Why are some owners so unreasonable (1 Viewer)

[belljr]

Sometimes being a commissioner sucks..... We are a friendly bunch but I swear people just like to get pissed off.

So I didn't have my phone on me, owner called before the game started, said he wasn't home, he wanted to start roethlisberger instead of griffin. So I grab my phone when I went upstairs during the TD review. See I have a message, and listen, crap.

So I text the other owner, during that review and say, hey man so and so called and is starting Roethlisberger, he left me a voicemail, I just listened to it, so I'm making the change now...

Team B goes off the deep end.

/rant

Am I wrong?

 

[footballnerd]

I'm not sure the commish is responsible to make line up changes. I have never seen that before especially with everyone having smartphones. I've been playing this game for a long time too.

 

[Buffaloes]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

 

[belljr]

I'm not sure the commish is responsible to make line up changes. I have never seen that before especially with everyone having smartphones. I've been playing this game for a long time too.

What? Not everyone has smart phones.... and not to get off topic but there was fantasy before people had computers So you are saying if someone was not near a computer and called you, you wouldn't make the change?That's harsh

 

[belljr]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

Because the guy was at work and called me.

 

[Buffaloes]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

Because the guy was at work and called me.

I still don't get it.

 

[bweiser]

yeah, if you have a time stamp and can verify the call came before the deadline - and you've done this before - there should be no problem

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

can the guy put rapistberger in before he goes to work?

 

[ratbast]

As long as you play with that option then fine. He will get over it.

Its a thankless job

 

[belljr]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

Because the guy was at work and called me.

I still don't get it.

Guy had to work, called me and said he wanted to start roethlisberger.... I however did not retrieve the message until after the game started , but he left the message prior to the lineup deadline

 

[PatsWillWin]

I'm not sure the commish is responsible to make line up changes. I have never seen that before especially with everyone having smartphones. I've been playing this game for a long time too.

What? Not everyone has smart phones.... and not to get off topic but there was fantasy before people had computers So you are saying if someone was not near a computer and called you, you wouldn't make the change?That's harsh

Then why didn't you just do it instead of calling the other owner first?I would make the change if I got the message/request before one of the players started their game and was able to make the change before the game started. After the game starts, SOL, not the commish's responsibility.

 

[belljr]

yeah, if you have a time stamp and can verify the call came before the deadline - and you've done this before - there should be no problem

Same rule for the last 19 years....

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Owner B is a #####, as are all the people here giving you #### for making the change. Of course you should sub in Roethlisberger, there is absolutely zero reason to do otherwise.

Its a thankless job

This.

 

[Buffaloes]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

Because the guy was at work and called me.

I still don't get it.

Guy had to work, called me and said he wanted to start roethlisberger.... I however did not retrieve the message until after the game started , but he left the message prior to the lineup deadline

just my 2 cents, but I think if you were able to make the change before the game started then I'd do it if I were you. But since he missed you and you didn't get the mssg I'd just tell him sorry, I missed the call til after the game started. I think it's a slippery slope (and a pain in the ### if your leaguemates want time-stamped proof)if you allow the switch after the game started. RGIII will probably score more and he hasn't been accused of rape multiple times (that I have heard at least).

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Owner B is behaving like a tool. He'll get over it. You did nothing wrong.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I think it's a slippery slope

It isn't.

 

[belljr]

I'm not sure the commish is responsible to make line up changes. I have never seen that before especially with everyone having smartphones. I've been playing this game for a long time too.

What? Not everyone has smart phones.... and not to get off topic but there was fantasy before people had computers So you are saying if someone was not near a computer and called you, you wouldn't make the change?That's harsh

Then why didn't you just do it instead of calling the other owner first?I would make the change if I got the message/request before one of the players started their game and was able to make the change before the game started. After the game starts, SOL, not the commish's responsibility.

What? Maybe I explained it wrong.TEAM A - calls from work, "belljr, I can't set my lineup, I want to start roethlisberger" message left at 8:14belljr sitting on couch watching tv, without his phone. Roethlisberger TD to Wallace is under review.Belljr runs up stairs to get a beverage, sees he has a message on his phone.belljr retrieves said message.belljr runs back downstairs, gets on computer, changes lineup and calls TEAM B to let him know

 

[belljr]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

Because the guy was at work and called me.

