What’s worse….a soccer match ending 0-0 or a twelve round boxing match going to decision? (1 Viewer)

[Scoresman]

Facts are one thing. They're to be respected and given proper due.

But someone's opinions on things like entertainment or music or comedy or sports are wildly different.

Trying to tell someone their opinion is "objectively wrong" on how they value entertainment or see a game was one of the more interesting things I've seen on the boards in a while.

All good though.

You've quoted and posted those words (objectively wrong) a few times now in this thread. It's clearly something you don't agree with.

But it was said by one person and I'm not seeing anyone trying to defend it so not sure why it keeps getting repeated as if that's the belief of soccer fans in this thread. It's not.

Most soccer fans here completely understand that not everyone is a fan. We are happy to share/educate about the sport for anyone that is interested in learning or giving it a shot. I'd argue that most that do put away any previous biases and give it a chance come away with at least an appreciation if not a liking for a new sport. But if not, it's no big deal as there's no shortage of fans (here and around the world) and the number only continues to grow, not decrease. As has been pointed out, the interesting thing that comes up every 4 years during this tournament is the suggestions on how to improve a sport to get more fans by those that don't really know much about it. It happens like clockwork here (and elsewhere). If anything, it's been a bit better here so far. But then you get this thread, and well,.....

But again, I think it's pretty clear you didn't like the comment who about opinions being objectively wrong. I just don't see why it keeps getting repeated when it was only one poster in a thread that's 4 pages long already and I don't think a single person has jumped in to defend that post.

I’m the one who said it and I stand by it. I would clarify it to say that I’m talking about opinions that are formed by objectively wrong “facts”.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I’m talking about opinions that are formed by objectively wrong “facts”.

GB, speaking from experience here. You will not enjoy this conversation. Best to let it go.

 

[bigbottom]

Facts are one thing. They're to be respected and given proper due.

But someone's opinions on things like entertainment or music or comedy or sports are wildly different.

Trying to tell someone their opinion is "objectively wrong" on how they value entertainment or see a game was one of the more interesting things I've seen on the boards in a while.

All good though.

You've quoted and posted those words (objectively wrong) a few times now in this thread. It's clearly something you don't agree with.

But it was said by one person and I'm not seeing anyone trying to defend it so not sure why it keeps getting repeated as if that's the belief of soccer fans in this thread. It's not.

Most soccer fans here completely understand that not everyone is a fan. We are happy to share/educate about the sport for anyone that is interested in learning or giving it a shot. I'd argue that most that do put away any previous biases and give it a chance come away with at least an appreciation if not a liking for a new sport. But if not, it's no big deal as there's no shortage of fans (here and around the world) and the number only continues to grow, not decrease. As has been pointed out, the interesting thing that comes up every 4 years during this tournament is the suggestions on how to improve a sport to get more fans by those that don't really know much about it. It happens like clockwork here (and elsewhere). If anything, it's been a bit better here so far. But then you get this thread, and well,.....

But again, I think it's pretty clear you didn't like the comment who about opinions being objectively wrong. I just don't see why it keeps getting repeated when it was only one poster in a thread that's 4 pages long already and I don't think a single person has jumped in to defend that post.

I defended part of it at least and explained my reasoning, which I don’t think is all that controversial. I do tend to agree that it is objectively wrong to say that “number of points equals quality of play” in a soccer game. That said, I’m not sure that anyone in the thread has stated that precise assertion.

 

[FairWarning]

I love how 0-0 soccer matches are “boring” yet 0-0 pitching duels are always considered great games.

In before “baseball sucks too”

Had this argument with my dad as I started watching more hockey and soccer. A 14-7 football game was awesome, but a 2-1 hockey game is boring because there is not enough scoring. it's still 3 scores in a game, dum dum.

Actually it’s six scores, assuming it’s all XP’s.

Look at it this way - the US would be far more remembered if they beat the UK and not tie 0-0. Would anyone care if the Miracle on Ice was played to a tie?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I can think of nothing that is worse than watching a 90 plus minute sporting event where neither team scores a point.

Such an odd take that I will never understand. A 0-0 game is a tie game that can more often than not be incredibly tense and exciting to watch. For every goal, there could be an equal amount of incredible saves or defensive plays. It’s the 3-0 games that I tend to lose interest in. A 0-0 soccer game is not the equivalent of the Jets playing the Texans on a Thursday night.

Also, the number of commercial timeouts in American sports is ridiculous now. A team scores, commercial timeout. Then they kickoff, another timeout. On and on. It’s terrible. Give me a 0-0 soccer game every time.

