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Why Rueben Randle? (1 Viewer)
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steveski
Footballguy
They are only 1/4" difference in arm length.Hmm...does neither player have arms?
False Start
Footballguy
This guy is going to be what everyone wanted Nicks to be. He has the faith of the coaches and has shown he can produce. I love this kids upside especially where you are able to get him in the draft. He should be a solid WR3/4 with WR2 upside with the targets Nicks was getting.
Koya
Footballguy
I am both a Giants fan and Randle owner in dynasty. He does NOT have faith of the coaches. Had a ton of wrong routes last year which killed Eli - the easier system should help, but he is either/both of not doing his homework / not a rocket scientist. In addition, there have been murmurs about work ethic.
Physically I believe he can be a solid player especially with the other weapons the Giants have. However, I don't believe the Giant's would have invested a top 12 pick on the position if he really had the faith of the coaching and management staffs.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Wrong on so many levels.
People that keep alluding to the work ethic thing as if this is true. There was some questions 2 years ago as a rookie but it has been mentioned over and over again that Randle has been working extremely hard on and off the field.
People keep on saying Randle ran the wrong routes. Now I am sure some of them were his fault, but there were also other times the read was a bad communication between Randle and Eli. And let's not act like is if the offense was all Randle's fault. Eli had 27 ints last year. The offense was no longer effective and Gilbride was relieved of his duties.
The reason they drafted another WR is becuase they are moving to a lot more 3 wr sets and the other WR's on the roster are not starters. They really had no depth at the position. Randle is not some elite stud, but he is capable of being a very good NFL wr and fantasy WR. People that keep on knocking him are missing the boat. He is going to be effective in this new offense.
Koya
Footballguy
Wrong on SO many counts? Really?
1. I said "murmurs" of work ethic - smoke, may or may not be fire but I heard these as recently as last year.
2. Routes - He absolutely was a mess running routes and memorizing the system last year. Is that laziness? Lack of intelligence? Lack of dedication? I don't know... but these are not isolated comments. It's a refrain.
3. Of course he can be a solid contributor. I said he has the talent. BUT, if he doesn't improve his routes and/or dedication he won't ever be even that.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Randle interview from a few days ago
http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/WR-Rueben-Randle-talks-progress-of-new-offense-/7e363ff1-b057-44d1-9a8c-d022198a085d#watch
http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/WR-Rueben-Randle-talks-progress-of-new-offense-/7e363ff1-b057-44d1-9a8c-d022198a085d#watch
Faust
MVP
Reuben Randle says he could see action at slot receiver:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/rueben-randle-action-slot-receiver-blog-entry-1.1834155
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/rueben-randle-action-slot-receiver-blog-entry-1.1834155
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Rueben Randle - WR - Giants
Rueben Randle says the Giants' new offensive staff has approached him about adding slot receiver snaps to his repertoire.
"They were talking to me about coming in on the inside," Randle said, "using my big body in the seams. Whatever they need me to do, Ill do it." Randle is playing the role occupied by Jordy Nelson in Green Bay, from where new OC Ben McAdoo hails. McAdoo likely wants to be able to move around his receivers frequently, like the Packers' wideouts do. Victor Cruz should remain the Giants' primary slot man, but more snaps there could further boost Randle's outlook.
Source: New York Daily News Jun 19 - 10:58 PM
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Jernigan should take enough away from him until ODB gets settled for the years to come
Phenix
Footballguy
Jernigan? Stop it. ODB? Are you not the one who used LSU players suck in your attack on Randle yet you are an advocate for ODB as you put it?
Take his POV with a grain of salt, full disclosure of how accurate this guy is as he is in a league with me and we have a thread devoted to his bad mistakes and calls....
*He is the one who insisted Hartline is the Best WR in Miami hence the poll that was 100-10 in favor of Wallace.
*Cut Julius Thomas for a practice squad RB in Indy.
*Did not set lineup week 14 and lost Points title because of it.
*Traded Decker and Wilson for Miles Austin
*Gave up two 2nds for a guy I got off the WW (Pead)
*Left a trade open with an injured guy Kendall Hunter and Bennett for Olsen and Ingram, I took it.
