What would Aaron Kampman fetch on the trade market (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Just wondering what the average FBG thinks Kampan would fetch in a trade. I think he'd be worth a first rounder at least. He's been as effective as anyone playing on a mediocre defense in Green Bay. Just speculating, but with the Packers switching to the 3-4, they may put him on the block. The move wouldn't be overly cumbersome to their cap and pass rushers are hard to come by. A guy like Olshansky is a better fit as an end in the 3-4 than the perennial Pro Bowler Kampman.

Thoughts?

 

[-OZ-]

Maybe some Peppers?

 

[MAC_32]

Maybe some Peppers?

He was the first player I thought of, but there's a reasonable chance they won't have to give anything up to sign him.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wow, only a second rounder people think?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

This being a fantasy football site, I don't think many people around here know Aaron Kampman that well.

How many outside of Packer fans know he's been voted to probowls in 2006, 2007 and is an alternate for 2008? Or that he lead the league in combined sacks for 2006 and 2007? Or that he was voted 2nd team all-pro DE in both 2006 and 2007.

What happened in 2008 you ask? The Packers lost every one else that had a chance to rush the passer. Teams didn't need to worry about anyone else getting to their QB, and Kampman still registered 9.5 sacks.

Kampman plays the run as well as he does the pass too. He's a high character individual with a motor that does not quit. He's durable, missing exactly one start in the last 5 seasons.

The best frame of reference that we have for trading a DE of this caliber is Jared Allen who fetched a 1st and two 3rds. Allen was three years younger than Kampman at the time (29 vs 26), however Allen was due to receive a shiny new contract. (6 years 73 million is what the Vikings forked out). Allen was also, and remains, one strike away from a mandatory year long league suspension.

Kampman is under contract for 2009 at 3.9 million. He'll be a free agent in 2010.

I do agree that Kampman is a 4-3 DE and doesn't really have a position in the 3-4. His pass rushing talents would be wasted lining up at DE in the 3-4, and he's not such a great athlete that he can play OLB either. (Yet to be proven that even Peppers can really.)

I do think the Packers would be foolish not to explore trade options. As you can see my guess is that he's worth a 1st rounder plus.

 

[Phurfur]

Just wondering what the average FBG thinks Kampan would fetch in a trade. I think he'd be worth a first rounder at least. He's been as effective as anyone playing on a mediocre defense in Green Bay. Just speculating, but with the Packers switching to the 3-4, they may put him on the block. The move wouldn't be overly cumbersome to their cap and pass rushers are hard to come by. A guy like Olshansky is a better fit as an end in the 3-4 than the perennial Pro Bowler Kampman.

Thoughts?

Is there a link to where the Packers have committed to the 3-4? I haven't heard that.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Just wondering what the average FBG thinks Kampan would fetch in a trade. I think he'd be worth a first rounder at least. He's been as effective as anyone playing on a mediocre defense in Green Bay. Just speculating, but with the Packers switching to the 3-4, they may put him on the block. The move wouldn't be overly cumbersome to their cap and pass rushers are hard to come by. A guy like Olshansky is a better fit as an end in the 3-4 than the perennial Pro Bowler Kampman.

Thoughts?

Is there a link to where the Packers have committed to the 3-4? I haven't heard that.

No link but I watched part of McCarthy's presser after hiring Capers. He said the base will be a 3-4. They will most likely still use some 4-3, but matchups etc will dictate that.

 

[griz145389]

As much as I love Kampman playing for the Packers, if anyone offered a first for him, I would hope the Packers take it. He is a great 4-3 end. I don't see him being great at any position in a 3-4. His biggest plus is his motor, the guys just doesn't quit. However to play linebacker, he would need more athleticism, and to be an end, he would need to put on at least 20 lbs. I believe Vonnie Holliday is currently the lightes end for any 3-4 team, and he is at 285. Kampmann is 265. The average weight on an end is somewhere around 300 foran end in the 3-4 scheme.