So much this, especially in soccer as the defense clamps down and pace slows. Some of the best games I've seen are 0-0 games.

Dead on about the commercials. I can't stand watching football anymore. 10sec play (if you are lucky), long wait, 10csec play, commercials break, come back- still in review, go to commercials. Yes I am being hyperbolic, but after it became more and more obvious how little action there is in a football game, it was less enjoyable to watch.

I was at a watch party for the US game yesterday. There were about 20 people there total. I watch Patriot games with this same group.

This sounds like hell on earth. Why?

 

[Steve Tasker]

Everyone gets a trophy?????



--Tottenham

Back in the day, Arsenal won a 4th place trophy every year. Been like 6 years now

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I love how 0-0 soccer matches are “boring” yet 0-0 pitching duels are always considered great games.

In before “baseball sucks too”

Had this argument with my dad as I started watching more hockey and soccer. A 14-7 football game was awesome, but a 2-1 hockey game is boring because there is not enough scoring. it's still 3 scores in a game, dum dum.

A 14-7 game likely consisted of several plays where 22 players had a hand in the scores. If somebody doesn’t do their assignment in a given play it doesn’t work. There could be 6 amazing plays away from the ball.

In soccer you stand around and watch people play pass until your opponent falls asleep.

 

[Steve Tasker]

This sounds like hell on earth. Why?

Right? Who in their right mind wants to watch Patriots games?

 

[Scoresman]

I love how 0-0 soccer matches are “boring” yet 0-0 pitching duels are always considered great games.

In before “baseball sucks too”

Had this argument with my dad as I started watching more hockey and soccer. A 14-7 football game was awesome, but a 2-1 hockey game is boring because there is not enough scoring. it's still 3 scores in a game, dum dum.

A 14-7 game likely consisted of several plays where 22 players had a hand in the scores. If somebody doesn’t do their assignment in a given play it doesn’t work. There could be 6 amazing plays away from the ball.

In soccer you stand around and watch people play pass until your opponent falls asleep.

Joe, do you really need more explanation?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Right? Who in their right mind wants to watch Patriots games?

you are not wrong. We spent 5 minutes lamenting how bad the Pats are this year (since they played the previous day) before the main event took over the next two hours and every one forgot about the NFL.

 

[Zigg]

One thing I think is getting lost in translation here is the idea that people who don’t react negatively to ties therefore must “like” ties in their sports. I don’t think anyone “likes” ties in and of themselves.

Maybe I put too much weight on folks in this thread.

I love ties. It’s the actual outcome. College football OT and hockey shootouts are the most absurd things in sport.

I love ties relative to ot. Overtime is a fake result(playoffs excluded). A tie or a win make no difference in my viewing pleasure.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Right? Who in their right mind wants to watch Patriots games?

you are not wrong. We spent 5 minutes lamenting how bad the Pats are this year (since they played the previous day) before the main event took over the next two hours and every one forgot about the NFL.

Last highjack question…

Don’t you find it annoying that most of them don’t actually know anything about the game?

One thing I think is getting lost in translation here is the idea that people who don’t react negatively to ties therefore must “like” ties in their sports. I don’t think anyone “likes” ties in and of themselves.

Maybe I put too much weight on folks in this thread.

I love ties. It’s the actual outcome. College football OT and hockey shootouts are the most absurd things in sport.

I love ties relative to ot. Overtime is a fake result(playoffs excluded). A tie or a win make no difference in my viewing pleasure.

Same. Obviously playoffs are different but I enjoy ties in football because it shows that a game was an even match and it throws a lonely wrench in the standings.

They are pretty rare and unique. If they happened all the time then obviously the sport is a complete joke and not even worth discussing.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Right? Who in their right mind wants to watch Patriots games?

you are not wrong. We spent 5 minutes lamenting how bad the Pats are this year (since they played the previous day) before the main event took over the next two hours and every one forgot about the NFL.

Last highjack question…

Don’t you find it annoying that most of them don’t actually know anything about the game?

All 4 of my nephews and my brother are big fans and know a lot about the sport. My nephew's girlfriends did not but that did not bother me. There were a couple of other randoms who did not know much and a couple of others who did.

pretty much the same ratio I see for any watching party of any sport.

 

[Frostillicus]

If it’s ever going to get anywhere close to the NFL in terms of casual fans watching, they have to do something about increasing scoring.

You left out "in the US" in the middle of your sentence.

