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When did Owens go bad? (1 Viewer)

boubucarow

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I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.

1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?

 
Do you mean bad = bad or bad = good?
1998 was obviously when be became a difficult receiver to deal with. How long after that did his demeanor go sour. I was a huge fan of his at first but can't now remember when it began to go downhill.
 
Birth ...
This is what I am interested in actually. His college coaches talk about how humble he was at that time and it seems that was the case his first few years in the NFL. This isn't like other head cases like Randy Moss who showed that throughout his career and in college.
 
when did his grandmother die? I know she pretty much raised him and he was very close to her.

 
There was a discussion about this on ESPN last year when he was going through his meltdown with the Eagles.

The consensus seemed to be that in his first years in SF, there were still a lot of veteran holdovers from the final SB team(s), and they were able to "keep him in line." In his final years in SF, those guys had retired and he was the best and highest-profile player on the team, so he felt he could get away with acting and talking selfish all the time. The genie has never been put back in the bottle, as it were.

 
Do you mean bad = bad or bad = good?
1998 was obviously when be became a difficult receiver to deal with. How long after that did his demeanor go sour. I was a huge fan of his at first but can't now remember when it began to go downhill.
I don't know about behind the scenes. But IIRC, Owens first publicly showed his rear end in the 2000 season at Dallas. That was the game where he ran to midfield twice to preen on the Dallas star emblem. Also IIRC: Emmit Smith ran out there the second time to knock him off of the star.
 
There was a discussion about this on ESPN last year when he was going through his meltdown with the Eagles. The consensus seemed to be that in his first years in SF, there were still a lot of veteran holdovers from the final SB team(s), and they were able to "keep him in line." In his final years in SF, those guys had retired and he was the best and highest-profile player on the team, so he felt he could get away with acting and talking selfish all the time. The genie has never been put back in the bottle, as it were.
This is reminiscent of Dennis Rodman's early pro years on the "Bad Boys" Pistons teams. On that squad, he was another guy alongside several considerable egos.
 
I forgot to add: the Sharpie incident was also later in the 2000 season, if I recall correctly.

 
I forgot to add: the Sharpie incident was also later in the 2000 season, if I recall correctly.
the sharpie thing was 2-3 years later i believe. maybe he went bad when he had to be told to stop "seeing" his girlfriend because she was actually his half sister. Thats gotta mess you up.
 
The straw that broke the camals back was when he hired Drew "scumbag" Rosenhaus and ruined the great press and support he had from Philly after the Super Bowl.

 
I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?
If the Refs called a Rice fumble prior to that catch, Owens would have been a huge goat. The beginning of 2000 49er season is when it all started, after a 36-28 loss to the #### Jauron led Bears, where the 49ers had a halftime lead dwindle away, and Owens accused Mooch of letting up on Mooch's buddy Jauron. Then the Star incident, and I think during the same season he let loose a petulant tirade against then OC Gregg Knapp on the sideline, which television cameras captured.
 
I forgot to add: the Sharpie incident was also later in the 2000 season, if I recall correctly.
the sharpie thing was 2-3 years later i believe. maybe he went bad when he had to be told to stop "seeing" his girlfriend because she was actually his half sister. Thats gotta mess you up.
Nothing happened between them. However he was told he couldnt hang out with her anymore
 
If it's legal to do this...

The Long, Strange Trip of Terrell Owens

SFGate.com -- C.W. Nevius Blog

The report that Terrell Owens had attempted suicide had a lot of people shaking their heads. (I've had to update the blog since he said that he wasn't trying to hurt himself.) His explanation is a little fishy, but even if we take it at face value, it is another weird moment in what has turned out to be a strange football career. When the original report was that he'd tried to kill himself, there were those who said they never thought he'd do that.

Terrell Owens used to say he was "in awe'' of the big time players. Then he turned into one.

It's a life-long theme with Owens, actually. They didn't think a lot of things. They didn't think he'd ever be a player -- and they meant in high school, not in the Super Bowl. They didn't think he'd he'd get out of Alexander City, Alabama.

And most of all they didn't think he'd turn out to be this showboating, controversial, troubled character.

I met Owens back in 1996, when I interviewed him before his first starting assignment with the 49ers. He was a sweet kid. People don't believe that now, but he really was.

At that point we didn't know if his first name was pronounced TEAR-ell or ter-ELL.

"It's Terrell, like barrel,'' he said.

