Tuten vs Skattabo (1 Viewer)

[starks]

Both of these guys seem to be running in the same area mid/early second round of rookie drafts. I was just wondering what everyone’s preference is here.

Tuten Pros:
Athletic Freak
Hand picked by Liam Cohen (see Bucky Irving)
High floor on potentially insane offense

Tuten Cons:
Depth chart, people seem more concerned about Bigsby than EtN
Ball security

Skattabo Pros:
Depth chart
Potential for every down role

Skattabo Cons:
Age/Pedigree
Bad offense

 

[Don Quixote]

I’ve gone with Tuten in a couple of drafts where Skattebo was still an option. Think his ceiling is higher than Skattebo’s.

 

[menobrown]

Drafted next to each other in the real NFL draft and in every single rookie draft I've done they are always RB 7 and 8.

A few things on your pro's and con's list to consider:

You list age/pedigree as a con under Skattebo but he's the same age almost to the month as Tuten and as mentioned they were drafted b2b, which to me is what pedigree means. So this seems like a non-factor when deciding between them.

You listed ball security under Tuten's cons. I think this applies to both of them as I believe Tuten had 9 fumbles and Cam had 10. So this seems like a non-factor as well.

I'd add I don't think Tuten was hand picked by Cohen. He of course wanted Harvey, as did Gladstone, but Cohen was hard pushing to get aggressive to get Harvey and Gladstone had to talk him down. I think it was more Gladstone who wanted Tuten, discussed a plan for him with Kahn in his interview and I think ultimately sold Cohen on his vision for him.

In terms of the answer to your question, which I don't think is a slam dunk at all, I would go with Tuten. Better offense, and I just trust his skill set translates better. But it's one of those calls I view as so close I'd recommend going with your gut, feel or whoever you think you'll enjoy rooting for the most.

 

[mjb03003]

This is definitely a tricky one. In most of my drafts, Skattebo has gone a few picks earlier. I haven't yet been in a spot where I was seeking RB and had to make this call.

That said, I've gone through the mental exercise a few times and I don't have a confident answer. I have Tuten on one squad (got him at 2.09) so far and would like to come away with Skattebo somewhere just for the exposure.

My main hesitation with Skattebo is that I can't figure out how the Giants would split work between he and Tracy since both are weapons in the passing game and the receiving ability is probably Tracy's biggest strength. It would be a shame to see Skattebo pigeon-holed into more of a traditional 2-down role since he's such a good receiving back. Perhaps they will rotate series? Devin Singletary is a forgotten man, but he's always been a solid back and probably still has some fans in the coaching staff. I think he probably still gets some touches.

My main hesitation with Tuten is that I think he could have a steeper hill to climb to get on the field and see meaningful touches in 2025. I know Coen "hand-picked" him and he has athleticism for days, but he could have to wait until 2026 to see the kind of opportunity we can trust in lineups. He could be very efficient on limited touches and flash all the potential in the world and still be just a fringe flex/depth option in 2025. Which just means for dynasty, he might be someone you can acquire mid-season at something of a discount vs. investing a 2nd round rookie pick on him.

 

[steelcityman]

Gun to my head, Tuten, but not taking either if I dont have to, rather take a WR or TE. I guess Tuten can be better than what they have now, but still has to battle thru those guys to meaningful PT, and not fumble.

 

[JohnnyU]

Tuten is the perfect taxi squad stash.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

It's a fair debate for sure, but I lean Skattebo. Unless you're telling me Etienne is getting traded this offseason, I just think there's a cleaner path to the top role in '25 for Skattebo. Am I selling Tracy short? Quite possibly. Even if it proves to be a split, I think the first pile-driving TD run is going to get someone in my league hot and bothered.

One of the talking heads mentioned Jarquez Hunter as an arbitrage Bayshul Tuten that you can get later in the draft and I think that makes some sense even if a '26 Etienne exodus seems like more of a sure thing than Kyren Williams.

 

[menobrown]

I'm really not getting the argument that Tuten has a steeper hill to climb for opportunity. The way ETN has been playing the last two years I don't see a huge difference in ETN/Bigsby vs Tracy/Singletary AND this is very key is that those two RB's for the Giants were acquired by their current regime, have loyalties to them in that regard but in Jax no such loyalties exist.

I own ETN/Bigsby and Tracy in several leagues and barely drafted these two(Tuten 1x, Cam 0) so I'm pulling for the incumbents but just saying I don't feel any more confident of the Jags maintaining their spot on the depth chart then I do of the Giants. All unknown and up in the air to me.

