what happened to the shark pool? (1 Viewer)

[DoubleG]

i dont even mind the arguments. but half the posts in every thread are ####### AC posts. NOBODY GIVES A #### ABOUT YOUR ####IN TEAM! wtf happened to the moderators?

Have any of the mods even participated in this thread? It feels like the SP is just being left to rot like an unkept swimming pool.

Noyes.Ironcially the 2 main issues in the SP are points #1 and #2 in Joe's stickied thread. Sadly (frustratingly) neither is enforced. The WDIS threads only seem to get locked on Sundays - and the personal attack thing is a joke. Certain posters have openly called others "jagoffs" and other names, one has started a WDIS, then called anyone who suggested moving it crybabies and forum police - and both still are posting (even in this thread) - despite point #2 clearly stating that those who do so "will not be posting here any more". Apparently name calling is not considered a personal attack anymore.An unenforced rule is not, in reality, a rule.

 

[shadyridr]

perhaps ill report EVERY AC style post. see how they like that

 

[Limp Ditka]

I think you just made list

Okay?I "just made list"....sweet.Trust me, after reading through these threads? I am happy Im not a part of this...so whether I "just made list" or not...you posters have completely shot down any credibility this forum had.Now. I am sure there are some superb members that offer great insight....Jene is one that stands out to me...in my short time here though all I have seen is adolescent pubic hair measuring going on.Hell...I came here thinking I was joining better forum than my previous one. Maybe this was once a great information sharing forum, maybe there wasn't Internet tough guys around every corner, maybe a "shark" didn't blatenly call himself a shark just because his post count was higher than the other guys...Look at my post count...I must be a noob right? LmaoYou sir..."just made list"

It's a shame you aren't planning on sticking around. We're in desperate need of more people posting 150 word diatribes about a grammatical error

 

[Hoss Style]

ISUDESTROYERS is shooting up the ranks rather quickly

Actually I thought the people with the snarky replies were worse. The OP didn't ruin the thread, the replies did.

Exactly....and that is why I think were are going to start a list of the people like WISCSTLATLMIA ....they just don't get it. They can't contribute to a healthy and growing forum. When you got guys like him....constantly posting trash....you eventually create and allow a very unhealthy culture.We have already recommended 1 week ban for the first offense, 3 month ban for the second offense and a lifetime ban for the 3rd. Taking the trash out will be difficult and time consuming....but we will get them out....ONE TRASH BAG AT A TIME

This has to be shtick. But then maybe not. Maybe it's medication missed. Then I saw another poster (Ray something?) jump in to respond to the shtick - with shtick. I think. I feel like I'm watching a ring full of kids off their adderall holding bats and wearing helmets. Every once in a while an adult will step in to give them a few comments to rile them up again - and then steps back out to watch the mayhem resume.But I find myself coming back to read this anyway. I don't know if this thread has devolved or evolved - but something sure as #### happened.

 

[kegger]

The main thing wrong with the Tank is people "trying" to police it.

Doubling up someones YOU feel is unworthy just makes 2 of them.

And what YOU feel may be unimportant may be important to someone else.

Instead of putting your effort into "policing", why not try an add to what YOU

feel is solid content in threads you feel deserve it instead, now that is helping.

All the rest is just making a bigger clustered MESS! Just forget it and move on.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

the mods are just busy counting their fanduel money

 

[Trenchcoat]

I've been lurking these forums for a couple years now and I want to say there is a lot of good information on these boards. There is noise to sift through, but any non-private internet forum has that.

It's well worth searching the pool for various detailed analyses on players and teams backed up with figures. In the offseason, there aren't many better resources for rookie drafts.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

 

[ISUDESTROYERS]

One of the reasons why I think the moderators don't police the boards is purely business and here is the main reason why:

The more we get pissed off at injustice (or some troll's goofy nonsense that doesn't provide good content on the discussion) the more emotion and frustration we feel which further inflames our desire to defend our position by writing a counter response.