He joked about the college program where he played, Tennessee-Chattanooga (he said he got some interest from Livingstone College in Salisbury, North Carolina but went with T-C). He was, he used to admit happily, a bit of a bumpkin.

In fact, he said, when he made the Tennessee-Chattanooga basketball team, and they traveled to Salt Lake City, it was the farthest west he'd ever gone.

"What,'' I asked, "was the next farthest place?''

"West Virginia,'' he said.

He told the story of his grandmother, who was his surrogate mom, and who was so protective of him that when he got a bike, she made him stay on the driveway, riding around in little circles.

He was skinny (185 pounds), raw, and thrilled to be playing in high school. He bulked up in a big way in college, so much so that a suspicious person might wonder if performance drugs were involved. By the time he was a senior he was 6-4, 220 pounds and could run like an antelope.

He was taken in the third round of the NFL draft in 1996 and was hardly a sensation. Ten wide receivers were taken ahead of him and J. J. Stokes was the big name newcomer at the time.

Back at the time, he told me he wandered into the 49ers locker room after he was chosen.

"I just stood there and stared,'' he said, "just trying to visualize being in the same room with those guys. I got chill bumps.''

A few years later, after a game, I walked up to Owens at the mirror. He was putting in his diamond earring. I asked some innocuous question, probably not the most intelligent one he'd heard that day.

He blew up. He yelled at me, told me he'd already talking, and wasn't talking any more. I was so surprised I stood there and looked at him. I couldn't think of a response.

"Didn't you hear?'' a reporter said. "He turned into a jerk.''

I don't know when that happened. It would be easy to blame the bling and the money. He must have gotten some bad advice, that's for sure. Suddenly he was stomping on the star in the middle of the Dallas field, or pulling a pen out of his sock after a touchdown to autograph the football.

By the time he left the 49ers it was a case of good riddance. He was a great receiver and an even bigger pain in the butt. He went on to call Jeff Garcia gay, get into a feud with Donovan McNabb when he was with the Eagles, and gave every indication of being a rampaging prima donna. He played in the Super Bowl with a broken bone and the Eagles still didn't want to keep him.

He's been the center of controversy and trouble ever since. The move to Dallas had all the earmarks of a disaster, and sure enough, here it is.

He's in deep trouble. He's lost his way, and not just as a player. Whether or not he ever plays in another Super Bowl isn't really the question. He's at risk for his life.

And no, I am not saying it is anyone's fault but his. There are plenty of kids from tiny towns and humble backgrounds who hit the big time and manage just fine. He had a miracle chance and he blew it.

But somewhere in there is that kid, riding little circles on his grandmother's driveway, the guy who was thrilled to have a chance to play.

But right now that guy is lost. There are a lot of people who are completely fed up with him. And they wish Owens the worst.

They can stop now. They got their wish.

 
:shrug:

This thread should be preserved for all time as a monument to how ill-informed Owens' critics almost always are. Is his grandmother alive? Was the Sharpie incident when he was with the Niners? Did Emmitt Smith fell him with a sniper's rifle from an orbiting blimp when he ran out on to the star?

Geez. "Nothing to see here" doesn't begin to cover it. :moneybag:

 
I think it was when he realized he was the man in Sf passing over Jerry Rice, in the begininning of his career TO seemed like a good guy, he talked about how much he looked up to Rice. I am a giants fans but I do like TO, I love his game he play physical unlike most of the receivers like Pinkston who are scared to go over the middle. That being said I wish he would shut up and play football.

 
I think it was when his mental illness became apparent.

Are you born with mental illness, or do you develop it?

 
hburgers11 said:
Doug B said:
I forgot to add: the Sharpie incident was also later in the 2000 season, if I recall correctly.
the sharpie thing was 2-3 years later i believe.
Good catch -- I stand corrected: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_OwensI think "standing on the star in Dallas" is pretty much the answer to the OP.

This thread should be preserved for all time as a monument to how ill-informed Owens' critics almost always are. Is his grandmother alive? Was the Sharpie incident when he was with the Niners? Did Emmitt Smith fell him with a sniper's rifle from an orbiting blimp when he ran out on to the star?
:( The exact timing of the specific incidents is not all that critical. Come on, now.

Note also: simple recounts of his past actions do not constitute criticism. Someone asked "when did he go off the rails?", and we are dispassionately mentioning past events to serve as demonstrations of just when he may have gone south.