I've heard both Bucky Brooks(who is a Jags radio announcer) and Jags beat writer Shipley both predict that Tuten will be be starting games at some point next season with Bucky saying this notion that Tuten is a COP is misguided.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I wouldn't call it opportunity more so than volume ceiling in '25 and possibly beyond. Skattebo checks the goalline and receiving boxes (his pass protection does need work).

I think there's some logic in how Clay got to 900 total yards, 5TDs, 29 receptions for Skattebo vs Tuten's 470, 3TDs, & 15 receptions. Tuten isn't much smaller, but I'm not sure that he's ultimately the guy smashing in from the 1. With that said, I'm definitely taking the over on Tuten based on those projections. Very possible that Singletary is getting short shrift and Etienne/Bigsby are both too high.

I think '26 is a bit more wide open and I wouldn't fault anyone for liking Tuten more. It's certainly possible he takes the top spot over in '25, I just like Skattebo's chances of surpassing Tracy a little bit more.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

12 team No PPR (soon to convert to half ppr)
1.13 Skat (toilet bowl)
2.03 Tuten (me)

14 team PPR
1.13 Skat
2.02 Tuten

12 team PPR (with toilet bowl pick as pick 13)
2.01 Skat
2.05 Tuten

Zero RBs taken inbetween for each.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

FWIW, Blue isn't far behind IMO. If he can hold onto the ball, he's going to smoke Javonte.

 

[menobrown]

FWIW, Blue isn't far behind IMO. If he can hold onto the ball, he's going to smoke Javonte.

Agree.

I got them all in the same tier, a tier which makes up just the 3 of them and then it drops off considerably.

 

[mjb03003]

https://x.com/CoachspeakIndex/status/1924560543198937449

#Jaguars HC Liam Coen on how Bhayshul Tuten is looking:

“He put the ball on the ground today, that kinda stands out… Good learning experience, first time in a live setting in the National Football League on your first carry — hopefully you learn something from that moment.”

 

[Penguin]

https://x.com/CoachspeakIndex/status/1924560543198937449

#Jaguars HC Liam Coen on how Bhayshul Tuten is looking:

“He put the ball on the ground today, that kinda stands out… Good learning experience, first time in a live setting in the National Football League on your first carry — hopefully you learn something from that moment.”

Was just going to post this

 

[JohnnyU]

FWIW, Blue isn't far behind IMO. If he can hold onto the ball, he's going to smoke Javonte.

I doubt he will stand out as a runner. Kind of a James White kind of dude.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FWIW, Blue isn't far behind IMO. If he can hold onto the ball, he's going to smoke Javonte.

I doubt he will stand out as a runner. Kind of a James White kind of dude.

Agreed. I see Blue as a 3rd down receiving specialist with upside for a few more touches - he’s a difficult to trust Flex type with BYE week value for depth in PPR, but getting overhyped by Dallas drafting him.

I’m starting to suspect the starting RB for the cowboys isn’t on the roster yet. Chubb seems like a very Jerry Jones type acquisition/fit, but I don’t see it being Blue regardless of what ends up happening.

Skettebo & Tuten are getting some love but I’m not sure how justified it is. Both have opportunities. ETN is likely on his way out, Bigsby not far behind him. Ball security is an issue.

I’m not convinced Skattebo has enough burst to have NFL success. I could be wrong.

Tuten has that crazy 4.32 speed, and that plays in the NFL. Plus he’s a pick of the new regime - meanwhile, Skattebo’s regime might be in their last year, which IMO makes him much riskier.

Conclusion:
Of the 3 mentioned in here, if I had a mid-to-late second to gamble with, I’m grabbing Tuten & hoping for the best. He has the best chance of both upsetting the incumbents for touches combined with potential longevity.

 

[massraider]

I'm more nervous about Tracy than anyone in JAX, and more nervous about overall strength of offense in NY.

 

[menobrown]

Tuten is the perfect taxi squad stash.

Older RB's seem like the least perfect kind of taxi squad stashes.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

FWIW, Blue isn't far behind IMO. If he can hold onto the ball, he's going to smoke Javonte.

I doubt he will stand out as a runner. Kind of a James White kind of dude.

If Tuten drafters get a James White career out of an early 2nd round pick, I'm not sure we'd be complaining. I guess I wonder what some expect out of a pick in this range?

"Had my hopes on more of a Bijan type of outcome?"

Or how about this "More of an Ekeler type"

Smaller backs with good receiving profiles can be good backs

 

[menobrown]

FWIW, Blue isn't far behind IMO. If he can hold onto the ball, he's going to smoke Javonte.

I doubt he will stand out as a runner. Kind of a James White kind of dude.