I still don't get it.

Guy had to work, called me and said he wanted to start roethlisberger.... I however did not retrieve the message until after the game started , but he left the message prior to the lineup deadline

just my 2 cents, but I think if you were able to make the change before the game started then I'd do it if I were you. But since he missed you and you didn't get the mssg I'd just tell him sorry, I missed the call til after the game started. I think it's a slippery slope (and a pain in the ### if your leaguemates want time-stamped proof)if you allow the switch after the game started. RGIII will probably score more and he hasn't been accused of rape multiple times (that I have heard at least).

I'm not trying to sound like that "old guy" BUT we've been doing this since 94 back when EVERYTHING was phoned in. It's the same group of friends so there is trust and none of us cheat. I think some people are just so used to online stuff and or anonymous leagues that perspective gets skewed.

 

[bweiser]

i wouldn't even have called team B.

such a world filled with babies. it's fantasy football for god sakes.

 

[renesauz]

This used to be SOP before the proliferation of smart phones and high speed internet in every home.

Nothing to see here. Make the change and give the comlaining owner a history lesson.

 

[Buffaloes]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

Because the guy was at work and called me.

I still don't get it.

Guy had to work, called me and said he wanted to start roethlisberger.... I however did not retrieve the message until after the game started , but he left the message prior to the lineup deadline

just my 2 cents, but I think if you were able to make the change before the game started then I'd do it if I were you. But since he missed you and you didn't get the mssg I'd just tell him sorry, I missed the call til after the game started. I think it's a slippery slope (and a pain in the ### if your leaguemates want time-stamped proof)if you allow the switch after the game started. RGIII will probably score more and he hasn't been accused of rape multiple times (that I have heard at least).

I'm not trying to sound like that "old guy" BUT we've been doing this since 94 back when EVERYTHING was phoned in. It's the same group of friends so there is trust and none of us cheat. I think some people are just so used to online stuff and or anonymous leagues that perspective gets skewed.

This changes everything then. I didn't read that you had been doing this for 19 years until after I posted that. If it's been SOP for you guys for the past 2 decades then I don't think there should be any issue.

 

[WisWolvrns]

if that's how you run you league, then it's perfectly fine. call request happened before the deadline so you make the change when you notice it. else it's even worse for you as the commish, because you would have to give up doing anything but sitting next to a computer with your phone before every game kickoff every single week. any owners expecting that type of commissioner effort just so they don't have to be accountable to pull their weight and actually submit a lineup themselves ahead of time is quite unreasonable.

 

[duaneok66]

if that's how you run you league, then it's perfectly fine. call request happened before the deadline so you make the change when you notice it. else it's even worse for you as the commish, because you would have to give up doing anything but sitting next to a computer with your phone before every game kickoff every single week. any owners expecting that type of commissioner effort just so they don't have to be accountable to pull their weight and actually submit a lineup themselves ahead of time is quite unreasonable.

thank you. excellent post.

 

[belljr]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

Because the guy was at work and called me.

I still don't get it.

Guy had to work, called me and said he wanted to start roethlisberger.... I however did not retrieve the message until after the game started , but he left the message prior to the lineup deadline

just my 2 cents, but I think if you were able to make the change before the game started then I'd do it if I were you. But since he missed you and you didn't get the mssg I'd just tell him sorry, I missed the call til after the game started. I think it's a slippery slope (and a pain in the ### if your leaguemates want time-stamped proof)if you allow the switch after the game started. RGIII will probably score more and he hasn't been accused of rape multiple times (that I have heard at least).

I'm not trying to sound like that "old guy" BUT we've been doing this since 94 back when EVERYTHING was phoned in. It's the same group of friends so there is trust and none of us cheat. I think some people are just so used to online stuff and or anonymous leagues that perspective gets skewed.

This changes everything then. I didn't read that you had been doing this for 19 years until after I posted that. If it's been SOP for you guys for the past 2 decades then I don't think there should be any issue.

Yeah we have 2 guys only been in it the past 8 or so, the other 10 since the beginning, this was one of the "newer" guys, half the league do not even have a PC at all during the day. Anyway, was just venting, I think I get called to change a lineup and can't get to it before a game starts maybe 2 times a year, it is not a normal occurrence.

