Tush Push - Do the rules apply for this play or not? Doesn't seem like it (2 Viewers)

[Gally]

I don't need anyone to agree. That's fine. When their HOF center comes out and publicly says he screamed "FML" every time they ran that play I'll take his word that it wasn't enjoyable and speculate that it probably took a toll on their collective bodies over time.

I would think that pass blocking and sustained run blocking would take more of a toll on you then a QB sneak as an offensive lineman. I just don't see this play as being any more or less taxing then the other 50 plays they run in a game. I would think making deep runs in the playoffs the last couple years and a shortened off season because of it was more of an influence than running the tush push a few times a game.

 

[Doug B]

I just don't see this play as being any more or less taxing then the other 50 plays they run in a game.

Jason Kelce was getting flattened under however many bodies every time the tush push was run. Not hard to get the more impactful range of "gotta play through it" injuries after plays such as that. Bruised sternum, torn rib cartilage, one or more cracked ribs, etc. I can imagine someone from the opposing team - even more than one someone -- pressing down into Kelce's torso with a knee or elbow as they remove themselves from the pile. Good place for a rabbit punch or similar if an opponent can (literally) swing it, too.

 

[trader jake]

I just don't see this play as being any more or less taxing then the other 50 plays they run in a game.

Jason Kelce was getting flattened under however many bodies every time the tush push was run. Not hard to get the more impactful range of "gotta play through it" injuries after plays such as that. Bruised sternum, torn rib cartilage, one or more cracked ribs, etc. I can imagine someone from the opposing team - even more than one someone -- pressing down into Kelce's torso with a knee or elbow as they remove themselves from the pile. Good place for a rabbit punch or similar if an opponent can (literally) swing it, too.

Or grabbing a helmet and yanking on it.

The Tush Push play is a perfect setup for a lot of that non-sense.

 

[Faust]

@trader jake

Speaking on Pro Football Talk, NFL Executive V.P. of Football Operations Troy Vincent said there’s no support to ban the “tush push” at this time.

Vincent appears to be all-in on the “tush push,” saying that there’s no need to “punish a team that strategically does it well” while also adding the Eagles’ success rate on the play is “just amazing.” This should come as good news to Jalen Hurts and his fantasy managers. Hurts has totaled 28 rushing touchdowns over the last two seasons, with 17 of those scores coming from just one yard out. The push to ban the play has largely come from gripes over how successful it is, but as Vincent points out, a high success rate on a play that’s within the rules isn’t a reason to ban a play in the eyes of the NFL Competition Committee. Vincent noted that the committee didn’t even discuss the play when they met at this year’s Scouting Combine.

 

[Terpman22]

@trader jake

Speaking on Pro Football Talk, NFL Executive V.P. of Football Operations Troy Vincent said there’s no support to ban the “tush push” at this time.

Vincent appears to be all-in on the “tush push,” saying that there’s no need to “punish a team that strategically does it well” while also adding the Eagles’ success rate on the play is “just amazing.” This should come as good news to Jalen Hurts and his fantasy managers. Hurts has totaled 28 rushing touchdowns over the last two seasons, with 17 of those scores coming from just one yard out. The push to ban the play has largely come from gripes over how successful it is, but as Vincent points out, a high success rate on a play that’s within the rules isn’t a reason to ban a play in the eyes of the NFL Competition Committee. Vincent noted that the committee didn’t even discuss the play when they met at this year’s Scouting Combine.

But did anyone make the "At some point this could cause an injury, so lets pre-ban it" argument?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

@trader jake

Speaking on Pro Football Talk, NFL Executive V.P. of Football Operations Troy Vincent said there’s no support to ban the “tush push” at this time.

Vincent appears to be all-in on the “tush push,” saying that there’s no need to “punish a team that strategically does it well” while also adding the Eagles’ success rate on the play is “just amazing.” This should come as good news to Jalen Hurts and his fantasy managers. Hurts has totaled 28 rushing touchdowns over the last two seasons, with 17 of those scores coming from just one yard out. The push to ban the play has largely come from gripes over how successful it is, but as Vincent points out, a high success rate on a play that’s within the rules isn’t a reason to ban a play in the eyes of the NFL Competition Committee. Vincent noted that the committee didn’t even discuss the play when they met at this year’s Scouting Combine.

But did anyone make the "At some point this could cause an injury, so lets pre-ban it" argument?

Didn’t need to. The Chiefs already demonstrated that possibility to the whole league.

 

[Deamon]

@trader jake

Speaking on Pro Football Talk, NFL Executive V.P. of Football Operations Troy Vincent said there’s no support to ban the “tush push” at this time.

