Tush Push - Do the rules apply for this play or not? Doesn't seem like it (2 Viewers)

[Dizzy]

I think we are seeing more forms of this weekly. The Bills game for example... several times the offense rallied (quickly) to assemble and push a ball carrier that was being held up. This will become a "thing" for screen passes - get the ball in the hands of a RB, then all rally the bodies to push him forward.

NFL will become "scrum city" very soon because this cannot be stopped. It is incredibly effective - albeit not "pretty" and probably offends the senses of traditionalists.

 

[kinghill]

Love the tush push
very effective

 

[Dizzy]

Love the tush push
very effective

Really, you "love" the tush push. I haven't heard anyone say that before.

I was trying to figure out how/why the Eagles have SO MANY plays that seem to end up with 1st & G inside the 2-yd line... but now I know - there's an audience for this scrum stuff.

#NFLscripted

 

[need2know]

Wasn't even a false start. The hate is unreal

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I think we are seeing more forms of this weekly. The Bills game for example... several times the offense rallied (quickly) to assemble and push a ball carrier that was being held up. This will become a "thing" for screen passes - get the ball in the hands of a RB, then all rally the bodies to push him forward.

NFL will become "scrum city" very soon because this cannot be stopped. It is incredibly effective - albeit not "pretty" and probably offends the senses of traditionalists.

Exactly. This is a far bigger story than the Eagles doing a tush push on short yardage plays.

 

[belljr]

Wasn't even a false start. The hate is unreal

Kelce admitted to being warned about moving the ball forward

 

[unckeyherb]

Wasn't even a false start. The hate is unreal

Kelce admitted to being warned about moving the ball forward

Yep. But to be fair, he said they've been warning him "for years" about doing this. Like, he was doing this prior to the tush push play, FWIW.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Wasn't even a false start. The hate is unreal

Kelce admitted to being warned about moving the ball forward

Yep. But to be fair, he said they've been warning him "for years" about doing this. Like, he was doing this prior to the tush push play, FWIW.

He also said the line to gain was very short so he understands why it was called

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Wasn't even a false start. The hate is unreal

Kelce admitted to being warned about moving the ball forward

Yep. But to be fair, he said they've been warning him "for years" about doing this. Like, he was doing this prior to the tush push play, FWIW.

So he’s been cheating for years more generally, nothing to do with the tush push specifically. He’s just a dude who cheats?

 

[JohnnyU]

Wasn't even a false start. The hate is unreal

Kelce admitted to being warned about moving the ball forward

Yep. But to be fair, he said they've been warning him "for years" about doing this. Like, he was doing this prior to the tush push play, FWIW.

He also said the line to gain was very short so he understands why it was called

Oh yeah, the phrase of 2023 is "line to gain".

 

[eighsse2]

Not understanding the "it works every time and is therefore bad" concept. If it would just fail more often, it would be acceptable?

 

[Wingnut]

Jalen has 1 TD pass in his last 3 games, and it was in garbage time late vs SF. I get why Eagles fans love this play so much, its pretty much the only way they can score lately.

Eagles TDs in the past 3 weeks

Vs SEA:
3 yd tush push
1 yd tush Push

Vs DAL:
J Carter fumble recovery td

Vs SF:
1 yd tush push
D Smith 2 yd TD catch


If they outlaw the play it's gonna cripple the Eagles.

 

[unckeyherb]

Wasn't even a false start. The hate is unreal

Kelce admitted to being warned about moving the ball forward

Yep. But to be fair, he said they've been warning him "for years" about doing this. Like, he was doing this prior to the tush push play, FWIW.

So he’s been cheating for years more generally, nothing to do with the tush push specifically. He’s just a dude who cheats?

similar to how you can call offensive holding on almost every play, or how teams run pick plays often, yeah sure. Players and coaches push the envelope on what is allowable to gain even a modicum of an advantage all the time. This is surprising?

