Tucker Carlson: probably not in deep trouble anymore, but he should be. (1 Viewer)

[Sparky Big Time]

 

[JIslander]

I stopped listening when in a clip, Tucker said in response to being labeled a white supremacist, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful."  And Oliver followed that statement by saying, "...'I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist' is a pretty weak argument."

Its exactly what happens in this thread.  He took some words that were spoken by Tucker and completely tosses them around in a bowl and comes out with a completely different intent-one that fits his stupid ####### narrative.  A lot of you in here do the same thing.

You shouldn't have stopped listening.   And no, you didnt watch it, so how can you comment? Its what Tucker is saying.  No spin. 

 

[timschochet]

My responses are in bold.

So actually, the shame is that when challenged to supply your three best examples of the claim you and so many others are confidently making, you come up with only two and they are really bad examples.  

They’re not bad examples at all. What’s bad is that you can’t, or won’t see the implicit apology being made for Putin, especially in the second example. 
 

Which is really depressing to me. I don’t question YOUR motives, unckeyherb- I know you’re a decent guy who thinks that what Putin is doing is evil. I know YOU would never apologize for him. But here you are going out of your way to defend this schmuck who is. And why? Because he’s a conservative (nominally)? Because he’s on “your side”? 

 

[ren hoek]

I’ve been most interested in what China’s response would be to all this.  I seen someone else’s post above about restricting Russian bank transactions, that’s interesting.  I believe I’d read some blurbs about them collaborating on some sort of intrastate banking arrangement or something or other a while back.  If there ends up being a currency war we’re going to have some real problems.  Long term I think they both perceive the West as a greater threat than each other.  

 

[JIslander]

So when I type, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful." you hear, "I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist"?

You and Tim should clean your ears out.

You needed to keep watching -- 

 

[unckeyherb]

You shouldn't have stopped listening.   And no, you didnt watch it, so how can you comment? Its what Tucker is saying.  No spin. 

I'll say the same to you as Tim and Fish, 

When I type, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful." you hear, "I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist.  That is a you problem that I don't think is worth pursuing further.  Its the dictionary definition of spin.

 

[timschochet]

Probably not the best look -- putting it mildly -- to be saying "What did Putin...[ever do to you]?" during his first salvos on the issue as war encroaches upon the world. He was totally different in the clip jamny linked to. I'm guessing he got enough blowback from enough serious people to adjust his tone. 

Interesting, because i've watched both now and it seems like two different people. I think what people misunderstand is that when you're involved in a medium like Carlson, you really do start to believe your own #### and you start to get a warped sense of who your enemies are. I've seen people get radicalized in their time in D.C. while covering the beat, as it were. There's always something to be outraged about, for sure. Democracy itself provides that. 

But then outrage turns to poor judgment, and we get prescriptions like Tucker gives. When he's sober and rational about it, he's still wrong, but at least he's eminently more defensible at times (like in jamny's link) than when he's off the cuff and angry. 

It’s sad what he’s become. As I mentioned earlier in the thread I used to really like the guy. Never much agreed with him but I found him pretty thoughtful. But this stuff is just garbage. 

 

[JIslander]

Probably not the best look -- putting it mildly -- to be saying "What did Putin...[ever do to you]?" during his first salvos on the issue as war encroaches upon the world. He was totally different in the clip jamny linked to. I'm guessing he got enough blowback from enough serious people to adjust his tone. 

Interesting, because i've watched both now and it seems like two different people. I think what people misunderstand is that when you're involved in a medium like Carlson, you really do start to believe your own #### and you start to get a warped sense of who your enemies are. I've seen people get radicalized in their time in D.C. while covering the beat, as it were. There's always something to be outraged about, for sure. Democracy itself provides that. 

But then outrage turns to poor judgment, and we get prescriptions like Tucker gives. When he's sober and rational about it, he's still wrong, but at least he's eminently more defensible at times (like in jamny's link) than when he's off the cuff and angry. 

My take as well.  

 

[timschochet]

I'll say the same to you as Tim and Fish, 

When I type, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful." you hear, "I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist.  That is a you problem that I don't think is worth pursuing further.  Its the dictionary definition of spin.

I don’t know why you keep bringing me up with regard to that quote. I made no comment about that quote; I wasn’t aware of it. Based on what you’re saying I would guess that your interpretation is correct. On that particular quote. 

 

[-fish-]

Instead of linking to clips, since some people don't seem to be watching the same ones, these are his words (that are being broadcast on Russian state TV as supportive of Putin):

"Putin is having a border dispute with a nation called Ukraine."

