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Tucker Carlson: probably not in deep trouble anymore, but he should be. (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
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Tucker’s latest embarrassing racist comments:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/547439-anti-defamation-league-calls-for-tucker-carlson-to-be-fired%3famp
And now the ADL is calling for him to be removed. But here’s the scary question that I fear the answer to: how many Republicans agree with him?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/547439-anti-defamation-league-calls-for-tucker-carlson-to-be-fired%3famp
And now the ADL is calling for him to be removed. But here’s the scary question that I fear the answer to: how many Republicans agree with him?
bigbottom
Footballguy
I just watched the video. Don’t really have a problem with it. (Edit to clarify: I don’t share his view, but I don’t think it’s anything worth firing him over).
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BladeRunner
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First off: ADL? Really? They want all conservatives removed everywhere.timschochet said:
Secondly: I don't see the fake outrage you do.
But, then again, my every waking moment isn't consumed with The Racist Boogeyman Around Every Corner like it does you and many others around here.
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GoBirds
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He’s just deflecting from his Cuomo track record.First off: ADL? Really? They want all conservatives removed everywhere.
Secondly: I don't see the fake outrage you do.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
A lot of people agree with him, including a ton of people on the left. Every time somebody triumphantly points to "demographics" for why the rise of progressivism and the Democratic party is inevitable, they're making the exact same argument as Carlson. They just don't realize it.timschochet said:
(As you know, I support immigration regardless, and I think appeals to demographics when it comes to partisan advantage are mostly bunk.)
Edit: Well, I guess it's not the exact same argument. The SJW version is that all the brown people are going to create a permanent Democratic majority, and that's good. The Stormfront version is that all the brown people are going to create a permanent Democratic majority, and that's bad. So I guess there's a difference there. Both groups ignore the fact that immigrants assimilate.
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Leroy Hoard
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It plays well to Tucker's base and that's all he and Fox cares about.
I don't get the ADL's position here. If people aren't supposed to say dopey things on TV, where are they supposed to say them? "Carlson said something dubious, therefore he shouldn't be on TV anymore" is like "Mario drives kind of fast so he shouldn't do NASCAR anymore."timschochet said:
supermike80
Footballguy
And CNN. Remember....everything Tim thinks comes directly from CNNFirst off: ADL? Really? They want all conservatives removed everywhere.
Secondly: I don't see the fake outrage you do.
But, then again, my every waking moment isn't consumed with The Racist Boogeyman Around Every Corner like it does you and many others around here.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
This is my take as well after checking out the clip. I don't really agree with his take, but wanting him fired over it? Let's get real. Tucker says enough stupid stuff that he will eventually hang himself over something that is actually very offensive, but going all-in over this just makes the ADL look like they are overreaching big time.bigbottom said:
The Z Machine
Footballguy
It's a shame that people think like him.
BTW, one person, one vote isn't really true the USA with the Senate and EC putting value on state borders as well as population.
Not to mention that the USA needs immigration to maintain economic and cultural power.
His argument is dumb on a lot of levels and I'm sorry he feels that his political power is waning in the face of immigration. Maybe he should try gaining their support with policy proposals that these newly minted Americans would support instead of fighting against them.
BTW, one person, one vote isn't really true the USA with the Senate and EC putting value on state borders as well as population.
Not to mention that the USA needs immigration to maintain economic and cultural power.
His argument is dumb on a lot of levels and I'm sorry he feels that his political power is waning in the face of immigration. Maybe he should try gaining their support with policy proposals that these newly minted Americans would support instead of fighting against them.
quick-hands
Footballguy
You are a big fan of the changing demographics of the electorate. You bring it up all the time and it's why the repubs are dying. That is your position is it not?timschochet said:
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
“Jews will not replace us.”- the chant at Charlottesville.
The ADL correctly identified where that language came from. Carlson’s use of phrasing here is not coincidental. The whole replacement idea is a big white supremacist meme, designed to make white people afraid.
Trump, Carlson, and other racists are trying to reshape the Republican Party into a white nationalist party. Sad to say they’ve been pretty successful at it.
The ADL correctly identified where that language came from. Carlson’s use of phrasing here is not coincidental. The whole replacement idea is a big white supremacist meme, designed to make white people afraid.