And again, whether its a flag or not has little to do with effecting the play in question. Setting the line, then getting down and sliding the ball forward 12" has literally no impact on the outcome of the play.

 

[JohnnyU]

Not understanding the "it works every time and is therefore bad" concept. If it would just fail more often, it would be acceptable?

My comment was supposed to be humorous.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Wasn't even a false start. The hate is unreal

Kelce admitted to being warned about moving the ball forward

Yep. But to be fair, he said they've been warning him "for years" about doing this. Like, he was doing this prior to the tush push play, FWIW.

So he’s been cheating for years more generally, nothing to do with the tush push specifically. He’s just a dude who cheats?

similar to how you can call offensive holding on almost every play, or how teams run pick plays often, yeah sure. Players and coaches push the envelope on what is allowable to gain even a modicum of an advantage all the time. This is surprising?

And again, whether its a flag or not has little to do with effecting the play in question. Setting the line, then getting down and sliding the ball forward 12" has literally no impact on the outcome of the play.

I agree that it has little/no impact on the play, and have noted that recently in this thread.

 

[Gally]

There are a lot of similarities to the tush push of the 2020s and the slam dunk of the 1950s. Maybe this analogy has been made before but it’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Both are highly efficient plays that certain players really excel at. Those that cannot execute the plays seem to lack any appreciation for the skill involved. In both cases there are instances of players retaliating in an attempt to injure when the play is used. Fans of the respective sports lose their **** about how the play is going to change the game. We know what happened with the college dunk ban and a ban for the push is likely on the way.
This analogy is worth considering because it took many years before the dunk became a staple of the NBA game along with other entertaining wrinkles like the alley oop. We are in year two of pushing tushes. It seems really premature to ban the play without justification and not knowing what it could become. It might fizzle out like the wildcat or it could just be an annoying cheat code (like if a NBA player were dunking on a free throw, which was disallowed). Or, a coach might incorporate the play along with increased pace or something like that which could be an interesting development.

The biggest difference and why this isn't a great comparison is because the dunk is an exciting play that everyone loves. The tush push is a boring play that takes away the excitement of a game.

I don't care of the play but it is highly effective. My belief is that eventually teams will figure out the nuances that the Eagles have figured out and it turns the game into a 1st and 7 yd game. It will make the games a little boring if/when every team figures it out.

Now if I am wrong (as it appears I am thus far) then keep doing it Philly. It is a great play for you and why stop. It's a huge advantage for you that you deserve to have.

 

[Gally]

Another 0-3 in the Vikings/Bengals game. Both teams try it and fail.

While the teams appeared to line up for the push play they were not executed like the tush push. The Vikings ran QB sneaks with a WR close to the QB. Not even close to what the Eagles do. Just terrible attempts at QB sneaks where the center got blown up three yards into the backfield on one of the plays. Great job by Cincy and terrible by Bradburry. Just ugly.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

There are a lot of similarities to the tush push of the 2020s and the slam dunk of the 1950s. Maybe this analogy has been made before but it’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Both are highly efficient plays that certain players really excel at. Those that cannot execute the plays seem to lack any appreciation for the skill involved. In both cases there are instances of players retaliating in an attempt to injure when the play is used. Fans of the respective sports lose their **** about how the play is going to change the game. We know what happened with the college dunk ban and a ban for the push is likely on the way.
This analogy is worth considering because it took many years before the dunk became a staple of the NBA game along with other entertaining wrinkles like the alley oop. We are in year two of pushing tushes. It seems really premature to ban the play without justification and not knowing what it could become. It might fizzle out like the wildcat or it could just be an annoying cheat code (like if a NBA player were dunking on a free throw, which was disallowed). Or, a coach might incorporate the play along with increased pace or something like that which could be an interesting development.

The biggest difference and why this isn't a great comparison is because the dunk is an exciting play that everyone loves. The tush push is a boring play that takes away the excitement of a game.

