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Who's the safest pick- L Maroney or D Williams? (1 Viewer)

Which player is LEAST likely to bust as a RB in the NFL?

  • Laurence Maroney RB, NE

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  • DeAngelo Williams RB, CAR

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ILoveMyLions

ILoveMyLions

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I'm taking a different approach to this debate; which player is the safer pick or has the higher floor? I didn't see a topic on this matter and was curious what the board thought. No discussion is needed on who's the better player, as that has been discussed in length as soon as a couple of days ago in this thread:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...illiams+maroney

Just focus on who's the safer pick. Thanks...

 
In my very biased opinion, DeAngelo Williams will start by week 3 if not the opener, while Maroney will not get any significant playing time until next year at the earliest.

If NE plans on implementing a zone-blocking scheme like the one he ran in at Minnesota, he's going to be a stud.

Otherwise, we're looking at Kevin Faulk #2.

Williams will be the centerpiece of a rush-oriented offense for the foreseeable future. The same cannot be said of Maroney.
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I think Maroney is the safer pick but I don't see his ceiling nearly as high as DWill, nor his career as long. Here's how I see it:

Chance of being a bust:

Maroney: 5%

Dwill: 10%

therefore I'd still go wiith Dwill.

 
Definitely Maroney. He was chosen higher, he has the better supporting cast, he has less competition for the future starting role, and he went to the better organization.

 
Definitely Maroney. He was chosen higher, he has the better supporting cast, he has less competition for the future starting role, and he went to the better organization.
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all this is true, but I'd still vote for Williams. I just think he is significantly more talented than Maroney and that will bear out over their careers.
 
Hmm...

I think both play for teams/coaches that are committed to running the ball. Both play for teams/coaches that should not be losing their job anytime soon.

Neither have prototypical size... Although DeAngelo is 3 inches shorter and only 3 lbs lighter.

Maroney comes into the league at age 21 vs 23 for Williams.

The biggest thing I don't like about Williams is that he seems like a clone of DeShaun Foster. Not a tough inside runner and doesn't come with a spectacular history health wise.

Williams shined throughout his college career, albeit in C-USA. Maroney split time with a guy who ended up a 4th round draft pick.

I've kinda got it in my head that Fox would prefer a tough, slug it up the gut RB like he had in Stephen Davis, which made me go :confused: when they took Williams.

I dunno. I like Maroney slightly more, but that's probably just the Belichick factor.

 
Although I like them both and it's hard for me to see either being a huge bust, I believe Maroney is the more safe and better pick for reasons EBF stated above.

I also really like it that Maroney is two years younger with far less wear.

 
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I dissagree that the Patriots supporting cast is better than the Panthers.

Steve Smith is a MUCH better player than Branch is.

Brady is better than Delhomme so that makes this a bit of a wash. But one that favors Williams imo because the Pats can count on Brady to pass the ball a ton relativly mistake free.. The Panthers not so much.. they need to run the ball more that the Pats do.

Defenses have to respect Steve Smith more than they do Branch though as Brady will spread the ball much more than Delhomme will. I think Carolina can take more advantage of defensive scheming against Smith than the Pats can take advantage of defenses playing more balanced coverage.

I think both have above average OLines but they are about equal in talent and ability.

Defensive advantage I think goes to the Panthers.

Coaching philosophy I think favors Williams also as Fox is more commited to running the ball than I think BB is.. BB has Brady.

I definitly think Williams is the more talented Rb and thus less likely to be a bust.

But I have been noticing that peoples opinions about Williams vary a lot. People question his size, his ability to run inside, his health and other things that really dont make much sense to me.

 
I've kinda got it in my head that Fox would prefer a tough, slug it up the gut RB like he had in Stephen Davis
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i agree with this....which is why i would go Maroney. the good news for me is that i expect Williams to go much earlier in my leagues draft.
 