 

[Buckna]

I think any 4-3 team would give a 2nd rounder for him. Some may be willing to spend a late 1st. He's an outstanding DE for a 4-3 scheme but he's going to be 30 this year. Plus he is in the last year of his contract IIRC which further drags down his trade value since you will have to pay him top dollar.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think talent wise, he's near Jared Allen's ability, but like Buckna said he's four years older.

I don't think a late first is unreasonable. A 2nd rounder would be a steal. Buffalo is the first team that comes to mind.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

My take. We're all seriously undersestimating Aaron Kampan. You can talk about athletic ability all you want, but I have a hard time belieiving a guy like Kampan couldn't play LB in the 3-4 if he put his mind to it. Kampan is about as self made a player as you'll find. But the bottom line is, he's a much better athlete than he's given credit for.

If he buys into this scheme, I could see him being effective as a LB. Other plays have done it.

 

[sho nuff]

My take. We're all seriously undersestimating Aaron Kampan. You can talk about athletic ability all you want, but I have a hard time belieiving a guy like Kampan couldn't play LB in the 3-4 if he put his mind to it. Kampan is about as self made a player as you'll find. But the bottom line is, he's a much better athlete than he's given credit for.If he buys into this scheme, I could see him being effective as a LB. Other plays have done it.

I agree...the guy has a motor...one of those guys that may not be the most talented players out there...but just works his tail off and does not quit until he succeeds.

 

[Phurfur]

Just wondering what the average FBG thinks Kampan would fetch in a trade. I think he'd be worth a first rounder at least. He's been as effective as anyone playing on a mediocre defense in Green Bay. Just speculating, but with the Packers switching to the 3-4, they may put him on the block. The move wouldn't be overly cumbersome to their cap and pass rushers are hard to come by. A guy like Olshansky is a better fit as an end in the 3-4 than the perennial Pro Bowler Kampman.

Thoughts?

Is there a link to where the Packers have committed to the 3-4? I haven't heard that.

No link but I watched part of McCarthy's presser after hiring Capers. He said the base will be a 3-4. They will most likely still use some 4-3, but matchups etc will dictate that.

Thanks, I found this on RotoWorld:

Packers switching to 3-4 defense under Capers

Coach Mike McCarthy confirmed Monday that the Packers will switch to a 3-4 defense under new coordinator Dom Capers.

The player most affected will be LE Aaron Kampman, who's been a base 4-3 end his entire career. He isn't ideally built to occupy blockers as most 3-4 ends do. The Packers may ask Kampman to shed weight and play with his hand up as an outside linebacker, or have him add pounds to get more stout. Jan. 19 - 4:04 pm et

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

 

[coolnerd]

John Abraham, imo a similiar level of player, garnered the 29th overall pick for the Jets and he got a new contract upon signing with the Falcons in 2006. think Abraham would been 27/8 at the time.

 

[pantherclub]

As a Panther fan we will take Kampman and your #9 pick for Peppers.

 

[sho nuff]

As a Panther fan we will take Kampman and your #9 pick for Peppers.

Do we at least get some lube if you are going to try that?Maybe take us out on a date first?In other words...no freakin way.

 

[Polish Hammer]

I would classify this as "highly unlikely" but I wonder if the Eagles would get him to play opposite Cole for the later of their first rounders. Knowing how they value draft picks and youth I really don't think it would happen, and I'm not sure if Kampman has a preferred side of the DL he likes to play on that could conflict with Cole. I know there has been talk about them going for Peppers, just thought this was worth discussing.

 

[pantherclub]

As a Panther fan we will take Kampman and your #9 pick for Peppers.

Do we at least get some lube if you are going to try that?Maybe take us out on a date first?In other words...no freakin way.

It was worth a try. Could have been our version of the Hershall trade

 

[Balco]

The best part about these Kampman rumors is that some Packer fans want to trade him because he doesn't fit as a 3-4 player (I completely disagree). But at the same time some are clamoring for Peppers who is not a fit at all and would demand crazy $$$. Not getting this at all.

