Fox.  It's a shame they lost them.

 

[JIslander]

Are you disputing the fact that he used race and gender to eliminate otherwise qualified candidates?

Did Trump leave qualified candidates off the list targeting someone to overturn Roe vs Wade? Yes he did. 

 

[waiver wire]

I don’t see it as that cut and dried for CNN I really like Fareed Zakaria and Michael Smerconish and it’s a no brainer how much better they are than Carlson or Laura Ingram. At the same time I don’t care for Don Lemon or Wolf Blitzer on CNN. I can’t think of anyone I can stomach at Fox News since Wallace and Shep Smith left, both whom I found very solid. 

you could be totally right 
all i see from both of this networks are clips that are posted in here so i could be jaded by the junk i see posted 
back when i watched MSM news , i watched fox 10-15% and probably cnn 50-60% of the time and both were good 

 

[Coach Beard]

What determines the best judge?

According to Tucker Carlson on his show tonight, LSAT score.  

 

[bigbottom]

Most people are sheeple who don't question anything.  Mark my words that her credibility will be called into question by her detractors for the reasons I stated above.

Sandra Day O’Connor was confirmed unanimously by the Senate. I don’t think her credibility as a nominee was called into question in any material sense simply because Reagan had said ahead of time that he would nominate a woman. . 

 

[AAABatteries]

Most people are sheeple who don't question anything.  Mark my words that her credibility will be called into question by her detractors for the reasons I stated above.

I get the feeling you would call her credibility in to question no matter what.

ETA - to make sure I’m clear, because Biden nominated her

 

[The General]

No other President has ever done this

This has been a thing in the past

 

[ekbeats]

Cuomo was a fairly decent commentator.  He was no where near a Rachel Maddow or Don Lemmon.  I found him interesting and he did come down on Dems quite often.

Good call.  I liked Cuomo.  Maybe it's because I relate to the guy so much (Italian, lift weights, not so good looking though).  I always found him to be reasonable. fair and a good listener.  Sad to see him go down like that.

 

[ekbeats]

After my dust up with @timschochet today I've given the Tucker / Biden SC nomination thing a little more thought.  I get what Tucker is saying, and intellectually I agree with him.  But of all the things to worry about today, and there are plenty, the incessant railing against a black female being nominated to the Supreme Court seems a little - misplaced.  And that's a legitimate criticism of Tucker.  But I do believe his intentions are good here, and not based in any type of racism or white superioity.  But hell I could be wrong.  Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

He didn’t select a judge purely because of race. He selected her because she is extremely qualified and will give a different perspective to the Supreme Court. Her race plays a role in that. 

Uh, yes he did.

Biden promised to put a Black woman on the court. 

Your post is self-refuting. It's quite obvious from your quote that he considered at least one other factor besides race -- namely, sex.

Just as obviously, it's literally impossible for him to have selected the judge "purely because of race" since there is more than one eligible black person in the known universe.

 

[The General]

After my dust up with @timschochet today I've given the Tucker / Biden SC nomination thing a little more thought.  I get what Tucker is saying, and intellectually I agree with him.  But of all the things to worry about today, and there are plenty, the incessant railing against a black female being nominated to the Supreme Court seems a little - misplaced.  And that's a legitimate criticism of Tucker.  But I do believe his intentions are good here, and not based in any type of racism or white superioity.  But hell I could be wrong.  Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

It's a topic for him to troll on.

 

[ekbeats]

It's a topic for him to troll on.

Maybe I'm naive but I really do believe that Tucker is a good guy.  I wouldn't support him if I thought otherwise.  I also think that Rush and Hannity are good guys as well.  Where I think Tucker goes astray is that he's a bit like me - he believes in his positions so much that he goes over the top ramming them into peoples' heads.  That's probably a function of the job he is in, an industry that I despise by the way.  I know you guys hate Tucker, and to an extent I can understand it. He can be very punchable at times, but at other times he seems like a good guy.  This video speaks to what I'm talking about - https://youtu.be/ylmkVh-vCRw

"Do you catch the flies yourself?"  

 

[The General]

Maybe I'm naive but I really do believe that Tucker is a good guy.  I wouldn't support him if I thought otherwise.  I also think that Rush and Hannity are good guys as well.  Where I think Tucker goes astray is that he's a bit like me - he believes in his positions so much that he goes over the top ramming them into peoples' heads.  That's probably a function of the job he is in, an industry that I despise by the way.  I know you guys hate Tucker, and to an extent I can understand it. He can be very punchable at times, but at other times he seems like a good guy.  This video speaks to what I'm talking about - https://youtu.be/ylmkVh-vCRw 

Fair enough. His job isn't really a net positive but he's a genius at it.

I'm sure he's done good things along the way.

 

[timschochet]

I'm sure he's done good things along the way.

He used to be a huge Grateful Dead fan. For me that’s a plus. 

 

[jamny]

Maybe I'm naive but I really do believe that Tucker is a good guy.  I wouldn't support him if I thought otherwise.  I also think that Rush and Hannity are good guys as well.  Where I think Tucker goes astray is that he's a bit like me - he believes in his positions so much that he goes over the top ramming them into peoples' heads.  That's probably a function of the job he is in, an industry that I despise by the way.  I know you guys hate Tucker, and to an extent I can understand it. He can be very punchable at times, but at other times he seems like a good guy.  This video speaks to what I'm talking about - https://youtu.be/ylmkVh-vCRw

"Do you catch the flies yourself?"  

It's why I defended him against claims that he was pro-Putin. I watch him somewhat regularly. I don't defend him against people that say he's a troll because he definitely stirs the pot. But I feel I know him well enough to say he isn't a supporter of Russia and it reflects on me if people think I would support someone that is.

 

[The General]

He used to be a huge Grateful Dead fan. For me that’s a plus. 

Could do worse.