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Our country if it is ever destroyed will come from within…..
Not necessarily. I don’t agree with it but it’s not an endorsement of Hamas.
I am referring to Jewish settlers as Jewish settlers.
I'm not arguing that it would have been puppys and ice cream in Kenya.
Todem, can you share what is happening over in Israel from anyone there on the ground?
My cousins have told me they have secured their borders again and are surgically striking them. Over 1000 dead in Israel and rising as they find more bodies.
Yeah. There’s a pretty clear exit wound on the back of her head. Wish I hadn’t seen that video.Hope that's true but find it hard to believe.In any case, if there is any good news, maybe this is a shred of one. The young lady paraded half naked in the truck (and presumed dead) evidently is in a Gaza hospital. That's good to see.
Mom of Festival-Goer Shani Louk Says She’s Still Alive in a Gaza Hospital
Jack Guez/AFP via GettyThe mother of a young German woman feared dead after her body was paraded around by Hamas gunmen during the terrorist group’s blitz attack on Israel says she may still be alive after all.In a new video message on Tuesday, Ricarda Louk appealed to authorities to help...news.yahoo.com
If hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinians are killed, that’s not surgical.
Unfortunately a lot of innocent people who didn’t sow anything are going to reap it as well.
Also- let’s be clear- it doesn’t help Israel’s security.
I've known Tommy for a long time on here, pretty authentic whether you agree or disagree.
Gaza is just about the most densely populated place on earth. When every Muslim country closes their doors to even a humanitarian escape corridor I'm not sure what else there is but the hard way.
Ukraine, and our support of them, has absolutely nothing to do with this
I did not say they will kill 100’s of thousands. But there will potentially be that many people in a humanitarian crisis.
Won’t be achieved in our lifetime if I were a betting man.
Video of iron dome in action. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR7HQ4bn/
The same thing the Germans should have done when the Nazis took over, fight them back internally in every arena. Overthrow them, vote them out, refuse to help, etc.
But our pocket book does
Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Except the Palestinians weren't starving, not even close. It wasn't as comfortable as the majority of 1st world countries, but it's wasn’t as bad as Aden or Damascus either. They don't have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world if they were starving.Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Full disclosure, my wife is Jewish, and her family tree more closely resembles a weed due to the Holocaust. I’m biased toward Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are responsible for their actions on Saturday.
But this is obviously bigger than Saturday, and eye-for-an-eye responses have gone on for far too long. At some point restraint has to be the way forward. Would I be able to walk that walk if it were my kids who had been brutally murdered? Probably not, but we need that kind of leadership.
And as James Baldwin said: “If I am starving, you are not safe.” Thats no excuse for Hamas, but it’s true.
What the what now?
What do people expect the Israelis to do?
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Gaza is an extremely poor, impoverished place with food shortages and lack of access to clean water. And it’s adjacent to one of the richest countries on earth.Except the Palestinians weren't starving, not even close. It wasn't as comfortable as the majority of 1st world countries, but it's wasn’t as bad as Aden or Damascus either. They don't have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world if they were starving.Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Full disclosure, my wife is Jewish, and her family tree more closely resembles a weed due to the Holocaust. I’m biased toward Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are responsible for their actions on Saturday.
But this is obviously bigger than Saturday, and eye-for-an-eye responses have gone on for far too long. At some point restraint has to be the way forward. Would I be able to walk that walk if it were my kids who had been brutally murdered? Probably not, but we need that kind of leadership.
And as James Baldwin said: “If I am starving, you are not safe.” Thats no excuse for Hamas, but it’s true.
That's all changing now, and food and necessities are going to be scarce for their near future...so they may be able to play the "starving" card soon enough, but it was not the case prior to this week.
Next to a country whose citizens were stateless until not too long ago. A population who are 2% of the world population and ~50% of the Nobel Prize winners. There is a reason they're rich.
My understanding is Israel pulled out of Gaza a few years ago (2015ish?) and left it to Hamas. But Hamas didn't invest in Gaza except for its terroristic growth. Admittedly very poor (but for thousands of years?) but Hamas had other objectives for investments. And the elephant in the room seems to be how much Iran is really pulling the strings. There are many Mideast countries that I would consider the general residents are rather poor overall, but I don't expect other countries to go on a massacre of innocent residents like Hamas just did in Israel. It does appear there are some "minor" conflicts with Hezbollah and Syria but my guess it will be muted or we end up with quite a conflict overall.Gaza is an extremely poor, impoverished place with food shortages and lack of access to clean water. And it’s adjacent to one of the richest countries on earth.Except the Palestinians weren't starving, not even close. It wasn't as comfortable as the majority of 1st world countries, but it's wasn’t as bad as Aden or Damascus either. They don't have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world if they were starving.Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Full disclosure, my wife is Jewish, and her family tree more closely resembles a weed due to the Holocaust. I’m biased toward Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are responsible for their actions on Saturday.