Like when I referenced Justin Smith (and Kampman is a far superior player), some light ends can play in the 3-4. I think some people think that at all times there are 3 defensive lineman up front and 4 backers sitting back. On 1st and 2nd down, the D is essentially a 4-3 up front.

 

[Phurfur]

As a Panther fan we will take Kampman and your #9 pick for Peppers.

Do we at least get some lube if you are going to try that?Maybe take us out on a date first?In other words...no freakin way.

It was worth a try. Could have been our version of the Hershall trade

Peppers is an UFA????

 

[thatguy]

I would classify this as "highly unlikely" but I wonder if the Eagles would get him to play opposite Cole for the later of their first rounders. Knowing how they value draft picks and youth I really don't think it would happen, and I'm not sure if Kampman has a preferred side of the DL he likes to play on that could conflict with Cole. I know there has been talk about them going for Peppers, just thought this was worth discussing.

I could be wrong but I think he usually lines up over the RT.

 

[griz145389]

The best part about these Kampman rumors is that some Packer fans want to trade him because he doesn't fit as a 3-4 player (I completely disagree). But at the same time some are clamoring for Peppers who is not a fit at all and would demand crazy $$$. Not getting this at all.Like when I referenced Justin Smith (and Kampman is a far superior player), some light ends can play in the 3-4. I think some people think that at all times there are 3 defensive lineman up front and 4 backers sitting back. On 1st and 2nd down, the D is essentially a 4-3 up front.

I wouldn't want to be the team to experiment with Peppers in a 3-4. The guy I really want, but doubt Ted will open up the pocket books for is Suggs.

 

[NoCheese]

I think the absolute most the Packers would get is a 1st rounder in the 22-32 range. I think realistically teams would offer a 2nd/4th as opposed to giving up a 1st. Jared Allen fetched a 1st and (2) 3rd's, but he is 3 years younger and a more dynamic player, so I'm not sure you can use that as a comparison. Plus, he's only coming off a 9.5 sack season, so his perceived value is less than if he would have been traded after the 2007 season.

 

[Balco]

The best part about these Kampman rumors is that some Packer fans want to trade him because he doesn't fit as a 3-4 player (I completely disagree). But at the same time some are clamoring for Peppers who is not a fit at all and would demand crazy $$$. Not getting this at all.Like when I referenced Justin Smith (and Kampman is a far superior player), some light ends can play in the 3-4. I think some people think that at all times there are 3 defensive lineman up front and 4 backers sitting back. On 1st and 2nd down, the D is essentially a 4-3 up front.

I wouldn't want to be the team to experiment with Peppers in a 3-4. The guy I really want, but doubt Ted will open up the pocket books for is Suggs.

The player I really want is Karlos Dansby. Suggs is young, but he has alot of wear and tear on his body.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Jared Allen fetched a 1st and (2) 3rd's, but he is 3 years younger and a more dynamic player, so I'm not sure you can use that as a comparison.

Also, that trade involved the Vikings, so you have to substantially discount their price for purposes of establishing a comparable value. If the Vkings want Kampman, expect at least a #1; for any other team, I would expect a day 2 pick.I don't think the Packers should consider trading Kampan in any event. He is a great player at great value.

 

[Mr. Yuk]

The Vikings actually tried to sign Kampmann about 5 years ago, the Packers matched the offer.

 

[ScottyFargo]

The Vikings actually tried to sign Kampmann about 5 years ago, the Packers matched the offer.

Yep. And I think it would be a shame (for the Packers sake, not as a Vikes fan) if the Packers did in fact lose Kampman, he's a terrific player and while I understand the idea behind wanting to switch over to a 3-4, I don't think the Packers have the personnel to get it working right off the bat. I am expecting the Packers to make several moves with the FA market to get up to par. Losing Kampman to benefit a switch to a 3-4 seems counterproductive to me.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I think he'd do just fine in a 3-4.