If Tuten drafters get a James White career out of an early 2nd round pick, I'm not sure we'd be complaining. I guess I wonder what some expect out of a pick in this range?

"Had my hopes on more of a Bijan type of outcome?"

Or how about this "More of an Ekeler type"

Smaller backs with good receiving profiles can be good backs

He's not Gibbs, but that's his type IMO.

 

[Moonlight]

https://x.com/CoachspeakIndex/status/1924560543198937449

#Jaguars HC Liam Coen on how Bhayshul Tuten is looking:

“He put the ball on the ground today, that kinda stands out… Good learning experience, first time in a live setting in the National Football League on your first carry — hopefully you learn something from that moment.”

FF? As in fatal flaw. Likely why he wasn't drafted earlier in spite of his other goodliness.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

https://x.com/CoachspeakIndex/status/1924560543198937449

#Jaguars HC Liam Coen on how Bhayshul Tuten is looking:

“He put the ball on the ground today, that kinda stands out… Good learning experience, first time in a live setting in the National Football League on your first carry — hopefully you learn something from that moment.”

FF? As in fatal flaw. Likely why he wasn't drafted earlier in spite of his other goodliness.

There's also the fact that he was the least efficient receiver out of the backfield in all of college football last year. Historically inefficient on 20+ catches, actually.

The most efficient? Cam Skattebo.

 

[travdogg]

Seems like I'll be in the minority, but I've got Skattebo light years ahead of Tuten. I think Skattebo is an NFL starter caliber RB, I think Tuten is a project guy, who projects more toward ST as a rookie. I also think Etienne/Bigsby>>Singletary/Tracy. Etienne is only a year removed from an RB3 overall finish.

I think Skattebo is vastly underrated due to 40 time, and Tuten is vastly overrated due to 40 time. Skattebo is a better player at everything else in my eyes. Vision, power, receiving, blocking, you name it, Skattebo is much better.

I'm reminded of a debate from 2018, comparing James Conner to Matt Breida. Breida was a hot flavor of the month guy, due to some big plays here and there, but was just a guy who was fast and that's it. Conner has been underrated his entire career, due to his 40 time, and I can't help but think something similar is gonna happen with Skattebo. I feel very strongly the NFL screwed up letting Skattebo fall to day 3.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

@travdogg fwiw Waldman is similarly bullish about Skattebo and pessimistic about Tuten.

 

[warpig33]

Both of these guys seem to be running in the same area mid/early second round of rookie drafts. I was just wondering what everyone’s preference is here.

Tuten Pros:
Athletic Freak
Hand picked by Liam Cohen (see Bucky Irving)
High floor on potentially insane offense

Tuten Cons:
Depth chart, people seem more concerned about Bigsby than EtN
Ball security

Skattabo Pros:
Depth chart
Potential for every down role

Skattabo Cons:
Age/Pedigree
Bad offense

Ok, I'll be "THAT" guy...

(Elephant sitting in the corner)...Skattabo Cons: He's a white RB in the NFL

Quick! Name a successful white RB that is a starting RB in the NFL NOT NAMED CMC. Add to that, he's not a blazer (wasn't he a 4.6 or 4.7 guy?). I just don't think he'll be given a legit chance to be the bellcow for any longer than a year or two. There will be another RB that can play on all 3 downs but blazed a 4.4 that will probably replace him in a couple/few years. Maybe the best thing you can hope for is a Rex Burkhead type of career?

I hope I'm wrong...but I doubt it.

And this isn't very promising: https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/rb

 

[titusbramble]

I was surprised when Tuten went a couple of doors spots before I ended up picking Skattebo in my rookie draft. Cam seems like having a clearer path to relevance in year one, and probably a better blueprint for having a longer career. Tuten may well have a couple of good seasons or more and definitely good luck to the lad, but for me it's Skattebo and it's not that hard a call

 

[pinkstapler]

I had Skattebo two full tiers above Tuten in my predraft ranks; so even if I like Tuten's draft landing spot/situation a little better than Cam's (and I do), it's hard not to stick with the guy I had that much higher predraft.

 

[JohnnyU]

I had Skattebo two full tiers above Tuten in my predraft ranks; so even if I like Tuten's draft landing spot/situation a little better than Cam's (and I do), it's hard not to stick with the guy I had that much higher predraft.

I like having the ability to make adjustments if deemed necessary. Being wrong can be a learning experience

 

[pinkstapler]

I had Skattebo two full tiers above Tuten in my predraft ranks; so even if I like Tuten's draft landing spot/situation a little better than Cam's (and I do), it's hard not to stick with the guy I had that much higher predraft.