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Definitely Maroney. He was chosen higher, he has the better supporting cast, he has less competition for the future starting role, and he went to the better organization.
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its possible this is very close, so i wouldn't say definitely...he was chosen higher, but there are no doubt a lot of teams that would have teaken williams ahead of maroney...

better supporting cast is debateable... sure brady is great, but as was noted above, so is steve smith... they both have good defenses... less competition is one point i agree with (in his prime foster more formidable obstacle to starting than a twilight of his career dillon... long term dillon won't be around, foster might)... as to better organization, its not like williams went to the 49ers... many have tabbed CAR as team to beat in NFC, they have gone to super bowl or conference championship two of past three years, they both have very strong defenses & if they were to face NE tomorrow, i'm not sure CAR wouldn't beat them... i'd say they are pretty close in overall talent...

 
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I'm torn here. I think talent-wise Maroney is more likely to just end up not actually being a good pro football player because I saw a lot of him and was never ever impressed at all. However, from an FF perspective we know Maroney is going to get his shot as Dillon will be collecting his pension soon whereas if Foster somehow figures out how to stay healthy DeAngelo could end up never really getting a shot a la Chris Perry.

 
I like Maroney better but only slightly. He seems to be more of a home run threat and can get the tough yards when he puts his mind to it.

 
There certainly should be a similiar poll/discussion for Addai/White. Addai is just not very good or talented but in the great situation and White is a fat, lazy guy with much more talent. That would make a great poll. :hey:

 
Definitely Maroney. He was chosen higher, he has the better supporting cast, he has less competition for the future starting role, and he went to the better organization.
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Like living in the past???Head to head

Who had the better record, scored more points, yielded fewer points???

Who played in the tougher division?

Pats had 2 pro bowl selections, Panthers had 4.
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You say "Like living in the past?" and then you point to statistics from... the past. Then you really hit it out of the park by pointing to Pro Bowl selections. :lmao: I also find it pretty comical how some of you are saying Brady > Delhomme, but since Smith > Branch, it's "a wash." :lol:

 
I voted for Maroney for several reasons involving the Pats situation, all of which were already pointed out. Inclusive in my reasoning are several beliefs I hold about Dwill's abilities. He seems not only rougher around the edges to me, I also think he will have fewer opportunities in the passing game in Carolina.

Not to say I wouldn't jump at the chance to draft this guy at 1.3 in any rookie draft. If/When foster gets hurt again DWill will get his shot, if he is ready. Maroney WILL at least plod along in NE. While DWILL has a higher ceiling he could very well underwhelm us all and make us wonder why.

In the interests of full disclosure I admit to being a foster owner.

Kevin

 
ILoveMyLions, I assume this is for a dynasty, not a re-draft, correct? Sorry if I may have missed that...

 
Definitely Maroney. He was chosen higher, he has the better supporting cast, he has less competition for the future starting role, and he went to the better organization.
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its possible this is very close, so i wouldn't say definitely...he was chosen higher, but there are no doubt a lot of teams that would have teaken williams ahead of maroney...
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FWIW, I heard the Giants had Maroney higher on their board.
 
If I may slightly hijack, among Maroney/Williams/Addai, which back is the most likely to be the 300 carry, unquestioned starter NEXT season... not in 2006.

Rank them in order if you are so inclined.

 
If I may slightly hijack, among Maroney/Williams/Addai, which back is the most likely to be the 300 carry, unquestioned starter NEXT season... not in 2006.

Rank them in order if you are so inclined.
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AddaiWilliams

Moroney

 
If I may slightly hijack, among Maroney/Williams/Addai, which back is the most likely to be the 300 carry, unquestioned starter NEXT season... not in 2006.

Rank them in order if you are so inclined.
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AddaiWilliams

Moroney
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Interesting. I think I'd turn your list completely upside down.IMO, Dillon is out of town in '07, Foster is still lurking, and Addai has bust potential.

 
If I may slightly hijack, among Maroney/Williams/Addai, which back is the most likely to be the 300 carry, unquestioned starter NEXT season... not in 2006.