Then he said this:

"Very soon that hatred of Vladimir Putin could bring the United States into a conflict in eastern Europe,

Before that happens it might be worth asking ourselves, since this is getting pretty serious, what is this really about?

Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every middle-class job in my town to Russia? Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that wrecked my business and kept me indoors for two years?

Is he teaching my children to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl? Is he trying to snuff out Christianity? Does he eat dogs?

These are fair questions and the answer to all of them is no, Vladimir Putin didn't do any of that. So why does Washington hate him so much?"

A couple weeks ago he said this about our military, and how we would probably lose a war to Russia:

"Fighting Russia is not the same as droning Muammar Gaddafi. It could quickly become a war we couldn’t control. Our side of that war would be overseen by the same generals who failed to beat the Taliban, guerrilla fighters in sandals who don’t use toilet paper."

He also said this:

"Why is it disloyal to side with Russia but loyal to side with Ukraine?"

If you really can't see the problem here, there's no reason to have any further discussion.

 

[-fish-]

I'll say the same to you as Tim and Fish, 

When I type, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful." you hear, "I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist.  That is a you problem that I don't think is worth pursuing further.  Its the dictionary definition of spin.

I don’t know why you keep bringing me up with regard to that quote. I made no comment about that quote; I wasn’t aware of it. Based on what you’re saying I would guess that your interpretation is correct. On that particular quote. 

Yeah I have no idea what he's talking about with the white supremacy thing either.   

 

[unckeyherb]

They’re not bad examples at all. What’s bad is that you can’t, or won’t see the implicit apology being made for Putin, especially in the second example. 
 

Which is really depressing to me. I don’t question YOUR motives, unckeyherb- I know you’re a decent guy who thinks that what Putin is doing is evil. I know YOU would never apologize for him. But here you are going out of your way to defend this schmuck who is. And why? Because he’s a conservative (nominally)? Because he’s on “your side”? 

Tim, they are bad examples.  They are bad examples because you are assigning malintent where it doesn't exist and you are doing so because you despise Carlson.  I won't see the implicit apology in the second quote because it isn't there.  You are creating it to make a point that matches your side's take on Tucker.

And I appreciate that you do not question my motives.  I am defending him because I believe you and many on here are simply wrong, assigning malice to what he says, taking things out of context or simply redefining what he says to fit your preconceived notion.  He is against our being involved in Ukraine.  That does not make him an apologist for Putin no matter how many times you say it.  

And he is not on my side, I don't think.  This may come as a shock to you but I don't consider myself a conservative.

 

[JIslander]

I'll say the same to you as Tim and Fish, 

When I type, "White supremacist?  What's worse than that?  The phrase evokes images of burning crosses and lynchings.  It's awful." you hear, "I don't burn crosses or lynch people, so I can't be a white supremacist.  That is a you problem that I don't think is worth pursuing further.  Its the dictionary definition of spin.

You are stopping short of him making his point.   Too bad.

 

[timschochet]

Instead of linking to clips, since some people don't seem to be watching the same ones, these are his words (that are being broadcast on Russian state TV as supportive of Putin):

"Putin is having a border dispute with a nation called Ukraine."

Then he said this:

"Very soon that hatred of Vladimir Putin could bring the United States into a conflict in eastern Europe,

Before that happens it might be worth asking ourselves, since this is getting pretty serious, what is this really about?

Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every middle-class job in my town to Russia? Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that wrecked my business and kept me indoors for two years?

Is he teaching my children to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl? Is he trying to snuff out Christianity? Does he eat dogs?

These are fair questions and the answer to all of them is no, Vladimir Putin didn't do any of that. So why does Washington hate him so much?"

A couple weeks ago he said this about our military, and how we would probably lose a war to Russia:

"Fighting Russia is not the same as droning Muammar Gaddafi. It could quickly become a war we couldn’t control. Our side of that war would be overseen by the same generals who failed to beat the Taliban, guerrilla fighters in sandals who don’t use toilet paper."

He also said this:

"Why is it disloyal to side with Russia but loyal to side with Ukraine?"

If you really can't see the problem here, there's no reason to have any further discussion.

Thank you. 
@unckeyherb this is pretty indisputable. Do you still think Tucker deserves your defense? 

 

[shadrap]

Putin could have written this segment:  https://youtu.be/PqfyZ618Bks

Alrighty then. If you did actually watch the whole clip and that's what you got out of it, there's not much to talk about. I don't see it that way at all.