As a marketing consultant, this by itself creates more "board stickiness" and [in a weird way] more loyalty to the board because of the emotional investment we have invested in the board itself. The more our identities and reputations are tied up in this board....the more we contribute and the more traffic the board gets. Hence, making the resale value of this forum a lot higher. If you let sink in a little [and actually think about it from a business point of view] the moderator's behavior becomes increasingly much more clear. All they have to do is give people a slap on the wrist by banning them for a couple of days to give an illusion of policing the board --albeit at a monotone level.

P.S. Its nothing personal to us ...its just pure business on their part ....making them the PERFECT SHARK

 

[cobalt_27]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

Sarnoff has really been the obvious agitant, in this regard.

 

[Limp Ditka]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

 

[KCitons]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

Ironically, I deleted my point 3 from the above post, because I didn't have time to complete it. It read something like this:

3. I took a look at the SEA/GB threads to see what people were seeing that I wasn't. As a GB fan, I was looking to find if there was a legitimate opposing viewpoint. What I found was very little constructive talk that was based in facts. Instead most of it was some people with bad information (some on both sides mind you), bickering and belittling each other. There were also a number of people that seemed to really enjoy being a tool.

Now, if you could point me to some sort of respected journalist with that differing viewpoint, I'd be happy to read it.

 

[KCitons]

OK here is a differing view. The officials made the ruling last night. The NFL made the decision to let it stand. Like I said, it may not be the same view as you, but it's not the end of the world.

It's still a game. The sun will still shine, life will go on.

I heard a Packer fan on the Rome show today. Said he took the day off work because he was so upset. He used that time to call all the radio talk shows to make sure Packer fans don't show up for the Kickoff this Sunday?????

Hopefully, this guy doesn't have an important job. Like, helping kids or the sick. Or maybe finding a cure for cancer.

I remember when sports was a simple distraction from our day to day life. Now, it is our day to day life.

 

[Soulfly3]

I heard a Packer fan on the Rome show today. Said he took the day off work because he was so upset.

I bet WoW really missed him today.

 

[cobalt_27]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both can't be simultaneously winners. This isn't a neighborhood soccer match amongst 1st graders. People lose here, and it's your job, like everyone else's to present cogent, irrefutable arguments in support of your position. The whole two sides business is so cliche.

 

[MilwaukeeTed]

One of the reasons why I think the moderators don't police the boards is purely business and here is the main reason why:

The more we get pissed off at injustice (or some troll's goofy nonsense that doesn't provide good content on the discussion) the more emotion and frustration we feel which further inflames our desire to defend our position by writing a counter response.

As a marketing consultant, this by itself creates more "board stickiness" and [in a weird way] more loyalty to the board because of the emotional investment we have invested in the board itself. The more our identities and reputations are tied up in this board....the more we contribute and the more traffic the board gets. Hence, making the resale value of this forum a lot higher. If you let sink in a little [and actually think about it from a business point of view] the moderator's behavior becomes increasingly much more clear. All they have to do is give people a slap on the wrist by banning them for a couple of days to give an illusion of policing the board --albeit at a monotone level.

P.S. Its nothing personal to us ...its just pure business on their part ....making them the PERFECT SHARK

100% . This is an intelligent addition to the discussion, and what I like about this forum. This year especially, comments like this are getting harder to find as they're buried under a pile of bickering and general #####-baggery. I don't have a huge post count, because I don't like to "talk out of my hat". I'm a packers fan and that's my area of expertise, so I keep quite on teams/issues where I'm not qualified. Today I posted a link to the podcast where Aaron Rodgers made his apology to fans because no one else had posted it, and the thread clearly needed a little more context. I checked back on the thread and there was just another two pages of mostly bickering. Honestly, I don't think some of these posters saw anymore of the game than the clip on Sports Center. I come here to find informed opinions by people who are true football fanatics. Those voices are still around, but they seem to be a lot harder to find amidst all the non-informed opinion mongering.