I don't care of the play but it is highly effective. My belief is that eventually teams will figure out the nuances that the Eagles have figured out and it turns the game into a 1st and 7 yd game. It will make the games a little boring if/when every team figures it out.

Now if I am wrong (as it appears I am thus far) then keep doing it Philly. It is a great play for you and why stop. It's a huge advantage for you that you deserve to have.

I think that's why the analogy is worth considering. When the slam dunk first became prevalent, not everyone loved it and not everyone found it exciting. Many thought of it as breaking the spirit of the rules since a dunker was not actually shooting the ball. Defenders were so incensed by it that they would try to injure the dunker by running under his legs. Of course, the game evolved and it is now a play that is universally loved. Could that happen also with the tush push? It would require more players with the skillset of Jalen and Josh Allen, which the NFL is already trending toward. It would also require some more creativity from the coaches. If we ban it, we'll never find out.

 

[Gally]

There are a lot of similarities to the tush push of the 2020s and the slam dunk of the 1950s. Maybe this analogy has been made before but it’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Both are highly efficient plays that certain players really excel at. Those that cannot execute the plays seem to lack any appreciation for the skill involved. In both cases there are instances of players retaliating in an attempt to injure when the play is used. Fans of the respective sports lose their **** about how the play is going to change the game. We know what happened with the college dunk ban and a ban for the push is likely on the way.
This analogy is worth considering because it took many years before the dunk became a staple of the NBA game along with other entertaining wrinkles like the alley oop. We are in year two of pushing tushes. It seems really premature to ban the play without justification and not knowing what it could become. It might fizzle out like the wildcat or it could just be an annoying cheat code (like if a NBA player were dunking on a free throw, which was disallowed). Or, a coach might incorporate the play along with increased pace or something like that which could be an interesting development.

The biggest difference and why this isn't a great comparison is because the dunk is an exciting play that everyone loves. The tush push is a boring play that takes away the excitement of a game.

I don't care of the play but it is highly effective. My belief is that eventually teams will figure out the nuances that the Eagles have figured out and it turns the game into a 1st and 7 yd game. It will make the games a little boring if/when every team figures it out.

Now if I am wrong (as it appears I am thus far) then keep doing it Philly. It is a great play for you and why stop. It's a huge advantage for you that you deserve to have.

I think that's why the analogy is worth considering. When the slam dunk first became prevalent, not everyone loved it and not everyone found it exciting. Many thought of it as breaking the spirit of the rules since a dunker was not actually shooting the ball. Defenders were so incensed by it that they would try to injure the dunker by running under his legs. Of course, the game evolved and it is now a play that is universally loved. Could that happen also with the tush push? It would require more players with the skillset of Jalen and Josh Allen, which the NFL is already trending toward. It would also require some more creativity from the coaches. If we ban it, we'll never find out.

So are they going to start doing 360 flying tush pushes in the future? Will there be ally oop's of the QB flying through the air? It's not even close to being worth a consideration as this is not close to being exciting. It's a boring play that works extremely well and isn't where the NFL wants to go.

 

[unckeyherb]

Left guard Landon Dickerson will miss this weeks Christmas game against the Giants. He is literally a huge part of what makes this team so great at the tush push. Jalen always goes to the left over Dickerson, between Kelce and Mailata.

I’ll be interested to see if they run this play and are as successful without Dickerson.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think we are seeing more forms of this weekly. The Bills game for example... several times the offense rallied (quickly) to assemble and push a ball carrier that was being held up. This will become a "thing" for screen passes - get the ball in the hands of a RB, then all rally the bodies to push him forward.

NFL will become "scrum city" very soon because this cannot be stopped. It is incredibly effective - albeit not "pretty" and probably offends the senses of traditionalists.

Lol. No

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Sounds like the wildcat to me. It's a fad that works for a while, and will eventually become part of a package but not prominent in the game.

And if it does become something we see a lot, who cares? Let's have some scrums in the game. Let them fight for a yard or two and see clashes on the line. That's also part of football.