I watched the whole clip & did see anything close to "Putin could have written this segment".  agree not much to talk about if that is the way you see it.

 

[dozer]

Carlson’s statement from the other day: “Why do I hate Putin so much? Hold on now... Has Putin ever called me a racist? Well, when you... Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? When did that hap...Has he shipped every job in my middle class town to Russia? Holy Cow wait a min...Did he manufacture a world wide pandemic Who Say what now??that ruined my business and kept me shut indoors for two years? Are You Trying TO TELL ME...Is he teaching my kids to embrace racial discrimination? BETTER STOP THAT RIGHT N!!! Is he making fentanyl? FENTAWHAT THA !!!! Is he trying to snuff out Christianity?” GAAAAHHHH!!!!111ONE!!

Thanks a lot. Now I'm outraged...

 

[unckeyherb]

I don’t know why you keep bringing me up with regard to that quote. I made no comment about that quote; I wasn’t aware of it. Based on what you’re saying I would guess that your interpretation is correct. On that particular quote. 

because you quoted my post about it and said that I was misconstruing what he says on purpose.  

 

[unckeyherb]

Yeah I have no idea what he's talking about with the white supremacy thing either.   

You have no idea what I'm talking about?  Really?  I asked you a simple question about that particular item and you did not answer me.  I want you to say that you actually hear what John Oliver said when you hear what Tucker said.  Its quoted in my previous post to you.  

 

[-fish-]

The fact that the Russians are using his UNEDITED clips and adding accurately translated subtitles as pro-Putin propaganda should have put this beyond all debate. 

He even tried to walk this back the next day, but you still have people defending him.   

Even he knows he was wrong.

 

[-fish-]

You have no idea what I'm talking about?  Really?  I asked you a simple question about that particular item and you did not answer me.  I want you to say that you actually hear what John Oliver said when you hear what Tucker said.  Its quoted in my previous post to you.  

I have not discussed anything about white supremacy and haven't watched or read any clip about white supremacy.   Why would I answer a question about it?   I was having a discussion about Carlson being a Putin apologist.

I have no idea why you're referring to John Oliver either.

 

[Sabertooth]

Add Marjorie Taylor Green and unfortunately a few more Republicans.

Give it a few days.  They haven’t all checked their emails yet to get their opinion.  

 

[unckeyherb]

Thank you. 
@unckeyherb this is pretty indisputable. Do you still think Tucker deserves your defense? 

I will keep this as simple as I can as I feel like this is not going anywhere.  

Regarding his "list of things that Putin didn't do" you can view that as apologizing for Putin, I simply see it as him listing a number of grievances that everyday Americans are left to deal with (albeit some of them tongue in cheek) that are more concerning for them than Ukraine.  That's all he is doing.  And he is doing so to illustrate his point and opinion that we should not be getting involved in other countries' issues, especially ones that have little to no impact on the US from a strategic/economic standpoint.

Regarding this quote:

 "Fighting Russia is not the same as droning Muammar Gaddafi. It could quickly become a war we couldn’t control. Our side of that war would be overseen by the same generals who failed to beat the Taliban, guerrilla fighters in sandals who don’t use toilet paper."  

I'd say he is spot on.  What about that quote do you find offensive and/or apologizing for Putin?

 

[Amused to Death]

"Fighting Russia is not the same as droning Muammar Gaddafi. It could quickly become a war we couldn’t control. Our side of that war would be overseen by the same generals who failed to beat the Taliban, guerrilla fighters in sandals who don’t use toilet paper."

This is fearmongering. We were never entering a war with Russia over Ukraine and he knows it. Also, way to stick up for our military. I guess he feels we would have no chance against Russia if we did enter combat.

But tell me again how he's not propping up Russia while denigrating the US.

 

[Sabertooth]

The fact that the Russians are using his UNEDITED clips and adding accurately translated subtitles as pro-Putin propaganda should have put this beyond all debate. 

He even tried to walk this back the next day, but you still have people defending him.   

Even he knows he was wrong.

He doesn’t know wrong from right anymore.  He knows what sells and what won’t sell.  

 

[Amused to Death]

I will keep this as simple as I can as I feel like this is not going anywhere.  

Regarding his "list of things that Putin didn't do" you can view that as apologizing for Putin, I simply see it as him listing a number of grievances that everyday Americans are left to deal with (albeit some of them tongue in cheek) that are more concerning for them than Ukraine.  That's all he is doing.  And he is doing so to illustrate his point and opinion that we should not be getting involved in other countries' issues, especially ones that have little to no impact on the US from a strategic/economic standpoint.

