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Tush Push - for fans that love replay reviews and NCAA commercials (2 Viewers)
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JAA
Footballguy
Agree with all of this
JAA
Footballguy
BAN THE WILDCAT!Yeah, this is stupid. It’s such an unstoppable play that it’s literally associated with one (1) team. The thing has a Philly-based nickname ffs.Looks like was the Packers (unless more than one)
NFL Team That Wants Tush Push Banned Has Been Identified
This NFL team's president would like to see the tush push get banned.www.si.com
If it were so unstoppable that it requires a rule, why isn’t every team running it?
I can’t imagine this resulting in a ban of the QB sneak.
... oh wait
Im thinking we should ban the forward pass. I mean, all those great QBs use it to their advantage. I should be able to be a HOF QB, and having all theses required skills and traits which only some others posses IS NOT FAIR!!1!!11!
JAA
Footballguy
Uh, I see players pushing other offensive players. All. Game.From PFT:
Add Falcons head coach Raheem Morris to the growing list of people in the NFL who want to ban the tush push.
Morris said today at the Scouting Combine that he believes the NFL should have acted quickly to ban the tush push as soon as it began to be employed.
“It should’ve been illegal three years ago,” Morris said with a smile. “No, the tush push play, I’ve never been a big fan. There’s no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them, pull them off, do anything.”
Just another Eagles hater I guess.
Get rid of pushing players forward. That is the issue.
need2know
Footballguy
From PFT:
Add Falcons head coach Raheem Morris to the growing list of people in the NFL who want to ban the tush push.
Morris said today at the Scouting Combine that he believes the NFL should have acted quickly to ban the tush push as soon as it began to be employed.
“It should’ve been illegal three years ago,” Morris said with a smile. “No, the tush push play, I’ve never been a big fan. There’s no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them, pull them off, do anything.”
Just another Eagles hater I guess.
who cares what raheem morris thinks? Hes wrong as are you
trader jake
Footballguy
Correct, that is the issue. The Eagles dominant offensive line and all-world squat king can still run QB sneaks all day long. Just ban the pushing from behind, that's the whole point.Uh, I see players pushing other offensive players. All. Game.From PFT:
Add Falcons head coach Raheem Morris to the growing list of people in the NFL who want to ban the tush push.
Morris said today at the Scouting Combine that he believes the NFL should have acted quickly to ban the tush push as soon as it began to be employed.
“It should’ve been illegal three years ago,” Morris said with a smile. “No, the tush push play, I’ve never been a big fan. There’s no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them, pull them off, do anything.”
Just another Eagles hater I guess.
Get rid of pushing players forward. That is the issue.
trader jake
Footballguy
You switched up your whole, "your team sucks" argument at least. Thanks.From PFT:
Add Falcons head coach Raheem Morris to the growing list of people in the NFL who want to ban the tush push.
Morris said today at the Scouting Combine that he believes the NFL should have acted quickly to ban the tush push as soon as it began to be employed.
“It should’ve been illegal three years ago,” Morris said with a smile. “No, the tush push play, I’ve never been a big fan. There’s no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them, pull them off, do anything.”
Just another Eagles hater I guess.
who cares what raheem morris thinks? Hes wrong as are you
How about Andy Reid then? He said this today,"You hear Jason Kelce coming out — he said it when he was playing, he said it when he’s retired. And I got a lot of trust in that kid, he’s tougher than shoe leather. He’s out there going, ‘this is a great play, but it kills me. As a center, I was getting destroyed.’ . . . That in itself is an alarm that you gotta look at.”
He's probably just bitter he got fired by the Eagles back in the days and just lost to them in the Super Bowl.
renesauz
IBL Representative
while we are at it, ban defensive players pushing others from behind too. Good for goose kind of thing. We frequently see defenders shoving other defenders from behind in an attempt to stop the ballcarrier from moving forward (INCLUDING ON THE TUSH PUSH!) IT'S THE SAME THING! (I think this would be fine if applies to both sides actually, but they took the rule out of the rulebook for a reason...it's very difficult to enforce fairly and consistently, and that's not been fixed by 15 or so years of going without the rule)Uh, I see players pushing other offensive players. All. Game.From PFT:
Add Falcons head coach Raheem Morris to the growing list of people in the NFL who want to ban the tush push.
Morris said today at the Scouting Combine that he believes the NFL should have acted quickly to ban the tush push as soon as it began to be employed.
“It should’ve been illegal three years ago,” Morris said with a smile. “No, the tush push play, I’ve never been a big fan. There’s no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them, pull them off, do anything.”