The good voices are being drowned out; those looking for better content are frustrated, and are therefore less likely to contribute positively to the forum in future. More speech is not necessarily better speech. I think that moderators should be empowered to place temporary suspensions on problem posters to allow the helpful voices to be heard.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I think there is one other problem (with two distinct variations) - aliai.Generally, it seems as though there are some posters who think it's funny or clever or new to create an alias and then two one of two things:1) Simply use that alias to pump their own threads, ideas, etc. Always dropping in to defend their altar ego's point of view, etc. These also seem to get used whenever someone wants to start a thinly veiled "WDIS" thread in the SP2) Or the other "flavor" (which sadly, seems to have grown in popularity) - create an alias to see how far you can take it, how many people you can "catch" in a fishing trip and how many people you can annoy before being given a timeout or being banned. I would really appreciate it if mods would IP ban these people.One other minor problem is the incosistency of WDIS moderation. Either they should be allowed in the SP or they shouldn't. Whenever anyone reminds the OP about the rules, they are either praised for upholding the forum guidelines - or and more often scolded and put down for being "self appointed forum police". Which is it? WDIS threads are reported...and then seem to stay in the SP for several days. This should be addressed.

 

[KCitons]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both can't be simultaneously winners. This isn't a neighborhood soccer match amongst 1st graders. People lose here, and it's your job, like everyone else's to present cogent, irrefutable arguments in support of your position. The whole two sides business is so cliche.

No, both sides can't be the winner. In this case the one winner is the Seahawks. The scoreboard proves it. Everyone is unhappy with how it was decided, but there are a lot of games where fans can make this argument.I didn't want to turn this into a discussion about Monday Nights game. I was trying to point out that people are getting waaay to excited about sports these days and it is part of the problem with this forum. People can't see it as a game. And fantasy football is just a byproduct of that game.

If your NFL team or fantasy team loses, it shouldn't be taking food out of your children's mouth's. If it is, then you must be playing high stakes ffl, or are a professional gambler and you know the risks going in. The same way a race car driver understands the risks when you drive a car over 200 mph. If that's the profession you choose, understand the risks.

 

[roadkill1292]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both can't be simultaneously winners. This isn't a neighborhood soccer match amongst 1st graders. People lose here, and it's your job, like everyone else's to present cogent, irrefutable arguments in support of your position. The whole two sides business is so cliche.

Much of what's discussed here can not be quantified. Most arguments are not irrefutable.

 

[KCitons]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both can't be simultaneously winners. This isn't a neighborhood soccer match amongst 1st graders. People lose here, and it's your job, like everyone else's to present cogent, irrefutable arguments in support of your position. The whole two sides business is so cliche.

Much of what's discussed here can not be quantified. Most arguments are not irrefutable.

That's why a little respect for other people's opinions can go a long way. Both in this forum and in life. Most people that post here, believe there is only one answer. Theirs. I know it sucks for the Packers to lose the way they did. But, get over it and move on. No one will lose their job over that game. (except the replacement refs, and they were only temporary anyway) But, the sad fact is that by boycotting a game this weekend, it will certainly effect some peoples jobs. Like the concession workers that may not make as much in tips, because fans want to sit in the parking lot to make a statement.

I wonder how many of these angry fans will actually vote in the upcoming elections? If a fan can take a day off to prepare for a protest this weekend, then he must be taking an entire week off to get ready for the November elections. God forbid, we put the same energy into something that can help everyone.

 

[roadkill1292]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both can't be simultaneously winners. This isn't a neighborhood soccer match amongst 1st graders. People lose here, and it's your job, like everyone else's to present cogent, irrefutable arguments in support of your position. The whole two sides business is so cliche.

Much of what's discussed here can not be quantified. Most arguments are not irrefutable.

That's why a little respect for other people's opinions can go a long way. Both in this forum and in life. Most people that post here, believe there is only one answer. Theirs. I know it sucks for the Packers to lose the way they did. But, get over it and move on. No one will lose their job over that game. (except the replacement refs, and they were only temporary anyway) But, the sad fact is that by boycotting a game this weekend, it will certainly effect some peoples jobs. Like the concession workers that may not make as much in tips, because fans want to sit in the parking lot to make a statement.

I wonder how many of these angry fans will actually vote in the upcoming elections? If a fan can take a day off to prepare for a protest this weekend, then he must be taking an entire week off to get ready for the November elections. God forbid, we put the same energy into something that can help everyone.