*Gave me Gordon for 50 BBux
*Then, I gave Gordon back to you less then 4 months from that date for 1.06 and $75 bbux
*Turned down Alfred Morris for a 2nd last year
*Traded for Nicks and gave up Roddy White and 2.01
*Gave up 1.10 for Denarius Moore
*Traded Sproles for Dobson
*Insisted Von Miller would escape suspension, only to have a longer one then what was reported.
*Gave up Gerhart and Antonio Brown for Sproles, Broyles and a 2nd.
Grain of salt.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I would take the 1.10 for Moore, but I've not been a big fan of his.Jernigan? Stop it. ODB? Are you not the one who used LSU players suck in your attack on Randle yet you are an advocate for ODB as you put it?
Take his POV with a grain of salt, full disclosure of how accurate this guy is as he is in a league with me and we have a thread devoted to his bad mistakes and calls....
*He is the one who insisted Hartline is the Best WR in Miami hence the poll that was 100-10 in favor of Wallace.
*Cut Julius Thomas for a practice squad RB in Indy.
*Did not set lineup week 14 and lost Points title because of it.
*Traded Decker and Wilson for Miles Austin
*Gave up two 2nds for a guy I got off the WW (Pead)
*Left a trade open with an injured guy Kendall Hunter and Bennett for Olsen and Ingram, I took it.
*Gave me Gordon for 50 BBux
*Then, I gave Gordon back to you less then 4 months from that date for 1.06 and $75 bbux
*Turned down Alfred Morris for a 2nd last year
*Traded for Nicks and gave up Roddy White and 2.01
*Gave up Denarius Moore for 1.10
*Traded Sproles for Dobson
*Insisted Von Miller would escape suspension, only to have a longer one then what was reported.
*Gave up Gerhart and Antonio Brown for Sproles, Broyles and a 2nd.
Grain of salt.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
That 1.10 was keenan allen
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Phenix
Footballguy
Which you traded to me for a 2015 1st and 2015 2nd just a month ago. lol
But yeah of those, D Moore I guess shouldnt be added in that horrible group of moves. Gordon for $50 bux? yikes, guess you could have cut Julius Thomas for Kerwyn Williams... wait, you did. Tell me more about Jernigan effecting Randle... I'm all ears.
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Rolling_akg
Footballguy
He's got the talent. It just seemed they disproportionately had sloppy plays and int's when it went to RR. The new OC could look at safer options who run better routes IMO.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm sure you've made some doozys in your past as well. If you''ve played this hobby for any decent length of time you've made bad mistakes. If you say you haven't you're lying.
plastik
Footballguy
Wow. That's dirty pool, man. Not something I'd be bragging about. Major 'character red flag' to use some NFL draft parlance...
*Left a trade open with an injured guy Kendall Hunter and Bennett for Olsen and Ingram, I took it.
Phenix
Footballguy
LOL, my point exactly.Wow. That's dirty pool, man. Not something I'd be bragging about. Major 'character red flag' to use some NFL draft parlance...
*Left a trade open with an injured guy Kendall Hunter and Bennett for Olsen and Ingram, I took it.
You see dirty, I see a owner not wise enough to not leave trades open during games while another owner saw a trade he wanted to make as it clearly was in his favor and helped him win a title.
You worry about playing nice and tell me where that gets you in fantasy football. This is not life, its a game. I call it taking advantage of an opportunity. See how people view things differently. People worry so much about what people think of them its tiresome, if I cared what others thought of me that would stink as everyone always has an opinion. Some care so much about being liked, I guess.
As far as the round projection for Randle 3/4 is where I am going since he will seem to have a prominent roll in this offense, unless you are like some and think the blazing trails of Jernigan and Manningham might take catches and PT away.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not caring what others think of you is one thing,but not caring about social civility is usually not considered a good character trait and is frowned upon by the majority of society.LOL, my point exactly.Wow. That's dirty pool, man. Not something I'd be bragging about. Major 'character red flag' to use some NFL draft parlance...
*Left a trade open with an injured guy Kendall Hunter and Bennett for Olsen and Ingram, I took it.
You see dirty, I see a owner not wise enough to not leave trades open during games while another owner saw a trade he wanted to make as it clearly was in his favor and helped him win a title.