Just another Eagles hater I guess.
Get rid of pushing players forward. That is the issue.
BTW, football grew from rugby, why is such a terrible thing to have an occasional play that harkens back to those roots? This whole "it's not a football play" isn't just garbage, it's completely and undeniably FALSE
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Man, taking me back. I drafted Ronnie Brown as my third running back the year that the wildcat blew up. My leaguemates were so pissed at me because he was putting up quarterback numbers on a weekly basis from the running back position. Right up until he tore his ACL It looked like I was gonna own every league that I had him in.BAN THE WILDCAT!Yeah, this is stupid. It’s such an unstoppable play that it’s literally associated with one (1) team. The thing has a Philly-based nickname ffs.Looks like was the Packers (unless more than one)
NFL Team That Wants Tush Push Banned Has Been Identified
This NFL team's president would like to see the tush push get banned.
If it were so unstoppable that it requires a rule, why isn’t every team running it?
I can’t imagine this resulting in a ban of the QB sneak.
... oh wait
Im thinking we should ban the forward pass. I mean, all those great QBs use it to their advantage. I should be able to be a HOF QB, and having all theses required skills and traits which only some others posses IS NOT FAIR!!1!!11!
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And yet he never missed a snap because of that playYou switched up your whole, "your team sucks" argument at least. Thanks.From PFT:
Add Falcons head coach Raheem Morris to the growing list of people in the NFL who want to ban the tush push.
Morris said today at the Scouting Combine that he believes the NFL should have acted quickly to ban the tush push as soon as it began to be employed.
“It should’ve been illegal three years ago,” Morris said with a smile. “No, the tush push play, I’ve never been a big fan. There’s no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them, pull them off, do anything.”
Just another Eagles hater I guess.
who cares what raheem morris thinks? Hes wrong as are you
How about Andy Reid then? He said this today,"You hear Jason Kelce coming out — he said it when he was playing, he said it when he’s retired. And I got a lot of trust in that kid, he’s tougher than shoe leather. He’s out there going, ‘this is a great play, but it kills me. As a center, I was getting destroyed.’ . . . That in itself is an alarm that you gotta look at.”
He's probably just bitter he got fired by the Eagles back in the days and just lost to them in the Super Bowl.
. A tough play on the body and one that causes injury like a hip drop are completely different things. And they’re gonna have a tough time justifying how you can’t push from behind, while have OL run down and smash the pile to keep a RB moving forward.
Trying to vote a play out, because one team runs it awesome, is peak 2025 and as soft as it gets.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
You switched up your whole, "your team sucks" argument at least. Thanks.From PFT:
Add Falcons head coach Raheem Morris to the growing list of people in the NFL who want to ban the tush push.
Morris said today at the Scouting Combine that he believes the NFL should have acted quickly to ban the tush push as soon as it began to be employed.
“It should’ve been illegal three years ago,” Morris said with a smile. “No, the tush push play, I’ve never been a big fan. There’s no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them, pull them off, do anything.”
Just another Eagles hater I guess.
who cares what raheem morris thinks? Hes wrong as are you
How about Andy Reid then? He said this today,"You hear Jason Kelce coming out — he said it when he was playing, he said it when he’s retired. And I got a lot of trust in that kid, he’s tougher than shoe leather. He’s out there going, ‘this is a great play, but it kills me. As a center, I was getting destroyed.’ . . . That in itself is an alarm that you gotta look at.”
He's probably just bitter he got fired by the Eagles back in the days and just lost to them in the Super Bowl.
I dont see anything here to get it banned.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Baltimore runs it with Mark Andrews.
they can but it does take away any option of passing
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Because it’s more the OL than the QB
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Yes agreed. I also think there's more to the play than just a big center push.
trader jake
Footballguy
You're right, that does sound dumb. Not for the reasons you think though.
You consistently misunderstand, or intentionally misrepresent, why some feel banning the push of offensive players should happen.
Also "your team sucks", gotcha.
trader jake
Footballguy
Well, to be fair, he did retire. In the offseason before his team won the championship.And yet he never missed a snap because of that playYou switched up your whole, "your team sucks" argument at least. Thanks.From PFT:
Add Falcons head coach Raheem Morris to the growing list of people in the NFL who want to ban the tush push.
Morris said today at the Scouting Combine that he believes the NFL should have acted quickly to ban the tush push as soon as it began to be employed.
“It should’ve been illegal three years ago,” Morris said with a smile. “No, the tush push play, I’ve never been a big fan. There’s no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them, pull them off, do anything.”