But this is obviously bigger than Saturday, and eye-for-an-eye responses have gone on for far too long. At some point restraint has to be the way forward. Would I be able to walk that walk if it were my kids who had been brutally murdered? Probably not, but we need that kind of leadership.
And as James Baldwin said: “If I am starving, you are not safe.” Thats no excuse for Hamas, but it’s true.
That's all changing now, and food and necessities are going to be scarce for their near future...so they may be able to play the "starving" card soon enough, but it was not the case prior to this week.
I’m not making excuses for Hamas’ savagery. Just pointing out that those conditions are ripe for violence. When people have nothing to lose bad **** happens.
Not really. There are two components to this problem. For whatever reason there are many who just want to look at one of those components. I support Israel, but my support is no longer unconditional as it was when I was younger. I am now speaking outside of the events of this last weekend specifically. They make day-to-day life pretty poor for Palestinians. We shouldn't ignore that. We also need to distinguish between the average, everyday Palestinian and the radical groups like Hamas. She seems to be speaking of the everyday people of Palestine. Or to put it another way, if she were a poster here and someone challenged her, she'd likely give a popular response given by many here. Something along the lines of "there are a ton of people here speaking ill of Hamas already. I have nothing to add to that part, so I am focused on the other part of this equation that is Israel". She's not entirely wrong, but i do think this is completely and totally the wrong time to be bringing this sort of nuance up. It's just asking for trouble.
You are correct. IDF spokesperson Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said they leveled the University at Gaza and stated once the thousands of buildings are leveled Israel will move in to occupy Gaza. He stated only with Israeli oversight of Gaza will Israel not be subjected to attacks by Hamas from within Gaza. He also put Lebanon on notice to watch what happens to Gaza and you do not want a repeat of this in the North.
I have a serious question the life for Palestinians and within Gaza only got bad once Hamas became the ruling party in 2007. Why did the people not remove from Hamas from power. This is well documented. Why have the Palestinians not united and said Hamas has made our life difficult with all restrictions imposed since Hamas took over lets oust them from power so we can have a normal life. That has not happened.
I don't pretend to know much about quality of life in Gaza, but rapid population growth isn't necessarily a proxy for decent standard of living, or food security, for that matter. For reference, Syria and South Sudan have the highest population growth rates in the world.Except the Palestinians weren't starving, not even close. It wasn't as comfortable as the majority of 1st world countries, but it's wasn’t as bad as Aden or Damascus either. They don't have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world if they were starving.Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Full disclosure, my wife is Jewish, and her family tree more closely resembles a weed due to the Holocaust. I’m biased toward Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are responsible for their actions on Saturday.
But this is obviously bigger than Saturday, and eye-for-an-eye responses have gone on for far too long. At some point restraint has to be the way forward. Would I be able to walk that walk if it were my kids who had been brutally murdered? Probably not, but we need that kind of leadership.
And as James Baldwin said: “If I am starving, you are not safe.” Thats no excuse for Hamas, but it’s true.
That's all changing now, and food and necessities are going to be scarce for their near future...so they may be able to play the "starving" card soon enough, but it was not the case prior to this week.
Right. Egypt is a top 20 nation in terms of wealth and shares Palestinian culture, religion, ethnicity, etc. they could absorb them into their country with relative ease. As someone said before, if the Palestinians are in an open air prison, one of the walls is controlled by their own people.Gaza is an extremely poor, impoverished place with food shortages and lack of access to clean water. And it’s adjacent to one of the richest countries on earth.Except the Palestinians weren't starving, not even close. It wasn't as comfortable as the majority of 1st world countries, but it's wasn’t as bad as Aden or Damascus either. They don't have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world if they were starving.Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Full disclosure, my wife is Jewish, and her family tree more closely resembles a weed due to the Holocaust. I’m biased toward Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are responsible for their actions on Saturday.
But this is obviously bigger than Saturday, and eye-for-an-eye responses have gone on for far too long. At some point restraint has to be the way forward. Would I be able to walk that walk if it were my kids who had been brutally murdered? Probably not, but we need that kind of leadership.
And as James Baldwin said: “If I am starving, you are not safe.” Thats no excuse for Hamas, but it’s true.
That's all changing now, and food and necessities are going to be scarce for their near future...so they may be able to play the "starving" card soon enough, but it was not the case prior to this week.
I’m not making excuses for Hamas’ savagery. Just pointing out that those conditions are ripe for violence. When people have nothing to lose bad **** happens.