 

[Kleck]

I don't think the Packers should consider trading Kampan in any event. He is a great player at great value.

I think he'd do just fine in a 3-4.

Agree with both. Doesn't matter to me if a guy is undersized/oversized for a certain position. It comes down to can the guy play, and Kampman is definitely a gamer. He's always done everything asked of him and then some. He's also a great teammate and Packer people. I believe Kampman is only around a $3.9M cap cost in 2009 too.

 

[JFT Ben]

The one thing people aren't talking about is that Kampman played LBer in HS and through his first two years of college (played 20 games as LBer). In addition, he played his last two years under Kirk Ferentz in Iowa (a Belichick coach at cleveland) who at a minimum knows the 3-4 and I think (Iowa fans correct me) runs the 3-4. That means that Kampman at least played LB in a 4-3; and a DE in perhaps a 3-4. The new coach (Capers) also just coached under Belichick, and perhaps knows Ferentz (who knows Kampman's strengths/weaknesses). How that fits in the proposed scheme, I don't know, but Capers also changed MIA from a 4-3 to 3-4 (I think) and made "tweener" Jason Taylor (6'6" 244) into the DEF player of the year in 2006. I personally wouldn't bet against Kampman and would bet that Capers finds a way to use him w/out trading him.

 

[Chachi]

Is Kampman to be registered as a LB or DE? I ask this because someone is all of a sudden trying to deal him my way.

 

[puckalicious]

A late 1st. About #20-25 or so.If its #26-32 throw in a 3rd.

I think the Lions should target him. Not worth their #20 IMO, but #33 and maybe a 3rd/4th rounder would be ok.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

A late 1st.

About #20-25 or so.

If its #26-32 throw in a 3rd.

I think the Lions should target him. Not worth their #20 IMO, but #33 and maybe a 3rd/4th rounder would be ok.

The Packers will never trade him within the division. I still find it hard to believe there are some around here that believe Cassel is worth the 20th pick, but not Kampman.

Others would sell their left one to get Julius Peppers on their team. The same Peppers that has 9 less sacks than Kampman over the last three years, 25 less tackles, and is the same age.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

It's difficult to even discuss his "market value" in a vacuum because people are talking about trading him due to the switch to a 3-4. If everyone knows you're getting rid of a guy because he's not right for what you want to do, it is instantly a buyer's market.

 

[Sabertooth]

True, but the guy is one of the most productive sackers in the past 4 seasons, better than even Peppers. You only need a few teams to run up the price.

 

[ScottyFargo]

They probably should have dealt him. This change has mistake written all over it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/90528143/1058

“It’s a difficult thing,” Greene said of the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker. “As a defensive end, when he’s down in a 3-point stance, he has a very narrow range of vision. One of the things you have to develop as a linebacker is a vision of the entire field, and you have to know personnel groupings and what that means to an offensive attack, and you need to see people break the huddle and see how eligible receivers line up and know what that means.

Plenty of people trying to "polish the turd" if you will by pointing out that he'll get to play DE in a four man line often, but that really doesn't mean much against the fact that he'd still be a full time DE if they didn't decide to switch it up. I think they could have gotten a 1st rounder for him, but his performance will slide this season with the change and they won't be able to get best value back for him, much like how the Bengals missed out on getting two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco before last season and now won't get anywhere near that value ever again.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

They probably should have dealt him. This change has mistake written all over it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/90528143/1058

“It’s a difficult thing,” Greene said of the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker. “As a defensive end, when he’s down in a 3-point stance, he has a very narrow range of vision. One of the things you have to develop as a linebacker is a vision of the entire field, and you have to know personnel groupings and what that means to an offensive attack, and you need to see people break the huddle and see how eligible receivers line up and know what that means.

Plenty of people trying to "polish the turd" if you will by pointing out that he'll get to play DE in a four man line often, but that really doesn't mean much against the fact that he'd still be a full time DE if they didn't decide to switch it up. I think they could have gotten a 1st rounder for him, but his performance will slide this season with the change and they won't be able to get best value back for him, much like how the Bengals missed out on getting two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco before last season and now won't get anywhere near that value ever again.