I was taking a bigger picture approach to the whole "winning the argument" debate. A lot of discussions in here have the potential to be lots of fun and sometimes a poster intent on winning an argument can suck the life right out of them.

 

[KCitons]

I see your point. Often times, there is no winner.

 

[Funkley]

I stopped reading at "The Packers are special....."

Vomit

 

[Cookiemonster]

And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both can't be simultaneously winners. This isn't a neighborhood soccer match amongst 1st graders. People lose here, and it's your job, like everyone else's to present cogent, irrefutable arguments in support of your position. The whole two sides business is so cliche.

So, black and white, right and wrong, winner and loser? Irrefutable arguments to prove we can predict the future? I think this may be my biggest issue with the Shark Pool any more. Turning discussion into argument and men into feces-throwing gorillas.

 

[Hoss Style]

A lot of discussions in here have the potential to be lots of fun and sometimes a poster intent on winning an argument can suck the life right out of them.

Man, this is so true. Hard to find good discussion - not just here - but on any public forum. Just take the good with the bad. I've found a group of posters that I really enjoy in my short time here.

 

[cobalt_27]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both can't be simultaneously winners. This isn't a neighborhood soccer match amongst 1st graders. People lose here, and it's your job, like everyone else's to present cogent, irrefutable arguments in support of your position. The whole two sides business is so cliche.

Much of what's discussed here can not be quantified. Most arguments are not irrefutable.

Perhaps. And, maybe the scope of this discussion is more philosophical and appropriate for the FFA. That said, while you and I may disagree about the absolutism/relativism issue in general, I'd argue that most of what is discussed is quantifiable/answerable. For example, the question of whether Brandon Tate had and maintained simultaneous possession of the football is an absolute, black/white question. He either did or he did not. Now, from an epistemological perspective, we may not have all of the available data required to answer the question, absolutely, but it seems perfectly reasonable to formulate opinions based on data that are known. And, in the end, some people are right, and the others are wrong. The two divergent opinions cannot both be right at the same time.

More generally, I just find it somewhat curious why anyone would come into a message board complaining about people arguing. I mean, that's like going to Texas and complaining about how much red meat is on the menu. If you don't like it, grab some hummus and spend your time in Portland. If arguing points isn't your thing, I don't think FBG is the best place to spend your time.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I generally agree with bostonfred's OP and a lot of the sentiment in here.

Obviously there are differing opinions on this topic. Central to the matter is a pretty simple question: "What is the Shark Pool supposed to be?" This leads to a more important question, which is: "Who gets to decide?" Is it Joe and the mods? Is it determined by majority vote? Are the votes weighted by tenure or post count? Is there room in the Pool for differing visions of what it should be to exist simultaneously? Is it something organic that changes over time?

One of the probably unintended consequences of this thread is I've seen an uptick in Shark Poolers getting all bent out of shape about any post that isn't directly and entirely related to football. If all we did here was report hard football facts, with no disagreement, no humor, no speculation, it would be boring as hell and the forum would die a slow painful death. The reason this place is sticky is because it is fun, because there are disagreements (which sometimes get heated), etc. As long as we're not sinking to the level of personally attacking people, it's ok for people to vehemently defend their differing beliefs. It's ok to add a little levity, too.

There was a thread last week questioning the usefulness of the weekly rankings. It was a reasonable question. OP took some flak for it and there was some arguably non-excellence in there, though nothing over the line IIRC. To his credit, OP never got all upset about it, but pretty calmly responded with his position. Near the end, after being prodded to "show your own rankings," OP provided a video of his 4 year old daughter picking names out of a hat. It was a cute and funny post, and as it turns out his daughter's rankings for last week were surprisingly accurate.

As a follow-up, he did the same thing again for Week 4. Pretty quickly he got hit by the "THIS IS WHATS ROOINING THE SHARK POOL" police and the thread was deleted. C'mon, man. While many would argue there's no value to his daughter's rankings, I could easily disagree. I think it highlights an important point that even the best in the industry (e.g. Dodds) are still only right slightly more than half the time. So he's providing useful information (how accurate are the official rankings, generally) and doing it in a cute and fun way (by having his young daughter pick the names from a hat). Do we want the Shark Pool flooded with threads like that? Maybe not. But we probably don't want to completely eradicate them from the Shark Pool, either. At least I don't.