3.5 BILLION people worldwide saw the 2018 World Cup final. It's estimated 5 BILLION will watch this year's final.

Yeah but think how many would watch it if they would just FIX it.

 

[Frostillicus]

Hear me out. Triple the size of the goals and two balls out at a time.

 

[NewlyRetired]

More people in America just watched a relatively meaningless group stage soccer game than any World Series game this year (or last year, or the year before, or the year before that...)

 

[Scoresman]

Hear me out. Triple the size of the goals and two balls out at a time.

Giant pinball flippers near the sidelines controlled by the fans would be great too.

 

[Zigg]

Hear me out. Triple the size of the goals and two balls out at a time.

Giant pinball flippers near the sidelines controlled by the fans would be great too.

Fans vote for who gets an extra goal awarded.

 

[Frostillicus]

More people in America just watched a relatively meaningless group stage soccer game than any World Series game this year (or last year, or the year before, or the year before that...)

Imagine how many will watch once they fix the "sport".

 

[NewlyRetired]

More people in America just watched a relatively meaningless group stage soccer game than any World Series game this year (or last year, or the year before, or the year before that...)

Imagine how many will watch once they fix the "sport".

https://www.sbseamstress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Dr-Evil-Billions.jpg

 

[FairWarning]

More people in America just watched a relatively meaningless group stage soccer game than any World Series game this year (or last year, or the year before, or the year before that...)

On a holiday weekend when most are off. How do you think their ratings did against the noon college football games yesterday?

 

[KarmaPolice]

If it’s ever going to get anywhere close to the NFL in terms of casual fans watching, they have to do something about increasing scoring.

You left out "in the US" in the middle of your sentence.

3.5 BILLION people worldwide saw the 2018 World Cup final. It's estimated 5 BILLION will watch this year's final.

Well, yeah - we are the only ones that matter.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Hear me out. Triple the size of the goals and two balls out at a time.

Uh, you talkin' soccer balls here chief?

 

[FairWarning]

If it’s ever going to get anywhere close to the NFL in terms of casual fans watching, they have to do something about increasing scoring.

You left out "in the US" in the middle of your sentence.

3.5 BILLION people worldwide saw the 2018 World Cup final. It's estimated 5 BILLION will watch this year's final.

Do you follow cricket? Billions watch it also,

 

[FairWarning]

Nice to see the soccer people receptive to new ideas. Now they know how other sports fans feel when the casual fans want to change rules to grow the game here.

Of course it’s all about chasing the almighty dollar from the sports perspective.

 

[Grahamburn]

What’s not to like about watching a couple of effeminate skinny men take turns kicking the ball back and forth to each other for 90 minutes?

At least they added a few substitutions to encurage the players to participate more.

I get it. You need a sport with more manly men like THIS?

Next you will have a fresh take about flopping (ignoring that damn near every play a WR whines about being held and every missed INT gets a reaction as though 100% are catchable and would have just decided the game).

The egregious flopping must make even the most adept soccer fans cringe. It’s ridiculous.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I love how 0-0 soccer matches are “boring” yet 0-0 pitching duels are always considered great games.

In before “baseball sucks too”

Had this argument with my dad as I started watching more hockey and soccer. A 14-7 football game was awesome, but a 2-1 hockey game is boring because there is not enough scoring. it's still 3 scores in a game, dum dum.

A 14-7 game likely consisted of several plays where 22 players had a hand in the scores. If somebody doesn’t do their assignment in a given play it doesn’t work. There could be 6 amazing plays away from the ball.

In soccer you stand around and watch people play pass until your opponent falls asleep.

Joe, do you really need more explanation?

"Explanation" for what? You didn't quote anything I asked here.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

What’s not to like about watching a couple of effeminate skinny men take turns kicking the ball back and forth to each other for 90 minutes?

At least they added a few substitutions to encurage the players to participate more.

I get it. You need a sport with more manly men like THIS?

Next you will have a fresh take about flopping (ignoring that damn near every play a WR whines about being held and every missed INT gets a reaction as though 100% are catchable and would have just decided the game).

The egregious flopping must make even the most adept soccer fans cringe. It’s ridiculous.

I know next to nothing about soccer. But I'm a huge college hoops fan, so I have to ask: you ever watched a Duke basketball game?

 

[Grahamburn]

What’s not to like about watching a couple of effeminate skinny men take turns kicking the ball back and forth to each other for 90 minutes?

At least they added a few substitutions to encurage the players to participate more.