Just another Eagles hater I guess.
who cares what raheem morris thinks? Hes wrong as are you
How about Andy Reid then? He said this today,"You hear Jason Kelce coming out — he said it when he was playing, he said it when he’s retired. And I got a lot of trust in that kid, he’s tougher than shoe leather. He’s out there going, ‘this is a great play, but it kills me. As a center, I was getting destroyed.’ . . . That in itself is an alarm that you gotta look at.”
He's probably just bitter he got fired by the Eagles back in the days and just lost to them in the Super Bowl.
And they’re gonna have a tough time justifying how you can’t push from behind, while have OL run down and smash the pile to keep a RB moving forward.
Trying to vote a play out, because one team runs it awesome, is peak 2025 and as soft as it gets.
trader jake
Footballguy
Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.www.nbcsports.com
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
You’re aware of my role during games and I can tell you’ve haven’t documented one injury on that play.
And look, the very nature of this sport is risking injury lol. Acting like this play magnifies it in some way is just not correct.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The Eagles were 11-for-11 on the QB sneak in 2017 --their Super Bowl winning season.
Terpman22
Footballguy
So Sean McDermott, to be clear, thinks this play is more dangerous than other plays, but also, runs this play with his own players?Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
Did I get that right?
need2know
Footballguy
So Sean McDermott, to be clear, thinks this play is more dangerous than other plays, but also, runs this play with his own players?Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
Did I get that right?
he does. and they dont do it very well
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It sounds like he wants an excuse to not run it anymore after they failed to execute it in the AFCCG.So Sean McDermott, to be clear, thinks this play is more dangerous than other plays, but also, runs this play with his own players?Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
Did I get that right?
he does. and they dont do it very well
He even admits that they don't have any data showing it increases injury. He just doesn't like "the optics" of it, whatever that means.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Right. So he is a hypocrite using false narratives like the overwhelming majority of the folks that want to see it outlawed.It sounds like he wants an excuse to not run it anymore after they failed to execute it in the AFCCG.So Sean McDermott, to be clear, thinks this play is more dangerous than other plays, but also, runs this play with his own players?Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
Did I get that right?
he does. and they dont do it very well
He even admits that they don't have any data showing it increases injury. He just doesn't like "the optics" of it, whatever that means.
GoBirds
Footballguy
The injuries are to other teams fans drowning in tears I believe.
I don't see the tush push as being a high injury risk much like the old-style kickoffs. There isn't specific data available that directly links concussions to the "tush push" play itself
To reduce injuries, require rigorous practice, clear communication, and adherence to safety protocols to ensure player well-being. Whether it's the calculated explosive drive of the "tush push," the emphasis on safety cannot be overstated.
To reduce injuries, require rigorous practice, clear communication, and adherence to safety protocols to ensure player well-being. Whether it's the calculated explosive drive of the "tush push," the emphasis on safety cannot be overstated.
renesauz
IBL Representative
Where are the injuries? There haven't been any. and the play has been run enough that one is overdue.Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
Injuries happen in the NFL from high impact collisions (which the tush push has NONE of) and from awkward hits to the lower body, which the tush push has fewer of then most standard plays. There is ZERO data, and no logical reason, that the play is inherently more dangerous then any other play. In fact, there's very good reason to suspect it's LESS dangerous then a standard NFL play. The very least that can be stated definitively is that there isn't enough data to push this claim of danger with anything remotely close to surety
GoBirds
Footballguy
Does Mark Sanchez running into his Centers butt count as the only injury?Where are the injuries? There haven't been any. and the play has been run enough that one is overdue.Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
Injuries happen in the NFL from high impact collisions (which the tush push has NONE of) and from awkward hits to the lower body, which the tush push has fewer of then most standard plays. There is ZERO data, and no logical reason, that the play is inherently more dangerous then any other play. In fact, there's very good reason to suspect it's LESS dangerous then a standard NFL play. The very least that can be stated definitively is that there isn't enough data to push this claim of danger with anything remotely close to surety
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
What was injured on that play, his pride?Does Mark Sanchez running into his Centers butt count as the only injury?Where are the injuries? There haven't been any. and the play has been run enough that one is overdue.Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
Injuries happen in the NFL from high impact collisions (which the tush push has NONE of) and from awkward hits to the lower body, which the tush push has fewer of then most standard plays. There is ZERO data, and no logical reason, that the play is inherently more dangerous then any other play. In fact, there's very good reason to suspect it's LESS dangerous then a standard NFL play. The very least that can be stated definitively is that there isn't enough data to push this claim of danger with anything remotely close to surety
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
What are the origins of this play? Seriously, what are the origins of this play that has almost everyone's panties in a bunch?