Regarding this quote:

I'd say he is spot on.  What about that quote do you find offensive and/or apologizing for Putin?

This is fearmongering. We were never entering a war with Russia over Ukraine and he knows it. Also, way to stick up for our military. I guess he feels we would have no chance against Russia if we did enter combat.

But tell me again how he's not propping up Russia while denigrating the US.

 

[The Football Freak]

The fact that the Russians are using his UNEDITED clips and adding accurately translated subtitles as pro-Putin propaganda should have put this beyond all debate. 

He even tried to walk this back the next day, but you still have people defending him.   

Even he knows he was wrong.

Of course you are right. Even Tucker clearly understood he was way off base. We have people supporting Putin, and people apologizing for those people, with this chosen war as the backdrop. I think some Americans are kind of lost right now. 

 

[unckeyherb]

I have not discussed anything about white supremacy and haven't watched or read any clip about white supremacy.   Why would I answer a question about it?   I was having a discussion about Carlson being a Putin apologist.

I have no idea why you're referring to John Oliver either.

You posted, in what I read as a response my post:

"Stop using the words he actually said against him.   

What an utterly bizarre take."

Are you saying that was not intended for me?  

 

[unckeyherb]

So you believe that a)There is no scenario of our involvement with Ukraine that could lead to a real war with Russia and b) there is not scenario that we could lose control of that war.  Got it.

 

[-fish-]

You posted, in what I read as a response my post:

Are you saying that was not intended for me?  

I am saying that about all of the Carlson apologists.

Again, his actual words are being used as Russian propaganda.   That's it.   Game over.  There is no debate that his words favor Putin and attack our own government and our own military.   For you or anyone else to say "I don't see it" makes me wonder what color the sky is in your world, because we clearly don't live in the same reality.  

 

[Rockchild]

I will keep this as simple as I can as I feel like this is not going anywhere.  

Regarding his "list of things that Putin didn't do" you can view that as apologizing for Putin, I simply see it as him listing a number of grievances that everyday Americans are left to deal with (albeit some of them tongue in cheek) that are more concerning for them than Ukraine.  That's all he is doing.  And he is doing so to illustrate his point and opinion that we should not be getting involved in other countries' issues, especially ones that have little to no impact on the US from a strategic/economic standpoint.

Regarding this quote:

I'd say he is spot on.  What about that quote do you find offensive and/or apologizing for Putin?

But that's not all he's doing. He specifically asks why Washington should hate Putin. He then goes on to list some grievances that somehow support this view? No, just because Putin isn't responsible for these grievances doesn't give him a pass on being hated. Putin has done enough in the world to have most of the world to hate him and rightfully so. If he can't see what Putin is and call him for what he is then why would I give him a pass on this.

 

[jamny]

I will keep this as simple as I can as I feel like this is not going anywhere.  

Regarding his "list of things that Putin didn't do" you can view that as apologizing for Putin, I simply see it as him listing a number of grievances that everyday Americans are left to deal with (albeit some of them tongue in cheek) that are more concerning for them than Ukraine.  That's all he is doing.  And he is doing so to illustrate his point and opinion that we should not be getting involved in other countries' issues, especially ones that have little to no impact on the US from a strategic/economic standpoint.

Exactly. It's not really even about Putin but the lack of attention paid to things that actually affect ordinary people. He comes at it from a distrust of our governments intentions that could lead us to a war with Russia. You can disagree with his thinking but claiming it is pro-Putin is not accurate. He also comes at it from someone that believes Ukraine is corrupt itself, regularly bringing up how they have silenced dissent and of course the whole Hunter Biden stuff.

 

[JIslander]

But that's not all he's doing. He specifically asks why Washington should hate Putin. He then goes on to list some grievances that somehow support this view? No, just because Putin isn't responsible for these grievances doesn't give him a pass on being hated. Putin has done enough in the world to have most of the world to hate him and rightfully so. If he can't see what Putin is and call him for what he is then why would I give him a pass on this.

 

[JIslander]

Exactly. It's not really even about Putin but the lack of attention paid to things that actually affect ordinary people. He comes at it from a distrust of our governments intentions that could lead us to a war with Russia. You can disagree with his thinking but claiming it is pro-Putin is not accurate. He also comes at it from someone that believes Ukraine is corrupt itself, regularly bringing up how they have silenced dissent and of course the whole Hunter Biden stuff.

