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Tucker Carlson: probably not in deep trouble anymore, but he should be. (1 Viewer)

jamny said:
It's why I defended him against claims that he was pro-Putin. I watch him somewhat regularly. I don't defend him against people that say he's a troll because he definitely stirs the pot. But I feel I know him well enough to say he isn't a supporter of Russia and it reflects on me if people think I would support someone that is.
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Its similar to a short lived thread i started a few years ago entitled "Trump is not a racist"

 
jamny said:
It's why I defended him against claims that he was pro-Putin. I watch him somewhat regularly. I don't defend him against people that say he's a troll because he definitely stirs the pot. But I feel I know him well enough to say he isn't a supporter of Russia and it reflects on me if people think I would support someone that is.
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He's definitely a #### stirrer, but he's smart as hell.  Dana Perino, who I respect more than anyone in cable news, swears that he is the best writer in the business.  I love listening to smart people, and I really don't care what their political predilections are.  I hated the politics of Alan Dershowitz, but I loved listening to him.  Absolutely brilliant.  George Will, Peggy Noonan, Ben Shapiro, Rachel Madow... I don't always agree with what they say but I love listening to them talk.

 
jamny said:
Its similar to a short lived thread i started a few years ago entitled "Trump is not a racist"
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I love it when people quote themselves. 🤣

Seriously though, I try to practice the belief that most people have good intentions.  Trump really tested that model.  I honestly believed he had good intentions at heart, but the way he handled the election loss and January 6th changed my whole line of thinking.  He's a narcissist first and foremost, and that trumps (pun intended) anything positive that he brings to the table.  I'm out on Trump, and I'll fight his nomination as hard as I can.

 
chet said:
Most people are sheeple who don't question anything.  Mark my words that her credibility will be called into question by her detractors for the reasons I stated above.
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Her detractors were going to argue against her qualifications no matter what.  It's how red team / blue team works nowadays.

 
ekbeats said:
I love it when people quote themselves. 🤣

Seriously though, I try to practice the belief that most people have good intentions.  Trump really tested that model.  I honestly believed he had good intentions at heart, but the way he handled the election loss and January 6th changed my whole line of thinking.  He's a narcissist first and foremost, and that trumps (pun intended) anything positive that he brings to the table.  I'm out on Trump, and I'll fight his nomination as hard as I can.
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He had his good intentions at heart. 

 
ekbeats said:
I love it when people quote themselves. 🤣

Seriously though, I try to practice the belief that most people have good intentions.  Trump really tested that model.  I honestly believed he had good intentions at heart, but the way he handled the election loss and January 6th changed my whole line of thinking.  He's a narcissist first and foremost, and that trumps (pun intended) anything positive that he brings to the table.  I'm out on Trump, and I'll fight his nomination as hard as I can.
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While it seems almost inevitable, I'm still holding out hope that he doesn't run.

 
jamny said:
While it seems almost inevitable, I'm still holding out hope that he doesn't run.
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I assume he's going to at least try. He doesn't seem like the type of personality to be content just living out his days obscurely on some beach/golf resort. 

 
chet said:
Are you disputing the fact that he used race and gender to eliminate otherwise qualified candidates?
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No.  Are you disputing the fact that up until recently, the SCOTUS and the entire federal court system was an entirely white male institution, that qualified female and minority candidates were not even considered for judicial nominations, and that these white male dominated Courts routinely upheld blatantly racist and discriminatory laws? 

 
chet said:
He didn't use race and gender as the determining factors;  they were the only factors.  He didn't consider anyone who wasn't black and female.  Can you definitively say that he didn't overlook a more qualified candidate?  Of course you can't because he didn't vet any of them.  And that's why people will always question her appointment.
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Clearly race and gender were not the only factors. 

 
Yenrub said:
Now Tucker wants to see K.Brown-Jackson's LSAT scores

https://twitter.com/rolandsmartin/status/1499216760762941442?s=20&t=abq9BkMDLR1hqPW2tcF-2w

I don't recall seeing LSAT scores for any of the previous members of the Supreme Court 
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I think that to be a silly waste of time, and a little too close to how Democrats attempted to assassinate the character of Kavanaugh.

I hope the Republicans show up as the adults and do not replicate the behaviors of Democrats during the last two placements. 

 
Mookie said:
No.  Are you disputing the fact that up until recently, the SCOTUS and the entire federal court system was an entirely white male institution, that qualified female and minority candidates were not even considered for judicial nominations, and that these white male dominated Courts routinely upheld blatantly racist and discriminatory laws? 
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So using race and gender was bad back then but it's ok now?  Interesting take.

 
Every President has used their own specific criteria to nominate a SCOTUS candidate. Biden's mistake was saying it up front although that also contributed to his winning the election so I guess it's not a mistake. But people still have the right to question that criteria since he did say it. 