Edit: For the record, don't care about the Eagles one way or the other. I prefer "Brotherly Shove" as a name, though.

 

[Dizzy]

I think we are seeing more forms of this weekly. The Bills game for example... several times the offense rallied (quickly) to assemble and push a ball carrier that was being held up. This will become a "thing" for screen passes - get the ball in the hands of a RB, then all rally the bodies to push him forward.

NFL will become "scrum city" very soon because this cannot be stopped. It is incredibly effective - albeit not "pretty" and probably offends the senses of traditionalists.

Lol. No

No? You didn't watch the BUF game. This was employed about 3-4 times.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

There are a lot of similarities to the tush push of the 2020s and the slam dunk of the 1950s. Maybe this analogy has been made before but it’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Both are highly efficient plays that certain players really excel at. Those that cannot execute the plays seem to lack any appreciation for the skill involved. In both cases there are instances of players retaliating in an attempt to injure when the play is used. Fans of the respective sports lose their **** about how the play is going to change the game. We know what happened with the college dunk ban and a ban for the push is likely on the way.
This analogy is worth considering because it took many years before the dunk became a staple of the NBA game along with other entertaining wrinkles like the alley oop. We are in year two of pushing tushes. It seems really premature to ban the play without justification and not knowing what it could become. It might fizzle out like the wildcat or it could just be an annoying cheat code (like if a NBA player were dunking on a free throw, which was disallowed). Or, a coach might incorporate the play along with increased pace or something like that which could be an interesting development.

The biggest difference and why this isn't a great comparison is because the dunk is an exciting play that everyone loves. The tush push is a boring play that takes away the excitement of a game.

I don't care of the play but it is highly effective. My belief is that eventually teams will figure out the nuances that the Eagles have figured out and it turns the game into a 1st and 7 yd game. It will make the games a little boring if/when every team figures it out.

Now if I am wrong (as it appears I am thus far) then keep doing it Philly. It is a great play for you and why stop. It's a huge advantage for you that you deserve to have.

I think that's why the analogy is worth considering. When the slam dunk first became prevalent, not everyone loved it and not everyone found it exciting. Many thought of it as breaking the spirit of the rules since a dunker was not actually shooting the ball. Defenders were so incensed by it that they would try to injure the dunker by running under his legs. Of course, the game evolved and it is now a play that is universally loved. Could that happen also with the tush push? It would require more players with the skillset of Jalen and Josh Allen, which the NFL is already trending toward. It would also require some more creativity from the coaches. If we ban it, we'll never find out.

So are they going to start doing 360 flying tush pushes in the future? Will there be ally oop's of the QB flying through the air? It's not even close to being worth a consideration as this is not close to being exciting. It's a boring play that works extremely well and isn't where the NFL wants to go.

We don’t know how the play can evolve, do we? In my opinion, football has evolved more than any other sport. The running game and kicking game have been minimized. QBs are Uber athletic and that is causing all kinds of problems for defenses. Most agree it’s a better product now. Making rule changes to limit the evolution is potentially short sighted.

 

[Gally]

There are a lot of similarities to the tush push of the 2020s and the slam dunk of the 1950s. Maybe this analogy has been made before but it’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Both are highly efficient plays that certain players really excel at. Those that cannot execute the plays seem to lack any appreciation for the skill involved. In both cases there are instances of players retaliating in an attempt to injure when the play is used. Fans of the respective sports lose their **** about how the play is going to change the game. We know what happened with the college dunk ban and a ban for the push is likely on the way.
This analogy is worth considering because it took many years before the dunk became a staple of the NBA game along with other entertaining wrinkles like the alley oop. We are in year two of pushing tushes. It seems really premature to ban the play without justification and not knowing what it could become. It might fizzle out like the wildcat or it could just be an annoying cheat code (like if a NBA player were dunking on a free throw, which was disallowed). Or, a coach might incorporate the play along with increased pace or something like that which could be an interesting development.