Quick correction (sorry): Gaza actually borders Egypt, not Saudi Arabia.Right. Saudi Arabia is a top 20 nation in terms of wealth and shares Palestinian culture, religion, ethnicity, etc. they could absorb them into their country with relative ease. As someone said before, if the Palestinians are in an open air prison, one of the walls is controlled by their own people.Gaza is an extremely poor, impoverished place with food shortages and lack of access to clean water. And it’s adjacent to one of the richest countries on earth.Except the Palestinians weren't starving, not even close. It wasn't as comfortable as the majority of 1st world countries, but it's wasn’t as bad as Aden or Damascus either. They don't have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world if they were starving.Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Full disclosure, my wife is Jewish, and her family tree more closely resembles a weed due to the Holocaust. I’m biased toward Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are responsible for their actions on Saturday.
But this is obviously bigger than Saturday, and eye-for-an-eye responses have gone on for far too long. At some point restraint has to be the way forward. Would I be able to walk that walk if it were my kids who had been brutally murdered? Probably not, but we need that kind of leadership.
And as James Baldwin said: “If I am starving, you are not safe.” Thats no excuse for Hamas, but it’s true.
That's all changing now, and food and necessities are going to be scarce for their near future...so they may be able to play the "starving" card soon enough, but it was not the case prior to this week.
I’m not making excuses for Hamas’ savagery. Just pointing out that those conditions are ripe for violence. When people have nothing to lose bad **** happens.
Gaza is an extremely poor, impoverished place with food shortages and lack of access to clean water. And it’s adjacent to one of the richest countries on earth.Except the Palestinians weren't starving, not even close. It wasn't as comfortable as the majority of 1st world countries, but it's wasn’t as bad as Aden or Damascus either. They don't have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world if they were starving.Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Full disclosure, my wife is Jewish, and her family tree more closely resembles a weed due to the Holocaust. I’m biased toward Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are responsible for their actions on Saturday.
But this is obviously bigger than Saturday, and eye-for-an-eye responses have gone on for far too long. At some point restraint has to be the way forward. Would I be able to walk that walk if it were my kids who had been brutally murdered? Probably not, but we need that kind of leadership.
And as James Baldwin said: “If I am starving, you are not safe.” Thats no excuse for Hamas, but it’s true.
That's all changing now, and food and necessities are going to be scarce for their near future...so they may be able to play the "starving" card soon enough, but it was not the case prior to this week.
I’m not making excuses for Hamas’ savagery. Just pointing out that those conditions are ripe for violence. When people have nothing to lose bad **** happens.
We'll learn more with the passage of time, but there is a decent chance that Putin expressly supported the Hamas attack. He probably did tacitly support it. Iran and Russia are allies. Russia would very much like to shift America's attention to another problem. This particular war will be much more internally divisive (within the US) than the Russia-Ukraine war, so that serves Russia's interests as well.
Of course he is, unless it happens on Russia soil. Then it is an atrocity. Putin is a soulless devil.
This sort of thinking borders on blaming the rape victim for the clothes she is wearing. When you are struggling to get enough food and clean water for your family, many times, that is your focus. Surviving rather than thriving
right thanks. posting in the morning gets my geography all muddled.Quick correction (sorry): Gaza actually borders Egypt, not Saudi Arabia.Right. Saudi Arabia is a top 20 nation in terms of wealth and shares Palestinian culture, religion, ethnicity, etc. they could absorb them into their country with relative ease. As someone said before, if the Palestinians are in an open air prison, one of the walls is controlled by their own people.Gaza is an extremely poor, impoverished place with food shortages and lack of access to clean water. And it’s adjacent to one of the richest countries on earth.Except the Palestinians weren't starving, not even close. It wasn't as comfortable as the majority of 1st world countries, but it's wasn’t as bad as Aden or Damascus either. They don't have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world if they were starving.Good to see you as well MOP. Hope you and the Mrs are well.
Full disclosure, my wife is Jewish, and her family tree more closely resembles a weed due to the Holocaust. I’m biased toward Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are responsible for their actions on Saturday.
But this is obviously bigger than Saturday, and eye-for-an-eye responses have gone on for far too long. At some point restraint has to be the way forward. Would I be able to walk that walk if it were my kids who had been brutally murdered? Probably not, but we need that kind of leadership.
And as James Baldwin said: “If I am starving, you are not safe.” Thats no excuse for Hamas, but it’s true.
That's all changing now, and food and necessities are going to be scarce for their near future...so they may be able to play the "starving" card soon enough, but it was not the case prior to this week.
I’m not making excuses for Hamas’ savagery. Just pointing out that those conditions are ripe for violence. When people have nothing to lose bad **** happens.
But yeah your point is still correct of course. Egypt could absorb the inhabitants of Gaza much more easily than Israel can, especially now. It would not surprise me if that's what ends up happening when this is all over. (That's one of several possible outcomes -- not saying it's the most likely, just that it's one foreseeable possibility).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_demolition_of_Palestinian_property?wprov=sfla1