 

[MIMN]

I'm not sure the commish is responsible to make line up changes. I have never seen that before especially with everyone having smartphones. I've been playing this game for a long time too.

What? Not everyone has smart phones.... and not to get off topic but there was fantasy before people had computers So you are saying if someone was not near a computer and called you, you wouldn't make the change?That's harsh

Then why didn't you just do it instead of calling the other owner first?I would make the change if I got the message/request before one of the players started their game and was able to make the change before the game started. After the game starts, SOL, not the commish's responsibility.

What? Maybe I explained it wrong.TEAM A - calls from work, "belljr, I can't set my lineup, I want to start roethlisberger" message left at 8:14belljr sitting on couch watching tv, without his phone. Roethlisberger TD to Wallace is under review.Belljr runs up stairs to get a beverage, sees he has a message on his phone.belljr retrieves said message.belljr runs back downstairs, gets on computer, changes lineup and calls TEAM B to let him know

Why does belljr talk about himself in third person? I have no problem with the change and would do the same. Letting the other owner is also the right move. It's not like a single TD by Roethlisberger is "lighting it up". If it were the end of the game and Ben had a career game I would be a little more on the fence.Bottom line, if they don't trust you as commissioner then they should leave the league.

 

[PatsWillWin]

If it's an established league rule than tell Team B to deal with it.

 

[WisWolvrns]

thx... I lived it for 20+ years before finally 'retiring'... did similar back in the pre-internet days too, even had some email hosting at one point with a commish account I'd log into only twice a week so I could email to the account at the deadline (lineups/waivers) so any emails after that were too late, so owners couldn't cry their email didn't arrive on time because of 'technical issues'... lol Definitely have seen the gambit of owner whining, it is a thankless job, but a good, honest commish is the glue that holds a league together for a bunch of friends to have some extra fun during football season.

Keep up the great work!

 

[moderated]

If the message was before kickoff then of course he should be able to start Ben.

 

[MIMN]

Hey, I meant to drop Mendy and pick up and start Redman. Please log into my league and do it. Thx.

 

[belljr]

Hey, I meant to drop Mendy and pick up and start Redman. Please log into my league and do it. Thx.

TIMESTAMP

 

[Wrigley]

Are you wrong about what?

Swap the players out, no big deal.

Guys going to be pissed when RG3 outperforms Rape though

 

[PIK95]

i wouldn't even have called team B. such a world filled with babies. it's fantasy football for god sakes.

This.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Back in the "old days", I would usually place a call with my competing owner and exchange our lineups with each other so there was no confusion about who we planned on starting that week.

 

[footballnerd]

I'm not sure the commish is responsible to make line up changes. I have never seen that before especially with everyone having smartphones. I've been playing this game for a long time too.

What? Not everyone has smart phones.... and not to get off topic but there was fantasy before people had computers So you are saying if someone was not near a computer and called you, you wouldn't make the change?That's harsh

Okay when I used to play baseball/basketball on grid paper we didn't have computers. but i think we submitted our lineups for the week, if I recall right.well I would help them if I was available to do it before kick off, but I'm not so sure about dropping a voicemail to get it in. But if its in your rules then its all good.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Let me guess a big $ league?

...Even though he can't join the rest of the world and get Internet capability on his phone.

 

[belljr]

Let me guess a big $ league?...Even though he can't join the rest of the world and get Internet capability on his phone.

100 beans so no, and not to generalize but some of these guys are very blue collar job wise....

 

[HughHoney]

I don't play in leagues where owners don't have smart phones.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Team B is a cry baby. If he continues to cry tell him there are plenty of people that will take is spot next year and not be a baby.

 

[doeseatplace]

why are you responsible for making lineup changes for any team but yours?

Because the guy was at work and called me.

I still don't get it.

Guy had to work, called me and said he wanted to start roethlisberger.... I however did not retrieve the message until after the game started , but he left the message prior to the lineup deadline

just my 2 cents, but I think if you were able to make the change before the game started then I'd do it if I were you. But since he missed you and you didn't get the mssg I'd just tell him sorry, I missed the call til after the game started. I think it's a slippery slope (and a pain in the ### if your leaguemates want time-stamped proof)if you allow the switch after the game started. RGIII will probably score more and he hasn't been accused of rape multiple times (that I have heard at least).