I get it. You need a sport with more manly men like THIS?

Next you will have a fresh take about flopping (ignoring that damn near every play a WR whines about being held and every missed INT gets a reaction as though 100% are catchable and would have just decided the game).

The egregious flopping must make even the most adept soccer fans cringe. It’s ridiculous.

I know next to nothing about soccer. But I'm a huge college hoops fan, so I have to ask: you ever watched a Duke basketball game?

Not recently, no, but I do know it’s fairly rampant in hoops too.

However, I don’t know that they lie around on the ground writhing in pain like they just got capped by a sniper from the stands only to pop right back up if the ref doesn’t stop play.

 

[KarmaPolice]

What’s not to like about watching a couple of effeminate skinny men take turns kicking the ball back and forth to each other for 90 minutes?

At least they added a few substitutions to encurage the players to participate more.

I get it. You need a sport with more manly men like THIS?

Next you will have a fresh take about flopping (ignoring that damn near every play a WR whines about being held and every missed INT gets a reaction as though 100% are catchable and would have just decided the game).

The egregious flopping must make even the most adept soccer fans cringe. It’s ridiculous.

Of course, but my point was that behavior is not just limited to soccer. I've seen laughable **** watching kickers in NFL flop around, hockey falling down because of a "hook", things like that.

 

[Grahamburn]

I have been enjoying the talent and skill of the athletes being on full display though. There’s no questioning that.

 

[FairWarning]

What’s not to like about watching a couple of effeminate skinny men take turns kicking the ball back and forth to each other for 90 minutes?

At least they added a few substitutions to encurage the players to participate more.

I get it. You need a sport with more manly men like THIS?

Next you will have a fresh take about flopping (ignoring that damn near every play a WR whines about being held and every missed INT gets a reaction as though 100% are catchable and would have just decided the game).

The egregious flopping must make even the most adept soccer fans cringe. It’s ridiculous.

I know next to nothing about soccer. But I'm a huge college hoops fan, so I have to ask: you ever watched a Duke basketball game?

There should be less flopping now that Coach K is gone.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

There should be less flopping now that Coach K is gone.

Did you ever watch Scheyer play? He was the master flopper and now he's the coach.

 

[Scoresman]

I love how 0-0 soccer matches are “boring” yet 0-0 pitching duels are always considered great games.

In before “baseball sucks too”

Had this argument with my dad as I started watching more hockey and soccer. A 14-7 football game was awesome, but a 2-1 hockey game is boring because there is not enough scoring. it's still 3 scores in a game, dum dum.

A 14-7 game likely consisted of several plays where 22 players had a hand in the scores. If somebody doesn’t do their assignment in a given play it doesn’t work. There could be 6 amazing plays away from the ball.

In soccer you stand around and watch people play pass until your opponent falls asleep.

Joe, do you really need more explanation?

"Explanation" for what? You didn't quote anything I asked here.

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. You’ve been inquiring what is meant by something being objectively wrong and the post I quoted is a prime example. Remember, I clarified my statement to mean opinions that are based on incorrect facts.

In this case, you could take the first paragraph of that post verbatim but make it about soccer and it’d be 100% true.

That’s what’s frustrating. People say “I have a low opinion of soccer because of…” and then proceed to say things that aren’t true.

 

[FairWarning]

There should be less flopping now that Coach K is gone.

Did you ever watch Scheyer play? He was the master flopper and now he's the coach.

Will he get Coach K respect from the refs though?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I don't think many people think a tie is the same as the game never happening.

No more than a tie in an NFL game is as if the game never happened.

People might prefer a system that declares a winner. Some people might like a tie. That's up to them. And obviously as we've seen here, people for some reason like to mock the other side that doesn't think what they think.

But I don't think many people think the game never happened.

I hope I didn’t derail the thread when I brought up the whole motivated by a clear outcome/conclusion when I brought up how some could have resistance to a draw/tie. When I used the phrase that “some feel like the game pretty much never happened” when the result is a tie—my intention was to describe how they emotionally felt about the result of a tie. I do feel like a lot of people watch sports because they want to feel something emotionally. There are emotional highs and lows—and I do think that (as you admitted yourself) most people would prefer a definite or decided outcome (a winner and a loser) to sporting events. A tie-to many- is an emotionally neutral conclusion. Of course- if a game happened and ends in a tie—the people who watch it probably don’t act as if it never happened—but I do think that a fair amount of them would feel like they wasted their time and energy for something that had a relatively neutral result. Also—as you and others brought up—at some point when the games matter the most—-a lot of the leagues that accept ties as an acceptable result–stop doing so—even to the point where they change the nature of the game in order to label a clear winner or loser. As another poster mentioned—how many great sporting events that end in ties truly get remembered? I just wonder that if there is something unconsciously unsatisfying about ties to a lot of people that watch sports. You don’t have to answer—as this was just what I was thinking when I first posted about ties in this thread.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I’m the one who said it and I stand by it. I would clarify it to say that I’m talking about opinions that are formed by objectively wrong “facts”.