You worry about playing nice and tell me where that gets you in fantasy football. This is not life, its a game. I call it taking advantage of an opportunity. See how people view things differently. People worry so much about what people think of them its tiresome, if I cared what others thought of me that would stink as everyone always has an opinion. Some care so much about being liked, I guess.
As far as the round projection for Randle 3/4 is where I am going since he will seem to have a prominent roll in this offense, unless you are like some and think the blazing trails of Jernigan and Manningham might take catches and PT away.
False Start
Footballguy
Comments like these do not help it any either. Every time someone doesnt like what someone says it becomes a mess just like this thread because they have to compare manhood sizes. A mod feeding into does not help matters any. Randle has a lot of promise and some seem to still want to deny it, that;s fine, why argue about it, just let people find out the hard way if they don't want to listen to others. The writing is on the wall. When Nicks played the position he was hyped like the next big thing now that Randle is at the position and did better then Nicks last year, Randle cant be the next big thing? Makes no sense, this is when people over coach it and pass on a guy with clear upside.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I'm not his biggest fan but he's got really good upside for his current price. I question whether he and Manning will put in the work to get on the same page (or even same book). There's no denying his physical talent. I do agree the rope isn't long for him if the miscommunications continue between him and Manning in 2014. He does have one big thing going for him being the only WR with size.
Giants WRs coach Sean Ryan says the team saw a more focused Rueben Randle during the spring.
"For me, the battle with him is consistency, and I think he's addressed it in this offseason in the way he approaches his job," Ryan said. "I've seen a difference in his seriousness towards his work. This spring, I thought he was locked in." The switch to a simpler offensive system that doesn't rely as heavily on option routes should also help Randle. He's going to line up all over the field, even in the slot. Entering his third year, Randle is oozing with WR2 upside.
Source: ESPN New York
Giants WRs coach Sean Ryan says the team saw a more focused Rueben Randle during the spring.
"For me, the battle with him is consistency, and I think he's addressed it in this offseason in the way he approaches his job," Ryan said. "I've seen a difference in his seriousness towards his work. This spring, I thought he was locked in." The switch to a simpler offensive system that doesn't rely as heavily on option routes should also help Randle. He's going to line up all over the field, even in the slot. Entering his third year, Randle is oozing with WR2 upside.
Source: ESPN New York
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Rueben Randle - WR - Giants
The New York Daily News writes Rueben Randle "seems the favorite to start" opposite Victor Cruz in two-wide sets.
Randle "seems the favorite to start" over rookie Odell Beckham. The Giants are expected to essentially run a base three-wide offense under new OC Ben McAdoo, but "starting" in two-wide formations could mean the difference between playing 95 percent of the snaps, and 65-70. It's certainly worth noting. Beckham missed time during OTAs with a hamstring issue, giving Randle an edge.
Source: New York Daily News
Jul 16 - 10:38 PM
The New York Daily News writes Rueben Randle "seems the favorite to start" opposite Victor Cruz in two-wide sets.
Randle "seems the favorite to start" over rookie Odell Beckham. The Giants are expected to essentially run a base three-wide offense under new OC Ben McAdoo, but "starting" in two-wide formations could mean the difference between playing 95 percent of the snaps, and 65-70. It's certainly worth noting. Beckham missed time during OTAs with a hamstring issue, giving Randle an edge.
Source: New York Daily News
Jul 16 - 10:38 PM
JohnnyU
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Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Every Giants WR has had communication/route running issues with Eli the past few years. I think we'll see that all cleared up with McAdoo's offense
Koya
Footballguy
Well, when Eli's throwing 20 feet above them it's hard to tell.
Seriously, the new system should help, a lot, but Randle was definitely one of if not the worst offended from the WRs.
I think the guy has talent, and I own him in a dynasty so it's not like I'm rooting against him. But he needs to really step it up.
Koya
Footballguy
Meh. Talk to me in late August. Not to say Randle is not the favorite at this point over a rookie. It's just way to early for anything of substance on any position battle that is pretty wide open at this point. You have Cruz, that's the only known quantity at the position. The rest we will have to see how the roles play out. And in this system, the third / slot WR can have a ton of value. Should be an interesting camp.
False Start
Footballguy
Meh, some already know he is a good WR and much better then Beckham and others always like the new fresh rookie. Not really a secret that Randle is a good WR and has already shown he is highly capable and did a great job as a WR3 making Nicks look liked he belong at WR3. 3rd year WR, look out, he already has steadily progressed.