Vincent appears to be all-in on the “tush push,” saying that there’s no need to “punish a team that strategically does it well” while also adding the Eagles’ success rate on the play is “just amazing.” This should come as good news to Jalen Hurts and his fantasy managers. Hurts has totaled 28 rushing touchdowns over the last two seasons, with 17 of those scores coming from just one yard out. The push to ban the play has largely come from gripes over how successful it is, but as Vincent points out, a high success rate on a play that’s within the rules isn’t a reason to ban a play in the eyes of the NFL Competition Committee. Vincent noted that the committee didn’t even discuss the play when they met at this year’s Scouting Combine.

But did anyone make the "At some point this could cause an injury, so lets pre-ban it" argument?

Didn’t need to. The Chiefs already demonstrated that possibility to the whole league.

and compared to other plays, it's probably one of the safest plays in the game.

 

[ghostguy123]

@trader jake

Speaking on Pro Football Talk, NFL Executive V.P. of Football Operations Troy Vincent said there’s no support to ban the “tush push” at this time.

Vincent appears to be all-in on the “tush push,” saying that there’s no need to “punish a team that strategically does it well” while also adding the Eagles’ success rate on the play is “just amazing.” This should come as good news to Jalen Hurts and his fantasy managers. Hurts has totaled 28 rushing touchdowns over the last two seasons, with 17 of those scores coming from just one yard out. The push to ban the play has largely come from gripes over how successful it is, but as Vincent points out, a high success rate on a play that’s within the rules isn’t a reason to ban a play in the eyes of the NFL Competition Committee. Vincent noted that the committee didn’t even discuss the play when they met at this year’s Scouting Combine.

But did anyone make the "At some point this could cause an injury, so lets pre-ban it" argument?

Didn’t need to. The Chiefs already demonstrated that possibility to the whole league.

Was that like 2020?

 

[Terpman22]

@trader jake

Speaking on Pro Football Talk, NFL Executive V.P. of Football Operations Troy Vincent said there’s no support to ban the “tush push” at this time.

Vincent appears to be all-in on the “tush push,” saying that there’s no need to “punish a team that strategically does it well” while also adding the Eagles’ success rate on the play is “just amazing.” This should come as good news to Jalen Hurts and his fantasy managers. Hurts has totaled 28 rushing touchdowns over the last two seasons, with 17 of those scores coming from just one yard out. The push to ban the play has largely come from gripes over how successful it is, but as Vincent points out, a high success rate on a play that’s within the rules isn’t a reason to ban a play in the eyes of the NFL Competition Committee. Vincent noted that the committee didn’t even discuss the play when they met at this year’s Scouting Combine.

But did anyone make the "At some point this could cause an injury, so lets pre-ban it" argument?

Didn’t need to. The Chiefs already demonstrated that possibility to the whole league.

And Dre Greenlaw demonstrated that jogging can cause an achilles tear. Guess we better make players walk on the field now.

 

[Terpman22]

Also, looks like we need a retitled thread since it appears this awesome football play is still going to be here in 2024

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Also, looks like we need a retitled thread since it appears this awesome football play is still going to be here in 2024

NFL executive Troy Vincent reiterates that it was best to leave the “tush push” alone and not present a proposal to ban it. Jeff Miller says there isn’t enough injury data.
“The #Eagles do it well,” Vincent said.

 

[Terpman22]

Also, looks like we need a retitled thread since it appears this awesome football play is still going to be here in 2024

NFL executive Troy Vincent reiterates that it was best to leave the “tush push” alone and not present a proposal to ban it. Jeff Miller says there isn’t enough injury data.
“The #Eagles do it well,” Vincent said.

Let the Dam of Tears be released!

 

[need2know]

Sadly I think they run it less moving forward but it's nice to know they aren't outlawing a perfectly legal football play because some people don't like it or think it's ugly

 

[Faust]

Big brother Kelce looms over Eagles' tush push success

 

[Runkle]

Still works

 

[ProstheticRGK]

This play will never die.

 

[travdogg]

This play will never die.

Nor should it. Hardest play in league to stop.

 

[JohnnyU]

This play will never die.

Instead of the pusher having to be one yard behind the pushee, they should make it two yards.

 

[bcat01]

This play will never die.

Maybe when Hurts is done playing. Are there any other QB's that have the leg strength that he has?

 

[JohnnyU]

This play will never die.

Maybe when Hurts is done playing. Are there any other QB's that have the leg strength that he has?

That would be great if you ran 50 push-tush plays per game.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This play will never die.

Maybe when Hurts is done playing. Are there any other QB's that have the leg strength that he has?

It doesn’t have to be a QB taking the snap. I’m surprised other teams aren’t running this play. Maybe it’s an ego thing.

 

[travdogg]

This play will never die.

Maybe when Hurts is done playing. Are there any other QB's that have the leg strength that he has?