Thanks @Scoresman .

And thanks for your input @gianmarco. I thought his comment was really interesting so I commented about it. That's mostly what I do on the forums.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I hope I didn’t derail the thread when I brought up the whole motivated by a clear outcome/conclusion when I brought up how some could have resistance to a draw/tie. When I used the phrase that “some feel like the game pretty much never happened” when the result is a tie—my intention was to describe how they emotionally felt about the result of a tie. I do feel like a lot of people watch sports because they want to feel something emotionally. There are emotional highs and lows—and I do think that (as you admitted yourself) most people would prefer a definite or decided outcome (a winner and a loser) to sporting events. A tie-to many- is an emotionally neutral conclusion. Of course- if a game happened and ends in a tie—the people who watch it probably don’t act as if it never happened—but I do think that a fair amount of them would feel like they wasted their time and energy for something that had a relatively neutral result. Also—as you and others brought up—at some point when the games matter the most—-a lot of the leagues that accept ties as an acceptable result–stop doing so—even to the point where they change the nature of the game in order to label a clear winner or loser. As another poster mentioned—how many great sporting events that end in ties truly get remembered? I just wonder that if there is something unconsciously unsatisfying about ties to a lot of people that watch sports. You don’t have to answer—as this was just what I was thinking when I first posted about ties in this thread.

Thank you @jvdesigns2002 I don't think you derailed the thread at all. I think you made helpful comments as we discussed how people see ties. And I better understood how folks felt about them after the discussion. So that's a win.

 

[FairWarning]

Getting back to the 0-0 debate for a minute. I can respect a low-scoring well-played game. What I hate is teams benefitting from a 0-0 draw (like the US Friday). It’s playing not to lose and hoping to beat Iran because they know they can’t beat the UK. At least when Northwestern plays Ohio St, NW has to make a scoring play at some point.

 

[bigbottom]

Getting back to the 0-0 debate for a minute. I can respect a low-scoring well-played game. What I hate is teams benefitting from a 0-0 draw (like the US Friday). It’s playing not to lose and hoping to beat Iran because they know they can’t beat the UK. At least when Northwestern plays Ohio St, NW has to make a scoring play at some point.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Getting back to the 0-0 debate for a minute. I can respect a low-scoring well-played game. What I hate is teams benefitting from a 0-0 draw (like the US Friday). It’s playing not to lose and hoping to beat Iran because they know they can’t beat the UK. At least when Northwestern plays Ohio St, NW has to make a scoring play at some point.

But the way you’re describing how this 0-0 game was played is the complete opposite of the truth and proves you didn’t watch it.

In no way, shape or form did the US “play not to lose”. They had the better of the attacking chances, and generally stood toe to toe with England for the entire game. They didn’t bunker in at all. They were the better team than England.

And they only marginally benefited from a draw - there really wasn’t a huge difference between a draw and a loss. They had to beat Iran regardless.

 

[FairWarning]

Getting back to the 0-0 debate for a minute. I can respect a low-scoring well-played game. What I hate is teams benefitting from a 0-0 draw (like the US Friday). It’s playing not to lose and hoping to beat Iran because they know they can’t beat the UK. At least when Northwestern plays Ohio St, NW has to make a scoring play at some point.

But the way you’re describing how this 0-0 game was played is the complete opposite of the truth and proves you didn’t watch it.

In no way, shape or form did the US “play not to lose”. They had the better of the attacking chances, and generally stood toe to toe with England for the entire game. They didn’t bunker in at all. They were the better team than England.

And they only marginally benefited from a draw - there really wasn’t a huge difference between a draw and a loss. They had to beat Iran regardless.

I never claim to watch any of this. When it’s late in the 2H, they just kept attacking to win?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Getting back to the 0-0 debate for a minute. I can respect a low-scoring well-played game. What I hate is teams benefitting from a 0-0 draw (like the US Friday). It’s playing not to lose and hoping to beat Iran because they know they can’t beat the UK. At least when Northwestern plays Ohio St, NW has to make a scoring play at some point.

