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What to expect from Vereen when he returns (1 Viewer)

this might have slipped through when asked earlier. since we are discussing last year and such, how many touches do you think Woodhead is taking from Vereen from here on out?
The fallacy in your argument
I don't think I made an argument in here, brohan. just posed the same question twice.
Typically, the purpose of asking a rhetorical question is to make a point. Doesn't take a genius to figure out what that point was here.It's just not a very good point, for the reason I explained.
actually, it was some low-level trolling on my part as I don't see the point in so ardently pointing to last year's model when so many things have changed since last year. do I think Vereen is going to take the exact role Woodhead left? not sure. Do I think the changes in personnel on the offence will increase his role this year to the point where he's a viable fantasy contributor? fo' sho'. which is why a bunch of us drafted him. I don't care to argue about it, though, because we can probably just watch it work itself out.

 
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Raider Nation said:
There's obviously no way of saying for sure, but I'd argue Charles, Chris Johnson, Reggie, McCoy, AP, Forte, Spiller, Murray, PT Cruiser, Sproles, Woodhead, Bernard, McFadden, Ellington, Martin, Donald Brown, Lamar Miller, Daryl Richardson, DWill, Tate, a healthy Foster/Rice/D. Wilson, and a bunch of less obvious guys like Helu, Starks, J. Bell, Quizz, Mathews, FJax, Stewart, Barner, Moreno, K. Davis, etc. would all have a good chance to make that play.
Moreno? Stewart? C'mon man. No chance either of them goes 83 untouched.

Anyway, even if I grant you those 16 bolded names, that's 16 out of, what.... 130 or so current NFL RBs?

I really don't think "not many RBs could make that play" was an unfair statement.
There's a very good chance that both of those guys, and every other non-bolded name, could make that play. If you're talking about every RB in the NFL, the list gets a lot longer than those names as well.

What makes you think they couldn't? There really wasn't anything special about that play at all.

 
Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation said:
There's obviously no way of saying for sure, but I'd argue Charles, Chris Johnson, Reggie, McCoy, AP, Forte, Spiller, Murray, PT Cruiser, Sproles, Woodhead, Bernard, McFadden, Ellington, Martin, Donald Brown, Lamar Miller, Daryl Richardson, DWill, Tate, a healthy Foster/Rice/D. Wilson, and a bunch of less obvious guys like Helu, Starks, J. Bell, Quizz, Mathews, FJax, Stewart, Barner, Moreno, K. Davis, etc. would all have a good chance to make that play.
Moreno? Stewart? C'mon man. No chance either of them goes 83 untouched.

Anyway, even if I grant you those 16 bolded names, that's 16 out of, what.... 130 or so current NFL RBs?

I really don't think "not many RBs could make that play" was an unfair statement.
There's a very good chance that both of those guys, and every other non-bolded name, could make that play. If you're talking about every RB in the NFL, the list gets a lot longer than those names as well.

What makes you think they couldn't? There really wasn't anything special about that play at all.
The release was excellent. The route was excellent. Impossible for everyone? Of course not. Then, again, is the matter of the catch. Vereen's hands are so good that he made that catch look like no big deal. But it seems to me so many RBs would be concentrating on just making the catch, any hesitation would be the difference in making it to the end zone or not.

The other problem I had with a few of the guys on your list (PT, Quizz, Woodhead) is that they have more quickness than long speed. I think it would be tough for them to take it the distance. Who knows. :shrug: I just hope we get to see a lot more of that from Vereen.... two of my teams could really use it.
Yeah, I'm just not seeing it like that at all. The release, route, and catch were all fine, but nothing out of the ordinary. Guaranteed for everyone? Of course not, but I think several dozen RBs would have a very good chance of doing the same thing under those circumstances. Catching while running nearly full speed isn't simple, but the pass was perfect and there was no one within 15 feet of him.

See, this is what I mean- Vereen doesn't possess great long speed himself. Woodhead, for instance, ran the 40 between 4.33 and 4.38 at the Nebraska pro day (I know, not the combine, but he wasn't invited). He also ran track and had a 10.5 sec 100m time. He's quite a bit faster than Vereen (can also dunk at under 5'8). Most of the guys on that list (and several others not on that list) are around the same speed or even faster than he is. Vereen is far from unique (in terms of NFL RBs) in that regard.

Your last sentence is what I was talking about- owners have a tendency to be be overly optimistic about things because they want them to be true. Some of them just aren't.

*(Again, still like him and I also hope we see a lot more of that from him).