Which gets back to the main point: Who gets to decide? I don't know the answer to that question. I do know, however, that if we left it up to some of you, this place would quickly become a wasteland. FBGs have been running a strong forum for more than a decade, maybe they know what they're doing. Maybe guys that just showed up a month ago should try to fit in a little before campaigning to "take out the trash" and whatnot. Don't take this the wrong way, but if you think this place sucks, you're welcome to leave. There are plenty of other forums on the internet, each with its own culture. Even with its flaws, I don't think you'll find many better than this one. If you disagree, then instead of trying to radically change this one, maybe just take your talents to one of the others that you like more.

 

[12punch]

Dodds doesn't like being shown up by an 8 yr old girl is what's what - never seen a thread shut down so quick

 

[roadkill1292]

This is a bit of a tangent from this thread, but its amazing how something like this Seattle/GB finish really brings out the worst of the Shark Pool. There's an awful lot of posters relishing in the Packers defeat. I'm not trying to bring that debate here at all. Just pointing out the general immaturity that is running rampant in the SP.

I think you're being a little thin skinned. The Packers aren't special. This would be happening to pretty much any team that ended up on the losing side of that.

1. The Packers are special. Only team in professional sports owned by the community. Go to Green Bay sometime for a game. There is a genuine reason why it's a revered place in all of sports.2. I think you've missed my point entirely. I think the toolishness would be happening if this happened to a lot of teams. It just gives the guys that like to behave like that their opportunity.

Sadly, I think it is you (and a majority of the people that post in any fantasy football forum), that has missed the point. Football is a game, fantasy football is a game about a game. One team wins, one team loses. It happens every game. There are "special" circumstances in every game that alter the outcome. Some are bigger than others.

But, to try and tell people they are wrong, just because their opinion is different from yours, if futile. Most threads in here spin out of control because of this.

It comes down to simple respect. Just remember every argument has two sides.

And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both can't be simultaneously winners. This isn't a neighborhood soccer match amongst 1st graders. People lose here, and it's your job, like everyone else's to present cogent, irrefutable arguments in support of your position. The whole two sides business is so cliche.

Much of what's discussed here can not be quantified. Most arguments are not irrefutable.

Perhaps. And, maybe the scope of this discussion is more philosophical and appropriate for the FFA. That said, while you and I may disagree about the absolutism/relativism issue in general, I'd argue that most of what is discussed is quantifiable/answerable. For example, the question of whether Brandon Tate had and maintained simultaneous possession of the football is an absolute, black/white question. He either did or he did not. Now, from an epistemological perspective, we may not have all of the available data required to answer the question, absolutely, but it seems perfectly reasonable to formulate opinions based on data that are known. And, in the end, some people are right, and the others are wrong. The two divergent opinions cannot both be right at the same time.

More generally, I just find it somewhat curious why anyone would come into a message board complaining about people arguing. I mean, that's like going to Texas and complaining about how much red meat is on the menu. If you don't like it, grab some hummus and spend your time in Portland. If arguing points isn't your thing, I don't think FBG is the best place to spend your time.

Not every conversation is a competition. For me, a message board is a place to have conversations. I like hearing what someone else has to say and I hope they like hearing what I have to say, even if we're not in agreement. But when I'm civil in my disagreement, I expect civility in return.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Dodds doesn't like being shown up by an 8 yr old girl is what's what - never seen a thread shut down so quick

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[chinawildman]

5) Guppies that should be lurkers are posters (see #4)

Ask not what the shark pool can do for you, ask what you can do for the shark pool.

You probably should have thought this through a little more.

No, that's pretty much exactly what I intended. Guppy posts = "help me decide"/"what's everyone else doing?" type posts. Do you feel they add anything to the SP? Those contribute to much of the detritus around here. We need quality, not quantity.