The beat writer for the Milwaukee paper has expressed similar concerns regarding Kampman's mini-media boycott. He has in the past been a consistently good interview. I personally think don't have much concern at all at this point in the offseason.

Sorry, but when your most accomplished defensive player doesn't talk after even the team urged him to do so, I think you've got a problem (Oooh, I've got a big problem, Jerry! 5:45 mark). And Kampman's prolonged silence only invites speculation. He has been told this. He knows this. And he continues to let it happen. He also puts it on his teammates and coaches to answer questions about him. He knows all of this. Yet he still remains silent.

The only explanation I have is that we all know Kampman to be a virtuous man. He has never lied to me, and I doubt any other reporter. If you ask him a question he doesn't like or would force him to give an adversarial response, Kampman will simply say he would rather not comment on that.

Well he's declining comment now, so he's likely going with the "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" approach.

Of course, if I were asked to switch positions after seven years from one that I had mastered and had risen to Pro Bowl level in a contract year, and if my team didn't seem eager to talk extension until they saw how I made this transition (which could end up costing me money if I flop), then I probably wouldn't want to say much either.

Of course, that's all speculation. Which is exactly what Kampman is inviting by staying silent.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.htmlThat said, I don't fully understand your comments regarding his trade value. Are you suggesting they could have gotten a 1st round pick for Kampman earlier this offseason but that window is now closed?

 

[Adebisi]

They probably should have dealt him. This change has mistake written all over it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/90528143/1058

“It’s a difficult thing,” Greene said of the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker. “As a defensive end, when he’s down in a 3-point stance, he has a very narrow range of vision. One of the things you have to develop as a linebacker is a vision of the entire field, and you have to know personnel groupings and what that means to an offensive attack, and you need to see people break the huddle and see how eligible receivers line up and know what that means.

Plenty of people trying to "polish the turd" if you will by pointing out that he'll get to play DE in a four man line often, but that really doesn't mean much against the fact that he'd still be a full time DE if they didn't decide to switch it up. I think they could have gotten a 1st rounder for him, but his performance will slide this season with the change and they won't be able to get best value back for him, much like how the Bengals missed out on getting two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco before last season and now won't get anywhere near that value ever again.

I have a hard time believing that anyone would seriously have given up two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco.

 

[Jason Wood]

Given his age, I would throw out a 2nd rounder. I agree that he's not quite the 4-3 DE Jared Allen is, but he's still a difference maker at the position. I would do the Dance of Joy if the Birds landed him for a 2nd and one of our younger ends.

 

[ScottyFargo]

They probably should have dealt him. This change has mistake written all over it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/90528143/1058

“It’s a difficult thing,” Greene said of the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker. “As a defensive end, when he’s down in a 3-point stance, he has a very narrow range of vision. One of the things you have to develop as a linebacker is a vision of the entire field, and you have to know personnel groupings and what that means to an offensive attack, and you need to see people break the huddle and see how eligible receivers line up and know what that means.

Plenty of people trying to "polish the turd" if you will by pointing out that he'll get to play DE in a four man line often, but that really doesn't mean much against the fact that he'd still be a full time DE if they didn't decide to switch it up. I think they could have gotten a 1st rounder for him, but his performance will slide this season with the change and they won't be able to get best value back for him, much like how the Bengals missed out on getting two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco before last season and now won't get anywhere near that value ever again.

The beat writer for the Milwaukee paper has expressed similar concerns regarding Kampman's mini-media boycott. He has in the past been a consistently good interview. I personally think don't have much concern at all at this point in the offseason.

Sorry, but when your most accomplished defensive player doesn't talk after even the team urged him to do so, I think you've got a problem (Oooh, I've got a big problem, Jerry! 5:45 mark). And Kampman's prolonged silence only invites speculation. He has been told this. He knows this. And he continues to let it happen. He also puts it on his teammates and coaches to answer questions about him. He knows all of this. Yet he still remains silent.