Trump, Carlson, and other racists are trying to reshape the Republican Party into a white nationalist party. Sad to say they’ve been pretty successful at it.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Of course you don't see it as a threat because it benefits "your side". I don't think you are some kind of anti white racist because you favor demographic change. But I do think you favor it because you see it as a way to enact policy you want as many of these people come from leftist type run countries and should be Democratic votes. If a conservative opposes for the same reasons, they aren't by default racist or a white supremacist.
GoBirds
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quick-hands
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Which is funny, because the left view is that the white people are a threat.
So I guess they're just as racist as Tucker.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I don't think you know what the term racist means. You guys literally use that as a pronoun now. It has lost all meaning.
Go bake a cake, Tim. You and the other race hustlers so quick to call other people racists is the actual problem.
I don’t see the outrage either. Just another attempt by the Left to stifle debate. It’s a fact that Democrats are openly courting illegal immigration. And it’s also fact that they are doing this because the emerging demographic shift helps them. It’s an underhanded way of assuming power and they are doing it without any forethought or concern about how it impacts the country. And then when people like Tucker say that these types of concerns need to be aired and discussed, they are instantly labeled as racist. It’s a tired, old act and a lot of Americans resent it.
Are their racist idiots out there with hateful beliefs? Of course there are. And they should be rejected. But there are also some destructive people on the Left who aren’t thinking straight on immigration. People like tim who naively believe that our modern welfare state can absorb anyone from Central America who wants to be here without any consequences or costs.
The Washington Post just reported that the Biden administration is spending at least $60 million per week to care for the more than 16,000 migrant teenagers and children in shelters operated by the Department of Health and Human Services. This is not from evil Conservative sources - it’s directly from the Biden Administration. That’s a staggering number and they warn it is only going to get worse. Money doesn’t grow on trees and sooner or later we are going to learn that the hard way.
Are their racist idiots out there with hateful beliefs? Of course there are. And they should be rejected. But there are also some destructive people on the Left who aren’t thinking straight on immigration. People like tim who naively believe that our modern welfare state can absorb anyone from Central America who wants to be here without any consequences or costs.
The Washington Post just reported that the Biden administration is spending at least $60 million per week to care for the more than 16,000 migrant teenagers and children in shelters operated by the Department of Health and Human Services. This is not from evil Conservative sources - it’s directly from the Biden Administration. That’s a staggering number and they warn it is only going to get worse. Money doesn’t grow on trees and sooner or later we are going to learn that the hard way.
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You are uninformed. Tucker is not against immigration. He says that all the time. He’s against illegal immigration, as are most Americans.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Illegal immigrants can't vote. Sure sounded like he was against more voters coming in, which would mean legal immigrants.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
The assumption is some sort of amnesty is coming, so there's the conversion into voters.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
"It’s indefensible, so no one even tries to defend it. Instead our leaders demand that you shut up and accept this. We have a moral obligation to admit the world’s poor, they tell us, even if it makes our country poorer and dirtier and more divided” - Tucker Carlson
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
This is a continuation of Trump policy. He increased the detention facilities. He decided to detain more immigrants. 2018 costs were a similar 8.43 million per day.
Just curious tim - do you watch Tucker at all? Or do you get all your news from Liberal sources? What you probably didn’t read in any of the Liberal feeds is the entirety of Tucker’s “replacement” quote:
“I’m not against the immigrants. I’m just, I’m for Americans. Nobody cares about them. It’s like, ‘shut up, you’re dying, we’re gonna replace you.’”
Just so we’re clear, I’m not particularly fond of the word “replacement” either, but at least be fair and give the full statement.
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It’s not at all a continuation of Trump’s policy. Not even close. Trump’s Remain in Mexico policy had restored order and slowed illegal immigration dramatically. Biden blew it up and it’s been nothing but chaos since.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
What I said is true. 34000 beds in 2016, 40500 beds in 2018. 2.4 B$ in 2016, 3.1 B$ in 2018. Part of Trump's poilcy was to expand detention. Pay more for detention. Money doesn’t grow on trees and sooner or later we are going to learn that the hard way.