I like having the ability to make adjustments if deemed necessary. Being wrong can be a learning experience

Not really sure of the point you're making.

I had Cam in the Judkins/Henderson tier predraft. When he fell to the fourth round in the NFL I bumped him down my ranks due to draft capital. I had Tuten higher than consensus predraft as well, but with early 4th round capital he pretty much stayed in the same spot for me. So they had pretty much the same exact draft capital in the NFL, and while Tuten's landing spot may be slightly better than Cam's, I perceived Cam to be a MUCH larger talent than Tuten predraft. Nothing else has happened for that to change.

 

[msudaisy26]

I like Tuten. I could easily see him taking over next season. If Etienne struggles again this year, then I could see him getting the passing game/ change of pace work. If Tank struggles I could see Etienne taking Tanks role and Tuten taking Etiennes roles. I also wouldn't be surprised if Etienne was traded before the start of the year.

 

[starks]

Both of these guys seem to be running in the same area mid/early second round of rookie drafts. I was just wondering what everyone’s preference is here.

Tuten Pros:
Athletic Freak
Hand picked by Liam Cohen (see Bucky Irving)
High floor on potentially insane offense

Tuten Cons:
Depth chart, people seem more concerned about Bigsby than EtN
Ball security

Skattabo Pros:
Depth chart
Potential for every down role

Skattabo Cons:
Age/Pedigree
Bad offense

Ok, I'll be "THAT" guy...

(Elephant sitting in the corner)...Skattabo Cons: He's a white RB in the NFL

Quick! Name a successful white RB that is a starting RB in the NFL NOT NAMED CMC. Add to that, he's not a blazer (wasn't he a 4.6 or 4.7 guy?). I just don't think he'll be given a legit chance to be the bellcow for any longer than a year or two. There will be another RB that can play on all 3 downs but blazed a 4.4 that will probably replace him in a couple/few years. Maybe the best thing you can hope for is a Rex Burkhead type of career?

I hope I'm wrong...but I doubt it.

And this isn't very promising: https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/rb

I don’t think there is an elephant. He is no CMC and Gerhart I feel like he offers more. White RBs, when they come around, don’t pan out typically. I would settle for half of Alstots TD production at goal line sprinkled in with time share

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

10-yard split on pro day was fine. I think the 3rd & 4th round hit rates are good reason to stay sober about the outlook for any of the backs in this range. Race is not an issue. Maybe if there was a long history of white RBs getting hyped up and busting. That list includes who? Toby Gerhart and anyone who bought in on Hillis after he made the Madden cover?

 

[massraider]

Tuten ran 4.31 at the Combine. I dunno if I see 4.31 in-game.

I'm watching highlights, and he looks fast, but not Chris Johnson fast. Watched Jaydon Blue right before that, who looks more electric and shifty (thank God Blue doesn't have dreads sticking out his helmet, the Jamaal Charles comps would be everywhere).

Just highlights, I never watched a game, so I'm ready to be incorrect, but when I looked up his numbers, I was surprised at 4.31.

 

[msudaisy26]

Tuten ran 4.31 at the Combine. I dunno if I see 4.31 in-game.

I'm watching highlights, and he looks fast, but not Chris Johnson fast. Watched Jaydon Blue right before that, who looks more electric and shifty (thank God Blue doesn't have dreads sticking out his helmet, the Jamaal Charles comps would be everywhere).

Just highlights, I never watched a game, so I'm ready to be incorrect, but when I looked up his numbers, I was surprised at 4.31.

Even if 4.31 is generous and he more 4.40ish that is still plenty fast for a rb especially for a guy listed at 5'9" 206.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think Woody Marks more than either of them.

 

[menobrown]

Tuten ran 4.31 at the Combine. I dunno if I see 4.31 in-game.

I'm watching highlights, and he looks fast, but not Chris Johnson fast. Watched Jaydon Blue right before that, who looks more electric and shifty (thank God Blue doesn't have dreads sticking out his helmet, the Jamaal Charles comps would be everywhere).

Just highlights, I never watched a game, so I'm ready to be incorrect, but when I looked up his numbers, I was surprised at 4.31.

I went down a rabbit hole after the combine studying 40 time, MPH and checking that what I saw from them and feel like you are spot on, especially with Tuten.

Tuten had the fastest 40 but he starts losing ground after the 20 yard marker and by the end of his run he's the 7th fastest RB. This is not so bad to me fwiw, just shows, along with the rest of his workout numbers that he's very explosive, just may not be taking runs the distance like someone we think would who runs a 4.31. I feel like you see this on his games and highlights as well.