The only explanation I have is that we all know Kampman to be a virtuous man. He has never lied to me, and I doubt any other reporter. If you ask him a question he doesn't like or would force him to give an adversarial response, Kampman will simply say he would rather not comment on that.

Well he's declining comment now, so he's likely going with the "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" approach.

Of course, if I were asked to switch positions after seven years from one that I had mastered and had risen to Pro Bowl level in a contract year, and if my team didn't seem eager to talk extension until they saw how I made this transition (which could end up costing me money if I flop), then I probably wouldn't want to say much either.

Of course, that's all speculation. Which is exactly what Kampman is inviting by staying silent.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.htmlThat said, I don't fully understand your comments regarding his trade value. Are you suggesting they could have gotten a 1st round pick for Kampman earlier this offseason but that window is now closed?

Not specifically the offseason, no, but after this season, I suspect he'll be worth less than now. If he were to be traded right now, even with him being silent and the possible perception of Green Bay not being able to utilize him fully with the defensive scheme change, I think he'd still go for a high amount. I personally feel he is worth a 1st, but obviously teams would rather pay less. I think there might be a team out there willing to part with a 1st, at any rate, but I don't believe the Packers are going to trade him.After this season is done, however, I believe his performance will drop off to the point where the Packers will not be able to get as good of value for what he is worth. I think his play will suffer simply because they're going to put him out of position too often, but he'll remain a top flight athlete and player. Jene's article containing the anecdote about Warren Sapp's time in Oakland not playing the 3 technique struck home as being a great example of how a player's ability to change games is contingent to putting them in the right position. Switching between OLB and 4 Line DE might work out just fine for Kampmann, it is probably too early to worry at this point...but I have a hunch that it might have been in GB's best interest to commit, one way or the other, to 3-4 or 4-3.

 

[ScottyFargo]

They probably should have dealt him. This change has mistake written all over it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/90528143/1058

“It’s a difficult thing,” Greene said of the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker. “As a defensive end, when he’s down in a 3-point stance, he has a very narrow range of vision. One of the things you have to develop as a linebacker is a vision of the entire field, and you have to know personnel groupings and what that means to an offensive attack, and you need to see people break the huddle and see how eligible receivers line up and know what that means.

Plenty of people trying to "polish the turd" if you will by pointing out that he'll get to play DE in a four man line often, but that really doesn't mean much against the fact that he'd still be a full time DE if they didn't decide to switch it up. I think they could have gotten a 1st rounder for him, but his performance will slide this season with the change and they won't be able to get best value back for him, much like how the Bengals missed out on getting two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco before last season and now won't get anywhere near that value ever again.

I have a hard time believing that anyone would seriously have given up two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco.

Unless I am misremembering I thought I'd heard reports of Philly making such an offer but the Bengals adamantly refusing it. It could have been wrong. But he had been a pretty good WR for a while.

 

[Phurfur]

They probably should have dealt him. This change has mistake written all over it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/90528143/1058

“It’s a difficult thing,” Greene said of the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker. “As a defensive end, when he’s down in a 3-point stance, he has a very narrow range of vision. One of the things you have to develop as a linebacker is a vision of the entire field, and you have to know personnel groupings and what that means to an offensive attack, and you need to see people break the huddle and see how eligible receivers line up and know what that means.

Plenty of people trying to "polish the turd" if you will by pointing out that he'll get to play DE in a four man line often, but that really doesn't mean much against the fact that he'd still be a full time DE if they didn't decide to switch it up. I think they could have gotten a 1st rounder for him, but his performance will slide this season with the change and they won't be able to get best value back for him, much like how the Bengals missed out on getting two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco before last season and now won't get anywhere near that value ever again.

I have a hard time believing that anyone would seriously have given up two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco.