You have talked about changing demographics with a growing population of Hispanic voters and how it will be impossible for the GOP to win elections in the future. Why when a conservative discusses the same idea does it become so offensive? Are you advocating canceling yourself?timschochet said:
quick-hands
Footballguy
Regardless. It's your position. If someone feels it's a threat. Or not. You see it the same as white supremacists.
That's kinda effed up tim.
timschochet
Footballguy
That quote is even worse than my summary. The idea that there are “Americans” on one side and “immigrants” on the other goes against everything I was taught to believe about the greatness of this country. It’s not only clearly racist, it’s disgusting.
timschochet
Footballguy
No I don’t see it like them at all.
When I have stated in the past that diversity will lead to more Democratic victories, that’s a temporary phenomenon- only because Republicans are currently on this awful nativist and bigoted track. That won’t last. Eventually, Republicans will return to arguing for smaller government while Democrats argue for larger, and the two parties will spilt again by amicable ideological differences. But the conservative movement has to get away from this anti-immigrant (including anti-undocumented immigrant) agenda. It’s terrible and it’s a loser.
I welcome diversity. Guys like Carlson are afraid of it. We’re not the same.
timschochet
Footballguy
This is wrong. Of course there are consequences. And plenty of costs. But there are also consequences and costs to NOT absorbing them as well. I believe that in the long run they’re far greater.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
What does that even mean. They don't come from Norway. They mostly come from majority Catholic countries.
No one is proposing demographic change as a goal. The D party is proposing immigration policy consistent with Reagan, W, and most of the previous history of the US.
The R party is doing a fine job alienating suburban white voters and urban black voters. We don't need to import voters. We do want to go back to the American ideal of send us those yearning to be free.
timschochet
Footballguy
For you @ekbeats
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States
Studies consistently show that undocumented immigrants are an economic boon to the USA: they help to grow the economy and they pay more taxes than they take in.
I know this is counter to the rhetoric you hear, especially on the conservative side. Nonetheless those are the facts. I’m not naive about this subject at all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States
Studies consistently show that undocumented immigrants are an economic boon to the USA: they help to grow the economy and they pay more taxes than they take in.
I know this is counter to the rhetoric you hear, especially on the conservative side. Nonetheless those are the facts. I’m not naive about this subject at all.
timschochet
Footballguy
I have to respond to this post because, as much as I like you @Shula-holic it’s ridiculous. These folks aren’t leftist. Most of them are socially and economically conservative. The ones that come from leftist countries most of all. The ONLY reason they would vote Democrat (assuming they ever get the right to vote) is because they believe, correctly, that Republicans don’t want them here. Change that dynamic and they’re naturals for the Republican Party. They do NOT believe in big government; it’s not the reason they’re coming here.
In 1950 the percentage of whites in America was 90%. In 2018 it was 60%. In 2044 it was fall below 50%. That’s an entirely different country in only 94 years. Combine that with America going from a melting pot to tribalism based on the relentless pimping of identity politics and you have guaranteed conflict. And we can’t talk about it.
I’m generally a very optimistic person but I don’t see this ending well.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
We’re still very much a melting pot. The tribalism you’re referring to is almost completely from angry, scared whites; everybody else is just reacting to that.
But most whites aren’t scared. Those that are are a minority and shrinking. This will all work out.
Thanks. I was speaking about unaccompanied migrant children costs, but your point is valid.
You couldn’t be more wrong. We are not a melting pot. And the tribalism came from the Left relentlessly pounding identity politics. I agree though that whites have become much more racist recently. Personally I think it’s in response to identity politics - you think the opposite. Keep blaming angry whites though. Like the old song says “Whatever gets you through the night.”
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
America the people never welcomed immigrants. The melting pot is an ideal not a shared history. Irish and Italians that came in the early 1900s were not welcomed. They were too Catholic, too criminal. We were not a melting pot on the trail of tears. We were not a melting pot during the Reconstruction. We were not a melting pot when we created the Chinese exclusion act. But the words were always there in the DoI, all men are created equal. Maybe I value those ideals more than you do, even if we continue to struggle to live up to them.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Where do you hear of the left relentlessly pounding identity politics? How is that a constant source of frustration for a certain section of white people that causes them to "become much more racist recently?" Is it people you talk to every day, or the culture at your workplace or community? I would guess it is neither of those things, and instead driven by the media you consume and I avoid.
dkp993
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