 
The General said:
Why is this an issue today?
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Really?  Because Biden announced his nominee was going to be a black female. Do you think if he announced his nominee was going to be a white male it would have been received differently?  Of course--he'd have been excoriated by the media as being racist.  I am not comfortable with this double standard that essentially says racist policies are ok as long as they support certain groups.

 
ekbeats said:
Maybe I'm naive but I really do believe that Tucker is a good guy.  I wouldn't support him if I thought otherwise.  I also think that Rush and Hannity are good guys as well.  Where I think Tucker goes astray is that he's a bit like me - he believes in his positions so much that he goes over the top ramming them into peoples' heads.  That's probably a function of the job he is in, an industry that I despise by the way.  I know you guys hate Tucker, and to an extent I can understand it. He can be very punchable at times, but at other times he seems like a good guy.  This video speaks to what I'm talking about - https://youtu.be/ylmkVh-vCRw

"Do you catch the flies yourself?"  🤣
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I can’t ignore the poison and damage he does to our democracy just because he fly fishes in Central Park.  🤷‍♂️

 
chet said:
Really?  Because Biden announced his nominee was going to be a black female. Do you think if he announced his nominee was going to be a white male it would have been received differently?  Of course--he'd have been excoriated by the media as being racist.  I am not comfortable with this double standard that essentially says racist policies are ok as long as they support certain groups.
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I would argue it’s the opposite. Biden advancing diversity makes the SC stronger, wiser, and more credible over the long run. The added value Justice Jackson brings makes it an easy decision.  Sometimes doing the right thing is also good politics.  

 
chet said:
Really?  Because Biden announced his nominee was going to be a black female. Do you think if he announced his nominee was going to be a white male it would have been received differently?  Of course--he'd have been excoriated by the media as being racist.  I am not comfortable with this double standard that essentially says racist policies are ok as long as they support certain groups.
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I don't recall this being an issue when say Trump did this with ACB - announcing the pick will be a woman.

If a Prez wanted to make the argument for why their pick for this position really should be a white man they can try and make that case.

 
The General said:
I don't recall this being an issue when say Trump did this with ACB - announcing the pick will be a woman.

If a Prez wanted to make the argument for why their pick for this position really should be a white man they can try and make that case.
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Exactly.  And the ACB selection was clearly to retain the evangelical vote. 

 
Rich Conway said:
Her detractors were going to argue against her qualifications no matter what.  It's how red team / blue team works nowadays.
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Joe didn’t have to say he was only going to nominate a black woman. 
He could have said nothing and nominated her.

Now she will be stuck with “she only is on the court because she’s a black woman” for the rest of her career. It wasn’t fair to her for him to do that. 

 
The General said:
I don't recall this being an issue when say Trump did this with ACB - announcing the pick will be a woman.

If a Prez wanted to make the argument for why their pick for this position really should be a white man they can try and make that case.
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If a prez said “im only going to nominate a white man” cities would burn

 
timschochet said:
Sure. But what point are you trying to make here? 
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Well for one, maybe they shouldn’t make a “im only going to nominate this race!!” statement when a seat opens up.

And the fact that you typed “sure” that cities would burn like it’s no big deal says a lot about where we are as a country.

ps- spare me the “cities should burn , black people have been repressed for hundreds of years “ canned argument that I’m sure you have loaded up please. 

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Well for one, maybe they shouldn’t make a “im only going to nominate this race!!” statement when a seat opens up.

And the fact that you typed “sure” that cities would burn like it’s no big deal says a lot about where we are as a country.

ps- spare me the “cities should burn , black people have been repressed for hundreds of years “ canned argument that I’m sure you have loaded up please. 
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Biden wanted to win South Carolina--and it worked.  :shrug: and whats wrong with wanting the SC to reflect our countries demographics?

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Joe didn’t have to say he was only going to nominate a black woman. 
He could have said nothing and nominated her.

Now she will be stuck with “she only is on the court because she’s a black woman” for the rest of her career. It wasn’t fair to her for him to do that. 
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99% of the people who believe “she only is on the court because she’s a black woman” would believe that regardless of what Biden said or did before the nomination.  Jackson’s resume is well-aligned with other SCOTUS justices, and is more qualified and experienced than the most recent previous nominee.

Jackson has two degrees from Harvard and the most-watched conservative voice on US television is trying to undermine that by asking to see her LSAT score, even though that metric has nothing to do with how good she is as a judge, and in all likelihood it’s higher than the last two to join SCOTUS.

 
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Cowboysfan8 said:
Joe didn’t have to say he was only going to nominate a black woman. 
He could have said nothing and nominated her.

Now she will be stuck with “she only is on the court because she’s a black woman” for the rest of her career. It wasn’t fair to her for him to do that. 
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It was a political calculation, but I think she’ll be fine.

 
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Mookie said:
No.  Are you disputing the fact that up until recently, the SCOTUS and the entire federal court system was an entirely white male institution, that qualified female and minority candidates were not even considered for judicial nominations, and that these white male dominated Courts routinely upheld blatantly racist and discriminatory laws? 
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What do you mean by 'recently'..  60 years?  150 years?  We have had Black justice on the highest court forever and there have not been discriminatory rules in place for over half a century.  Most people alive have not experienced any of what you speak of as 'recently'   

 
Zow said:
Asking a seasoned lawyer/judge with an impressive career what their LSAT score was is comparable to asking a 45 year old triathlete what he or she benched in high school. 
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Right. Tucker has his latest topic to rile up viewers and get headlines on HuffPost. 

 
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jon_mx said:
What do you mean by 'recently'..  60 years?  150 years?  We have had Black justice on the highest court forever and there have not been discriminatory rules in place for over half a century.  Most people alive have not experienced any of what you speak of as 'recently'   
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The 1960's and the millions and millions of people that lived through them would like to say hello.

 
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jon_mx said:
What do you mean by 'recently'..  60 years?  150 years?  We have had Black justice on the highest court forever and there have not been discriminatory rules in place for over half a century.  Most people alive have not experienced any of what you speak of as 'recently'   
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Why do you think we've never had a black female justice Jon?  Is Jackson the first qualified candidate in 230 years?

 
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