This play Is a quarterback sneak. Plain and simple. The only difference between the original QB sneak and this newer one is that it's been upgraded and improved for the 21st century. It's the same play - except now it is a much more versatile play.
This play Is a quarterback sneak. Plain and simple. The only difference between the original QB sneak and this newer one is that it's been upgraded and improved for the 21st century. It's the same play - except now it is a much more versatile play.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
It’s “tush-push”. Not “push-tush”. Hope this helps.
same difference.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The Bills have run this play 55 times in the last 3 years.Another head coach disagrees with this:so tired of the injury argument. It's falseOne NFL team has proposed banning the Tush Push
One NFL team has proposed banning the tush push
In the days leading up to Super Bowl LIX, Fox rules analyst Mike Pereira said that he thinks the league might take a look at banning the tush push this offseason and at least one team would like them to do that.
Make it happen. Get rid of this anti-strategy, injury inducing, rugby scrum of a non-play already. Or wait another year until officials have to start "awarding" touchdowns because defenses start taking more and more extreme measures.
Bills HC Sean McDermott had this to say, “To me, there’s always been an injury risk with that play, and I’ve expressed that opinion for the last couple of years or so when it really started to come into play the way it’s being used, especially a year ago. So, I just feel like, player safety, and the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game, which it is. It’s just that play to me has always been . . . or the way that the techniques that are used with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. And so again, you have to go back though in fairness to the injury data on the play, but I just think the optics of it, I’m not in love with.”
McDermott is a member of the Competition Committee, which gives him a direct avenue for raising those concerns.
Just another bitter guy trying to hold down the birds.
jasvic
Footballguy
I prefer "Brotherly Shove." Does that make it better?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't think it matters what we call it. I wonder why it is illegal for a defensive player to climb the back of his lineman to block a kick if it's OK to push a player on an offensive play?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
NFL says there were no injuries on tush push plays in 2024
Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni called talk of banning the tush push play that his team has made a staple of their offense "unfair" earlier this week and took particular aim at arguments that the play was unsafe.
www.nbcsports.com
jasvic
Footballguy
As previously mentioned, why is okay for players on both sides to push a running back 5 yards downfield, but doing it at the LOS with the QB is a big deal? If this play is banned, are they banning gang tackles? Are they banning offensive players pushing ballcarriers downfield? If we're going slippery slope, how far should we go?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Im just glad some of you get to experience what is like dealing with Eagles fans on this site.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Devastating blow to the folks using "Player Safety" as cover to hate on this play. This was the "Most NFL" argument, other arguments like "Its Ugly/Rugby!" are very weak ones, so I don't see a way 24 owners band together to ban this play without a SINGLE injury happening the last year from it.NFL says there were no injuries on tush push plays in 2024
Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni called talk of banning the tush push play that his team has made a staple of their offense "unfair" earlier this week and took particular aim at arguments that the play was unsafe.
Terpman22
Footballguy
A Cowboys fan on here talking about Eagles fan behavior?Im just glad some of you get to experience what is like dealing with Eagles fans on this site.
Good luck.
Touche - but I would like to hear your personal take on it, now knowing that the NFL has released data showing there was not a single injury from this play last year, while simultaneously some coaches are saying 1. the play causes injuries and 2. they also subject their own players to the play over and over.
Hey, I'm here just here posting data and countering weak arguments and hypocrisy using their own words.
A skill I will say I honed pretty decently thanks to arguing with Cowboys fans my entire life.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
A Cowboys fan on here talking about Eagles fan behavior?Im just glad some of you get to experience what is like dealing with Eagles fans on this site.
Good luck.
Touche - but I would like to hear your personal take on it, now knowing that the NFL has released data showing there was not a single injury from this play last year, while simultaneously some coaches are saying 1. the play causes injuries and 2. they also subject their own players to the play over and over.
Hey, I'm here just here posting data and countering weak arguments and hypocrisy using their own words.
A skill I will say I honed pretty decently thanks to arguing with Cowboys fans my entire life.
If it were my team, I would absolutely love it. The Eagles are built exactly how I would build a team (except I would have an actual quarterback playing at the quarterback position.)
Years ago, I told everybody who would listen to build a team of 6 foot eight 350 pound monster OLinmen and just road grade the league and everybody told me I was crazy and it couldn’t be done. It’s a passing league. It won’t work. Defenders are too fast. BS! They’re all light in the pants!.