 
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If there's no deadline for the activation of a player on IR then I don't think a lot of us will be playing him this week since the game is money
This is spot on. If there is no deadline to activate him and NE can wait until Monday afternoon to do it, you better have another option you can plug in on Monday night. Otherwise you can't wait and better go with a sure option on Sunday.

 
If there's no deadline for the activation of a player on IR then I don't think a lot of us will be playing him this week since the game is money
This is spot on. If there is no deadline to activate him and NE can wait until Monday afternoon to do it, you better have another option you can plug in on Monday night. Otherwise you can't wait and better go with a sure option on Sunday.
I think it's a relatively safe gamble. The general belief is that Bolden "replaced" Vereen on the active roster, and he's banged up again. There was even a quote in here about Bolden needing to be rested or something. With all the information we have available, it seems a near-certainty that Vereen is back this week.

 
If there's no deadline for the activation of a player on IR then I don't think a lot of us will be playing him this week since the game is money
This is spot on. If there is no deadline to activate him and NE can wait until Monday afternoon to do it, you better have another option you can plug in on Monday night. Otherwise you can't wait and better go with a sure option on Sunday.
I think it's a relatively safe gamble. The general belief is that Bolden "replaced" Vereen on the active roster, and he's banged up again. There was even a quote in here about Bolden needing to be rested or something. With all the information we have available, it seems a near-certainty that Vereen is back this week.
Two words. Bill. Belichick.

 
If there's no deadline for the activation of a player on IR then I don't think a lot of us will be playing him this week since the game is money
This is spot on. If there is no deadline to activate him and NE can wait until Monday afternoon to do it, you better have another option you can plug in on Monday night. Otherwise you can't wait and better go with a sure option on Sunday.
I think it's a relatively safe gamble. The general belief is that Bolden "replaced" Vereen on the active roster, and he's banged up again. There was even a quote in here about Bolden needing to be rested or something. With all the information we have available, it seems a near-certainty that Vereen is back this week.
Two words. Bill. Belichick.
Oh, no doubt. But he also surely realizes he's going to need the best weapons he's got against the CAR defense.

 
supposedly, pats were trying to get gronk back as early as week 2, but it was the player's agent who dragged that whole thing out.

as mentioned many times, it's a bone in vereen's wrist, and he's been practicing for a couple weeks --- I don't see any reason he won't be back immediately, but of course the issue would be usage and touches in his first game back

 
Raider Nation said:
Fair points, but would you agree that some players play faster than their 40 time, and others play slower?

Vereen makes everyone else look like they're running in mud. Jerry Rice is Exhibit A of that trait. His 40 time didn't blow anyone away, but he didn't often get chased down with pads on.
Sure, although I think it's often overstated. It seems like another thing people like to say when the numbers don't support their beliefs (you can't really quantify "game speed"). Also, I'm not convinced Vereen plays much faster than his 40 time and those other RBs play much slower- I think the vast majority of players would fall within a pretty tight window of difference between the two.

 
We also must remember that because it was a wrist and nothing lower body that hes been in game shape ever since week 1. Some could even say hes prolly in better shape seeing that hes been working out and not actually playing. Plus there's the whole thing about fresh legs, Bill will use all this to his advatage on Monday night.

 
I honestly feel like BB will really bring Vereen out as a secret weapon on Monday so I am more confident about this week than really any other future weeks. Maybe I am just an optimist as I am starting him in two leagues.

 
I'm not sure why I think that Vereen is going to do a good bit better than he's projected for. I think Carolina is gonna stuff the run pretty good and he's going to be a good receiver out of the backfield. I see a wood head type projection...hell Dodds has mcgahee projected over him (and believe me I respect the hell out of Dodds). I just don't get that. There is no chance in #### that if I had to start one of the 2 that I would ever start mcgahee over him. Go for upside and mcgahees only possible hope for a decent day is if he can gets a td.

 
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I think Carolina is gonna stuff the run pretty good and he's going to be a good receiver out of the backfield.
This has been brought up a few times, and it's perfectly logical. I think the main concern most of us have is not knowing whether the Pats are comfortable giving him a sizable workload in his first game back.

 
I know its a typo cuz you're on your phone but I'm gonna use it to coin the phrase "Vereening". Defined as getting all geeked up as a result of Shane Vereen's electric play. Example: "Around weeks 12-16, I hope to be Vereening."