The biggest difference and why this isn't a great comparison is because the dunk is an exciting play that everyone loves. The tush push is a boring play that takes away the excitement of a game.

I don't care of the play but it is highly effective. My belief is that eventually teams will figure out the nuances that the Eagles have figured out and it turns the game into a 1st and 7 yd game. It will make the games a little boring if/when every team figures it out.

Now if I am wrong (as it appears I am thus far) then keep doing it Philly. It is a great play for you and why stop. It's a huge advantage for you that you deserve to have.

I think that's why the analogy is worth considering. When the slam dunk first became prevalent, not everyone loved it and not everyone found it exciting. Many thought of it as breaking the spirit of the rules since a dunker was not actually shooting the ball. Defenders were so incensed by it that they would try to injure the dunker by running under his legs. Of course, the game evolved and it is now a play that is universally loved. Could that happen also with the tush push? It would require more players with the skillset of Jalen and Josh Allen, which the NFL is already trending toward. It would also require some more creativity from the coaches. If we ban it, we'll never find out.

So are they going to start doing 360 flying tush pushes in the future? Will there be ally oop's of the QB flying through the air? It's not even close to being worth a consideration as this is not close to being exciting. It's a boring play that works extremely well and isn't where the NFL wants to go.

We don’t know how the play can evolve, do we? In my opinion, football has evolved more than any other sport. The running game and kicking game have been minimized. QBs are Uber athletic and that is causing all kinds of problems for defenses. Most agree it’s a better product now. Making rule changes to limit the evolution is potentially short sighted.

To me that play is a devolving of the game....not evolving.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Another 0-3 in the Vikings/Bengals game. Both teams try it and fail.

While the teams appeared to line up for the push play they were not executed like the tush push. The Vikings ran QB sneaks with a WR close to the QB. Not even close to what the Eagles do. Just terrible attempts at QB sneaks where the center got blown up three yards into the backfield on one of the plays. Great job by Cincy and terrible by Bradburry. Just ugly.

They lined up a guy behind the QB who pushed the QB in the tush. Literally a tush push.

Heck if anything you could say the Eagles version is closer to a traditional QB sneak much of the time because Hurts has often already picked up the 1st down before the pusher even gets his hands on him.

 

[Boston]

There are a lot of similarities to the tush push of the 2020s and the slam dunk of the 1950s. Maybe this analogy has been made before but it’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Both are highly efficient plays that certain players really excel at. Those that cannot execute the plays seem to lack any appreciation for the skill involved. In both cases there are instances of players retaliating in an attempt to injure when the play is used. Fans of the respective sports lose their **** about how the play is going to change the game. We know what happened with the college dunk ban and a ban for the push is likely on the way.
This analogy is worth considering because it took many years before the dunk became a staple of the NBA game along with other entertaining wrinkles like the alley oop. We are in year two of pushing tushes. It seems really premature to ban the play without justification and not knowing what it could become. It might fizzle out like the wildcat or it could just be an annoying cheat code (like if a NBA player were dunking on a free throw, which was disallowed). Or, a coach might incorporate the play along with increased pace or something like that which could be an interesting development.

The biggest difference and why this isn't a great comparison is because the dunk is an exciting play that everyone loves. The tush push is a boring play that takes away the excitement of a game.

I don't care of the play but it is highly effective. My belief is that eventually teams will figure out the nuances that the Eagles have figured out and it turns the game into a 1st and 7 yd game. It will make the games a little boring if/when every team figures it out.

Now if I am wrong (as it appears I am thus far) then keep doing it Philly. It is a great play for you and why stop. It's a huge advantage for you that you deserve to have.