Not to mention from your comments you are clearly a naysayer who will discourage anything against him. You must own Beckham.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Next. Brandon Lafell redux.
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False Start
Footballguy
Lafell has never had the volume of passes that Randle will get this year not to mention is not as good as Randle. They need to get you a TV in Escanaba so you can see that, the snow must mess up your satellite.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ok. I'll look into it. But I really doubt Randle is the starter mid season. Maybe in name only but I can't see more than 50 catches. Fantasy scrap heap material. Lafell actually had more catches and yards last year.Lafell has never had the volume of passes that Randle will get this year not to mention is not as good as Randle. They need to get you a TV in Escanaba so you can see that, the snow must mess up your satellite.
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False Start
Footballguy
He just got 41 on limited snaps and passes throw to him? This is why we cant have good conversations, logic is thrown completely out the window because you own Beckham.Ok. I'll look into it. But I really doubt Randle is the starter mid season. Maybe in name only but I can't see more than 50 catches. Fantasy scrap heap material. Lafell actually had more catches and yards last year.Lafell has never had the volume of passes that Randle will get this year not to mention is not as good as Randle. They need to get you a TV in Escanaba so you can see that, the snow must mess up your satellite.
Lafell played for a different team and had more targets as a main option in Carolina and only caught 8 more passes in his 4th season. Again, logic, out the window.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised to see Beckham overtake Randle at some point, but Randle has an opportunity and if he does well, then Beckham's ascent will be slow.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Eli sucked last year mostly, so we will just have to sit tight and watch this year how well or bad Randle does. I'm reading that Randle is doing very well in the OTAs and has worked very hard on his route running in the off-season.
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Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Why are we arguing about two WR set starters? They will be in 3 WR sets most of the time.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
False Start
Footballguy
I am convinced you do not get to watch football games.Sabertooth said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Huh? What is so different for Reuben this year? Same grumpy hc, same crappy online, same Victor Cruz. If anything his situation got worse when they drafted a Wr despite glaring needs on the online and plenty of lineman with talent available. And this in a very deep wr class. That does not speak to much confidence in the receiving corps to me.
The opportunity was there last year, he failed to seize it so they brought in another option. Nicks has been hurt for Randles whole career. He hasn't done much. I think he's in for a pedestrians career. Coughlin is going to retire soon. Followed by Eli. Then it will be roster turnover and he isn't good enough to plan a team around. He's James Jones, not Jordy Nelson.
The opportunity was there last year, he failed to seize it so they brought in another option. Nicks has been hurt for Randles whole career. He hasn't done much. I think he's in for a pedestrians career. Coughlin is going to retire soon. Followed by Eli. Then it will be roster turnover and he isn't good enough to plan a team around. He's James Jones, not Jordy Nelson.
False Start
Footballguy
Its clear it doesn't matter what we say, you have your mind made up. That's a dangerous thing in fantasy, seeing as how things always change.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
i am open minded. But sometimes you have to cut bait. I don't see anything that convinces me that Reuben Randell is a top 30 wideout in the NFL. Nothing he has done has been above average. He's not the best option on his own team. He's not in the top 6 in his own division. He has an old coach and an aging Qb. The Nfl is brimming with reliever talent all of a sudden. I'd rather Allen Robinson or Martavis Bryant at this point in dynasty.
False Start
Footballguy
He doesnt have to be a Top 30 WR to have value. He isnt even being drafted as one since he is being taken as WR 40-45. This is the problem, everyone has to talk about every player like they have to be elite to have value.
Randle has WR2 upside at WR4 value, whats not to like? Some people over think this game a little too much.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Wr2 upside? Maybe in a given week if the stars line up. Good luck guessing which week.
netnalp
Footballguy
From the way it sounded from OTA reports, Beckham will be the #2. In 3WR sets Randle and Beckham will be on the outside and Cruz in the slot. Need to see how he does and is used in the new offense. Is he a YAC type? He should benefit from the Giants having probably the worst group of TEs in the NFL.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
No, it sounds like Randle will be the #2, initially at least. "The New York Daily News writes Rueben Randle "seems the favorite to start" opposite Victor Cruz in two-wide sets."