This kinda touches my point. The premise of the OP‘s question is what is more miserable—a low scoring sporting event with no clear winner, or a long boxing match with the winner being decided by subjective opinions. I just wonder how much of the “miserable” part is in the event having a lack of celebratory/emotional moments, and how much of the “miserable” part is in the dynamic of there being no clear winner/loser after investing time to watch it. The number of celebratory moments in a 0-0 soccer match and a 1-0 soccer match might literally differ by one. However, it seems to me that this result is somehow a lot less miserable because of there being a clear winner/loser.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Getting back to the 0-0 debate for a minute. I can respect a low-scoring well-played game. What I hate is teams benefitting from a 0-0 draw (like the US Friday). It’s playing not to lose and hoping to beat Iran because they know they can’t beat the UK. At least when Northwestern plays Ohio St, NW has to make a scoring play at some point.

But the way you’re describing how this 0-0 game was played is the complete opposite of the truth and proves you didn’t watch it.

In no way, shape or form did the US “play not to lose”. They had the better of the attacking chances, and generally stood toe to toe with England for the entire game. They didn’t bunker in at all. They were the better team than England.

And they only marginally benefited from a draw - there really wasn’t a huge difference between a draw and a loss. They had to beat Iran regardless.

I never claim to watch any of this.

Then maybe just stick to your Saturday afternoon slave labor cartel and stay out of it.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Do you follow cricket? Billions watch it also,

No, but I also don't explain why I think it sucks, how it could be changed to be better, or cite US viewership numbers for NCAA football as proof it needs to improve either.

 

[FairWarning]

Getting back to the 0-0 debate for a minute. I can respect a low-scoring well-played game. What I hate is teams benefitting from a 0-0 draw (like the US Friday). It’s playing not to lose and hoping to beat Iran because they know they can’t beat the UK. At least when Northwestern plays Ohio St, NW has to make a scoring play at some point.

This kinda touches my point. The premise of the OP‘s question is what is more miserable—a low scoring sporting event with no clear winner, or long boxing match with the winner being decided by subjective opinions. I just wonder how much of the “miserable” part is in the event having a lack of celebratory/emotional moments, and how much of the “miserable” part is in the dynamic of there being no clear winner/loser after investing time to watch it. The number of celebratory moments in a 0-0 soccer match and a 1-0 soccer match might literally differ by one. However, it seems to me that this result is somehow a lot less miserable because of there being a clear winner/loser.

Individual sports based on judging is tough. Not a big fan of them as there is a human element to judging and can be prone to error or manipulation.

 

[BassNBrew]

Big soccer fan here but I cringe at the soccer fans on their high horse getting offended when people suggest tweaks to the game. You sound like get off my lawn guy who rues the invention of the shot clock and wants to watch good ol fashioned 4 corners. There have been significant changes to the rules of soccer over the years including adding instant replay which was first largely used in the US by the NFL. I really love the billions of people around the world support it as is defense. Billions of people around the world also support the oppression of women. I enjoy hearing the various opinions. The football purists in the Shark Pool don't seem to get nearly offended when people suggest changes or point out why they don't watch as much football as they used to. That said, I can see getting fed up with the soccer is dumb comments.

 

[FairWarning]

Do you follow cricket? Billions watch it also,

No, but I also don't explain why I think it sucks, how it could be changed to be better, or cite US viewership numbers for NCAA football as proof it needs to improve either.

Look at it from the flipside - the masses are supposed to support it because it’s the world sport and it’s Team USA. I respect what they do, it’s not for me.

Ted - I support the Sunday slavery far more than the Saturday brand.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Actually it’s six scores, assuming it’s all XP’s.

Those XP attempts are the highlight of most Sundays!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Getting back to the 0-0 debate for a minute. I can respect a low-scoring well-played game. What I hate is teams benefitting from a 0-0 draw (like the US Friday). It’s playing not to lose and hoping to beat Iran because they know they can’t beat the UK. At least when Northwestern plays Ohio St, NW has to make a scoring play at some point.

Did you actually watch the game? The US did not play to tie. They pressed the attack for most of the game but weren’t able to score. They weren’t happy with a tie, as a win would have virtually locked up them advancing.
I guess that’s why some people are getting frustrated, because of inaccurate characterizations stated as “fact” to “prove” why soccer isn’t fun to watch. I’m not really sure why either side cares so much what the other side thinks. Enjoy it or don’t.