Blue is the fastest RB in the class at 30 yards, falls off a tad but still 4th fastest at the end. He was not the best RB I watched, but he was the most electric I saw.

 

[Riffraff]

Even 32 teams in the NFL draft know to toot before you scat.

 

[BigTex]

Cam’s bio reminds us that he was the first RB with 150-plus yards and two TDs in the Big 12 championship game since Adrian Peterson in 2004, the first FBS player with 1,500 rushing yards and 500 receiving yards since Christian McCaffrey, and that his four games with 200-plus scrimmage yards are tied with Chuba Hubbard for the most in the Big 12 in the last 20 years.

Tex

 

[Birdie048]

From my 12 Team PPR Rookie Draft:

2.03 - Cam Skattebo RB7

2.09 - Bhayshul Tuten RB8

3.01 - Jaydon Blue RB9

3.03 Dylan Sampson RB10

I took Tuten & Blue because BPA but I think Tuten offers a better short term investment than Skat due to the whole NYG poor offense.
While JAX is making strong strides to be a better offensive system, they have no where to go but up.

 

[Big Nate]

Seems like I'll be in the minority, but I've got Skattebo light years ahead of Tuten. I think Skattebo is an NFL starter caliber RB, I think Tuten is a project guy, who projects more toward ST as a rookie. I also think Etienne/Bigsby>>Singletary/Tracy. Etienne is only a year removed from an RB3 overall finish.

I think Skattebo is vastly underrated due to 40 time, and Tuten is vastly overrated due to 40 time. Skattebo is a better player at everything else in my eyes. Vision, power, receiving, blocking, you name it, Skattebo is much better.

I'm reminded of a debate from 2018, comparing James Conner to Matt Breida. Breida was a hot flavor of the month guy, due to some big plays here and there, but was just a guy who was fast and that's it. Conner has been underrated his entire career, due to his 40 time, and I can't help but think something similar is gonna happen with Skattebo. I feel very strongly the NFL screwed up letting Skattebo fall to day 3.

At this point I'm with you - Scattebo is my choice.

Coach already said Tuten fumbled in practice and he already has ball security issues. Matt Waldman has posted on this mentioning his 1 fumble every 67 carries or so which is concerning. He definitely needs to clean it up or the coaches just won't play him. Tuten had 9 fumbles in his last 2 years.

Tuten has almost everything else going for him so hopefully he can fix the fumble issues.

 

[Don Quixote]

I’m not bothered by him fumbling in practice and coach calling him out on it at this stage. Quick lesson for him that he needs to clean it up. Fumbling is a fixable thing with good coaching and if he works on it. Tiki Barber had fumbling issues early in his career, but got the message and changed how he held the ball and was able to correct. Projections are tough, but he will either get it or not.

 

[menobrown]

Seems like I'll be in the minority, but I've got Skattebo light years ahead of Tuten. I think Skattebo is an NFL starter caliber RB, I think Tuten is a project guy, who projects more toward ST as a rookie. I also think Etienne/Bigsby>>Singletary/Tracy. Etienne is only a year removed from an RB3 overall finish.

I think Skattebo is vastly underrated due to 40 time, and Tuten is vastly overrated due to 40 time. Skattebo is a better player at everything else in my eyes. Vision, power, receiving, blocking, you name it, Skattebo is much better.

I'm reminded of a debate from 2018, comparing James Conner to Matt Breida. Breida was a hot flavor of the month guy, due to some big plays here and there, but was just a guy who was fast and that's it. Conner has been underrated his entire career, due to his 40 time, and I can't help but think something similar is gonna happen with Skattebo. I feel very strongly the NFL screwed up letting Skattebo fall to day 3.

At this point I'm with you - Scattebo is my choice.

Coach already said Tuten fumbled in practice and he already has ball security issues. Matt Waldman has posted on this mentioning his 1 fumble every 67 carries or so which is concerning. He definitely needs to clean it up or the coaches just won't play him. Tuten had 9 fumbles in his last 2 years.

Tuten has almost everything else going for him so hopefully he can fix the fumble issues.

It's just so odd to me to cite this as a reason for preferring Skattebo when he's fumbled 10X, once every 75.2 touches over the last 3 years.

To be clear no issue at all for preferring Cam over Tuten, just don't understand this being the reason.

 

[travdogg]

Seems like I'll be in the minority, but I've got Skattebo light years ahead of Tuten. I think Skattebo is an NFL starter caliber RB, I think Tuten is a project guy, who projects more toward ST as a rookie. I also think Etienne/Bigsby>>Singletary/Tracy. Etienne is only a year removed from an RB3 overall finish.