 

[Soulfly3]

Dodds doesn't like being shown up by an 8 yr old girl is what's what - never seen a thread shut down so quick

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Perhaps you both missed the thread a member here opened questioning why that thread was shut down.Before I could reply, within a minute, the thread was closed.FBGs are NOT impressed with this little girl. In fact, I heard she has a lifetime ban from the forums.

 

[CapnJB]

Dodds doesn't like being shown up by an 8 yr old girl is what's what - never seen a thread shut down so quick

For the record, she's four.

 

[DoubleG]

Dodds doesn't like being shown up by an 8 yr old girl is what's what - never seen a thread shut down so quick

For the record, she's four.

4 instead of 8? That's TWICE as bad!!!

 

[Wrigley]

Dodds doesn't like being shown up by an 8 yr old girl is what's what - never seen a thread shut down so quick

For the record, she's four.

4 instead of 8? That's TWICE as bad!!!

Twice as good

 

[CrazyFox]

If 4 year old girls make better choices than the so called "experts", I can see how that would be bad for business

 

[urbanhack]

The sigs are out of control. Take DoubleG and SmackDaddies for example. Their sigs take up 10x more space than their actual posts.

:reported:

 

[DoubleG]

The sigs are out of control. Take DoubleG and SmackDaddies for example. Their sigs take up 10x more space than their actual posts.:reported:

You paying for bandwidth? I can't help if some of the awesome people here say funny stuff I want to remember. When you read a post, just of think of me as John Hugh Jass Signing Hancock.

 

[Otis]

Fellas, can you tell me what Alfred Morris's value is, or in other words, basically tell me if I should make this trade that was offered to me?

I mean, I was just talking about his value generally. Aaron please leave the thread here!! Please!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE. Nobody EVER responds to my requests in the ACF! I POSTED IT FOUR TIMES. I TOLD THEM I WOULD RESPOND TO THEIRS. AND I GOT NOTHING.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT ALFRED MORRIS, IT'S A GENERIC THREAD ABOUT HIM. MoP! HELP!

 

[SWC]

i would help you out ot is but you do nt like gran torino so instead i tell you to get off of my damned lawn take that to the bank brohan and i am just yanking your chain there big buddy my advice would not help you so i hope that osmeone else will instead bromigo

 

[12punch]

If 4 year old girls make better choices than the so called "experts", I can see how that would be bad for business

yeah, but they work cheap so maybe it could be good for business

 

[Max Power]

lack of mods. Pretty simple

 

[CapnJB]

lack of mods. Pretty simple

Oh, they're there. Start a thread called Dodds vs Little Girl and you'll see their might.

I can't help if some of the awesome people here say funny stuff I want to remember.

Maybe you could put my daughters picks in your sig! Everyone wins! ETA - I can't believe I gave out this stuff for free!

 

[TxBuckeye]

Aren't aliases technically against the rules? I think they are, but really am not sure since even moderators have admitted to having them. If they would simply enforce that rule, I think about 73.47% of the problems would go away. I can handle the other 26.53% with the IGNORE function.

p.s. Any chance Ray Barboni could donate a portion of his unnecessary ellipses to SWC for use? Could kill two birds with one stone there.

 

[Run It Up]

Aren't aliases technically against the rules? I think they are, but really am not sure since even moderators have admitted to having them. If they would simply enforce that rule, I think about 73.47% of the problems would go away. I can handle the other 26.53% with the IGNORE function.p.s. Any chance Ray Barboni could donate a portion of his unnecessary ellipses to SWC for use? Could kill two birds with one stone there.

You could read the TSA yourself and tell us.Either way, it can't really be enforced.

 

[CapnJB]

Well, with the money I received from cancelling my FGBs subscription, http://www.doddsvslittlegirl.com/ will be live within two weeks. I won't charge anything, and I won't delete posts if your ferret is able to out pick my daughter. I think that entertainment is fun, so yay.

 

[HughHoney]

What happened with an 8 year old girl?

 

[Amused to Death]

Well, with the money I received from cancelling my FGBs subscription, http://www.doddsvslittlegirl.com/ will be live within two weeks. I won't charge anything, and I won't delete posts if your ferret is able to out pick my daughter. I think that entertainment is fun, so yay.

"Coming soon. And you can't stop it."