 
I know its a typo cuz you're on your phone but I'm gonna use it to coin the phrase "Vereening". Defined as getting all geeked up as a result of Shane Vereen's electric play. Example: "Around weeks 12-16, I hope to be Vereening."
Haha.. I reread it and corrected. iPad autocorrect. Decent verb though...might start using it.

 
I think Carolina is gonna stuff the run pretty good and he's going to be a good receiver out of the backfield.
This has been brought up a few times, and it's perfectly logical. I think the main concern most of us have is not knowing whether the Pats are comfortable giving him a sizable workload in his first game back.
That's what I try to tell myself but then remember the workload they gave to gronk on his first game back
 
I know its a typo cuz you're on your phone but I'm gonna use it to coin the phrase "Vereening". Defined as getting all geeked up as a result of Shane Vereen's electric play. Example: "Around weeks 12-16, I hope to be Vereening."
Haha.. I reread it and corrected. iPad autocorrect. Decent verb though...might start using it.
I'm planning on Vereening about 7 Gronktinis on Monday night.

Who's coming with me?

 
I think Carolina is gonna stuff the run pretty good and he's going to be a good receiver out of the backfield.
This has been brought up a few times, and it's perfectly logical. I think the main concern most of us have is not knowing whether the Pats are comfortable giving him a sizable workload in his first game back.
That's what I try to tell myself but then remember the workload they gave to gronk on his first game back
One was coming back from back surgery and was practicing on a limited basis and the other had a broken bone in his hand. Big difference IMO.

 
I know its a typo cuz you're on your phone but I'm gonna use it to coin the phrase "Vereening". Defined as getting all geeked up as a result of Shane Vereen's electric play. Example: "Around weeks 12-16, I hope to be Vereening."
Haha.. I reread it and corrected. iPad autocorrect. Decent verb though...might start using it.
I'm planning on Vereening about 7 Gronktinis on Monday night.

Who's coming with me?
IN

 
I know its a typo cuz you're on your phone but I'm gonna use it to coin the phrase "Vereening". Defined as getting all geeked up as a result of Shane Vereen's electric play. Example: "Around weeks 12-16, I hope to be Vereening."
Haha.. I reread it and corrected. iPad autocorrect. Decent verb though...might start using it.
I'm planning on Vereening about 7 Gronktinis on Monday night.

Who's coming with me?
:hifive:

 
Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation said:
:excited:

Ridley has to be toast.
Yeah, but Ridley really has no impact on Vereen. Shane is getting his touches no matter what.

Now it's fat Blount time.
Disagree that he has no impact. Sure, Vereen's getting his touches no matter what, but he'll certainly get more if they bench their starting RB.
Disagree with your disagreement, but that's fine.

We already saw how it played out when Ridley got benched LAST week.
You mean when Ridley came back in after his fumble and had a TD?

 
Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation said:
:excited:

Ridley has to be toast.
Yeah, but Ridley really has no impact on Vereen. Shane is getting his touches no matter what.

Now it's fat Blount time.
Disagree that he has no impact. Sure, Vereen's getting his touches no matter what, but he'll certainly get more if they bench their starting RB.
Disagree with your disagreement, but that's fine.

We already saw how it played out when Ridley got benched LAST week.
You mean when Ridley came back in after his fumble and had a TD?
After sitting out for a quarter and a half? Yeah, that.
So you don't think there was any chance Vereen could've had that 1 yd. TD? :lmao:

 
Raider Nation said:
I'm being trolled, right? :oldunsure:

Evidently, hump's entire argument is based on the assumption that Vereen would never see the field if Ridley isn't benched.

:mellow:
Yes, that's obvious because I said "Sure, Vereen's getting his touches no matter what, but he'll certainly get more if they bench their starting RB".

Anytime you'd like, feel free to explain how Ridley getting benched in week one had "no impact on Vereen". :loco:

 
Raider Nation said:
I'm being trolled, right? :oldunsure:

Evidently, hump's entire argument is based on the assumption that Vereen would never see the field if Ridley isn't benched.

:mellow:
Yes, that's obvious because I said "Sure, Vereen's getting his touches no matter what, but he'll certainly get more if they bench their starting RB".Anytime you'd like, feel free to explain how Ridley getting benched in week one had "no impact on Vereen". :loco:
BB has obviously developed a trust with Blount that he didn't have week 1. He's already said that.

I hope Vereen would get more carries if Ridley is benched but he reality is New England needs/wants a power runner so they can use Vereen primarily as a possession receiver.

 
Raider Nation said:
I'm being trolled, right? :oldunsure:

Evidently, hump's entire argument is based on the assumption that Vereen would never see the field if Ridley isn't benched.