Rank them in order if you are so inclined.
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AddaiWilliams

Moroney
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Interesting. I think I'd turn your list completely upside down.IMO, Dillon is out of town in '07, Foster is still lurking, and Addai has bust potential.
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I'm kind of going with the assumption that even if any of these guys are busts, they'll still be given a shot at starting next season (unless they are just complete busts). I don't see anyone in Indy challenging Addai any time soon, which is why I've got him #1. Foster is obviously going to get injured again, so I'm putting Williams at #2. And I'm not convinced that Corey Dillon is all washed up yet, so if he's productive this season, I think he'll be back again in 2007, holding off Moroney for another season.
 
Definitely Maroney. He was chosen higher, he has the better supporting cast, he has less competition for the future starting role, and he went to the better organization.
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Like living in the past???Head to head

Who had the better record, scored more points, yielded fewer points???

Who played in the tougher division?

Pats had 2 pro bowl selections, Panthers had 4.
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Here on present day Earth, Tom Brady is still a much better quarterback than Jake Delhomme and the Belichick regime still has three more Super Bowl titles than the entire Carolina Panthers franchise history.
 
Definitely Maroney. He was chosen higher, he has the better supporting cast, he has less competition for the future starting role, and he went to the better organization.
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Like living in the past???Head to head

Who had the better record, scored more points, yielded fewer points???

Who played in the tougher division?

Pats had 2 pro bowl selections, Panthers had 4.
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The Denver Broncos went 12-2 in 1977 to the Steelers 9-5.They defeated the Steelers 34-21 in the playoffs.

The Broncos point differential was +126 to the Steelers +40.

But I'll bet you remember which team won the next two Super Bowls. Yeah, the team that had won two Super Bowls before. And there was no orange in sight.

One down year does not equal the end of a dynasty. And most NFL franchises would do anything to have a double-digit winning season, division title and playoff victory signify a down season.

As for division strength, I'm pretty sure the NFC South was much stronger. If so, however, then the NFC South teams had records inflated by playing against the weak AFC North. And the NFC as a whole was considerably weaker than the AFC.

 
The biggest thing I don't like about Williams is that he seems like a clone of DeShaun Foster. Not a tough inside runner and doesn't come with a spectacular history health wise.
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You guys really need to quit believing everything you read on these boards. I attend the University of Memphis, and Deangelo has no ?'s as far as his health history. He did suffer a broken foot in a bowl game a couple years ago, but continued to play. Other than that, he has missed something like 3 to 5 games over his collegiate career. Foster has always been an IR waiting to happen.
 
One of these guys has carried a full load for years. The other has not, and broke down trying to take on a tad more than halfsy duty last year.

 
Definitely Maroney. He was chosen higher, he has the better supporting cast, he has less competition for the future starting role, and he went to the better organization.
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Like living in the past???Head to head

Who had the better record, scored more points, yielded fewer points???

Who played in the tougher division?

Pats had 2 pro bowl selections, Panthers had 4.
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Here on present day Earth, Tom Brady is still a much better quarterback than Jake Delhomme and the Belichick regime still has three more Super Bowl titles than the entire Carolina Panthers franchise history.
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Hyperbole. New England has proven itself to be one of the most competitive organizations, who have generally drafted well and won a few SBs. Got you there. They also drafted Kevin Faulk (2), J.R. Redmond (3), Cedric Cobbs (4), Patrick Pass (7), Antoine Womack (7) and needed to resort to bringing in an established FA in Dillon because they couldn't find one drafting for themselves. They get no benefit of the doubt from me that they have the college scouting expertise to draft "the best" RB. I'm not getting into comparing two excellent organizations, or inflating what to expect from a rookie just because his organization is marginally superior.

 
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Chance of being a bust:

Maroney: 5%

Dwill: 10%
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these percentages need to be increased quite a bit
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:goodposting: Those numbers aren't realistic at all.
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How realistic will they be when neither of them bust?
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Even flawless prospects probably have a higher bust rate than that due to the possibility of injury. Williams and Maroney are far from flawless. The average generic first round RB has something like a 50-65% chance of becoming a solid starter.
 
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