Josh Allen actually converts it at an even higher %.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It’s ironic that the time they most needed to do this play (3rd and 3 on the play Saquon dropped the pass) they didn’t do it.

 

[JohnnyU]

It’s ironic that the time they most needed to do this play (3rd and 3 on the play Saquon dropped the pass) they didn’t do it.

Isn't 3rd and 3 a little long for that play?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It’s ironic that the time they most needed to do this play (3rd and 3 on the play Saquon dropped the pass) they didn’t do it.

Isn't 3rd and 3 a little long for that play?

No. They should have run the play twice in a row. 3rd and 4th down.

 

[JohnnyU]

It’s ironic that the time they most needed to do this play (3rd and 3 on the play Saquon dropped the pass) they didn’t do it.

Isn't 3rd and 3 a little long for that play?

No. They should have run the play twice in a row. 3rd and 4th down.

Oh OK. Probably.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It’s ironic that the time they most needed to do this play (3rd and 3 on the play Saquon dropped the pass) they didn’t do it.

Isn't 3rd and 3 a little long for that play?

No. They should have run the play twice in a row. 3rd and 4th down.

Oh OK. Probably.

Evidently the Manning Bros had the same thought last night. From PFT:

Both Eli and Peyton thought the Eagles might try the tush push on third-and-3, and then go for it on fourth down and try it again if the tush push didn’t gain three yards.

“The push is coming. You can’t throw it here,” Peyton said.

 

[TLEF316]

You do wonder if the league would create more rules to limit this play if they started just doing it 2x on 3rd and 4th down every drive.

They (the league) obviously like the extension of drives (fewer punts...more points) but if it was 2x every series of downs the viewer experience (for non eagles fans who just care about winning) gets worse.

 

[Da Guru]

My wife loves to watch football with me but only has a small grasp of all the rules.

Last night she said "If the offense is allowed to have all those guys push forward while the runner is not down, why can`t the defense do the same pushing backwards if the runner is not down?

The pushing forward is happening all over the field now. I laughed when she said that, but it in someways makes some sense.

 

[Moonlight]

I see more and more rugby scr ums throughout the league where the runner gets stood up and then a wave of OL push him forward. Happens around the goal line to score a TD at times.

I like the old rule where you couldn’t push the runner directly to gain yardage.

 

[JohnnyU]

I see more and more rugby scr ums throughout the league where the runner gets stood up and then a wave of OL push him forward. Happens around the goal line to score a TD at times.

I like the old rule where you couldn’t push the runner directly to gain yardage.

I made an argument early on, saying it isn't much different than the rule where a defensive player can't climb the back of a lineman to block a kick.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I see more and more rugby scr ums throughout the league where the runner gets stood up and then a wave of OL push him forward. Happens around the goal line to score a TD at times.

I like the old rule where you couldn’t push the runner directly to gain yardage.

Big fan of the username and avatar

Fully agree. This isn’t about the tush push - it bothers me way way more when OL guys do this in the open field.

 

[Moonlight]

I see more and more rugby scr ums throughout the league where the runner gets stood up and then a wave of OL push him forward. Happens around the goal line to score a TD at times.

I like the old rule where you couldn’t push the runner directly to gain yardage.

Big fan of the username and avatar

Fully agree. This isn’t about the tush push - it bothers me way way more when OL guys do this in the open field.

Thank you Alex. One of my favorite characters from one of my favorite movies.

 

[trader jake]

On Tush Push plays at least one Philly lineman is lined up in the neutral zone or one of them jumps early. Or both. On almost every attempt.

Get rid of this atrocity already. Or call it correctly.

 

[GoBirds]

Excellent play.

 

[Dizzy]

Copy cat league. Eyeballing some of these TEs on other teams that might get 12-15 rushing TDs going forward.

 

[Terpman22]

One of the most genius plays in NFL history and if you don’t think it’s going to be a part of NFL lore you’re fooling yourselves and should just embrace how cool and unique of a play it is.

 

[need2know]

On Tush Push plays at least one Philly lineman is lined up in the neutral zone or one of them jumps early. Or both. On almost every attempt.

Get rid of this atrocity already. Or call it correctly.

Your team lost

 

[need2know]

I love this thread and the guys that keep it alive. Thanks bro

 

[Alex P Keaton]

On Tush Push plays at least one Philly lineman is lined up in the neutral zone or one of them jumps early. Or both. On almost every attempt.

Get rid of this atrocity already. Or call it correctly.

Your team lost

His team wasn’t playing today

 

[trader jake]

On Tush Push plays at least one Philly lineman is lined up in the neutral zone or one of them jumps early. Or both. On almost every attempt.

Get rid of this atrocity already. Or call it correctly.

Your team lost

We all lose with this "play".

At the goal line the Washington defense was just doing what Philadelphia does almost every time they run it - jumping early.