I think Skattebo is vastly underrated due to 40 time, and Tuten is vastly overrated due to 40 time. Skattebo is a better player at everything else in my eyes. Vision, power, receiving, blocking, you name it, Skattebo is much better.

I'm reminded of a debate from 2018, comparing James Conner to Matt Breida. Breida was a hot flavor of the month guy, due to some big plays here and there, but was just a guy who was fast and that's it. Conner has been underrated his entire career, due to his 40 time, and I can't help but think something similar is gonna happen with Skattebo. I feel very strongly the NFL screwed up letting Skattebo fall to day 3.

At this point I'm with you - Scattebo is my choice.

Coach already said Tuten fumbled in practice and he already has ball security issues. Matt Waldman has posted on this mentioning his 1 fumble every 67 carries or so which is concerning. He definitely needs to clean it up or the coaches just won't play him. Tuten had 9 fumbles in his last 2 years.

Tuten has almost everything else going for him so hopefully he can fix the fumble issues.

It's just so odd to me to cite this as a reason for preferring Skattebo when he's fumbled 10X, once every 75.2 touches over the last 3 years.

To be clear no issue at all for preferring Cam over Tuten, just don't understand this being the reason.

Skattebo and Tuten had the same amount of fumbles last season, despite Tuten having 132 fewer touches. I don't see Skattebo as being fumble prone. 1 per 87 touches the last 2 years, while Tuten is at 1 per 45 touches. I would agree fumbles shouldn't be the main reason someone prefers Skattebo over Tuten (everything other than straight line speed should be) but its a part of the picture.

Truthfully, I really don't see what people see in Tuten. I was shocked he went as high as he did, I thought there was a shot he'd go undrafted, as nothing about him other than his straight-line speed impresses me, and I'd honestly be pretty surprised if he passed Bigsby, let alone Etienne, in Jacksonville. Tuten getting drafted over Dylan Sampson is a failure of scouting in my opinion.

I don't have Tuten as a top-10 RB in this class. I don't see a big difference (in talent, not style) between Tuten and LeQuint Allen.

 

[warpig33]

Tiki Barber and his fumbling problem was in a different era. Coaches/owners now are far more impatient. Look at how quick these backs get yanked if they fumble. And then, look which teams drafted RBs this year. Rhamondre had 7 fumbles last year, enter Treveyon Henderson. Aaron Jones fumbled 5 times, enter Mason. Kyren Williams fumbled 5 times, enter Corum and Hunter. Tyrone Tracy fumbled 5 times, enter Cam Skat. The RBs these teams brought in are just as talented, if not MORE, than the incumbents. There are other RBs that may have fumbled less but they were benched at some point and went MIA for a game or few as well (can't recall specifics incidents but I seem to recall some). And the fact that Tuten and Skat were both 4th rounders, I don't see coaches really caring to be patient with them. It's all about what have you done for me lately and immediate gratification now. If the fumbles persiste, these guys will never be heard from again and may not even get a legit shot during the regular season.

 

[menobrown]

Tiki Barber and his fumbling problem was in a different era. Coaches/owners now are far more impatient. Look at how quick these backs get yanked if they fumble. And then, look which teams drafted RBs this year. Rhamondre had 7 fumbles last year, enter Treveyon Henderson. Aaron Jones fumbled 5 times, enter Mason. Kyren Williams fumbled 5 times, enter Corum and Hunter. Tyrone Tracy fumbled 5 times, enter Cam Skat. The RBs these teams brought in are just as talented, if not MORE, than the incumbents. There are other RBs that may have fumbled less but they were benched at some point and went MIA for a game or few as well (can't recall specifics incidents but I seem to recall some). And the fact that Tuten and Skat were both 4th rounders, I don't see coaches really caring to be patient with them. It's all about what have you done for me lately and immediate gratification now. If the fumbles persiste, these guys will never be heard from again and may not even get a legit shot during the regular season.

I recall arguing last off-season on Lloyd that I think new school coaches are more tolerant then old school coaches used to be.

I think there are a lot of other reasons those teams drafted RB's. If the Rams were concerned about Kyren Williams fumbling they'd not be trying to extend him. If the Giants were down on Tracy for fumbling you sure don't look at drafting a RB with fumbling issues of his own as the answer. NE needed speed on offense and help protecting Kaleb and Aaron Jones is an older RB whose workload they want to decrease.

For me, I think how much of a leash most coaches will give fumblers is how well you perform, especially relative to the other options on the team. RB is one of the most replaceable positions in the league, you sure can't be just a guy and fumbler and last long. That I think we do agree on.