 
I think "standing on the star in Dallas" is pretty much the answer to the OP.
The Jauron/Mooch incident was the beginning to me, because Mooch kinda mocked Owens during a press conference after Owens claimed Mooch let up Jauron during the second half of the game, because they were friends. That was the beginning of the rift between Mooch and Owens.
 
Must Not Go Off On TO . . . Hard To Do.

I agree that it was the Dallas Star incident that was the "first" of his public "I'm a jerk" moves.

 
boubucarow said:
I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?
TO never did go bad.TO is just getting annihiliated by the media because it sells papers.Its just like what the press is doing to Saban right now. You would think Saban was a mass-murderer the way the media is smearing him. It sells papers.Its smut.
 
boubucarow said:
I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?
TO never did go bad.TO is just getting annihiliated by the media because it sells papers.Its just like what the press is doing to Saban right now. You would think Saban was a mass-murderer the way the media is smearing him. It sells papers.Its smut.
Do you see Reggie Wayne or Tony Dungy (for example) getting all the negative press? Nope, and it is because they act normal....they have some integrity.
 
boubucarow said:
I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?
TO never did go bad.TO is just getting annihiliated by the media because it sells papers.Its just like what the press is doing to Saban right now. You would think Saban was a mass-murderer the way the media is smearing him. It sells papers.Its smut.
Do you see Reggie Wayne or Tony Dungy (for example) getting all the negative press? Nope, and it is because they act normal....they have some integrity.
Just because you don't act normal does not give the media the right to mutiliate your image in the press.
 
Todem said:
The straw that broke the camals back was when he hired Drew "scumbag" Rosenhaus and ruined the great press and support he had from Philly after the Super Bowl.
:yucky:
I gotta disagree. That was after he'd already done the Star and Sharpie things, burned the Niners, called out Garcia and called him gay, and then burned the Ravens. The camel was broke by the time he hired Rosenpenis. He had been pretty good that whole year in Philly but then he spun out of control again after hiring Rosenwormtongue.
 
boubucarow said:
I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.

1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?
TO never did go bad.TO is just getting annihiliated by the media because it sells papers.

Its just like what the press is doing to Saban right now. You would think Saban was a mass-murderer the way the media is smearing him. It sells papers.

Its smut.
:yucky: Based on the sig though I know any sort of logical refutation of that statement would fall on deaf ears. Poor TO, such a victim. Never did nuthin to nobody.

 
Just because you don't act normal does not give the media the right to mutiliate your image in the press.
Owens used the media to tarnish his "enemies'" images too. What comes around, goes around.
 
Todem said:
The straw that broke the camals back was when he hired Drew "scumbag" Rosenhaus and ruined the great press and support he had from Philly after the Super Bowl.
ding ding ding
 
boubucarow said:
I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?
TO never did go bad.TO is just getting annihiliated by the media because it sells papers.Its just like what the press is doing to Saban right now. You would think Saban was a mass-murderer the way the media is smearing him. It sells papers.Its smut.
:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :hifive: :scared: :coffee: :sleep: :shock: :shock: :shock:
 
boubucarow said:
I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?
TO never did go bad.TO is just getting annihiliated by the media because it sells papers.Its just like what the press is doing to Saban right now. You would think Saban was a mass-murderer the way the media is smearing him. It sells papers.Its smut.
Do you see Reggie Wayne or Tony Dungy (for example) getting all the negative press? Nope, and it is because they act normal....they have some integrity.
Don't see Marvin Harrison getting the negative press either, despite him choking a couple kids.
 
Todem said:
The straw that broke the camals back was when he hired Drew "scumbag" Rosenhaus and ruined the great press and support he had from Philly after the Super Bowl.
:thumbdown:
I gotta disagree. That was after he'd already done the Star and Sharpie things, burned the Niners, called out Garcia and called him gay, and then burned the Ravens. The camel was broke by the time he hired Rosenpenis. He had been pretty good that whole year in Philly but then he spun out of control again after hiring Rosenwormtongue.
How can we say Rosenpenis but we can't say **** Jauron?It's all TO's fault.
 
drummer said:
boubucarow said:
I was watching the replay of the 1998 Packers-49ers playoff game in which T.O. caught the winning touchdown. If you remember, he had dropped a few passes that game. At the end of the game and in the locker room, TO broke down emotionally at first, apologized for his bad game, and thanked all his teammates for having the faith in him and picking him up. The cut ins with TO talking about it all showed the same apologetic and humble reactions.1998 was TO's first big big year with 1097 yards and 14 touchdowns. When did his transformation really surface?
If the Refs called a Rice fumble prior to that catch, Owens would have been a huge goat. The beginning of 2000 49er season is when it all started, after a 36-28 loss to the #### Jauron led Bears, where the 49ers had a halftime lead dwindle away, and Owens accused Mooch of letting up on Mooch's buddy Jauron. Then the Star incident, and I think during the same season he let loose a petulant tirade against then OC Gregg Knapp on the sideline, which television cameras captured.
Apparently you CAN say **** Jauron.So what is "the #### Jauron" here...
 