I think that's why the analogy is worth considering. When the slam dunk first became prevalent, not everyone loved it and not everyone found it exciting. Many thought of it as breaking the spirit of the rules since a dunker was not actually shooting the ball. Defenders were so incensed by it that they would try to injure the dunker by running under his legs. Of course, the game evolved and it is now a play that is universally loved. Could that happen also with the tush push? It would require more players with the skillset of Jalen and Josh Allen, which the NFL is already trending toward. It would also require some more creativity from the coaches. If we ban it, we'll never find out.

So are they going to start doing 360 flying tush pushes in the future? Will there be ally oop's of the QB flying through the air? It's not even close to being worth a consideration as this is not close to being exciting. It's a boring play that works extremely well and isn't where the NFL wants to go.

We don’t know how the play can evolve, do we? In my opinion, football has evolved more than any other sport. The running game and kicking game have been minimized. QBs are Uber athletic and that is causing all kinds of problems for defenses. Most agree it’s a better product now. Making rule changes to limit the evolution is potentially short sighted.

To me that play is a devolving of the game....not evolving.

Bingo...totally not seeing the dunk comparison at all...I just don't ever see nicknames like Dr. Tushenstein or Phil Slamma Tusha coming from this play in the future.

 

[trader jake]

Get rid of this stupid non-play this offseason.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bucs ripped the helmet off on how to stop this play
Good job TB

-The key is to have one of the DL immediately fall on the gorund and get under Kelce, that seemed to help
Can you imagine the immense weight you must feel on top of you down there underneath, I don't see how someone can even breathe down there

 

[trader jake]

In their most important game of the season the Eagles Tush Push was stopped.

To quote the great sports karma arbitrator Rasheed Wallace, "BALL DON'T LIE!!"

 

[Mitchie]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

 

[Dizzy]

Is it possible for 2024... no Kelce... no Siriani... tush push just goes away?

 

[renesauz]

Is it possible for 2024... no Kelce... no Siriani... tush push just goes away?

doubt it, but the success rate will go down without Kelce.

 

[Grahamburn]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

 

[JohnnyU]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Not sure "wore them out" are the words I would have used.

 

[Grahamburn]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Not sure "wore them out" are the words I would have used.

Beat them up?

 

[JohnnyU]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Not sure "wore them out" are the words I would have used.

Beat them up?

I think believing that is an exaggeration. I don't think it "beat them up" or "wore them out" at all. The Eagles problems down the stretch were far more serious than the push tush play.

 

[Grahamburn]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Not sure "wore them out" are the words I would have used.

Beat them up?

I think believing that is an exaggeration. I don't think it "beat them up" or "wore them out" at all. The Eagles problems down the stretch were far more serious than the push tush play.

I'm sure Kelce screamed "FML" every time they ran it because it felt like he was getting tickled.

The same line that dominated the Bucs in week 3 couldn't move the ball in the playoffs. Believe what you want.

 

[JohnnyU]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Not sure "wore them out" are the words I would have used.

Beat them up?

I think believing that is an exaggeration. I don't think it "beat them up" or "wore them out" at all. The Eagles problems down the stretch were far more serious than the push tush play.

I'm sure Kelce screamed "FML" every time they ran it because it felt like he was getting tickled.

The same line that dominated the Bucs in week 3 couldn't move the ball in the playoffs. Believe what you want.

Believing that play was at the root of the Eagles problem down the stretch is being short sighted IMO,

 

[Gally]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

So the players were even bored by the play....

 

[Grahamburn]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Not sure "wore them out" are the words I would have used.

Beat them up?

I think believing that is an exaggeration. I don't think it "beat them up" or "wore them out" at all. The Eagles problems down the stretch were far more serious than the push tush play.

I'm sure Kelce screamed "FML" every time they ran it because it felt like he was getting tickled.

The same line that dominated the Bucs in week 3 couldn't move the ball in the playoffs. Believe what you want.

Believing that play was at the root of the Eagles problem down the stretch is being short sighted IMO,

Ok? It's not really something worth arguing because there's no way to prove it either way.

I'll say this: Them running it so many times the last two years certainly didn't help them down the stretch.