I'm not trying to sound like that "old guy" BUT we've been doing this since 94 back when EVERYTHING was phoned in. It's the same group of friends so there is trust and none of us cheat. I think some people are just so used to online stuff and or anonymous leagues that perspective gets skewed.

Older guy here, and I agree, but not even based on technology. Sometimes real life actually takes you out of the fantasy football loop; we've always viewed Commish as being the guy you contacted if you need to make a last minute change and cannot do it yourself. Calling the opposing owner a class act, but clearly not required.

 

[Shutout]

This sounds like something that used to happen 10-15 years ago.

But, anyway, As a commish, I have done this for people (life happens). yes, i think team B is going overboard but, at the same time, when you look at it from its basic level, the entire interaction for some people who play FF is to submit a lineup and watch it perform and to view their opponent's lineup perform at the same time, creating the "competition" and that competition is what the owner is paying you to be a part of. So, on a very basic level, sure, he has a legit complaint because he SHOULD know who he is playing and be able to adjust his watching of the games accordingly.

When this has come up with me, I simply ask that if you need me to do this for you because of whatever reason, take an aditional 30 seconds to copy the opponent or call him also if at all possible, just as a courtesy.

 

[belljr]

This sounds like something that used to happen 10-15 years ago. But, anyway, As a commish, I have done this for people (life happens). yes, i think team B is going overboard but, at the same time, when you look at it from its basic level, the entire interaction for some people who play FF is to submit a lineup and watch it perform and to view their opponent's lineup perform at the same time, creating the "competition" and that competition is what the owner is paying you to be a part of. So, on a very basic level, sure, he has a legit complaint because he SHOULD know who he is playing and be able to adjust his watching of the games accordingly. When this has come up with me, I simply ask that if you need me to do this for you because of whatever reason, take an aditional 30 seconds to copy the opponent or call him also if at all possible, just as a courtesy.

I hear what you are saying, but I also made the change and notified the owner with 5:25 left in the first quarter, the weeks games were only 10 minutes old. Not like I changed it on Tuesday.

 

[roadkill1292]

Back in the "old days", I would usually place a call with my competing owner and exchange our lineups with each other so there was no confusion about who we planned on starting that week.

I always encouraged guys to do this when I commished. We all knew one another and had each other's numbers so it seemed like a no-brainer thing to do.

 

[Sleeper 43]

You should look into seeing if you can forward the time date and message to team B. As long as he knows it was before KO there shouldn't a problem. Otherwise, there will always be that shady possibility of shenanigans.

 

[ppierce]

if the call was placed before kickoff, sure why not?

 

[netnalp]

What you did was what I'd do. Informing team B of the change so they'd know what is happening rather than seeing the change when the screen refreshes. If the message was sent to you before kickoff then it's a non-issue. Team B is just behaving like a child.

 

[Da Guru]

Since the advent of computers the commish is not needed to make changes in any leagues I play in. It is totally up to the players because the system locks you out at kickoff. Eliminates any kind of lineup tampering.

 

[glumpy]

Owner B is a #####, as are all the people here giving you #### for making the change. Of course you should sub in Roethlisberger, there is absolutely zero reason to do otherwise.

Its a thankless job

This.

Yup. And i don't know your scoring rules or his other choices but that might not have been such a winning move for him anyway.

 

[zandbak]

Sounds like team B doesn't trust the Commish. Which makes me wonder why he's even in the league if that's the case.

 

[netnalp]

Since the advent of computers the commish is not needed to make changes in any leagues I play in. It is totally up to the players because the system locks you out at kickoff. Eliminates any kind of lineup tampering.

I disagree. Not everyone has smart phones. Many work places where employees have access to a computer block FF sites. There's many jobs and many circumstances in life where there isn't computer access.

 

[Da Guru]

Since the advent of computers the commish is not needed to make changes in any leagues I play in. It is totally up to the players because the system locks you out at kickoff. Eliminates any kind of lineup tampering.

I disagree. Not everyone has smart phones. Many work places where employees have access to a computer block FF sites. There's many jobs and many circumstances in life where there isn't computer access.

I understand..we have a rule in place for that as well. The team has to call the opposing team and the commish in that kind of situation. Just leave a quick message or text to the person you are playing that you are making a switch and do the same to the commish.