:mellow:
Yes, that's obvious because I said "Sure, Vereen's getting his touches no matter what, but he'll certainly get more if they bench their starting RB".Anytime you'd like, feel free to explain how Ridley getting benched in week one had "no impact on Vereen". :loco:
BB has obviously developed a trust with Blount that he didn't have week 1. He's already said that.

I hope Vereen would get more carries if Ridley is benched but he reality is New England needs/wants a power runner so they can use Vereen primarily as a possession receiver.
Where did I say Vereen was going to get all of Ridley's carries? He said that Ridley really has no impact on Vereen, which I disagree with. I think it has some impact.

 
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"Shane, even if we bench Stevan for the entire game, that will have no impact on you- you won't touch the ball one more time. Yes, the gameplan in week 1 was for you to get 3 touches in the first quarter and a half, then give you 18 touches in the last 2 1/2 quarters. That had absolutely nothing to do with benching our starter".

 
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Yeah noticed that. If they would've had the same formation and personnel that Bolden got I think he would've been able to punch it in.

 
Surely there aren't any Vereen doubters left are there?

He's gonna get 8-10 carries in the running game, regardless of who is fumbling and who is not.

He's gonna get 6-10 receptions in the passing game.

He's basically a receiver that gets 8-10 carries a game. Enjoy.

 
He's going to have a game where he has 2 TDs, it's going to happen.

He's in the gameplan in the RZ.
True, but I'm not sure if you'll be able to predict when it happens.

But he is a great flex play. Even in non-PPR, you can expect 8-10 points, and if/when he gets that 2 TD day, you're looking at 20+ points.

 
If he can just pull in one of those wheel routes that he runs each game he's going to take a long one to the house. Two weeks in a row they had a good matchup, ran it perfectly and Brady threw the ball perfectly only to have it bounce off his hands each time. Both of those were huge gainers.

He'll be unpredictable in the red zone but he'll get his underneath looks. He's been great and hoping for a few more carries. I could definitely see them keeping him on the field more each week as Ridley continues to struggle holding onto the ball.

 
If he can just pull in one of those wheel routes that he runs each game he's going to take a long one to the house. Two weeks in a row they had a good matchup, ran it perfectly and Brady threw the ball perfectly only to have it bounce off his hands each time. Both of those were huge gainers.

He'll be unpredictable in the red zone but he'll get his underneath looks. He's been great and hoping for a few more carries. I could definitely see them keeping him on the field more each week as Ridley continues to struggle holding onto the ball.
I think the soft cast on his wrist in playing a role in those drops

 
If he can just pull in one of those wheel routes that he runs each game he's going to take a long one to the house. Two weeks in a row they had a good matchup, ran it perfectly and Brady threw the ball perfectly only to have it bounce off his hands each time. Both of those were huge gainers.

He'll be unpredictable in the red zone but he'll get his underneath looks. He's been great and hoping for a few more carries. I could definitely see them keeping him on the field more each week as Ridley continues to struggle holding onto the ball.
I think the soft cast on his wrist in playing a role in those drops
That's what Collinsworth was saying last night. Does anybody know when he won't have to play with it? Or is it a rest of season deal?

 
It is tough not to plug him in, it seems like he is a lock for at least 12 - 15 points in ppr every week, with a good possibility of totally blowing up in one of the games coming up. Kudos to all who hung on or picked him up a few weeks ago.

 
If he can just pull in one of those wheel routes that he runs each game he's going to take a long one to the house. Two weeks in a row they had a good matchup, ran it perfectly and Brady threw the ball perfectly only to have it bounce off his hands each time. Both of those were huge gainers.

He'll be unpredictable in the red zone but he'll get his underneath looks. He's been great and hoping for a few more carries. I could definitely see them keeping him on the field more each week as Ridley continues to struggle holding onto the ball.
I think the soft cast on his wrist in playing a role in those drops
That's what Collinsworth was saying last night. Does anybody know when he won't have to play with it? Or is it a rest of season deal?
That's a really good question. I haven't heard anything either way about it. I don't know if he's wearing it as a precaution or if he has to wear it. Hopefully he removes it if he doesn't need to keep wearing it.

 
I know its a typo cuz you're on your phone but I'm gonna use it to coin the phrase "Vereening". Defined as getting all geeked up as a result of Shane Vereen's electric play. Example: "Around weeks 12-16, I hope to be Vereening."
I'm a prophet.

 

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