 

[Moonlight]

I liked Washington sending the diving player over the line to meet the QB. It’s a way to stop the push. Philly adjusted by changing the count and cadence.

The leaping player increases the chance of Hurtsinjury/concussion
and this might come into play some time.

 

[unckeyherb]

I liked Washington sending the diving player over the line to meet the QB. It’s a way to stop the push. Philly adjusted by changing the count and cadence.

The leaping player increases the chance of Hurtsinjury/concussion
and this might come into play some time.

It’s a dirty play from a dirty player. He leaps over the line, helmet first and if Jalen actually ran the play instead of pulling up he’d get speared in the head.

 

[Wildcat]

I liked Washington sending the diving player over the line to meet the QB. It’s a way to stop the push. Philly adjusted by changing the count and cadence.

The leaping player increases the chance of Hurtsinjury/concussion
and this might come into play some time.

It’s a dirty play from a dirty player. He leaps over the line, helmet first and if Jalen actually ran the play instead of pulling up he’d get speared in the head.

Don’t blame the player for this one. I guarantee they ran this through practice and he was just doing what he was told to do

 

[unckeyherb]

I liked Washington sending the diving player over the line to meet the QB. It’s a way to stop the push. Philly adjusted by changing the count and cadence.

The leaping player increases the chance of Hurtsinjury/concussion
and this might come into play some time.

It’s a dirty play from a dirty player. He leaps over the line, helmet first and if Jalen actually ran the play instead of pulling up he’d get speared in the head.

Don’t blame the player for this one. I guarantee they ran this through practice and he was just doing what he was told to do

So what? Its a dirty play. If the Eagles don't stop running their play, he spears the QB helmet to helmet because he is aiming to do so.

 

[need2know]

On Tush Push plays at least one Philly lineman is lined up in the neutral zone or one of them jumps early. Or both. On almost every attempt.

Get rid of this atrocity already. Or call it correctly.

Your team lost

We all lose with this "play".

At the goal line the Washington defense was just doing what Philadelphia does almost every time they run it - jumping early.

Agree to disagree. My team won

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Copy cat league. Eyeballing some of these TEs on other teams that might get 12-15 rushing TDs going forward.

Mark Andrews was used for this. And never forget the living legend of Taysom Hill.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I liked Washington sending the diving player over the line to meet the QB. It’s a way to stop the push. Philly adjusted by changing the count and cadence.

The leaping player increases the chance of Hurtsinjury/concussion
and this might come into play some time.

It’s a dirty play from a dirty player. He leaps over the line, helmet first and if Jalen actually ran the play instead of pulling up he’d get speared in the head.

Don’t blame the player for this one. I guarantee they ran this through practice and he was just doing what he was told to do

So what? Its a dirty play. If the Eagles don't stop running their play, he spears the QB helmet to helmet because he is aiming to do so.

He’s not the first guy to guess wrong and go over the lineman. Usually they’re trying to stop a RB

 

[unckeyherb]

I liked Washington sending the diving player over the line to meet the QB. It’s a way to stop the push. Philly adjusted by changing the count and cadence.

The leaping player increases the chance of Hurtsinjury/concussion
and this might come into play some time.

It’s a dirty play from a dirty player. He leaps over the line, helmet first and if Jalen actually ran the play instead of pulling up he’d get speared in the head.

Don’t blame the player for this one. I guarantee they ran this through practice and he was just doing what he was told to do

So what? Its a dirty play. If the Eagles don't stop running their play, he spears the QB helmet to helmet because he is aiming to do so.

He’s not the first guy to guess wrong and go over the lineman. Usually they’re trying to stop a RB

you're suggesting that he guessed it was going to be a RB play and not the play that they've run with Jalen in that scenario 575 times? How about the second time he did it? Still guessed wrong?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I liked Washington sending the diving player over the line to meet the QB. It’s a way to stop the push. Philly adjusted by changing the count and cadence.

The leaping player increases the chance of Hurtsinjury/concussion
and this might come into play some time.

It’s a dirty play from a dirty player. He leaps over the line, helmet first and if Jalen actually ran the play instead of pulling up he’d get speared in the head.

Don’t blame the player for this one. I guarantee they ran this through practice and he was just doing what he was told to do

So what? Its a dirty play. If the Eagles don't stop running their play, he spears the QB helmet to helmet because he is aiming to do so.

He’s not the first guy to guess wrong and go over the lineman. Usually they’re trying to stop a RB

you're suggesting that he guessed it was going to be a RB play and not the play that they've run with Jalen in that scenario 575 times? How about the second time he did it? Still guessed wrong?

No. I’m suggesting players have been doing this for a long time. Why is it dirty now, because the QB is carrying the ball? When that happens he’s a runner like anyone else. If they’re worried about him being injured maybe they shouldn’t run that play