But Steady doesn’t mimic what everyone else says, he’s nuts! Par for the mother****ing course.
As far as the play. LOVE IT. Is it ugly? Sure? Does it belong? Probably not.
As far as injuries go- agree- not many but I could see some potential problems if this continues. Defenses are going to try to stop it even if it’s not possible I just I’m not sure when you get the right circumstance of 1000 lbs of men pushing on 1000lbs of other men/ eventually something is going to give. While it hasn’t happened yet, and the odds seem low, the potential for catastrophic injury is present.
From a Cowboys fans perspective - looking for ammunition just to talk smack- if this play is team’s Magnum, opus- By all means have your one yard disaster of a play to brag about.
At the end of the day, I don’t really care. I’ve long ago stop caring about other grown men and a professional business that I have no affiliation to. I don’t buy any more NFL gear. I barely even watch the games except for the playoffs now.
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Terpman22
Footballguy
Haha I appreciate the response.A Cowboys fan on here talking about Eagles fan behavior?Im just glad some of you get to experience what is like dealing with Eagles fans on this site.
Good luck.
Touche - but I would like to hear your personal take on it, now knowing that the NFL has released data showing there was not a single injury from this play last year, while simultaneously some coaches are saying 1. the play causes injuries and 2. they also subject their own players to the play over and over.
Hey, I'm here just here posting data and countering weak arguments and hypocrisy using their own words.
A skill I will say I honed pretty decently thanks to arguing with Cowboys fans my entire life.
If it were my team, I would absolutely love it. The Eagles are built exactly how I would build a team (except I would have m a quarterback playing at the quarterback position.)
Years ago, I told everybody who would listen to build a team of 6 foot eight 350 pound monster OLinmen and just road grade the league and everybody told me I was crazy and it couldn’t be done. It’s a passing league. It won’t work. Defenders are too fast. BS! They’re all light in the pants!.
But Steady doesn’t mimic what everyone else says, he’s nuts! Par for the mother****ing course.
As far as the play. LOVE IT. Is it ugly? Sure? Does it belong? Probably not.
As far as injuries go- agree- not many but I could see some potential problems if this continues. Defenses are going to try to stop it even if it’s not possible I just I’m not sure when you get the right circumstance of 1000 lbs of men pushing on 1000lbs of other men/ eventually something is going to give. While it hasn’t happened yet, and the odds seem low, the potential for catastrophic injury is present.
From a Cowboys fans perspective - looking for ammunition just to talk smack- if this play is team’s Magnum, opus- By all means have your one yard disaster of a play to brag about.
At the end of the day, I don’t really care. I’ve long ago stop caring about other grown men and a professional business that I have no affiliation to. I don’t buy any more NFL gear. I barely even watch the games except for the playoffs now.
W regard to running the ball - you are RIGHT. What the Cowboys were TRYING to do with Zeke in the early days was just this, the issue was you just never had the defense to match it, or the REAL weapons to stop teams from attacking the box. By the time Dak developed into a passer Zeke had one foot in his NFL grave and the OL started to fall apart for various reasons
But your thesis is spot on, and something I have been watching for a while - the teams that truly have committed to this style the past 25 years and have had a defense, its rare, but it can be done.
As far as the play being the Magnus Opus - I think that is in part mainly due to the spectacle its become now that teams are literally trying to get it banned for...whatever reason, not player safety. Its a glorified QB sneak, its just something WE only do, and its like on average, what, 2-3x per game?
I'd argue just having the Offensive Line we have + the Coach is the True Magnus Opus here, but talking about offensive lines and OL coaches is even more boring than the play itself.
And on the other end of things, I have bought quite a few "NFL Gear" products recently, ya know, bc....
Terpman22
Footballguy
Yes.
So it seems the angle they are going to use to try to ban the play is "No pushing of the ball carrier unless he has already reached the line of scrimmage" or "No pushing the ball carrier from behind the line of scrimmage"
Terpman22
Footballguy
Also, haha this is funny.
2022 - Eagles go to Super Bowl - NFL reviews the Tush Push
2023 - Eagles don't go to Super Bowl, nothing on the Tush Push
2024 - Eagles win the Super Bowl - One of the teams left in the wake of this victory officially calls for play to be banned
2022 - Eagles go to Super Bowl - NFL reviews the Tush Push
2023 - Eagles don't go to Super Bowl, nothing on the Tush Push
2024 - Eagles win the Super Bowl - One of the teams left in the wake of this victory officially calls for play to be banned