So you say the Russians misinterpreted Tucker making him employee of the month and using his show for propaganda?

 

[unckeyherb]

But that's not all he's doing. He specifically asks why Washington should hate Putin. He then goes on to list some grievances that somehow support this view? No, just because Putin isn't responsible for these grievances doesn't give him a pass on being hated. Putin has done enough in the world to have most of the world to hate him and rightfully so. If he can't see what Putin is and call him for what he is then why would I give him a pass on this.

We're all going in circles here.  To be clear, regarding the bolded, he does this.  Repeatedly.  In each of the episodes.  Regarding the above, for like the third or fourth time, he is simply pointing out that there are things right here in America that everyday Americans are worried about.  That's what he is talking about about when he references jobs being shipped overseas or the fentanyl epidemic.  These are things that actually affect Americans.  Russia invading Ukraine actually doesn't affect us and we should be keeping our nose out of it.  That can certainly be interpreted as Pro-Putin (which most of you are happy to do) or it can be a standalone viewpoint.  When combined with Tucker referring to Putin as a bad actor and the one to blame for this conflict, I'm not sure how you can continue to square the circle that he's carrying water for Putin.  

 

[unckeyherb]

I am saying that about all of the Carlson apologists.

Again, his actual words are being used as Russian propaganda.   That's it.   Game over.  There is no debate that his words favor Putin and attack our own government and our own military.   For you or anyone else to say "I don't see it" makes me wonder what color the sky is in your world, because we clearly don't live in the same reality.  

Its not game over.  I don't believe we should be involved in way with regards to Ukraine.  That is my view EVEN THOUGH I ALSO ABHOR WHAT PUTIN IS DOING.  His words favor Putin in the same way as what I typed favors Putin.  

 

[jamny]

But that's not all he's doing. He specifically asks why Washington should hate Putin. He then goes on to list some grievances that somehow support this view? No, just because Putin isn't responsible for these grievances doesn't give him a pass on being hated. Putin has done enough in the world to have most of the world to hate him and rightfully so. If he can't see what Putin is and call him for what he is then why would I give him a pass on this.

He's not asking why Washington should hate Putin, he's asking why the average citizen, who has so many things to worry about right now, should hate Putin. Then he gives a list of things, yes some tongue in cheek, that do affect them. Some people do not give Putin a second thought. They don't hate him.

 

[shadrap]

  38 minutes ago, -fish- said:

"Fighting Russia is not the same as droning Muammar Gaddafi. It could quickly become a war we couldn’t control. Our side of that war would be overseen by the same generals who failed to beat the Taliban, guerrilla fighters in sandals who don’t use toilet paper."

Amused to Death:

This is fearmongering. We were never entering a war with Russia over Ukraine and he knows it. Also, way to stick up for our military. I guess he feels we would have no chance against Russia if we did enter combat.

But tell me again how he's not propping up Russia while denigrating the US.

nothing he said is untrue.  If so what is untrue?    apparently you think a war with Russia is a walk in the park.  fearmongering??  wish someone had the guts to say this kind of stuff starting with Vietnam up & to the present.  58,000 dead from that little Vietnam skirmish that started with 500 US advisors on the ground..& by 1969 we had 540,000 kids on the ground.  

fearmongering?    good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[unckeyherb]

So you say the Russians misinterpreted Tucker making him employee of the month and using his show for propaganda?

It doesn't have to be misinterpreted just free associated.  saying, "America should not be involved in Ukraine" is not intrinsically Pro-Putin.  Until Fish says it is because Pro-Putin TV repeats the words.  

 

[JIslander]

We're all going in circles here.  To be clear, regarding the bolded, he does this.  Repeatedly.  In each of the episodes.  Regarding the above, for like the third or fourth time, he is simply pointing out that there are things right here in America that everyday Americans are worried about.  That's what he is talking about about when he references jobs being shipped overseas or the fentanyl epidemic.  These are things that actually affect Americans.  Russia invading Ukraine actually doesn't affect us and we should be keeping our nose out of it.  That can certainly be interpreted as Pro-Putin (which most of you are happy to do) or it can be a standalone viewpoint.  When combined with Tucker referring to Putin as a bad actor and the one to blame for this conflict, I'm not sure how you can continue to square the circle that he's carrying water for Putin.  

If you would watch the John Oliver clip, he explains this whole tactic.   Start at 11:20. --just asking hard questions...