 

[Big Nate]

Tiki Barber and his fumbling problem was in a different era. Coaches/owners now are far more impatient. Look at how quick these backs get yanked if they fumble. And then, look which teams drafted RBs this year. Rhamondre had 7 fumbles last year, enter Treveyon Henderson. Aaron Jones fumbled 5 times, enter Mason. Kyren Williams fumbled 5 times, enter Corum and Hunter. Tyrone Tracy fumbled 5 times, enter Cam Skat. The RBs these teams brought in are just as talented, if not MORE, than the incumbents. There are other RBs that may have fumbled less but they were benched at some point and went MIA for a game or few as well (can't recall specifics incidents but I seem to recall some). And the fact that Tuten and Skat were both 4th rounders, I don't see coaches really caring to be patient with them. It's all about what have you done for me lately and immediate gratification now. If the fumbles persiste, these guys will never be heard from again and may not even get a legit shot during the regular season.

I recall arguing last off-season on Lloyd that I think new school coaches are more tolerant then old school coaches used to be.

I think there are a lot of other reasons those teams drafted RB's. If the Rams were concerned about Kyren Williams fumbling they'd not be trying to extend him. If the Giants were down on Tracy for fumbling you sure don't look at drafting a RB with fumbling issues of his own as the answer. NE needed speed on offense and help protecting Kaleb and Aaron Jones is an older RB whose workload they want to decrease.

For me, I think how much of a leash most coaches will give fumblers is how well you perform, especially relative to the other options on the team. RB is one of the most replaceable positions in the league, you sure can't be just a guy and fumbler and last long. That I think we do agree on.

Not disagreeing just wanted to say this:

I believe Scattebo only had 3 fumbles in 2024 on 340 touches which is 1 ever 113 touches. MUCH better than Tuten.

I bring up the fumbles because the coach is already talking about Tuten putting it on the carpet in rookie/OTAs. I do like both guys but Tuten does give me pause if he can't fix the fumbles as the coach is already bringing up.

This is a good discussion but both could end up good players. Both could also bust. They have both done nothing in the NFL yet.

FWIW I think Scattebo beating out Tracy or even being the #2 has a higher percentage of Tuten beating out both Etienne and Bigsby. JAX also drafted Allen and Jackson who both have a bit of excitement behind them.

I'm keeping my mind open but at this time I'd rather Scattebo than Tuten but things can and do change.

 

[menobrown]

Tiki Barber and his fumbling problem was in a different era. Coaches/owners now are far more impatient. Look at how quick these backs get yanked if they fumble. And then, look which teams drafted RBs this year. Rhamondre had 7 fumbles last year, enter Treveyon Henderson. Aaron Jones fumbled 5 times, enter Mason. Kyren Williams fumbled 5 times, enter Corum and Hunter. Tyrone Tracy fumbled 5 times, enter Cam Skat. The RBs these teams brought in are just as talented, if not MORE, than the incumbents. There are other RBs that may have fumbled less but they were benched at some point and went MIA for a game or few as well (can't recall specifics incidents but I seem to recall some). And the fact that Tuten and Skat were both 4th rounders, I don't see coaches really caring to be patient with them. It's all about what have you done for me lately and immediate gratification now. If the fumbles persiste, these guys will never be heard from again and may not even get a legit shot during the regular season.

I recall arguing last off-season on Lloyd that I think new school coaches are more tolerant then old school coaches used to be.

I think there are a lot of other reasons those teams drafted RB's. If the Rams were concerned about Kyren Williams fumbling they'd not be trying to extend him. If the Giants were down on Tracy for fumbling you sure don't look at drafting a RB with fumbling issues of his own as the answer. NE needed speed on offense and help protecting Kaleb and Aaron Jones is an older RB whose workload they want to decrease.

For me, I think how much of a leash most coaches will give fumblers is how well you perform, especially relative to the other options on the team. RB is one of the most replaceable positions in the league, you sure can't be just a guy and fumbler and last long. That I think we do agree on.

Not disagreeing just wanted to say this:

I believe Scattebo only had 3 fumbles in 2024 on 340 touches which is 1 ever 113 touches. MUCH better than Tuten.

I bring up the fumbles because the coach is already talking about Tuten putting it on the carpet in rookie/OTAs. I do like both guys but Tuten does give me pause if he can't fix the fumbles as the coach is already bringing up.

This is a good discussion but both could end up good players. Both could also bust. They have both done nothing in the NFL yet.

FWIW I think Scattebo beating out Tracy or even being the #2 has a higher percentage of Tuten beating out both Etienne and Bigsby. JAX also drafted Allen and Jackson who both have a bit of excitement behind them.