 

[JohnnyU]

Apparently Kelce yelled 'F___ My Life" every time they ran the play

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/16/eagles-jason-kelce-yelled-curse-every-tush-push-play

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Not sure "wore them out" are the words I would have used.

Beat them up?

I think believing that is an exaggeration. I don't think it "beat them up" or "wore them out" at all. The Eagles problems down the stretch were far more serious than the push tush play.

I'm sure Kelce screamed "FML" every time they ran it because it felt like he was getting tickled.

The same line that dominated the Bucs in week 3 couldn't move the ball in the playoffs. Believe what you want.

Believing that play was at the root of the Eagles problem down the stretch is being short sighted IMO,

Ok? It's not really something worth arguing because there's no way to prove it either way.

I'll say this: Them running it so many times the last two years certainly didn't help them down the stretch.

So you think running that play each week built up from game to game and wore them out and they couldn't recover from week to week from being "wore out". Got it.

 

[Gally]

I'll say this: Them running it so many times the last two years certainly didn't help them down the stretch.

This makes no sense at all. Running that play a few times a game over the last two years made their defense forget how to tackle?

 

[JohnnyU]

I'll say this: Them running it so many times the last two years certainly didn't help them down the stretch.

This makes no sense at all. Running that play a few times a game over the last two years made their defense forget how to tackle?

No, he said it "wore them out" by the accumulation of the play over two years. Now that doesn't make sense to me. Forget the "forget how to tackle" part. That changes the direction of the narrative.

 

[Gally]

No, he said it "wore them out" by the accumulation of the play over two years. Now that doesn't make sense to me. Forget the "forget how to tackle" part. That changes the direction of the narrative.

My point was most of their losses over the last month were due to incompetent defense more than incompetent offense as he was trying to allude to.

I am in total agreement that this play had nothing to do with the collapse of the Eagles.

 

[Grahamburn]

I'll say this: Them running it so many times the last two years certainly didn't help them down the stretch.

This makes no sense at all. Running that play a few times a game over the last two years made their defense forget how to tackle?

Yeah nobody said that.

 

[Terpman22]

RIP Tush Push 2022-2023

 

[Grahamburn]

No, he said it "wore them out" by the accumulation of the play over two years. Now that doesn't make sense to me. Forget the "forget how to tackle" part. That changes the direction of the narrative.

My point was most of their losses over the last month were due to incompetent defense more than incompetent offense as he was trying to allude to.

I am in total agreement that this play had nothing to do with the collapse of the Eagles.

I don't need anyone to agree. That's fine. When their HOF center comes out and publicly says he screamed "FML" every time they ran that play I'll take his word that it wasn't enjoyable and speculate that it probably took a toll on their collective bodies over time.

 

[Doug B]

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Probably splitting hairs a bit ... I wonder if people are disagreeing with "big reason." Maybe "contributing factor" makes more sense?

That said, your take makes intuitive sense to me. At the NFL level, there's a difference between an offensive lineman coming into a game at 85-90% and coming in at 65-70% (numbers are arbitrary, but suffice to make the point). Enough of a difference that opposing defensive lines -- rotating in relatively fresh bodies throughout a game -- can take advantage.

 

[Grahamburn]

Totally believe this and think it's a big reason for their collapse on offense. Running this BS play wore them out and it showed.

Probably splitting hairs a bit ... I wonder if people are disagreeing with "big reason." Maybe "contributing factor" makes more sense?

That said, your take makes intuitive sense to me. At the NFL level, there's a difference between an offensive lineman coming into a game at 85-90% and coming in at 65-70% (numbers are arbitrary, but suffice to make the point). Enough of a difference that opposing defensive lines -- rotating in relatively fresh bodies throughout a game -- can take advantage.

Right. I should have used different wording and contributing factor would have been better. They were dominant last year and early this year. Just physically imposing their will on defenses. Then they weren't.