Unless I am misremembering I thought I'd heard reports of Philly making such an offer but the Bengals adamantly refusing it. It could have been wrong. But he had been a pretty good WR for a while.

It was reported that Washington offered 2 1sts last off season.

 

[PrimUomo]

The major reason for this speculation is his lack of media transparency in these OTA's and everyone knows all the questions toward him would be the switch to OLB and he hasn't even had a chance to try it out. If he talked all he would talk about is learning the position (playing LB in high school really means nothing considering he is playing against professional athletes rather than teenagers). This speculation is pretty baseless.

Also, talking about what he is going to be asked to do is not "polishing the turd" as he will be pretty much a DE on most downs (ever notice how pretty much every 3-4 team has a defensive end playing linebacker?) and if he fails in coverage could be subbed out on passing downs (which could both extend his career and be the cause some grievence if there is any).

If he does go on the block (which I don't see happening) the asking price would have to be a first but I could see them taking a second and a couple of third rounders (The FO may actually prefer this as they need to repopulate the team with 3-4 players). A Kampman-Peppers deal would actually make sense though. Peppers is far more athletic than Kampman making Peppers a better fit at OLB--he wouldn't be as much of a liability on passing downs. I see Peppers as just as dominate at LB as at DE and hence worth the money they'd have to pay him (although idk the Packer's cap situation).

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

if he fails in coverage could be subbed out on passing downs (which could both extend his career and be the cause some grievence if there is any).

If he fails in coverage, maybe he would just play with a hand down in passing situations. So he'd be like KGB, except offering more for less money. I consider that a worst-case scenario. Rarely is it a story that a player is NOT talking. He could recite the company line if he wanted to. That he isn't, does it signify some huge problem? I dunno. But I do know that he's on the field practicing the OLB position, which is more important.

 

[bcr8f]

They probably should have dealt him. This change has mistake written all over it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/90528143/1058

“It’s a difficult thing,” Greene said of the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker. “As a defensive end, when he’s down in a 3-point stance, he has a very narrow range of vision. One of the things you have to develop as a linebacker is a vision of the entire field, and you have to know personnel groupings and what that means to an offensive attack, and you need to see people break the huddle and see how eligible receivers line up and know what that means.

Plenty of people trying to "polish the turd" if you will by pointing out that he'll get to play DE in a four man line often, but that really doesn't mean much against the fact that he'd still be a full time DE if they didn't decide to switch it up. I think they could have gotten a 1st rounder for him, but his performance will slide this season with the change and they won't be able to get best value back for him, much like how the Bengals missed out on getting two 1sts for Chad Ochocinco before last season and now won't get anywhere near that value ever again.

He's no turd and played LB until his junior year in college.Don't mistake silence for more than what it is.

 

[uwgb96]

Not specifically the offseason, no, but after this season, I suspect he'll be worth less than now. If he were to be traded right now, even with him being silent and the possible perception of Green Bay not being able to utilize him fully with the defensive scheme change, I think he'd still go for a high amount. I personally feel he is worth a 1st, but obviously teams would rather pay less. I think there might be a team out there willing to part with a 1st, at any rate, but I don't believe the Packers are going to trade him.After this season is done, however, I believe his performance will drop off to the point where the Packers will not be able to get as good of value for what he is worth. I think his play will suffer simply because they're going to put him out of position too often, but he'll remain a top flight athlete and player. Jene's article containing the anecdote about Warren Sapp's time in Oakland not playing the 3 technique struck home as being a great example of how a player's ability to change games is contingent to putting them in the right position. Switching between OLB and 4 Line DE might work out just fine for Kampmann, it is probably too early to worry at this point...but I have a hunch that it might have been in GB's best interest to commit, one way or the other, to 3-4 or 4-3.

Will he suddenly forget how to play 4-3 DE? Why would he lose value to 4-3 teams? Sure he will have less value to the Packers and teams that play a 3-4 if he doesn't make the adjustment, but I fail to see how his value will take a huge hit.