I'm keeping my mind open but at this time I'd rather Scattebo than Tuten but things can and do change.

All the opinions you gave on the other stuff I got no quibble with. I don't really agree as I think Tracy is actually very good but I've already gave my opinion on that your points are all valid and many here agree with you.

I still think Skatteboo's got just as much of a fumbling issue and just using last years stats seems like cherry picking to me. I know I heard a lot about it in the lead up to the draft as it being a major concern, read one anonymous OC shower all kinds of praise on Skatteboo but said the fumbling issue was the major negative.

So again just making the point that while I certainly understand why you prefer Skatteboo as many others do, I just am saying the one reason it should not be is because of ball security.

 

[Big Nate]

Tiki Barber and his fumbling problem was in a different era. Coaches/owners now are far more impatient. Look at how quick these backs get yanked if they fumble. And then, look which teams drafted RBs this year. Rhamondre had 7 fumbles last year, enter Treveyon Henderson. Aaron Jones fumbled 5 times, enter Mason. Kyren Williams fumbled 5 times, enter Corum and Hunter. Tyrone Tracy fumbled 5 times, enter Cam Skat. The RBs these teams brought in are just as talented, if not MORE, than the incumbents. There are other RBs that may have fumbled less but they were benched at some point and went MIA for a game or few as well (can't recall specifics incidents but I seem to recall some). And the fact that Tuten and Skat were both 4th rounders, I don't see coaches really caring to be patient with them. It's all about what have you done for me lately and immediate gratification now. If the fumbles persiste, these guys will never be heard from again and may not even get a legit shot during the regular season.

I recall arguing last off-season on Lloyd that I think new school coaches are more tolerant then old school coaches used to be.

I think there are a lot of other reasons those teams drafted RB's. If the Rams were concerned about Kyren Williams fumbling they'd not be trying to extend him. If the Giants were down on Tracy for fumbling you sure don't look at drafting a RB with fumbling issues of his own as the answer. NE needed speed on offense and help protecting Kaleb and Aaron Jones is an older RB whose workload they want to decrease.

For me, I think how much of a leash most coaches will give fumblers is how well you perform, especially relative to the other options on the team. RB is one of the most replaceable positions in the league, you sure can't be just a guy and fumbler and last long. That I think we do agree on.

Not disagreeing just wanted to say this:

I believe Scattebo only had 3 fumbles in 2024 on 340 touches which is 1 ever 113 touches. MUCH better than Tuten.

I bring up the fumbles because the coach is already talking about Tuten putting it on the carpet in rookie/OTAs. I do like both guys but Tuten does give me pause if he can't fix the fumbles as the coach is already bringing up.

This is a good discussion but both could end up good players. Both could also bust. They have both done nothing in the NFL yet.

FWIW I think Scattebo beating out Tracy or even being the #2 has a higher percentage of Tuten beating out both Etienne and Bigsby. JAX also drafted Allen and Jackson who both have a bit of excitement behind them.

I'm keeping my mind open but at this time I'd rather Scattebo than Tuten but things can and do change.

All the opinions you gave on the other stuff I got no quibble with. I don't really agree as I think Tracy is actually very good but I've already gave my opinion on that your points are all valid and many here agree with you.

I still think Skatteboo's got just as much of a fumbling issue and just using last years stats seems like cherry picking to me. I know I heard a lot about it in the lead up to the draft as it being a major concern, read one anonymous OC shower all kinds of praise on Skatteboo but said the fumbling issue was the major negative.

So again just making the point that while I certainly understand why you prefer Skatteboo as many others do, I just am saying the one reason it should not be is because of ball security.

For either back I don't expect them to be the starter in the first half of the season. Best they can both do is work into a share/committee. I just think Scattebo has an easier road ahead "right now". I know there has been talk about JAX eventually moving on from Etienne and/or Bigsby but I think both of those 2 are in the mix for starting this year and sharing touches.

As for fumbling I think Scattebo improved last year which is what I was getting at. Tuten could improve as well but its already being discussed by the coach infront of the media which immediately gives me pause.

Just how I view things now - lots can change and I will be flexible and shift where necessary. The incumbents on both teams have proven they can play and these 2 RBs have to prove they can but are also better than the current starters. It is an uphill battle for any RB who isn't drafted in the first 2 rounds.

 

[Big Nate]

One last thing, a few of the guys I follow and trust (multiple sources I use) liked Scattebo better than Tuten and I'll defer to them. Not saying everyone should but right now this is where I go with my thoughts.