Must Not Go Off On TO . . . Hard To Do.I agree that it was the Dallas Star incident that was the "first" of his public "I'm a jerk" moves.
Nope. Anybody living in the Bay Area at the time knows that drummer is absolutely correct -- the episode where TO publicly disses his coach (Mooch) for not going for the jugular because his friend (Jauron) was coaching the opponent was TO's first public unprofessional move. This led to Mooch publicly saying that TO was a fool (paraphrasing) and it's been downhill ever since.As for the true CAUSE of TO's turn against authority figures, that's the more interesting, and more difficult, question to answer.
 
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file.../26/SP69411.DTL

this is a very interesting read about owens. It is from a while ago and sheds a little light. I was always an Owens supporter and never really thought what he did was that bad. Loved the endzone dances, sharpie thing, the way he played, et etc. I really stopped liking him when SF no longer wanted him, then Philly no longer wanted him. I figured he really had to be a huge Jerk, when nobody wanted him around.

 
TO has done some stupid stuff but the media does go WAY overboard with him. I remember the media coverage about him falling asleep in a team meeting. :thumbup: Come on now man.....

Merriman doesn't get near as much flack and he was caught doping up. Hell, he may get an award for it. What about all the Bengals who have been arrested this yr? I can't even remember the players name that beat his wife in public earlier on in 2006. Etc....

 
TO has done some stupid stuff but the media does go WAY overboard with him. I remember the media coverage about him falling asleep in a team meeting. :thumbup: Come on now man.....Merriman doesn't get near as much flack and he was caught doping up. Hell, he may get an award for it. What about all the Bengals who have been arrested this yr? I can't even remember the players name that beat his wife in public earlier on in 2006. Etc....
I dont really think the media just singles him out. If the TO talk gets too quiet, he just does something to prime the pump again. I mean who else has done as many things as Owens and doesnt get the bad press?I mean sure we can throw lots of things other people have done out there, but they arent usually repeat performers. And they certainly arent repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat........performers.
 
TO has done some stupid stuff but the media does go WAY overboard with him. I remember the media coverage about him falling asleep in a team meeting. :thumbup: Come on now man.....

Merriman doesn't get near as much flack and he was caught doping up. Hell, he may get an award for it. What about all the Bengals who have been arrested this yr? I can't even remember the players name that beat his wife in public earlier on in 2006. Etc....
Owens created a lot of drama even before he went to Philly. He made himself a story. Owens is a deep well for media copy, and he seems to never dissatisfy , especially even after he got canned from the Eagles, with his whole driveway display of shtick. People will still love Owens for what he can do on the field. Heck, San Francisco Giants fans bury their head in the sand when it comes to Barry Bonds. Owens did bring in a legion of younger fans to the 49ers, who still want him back on the team, regardless of the ultimate consequences that come with having Owens on your team, regardless of who created the negative attention, media or player.

The issue is not that Owens is a bad guy with a police blotter, but a bad teammate who never holds himself accountable, and doesn't respect authority, or some of his teammates.

 
Todem said:
The straw that broke the camals back was when he hired Drew "scumbag" Rosenhaus and ruined the great press and support he had from Philly after the Super Bowl.
:bye:
I gotta disagree. That was after he'd already done the Star and Sharpie things, burned the Niners, called out Garcia and called him gay, and then burned the Ravens. The camel was broke by the time he hired Rosenpenis. He had been pretty good that whole year in Philly but then he spun out of control again after hiring Rosenwormtongue.
Well I think hiring Rosenhaus was really the final thing. Before that the Sharpie, and the Star were kinda kooky but overall not that bad. He screwed San Fran over, but at the time I chalked it up to the fact that he just really wanted to get out of town and play with McNabb. Then came Rosenhaus.....that's when he started acting like a complete and total nut job.
 

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