 

[-fish-]

We're all going in circles here.  To be clear, regarding the bolded, he does this.  Repeatedly.  In each of the episodes.  Regarding the above, for like the third or fourth time, he is simply pointing out that there are things right here in America that everyday Americans are worried about.  That's what he is talking about about when he references jobs being shipped overseas or the fentanyl epidemic.  These are things that actually affect Americans.  Russia invading Ukraine actually doesn't affect us and we should be keeping our nose out of it.  That can certainly be interpreted as Pro-Putin (which most of you are happy to do) or it can be a standalone viewpoint.  When combined with Tucker referring to Putin as a bad actor and the one to blame for this conflict, I'm not sure how you can continue to square the circle that he's carrying water for Putin.  

It affects us in a direct and extremely impactful way.  This is beyond isolationism; this is just complete irrational denial of indisputable facts.

 

[JIslander]

It doesn't have to be misinterpreted just free associated.  saying, "America should not be involved in Ukraine" is not intrinsically Pro-Putin.  Until Fish says it is because Pro-Putin TV repeats the words.  

How would you feel if the Russians were using re-airing CNN to spread propaganda during a war?

 

[jamny]

So you say the Russians misinterpreted Tucker making him employee of the month and using his show for propaganda?

Purposely. People here can't even get the point he was making so that makes it a perfect device to use to continually divide us. You're using it as an example so it works like a charm.

 

[Gilroy34]

I will keep this as simple as I can as I feel like this is not going anywhere.  

Regarding his "list of things that Putin didn't do" you can view that as apologizing for Putin, I simply see it as him listing a number of grievances that everyday Americans are left to deal with (albeit some of them tongue in cheek) that are more concerning for them than Ukraine.  That's all he is doing.  And he is doing so to illustrate his point and opinion that we should not be getting involved in other countries' issues, especially ones that have little to no impact on the US from a strategic/economic standpoint.

Regarding this quote:

I'd say he is spot on.  What about that quote do you find offensive and/or apologizing for Putin?

 

[BladeRunner]

How would you feel if the Russians were using re-airing CNN to spread propaganda during a war?

Y'know, at this point, you, Tommy and fish probably shouldn't be talking about spreading propaganda.  You guys have been doing it the last several pages or more.  I mean, The Russians themselves would be jealous of the way you guys spin things.

Its like you're in an alternate reality than the rest of us.  I've never seen a bunch of guys twist things up so much that you see something completely different that the actual reality.  Your hate has really colored all of your guys posts.

 

[JIslander]

Purposely. People here can't even get the point he was making so that makes it a perfect device to use to continually divide us. You're using it as an example so it works like a charm.

Wow --Its our fault Tucker is dividing us on RT.  Got it. 

 

[BladeRunner]

Wow --Its our fault Tucker is dividing us on RT.  Got it. 

Where were you from 2016-2021 when the left and MSM was "dividing us"?  Not a peep, I assume.  But Tucker Carlson is where you draw the line on "dividing us"?

You guys have no right to talk about dividing people considering the way you and your side behaved during those years.  Unless you're apologizing.

 

[-fish-]

Y'know, at this point, you, Tommy and fish probably shouldn't be talking about spreading propaganda.  You guys have been doing it the last several pages or more.  I mean, The Russians themselves would be jealous of the way you guys spin things.

Its like you're in an alternate reality than the rest of us.  I've never seen a bunch of guys twist things up so much that you see something completely different that the actual reality.  Your hate has really colored all of your guys posts.

Yep, I agree we live in completely different realities.   I live in the one where a guy who has literally said nobody should believe what he says has consistently praised Putin and attacked our own government and military, and has on at least one occasion said he sides with Russia.   You live in FoxNews world, where you can endure any mental gymnastics if it will somehow turn into a criticism of democrats.

 

[-fish-]

Carlson could wear a sign that says "I  Putin"  and you guys would say he's being misinterpreted.

 

[BladeRunner]

Yep, I agree we live in completely different realities.   I live in the one where a guy who has literally said nobody should believe what he says has consistently praised Putin and attacked our own government and military, and has on at least one occasion said he sides with Russia.   You live in FoxNews world, where you can endure any mental gymnastics if it will somehow turn into a criticism of democrats.

I don't watch Fox - You can't even get that right - further proving that you are, indeed, living in some Propaganda DimensionTM. 

I hope the DNC is at least paying you guys well.

 

[unckeyherb]

Carlson could wear a sign that says "I  Putin"  and you guys would say he's being misinterpreted.

nope, just when you assign your preconceived BS to things he says.