KiddLattimer
Footballguy
After this disaster of a debate, will there be a second?
It went bad for all of us. The world is laughing at us.It went that bad for Biden?
Oh the horrors , oh heavensIt went bad for all of us. The world is laughing at us.
Id support him making a release saying that was a disaster for the American people. I will give a series of 30 minute speeches on the topics that would be covered during future debates and posting them online (get someone to cover them live as well) or hold town hall type of events to cover the topics. Explain that nobody wins when two candidates just speak over each other and the moderator.No.
I don't think Biden "bails," but I bet he refuses to sit through that $hit show again.
I think not doing it once "proves" that Biden's age or "dementia" or whatever is being hidden.Id support him making a release saying that was a disaster for the American people. I will give a series of 30 minute speeches on the topics that would be covered during future debates and posting them online (get someone to cover them live as well) or hold town hall type of events to cover the topics. Explain that nobody wins when two candidates just speak over each other and the moderator.
If they have another one I bet they do this.how do they not just turn off the mic when it is not their time to speak? what a #### show.
They would have to have both sides agree to it, and have a feeling one side won't agree to that stipulation.If they have another one I bet they do this.
Only by those who weren’t going to vote for him anyway.If Biden refuses to do a debate, it will be painted as weak and running scared.
Likely very true. I am worried about the ones who were undecided coming into this debate and just got sick of watching this and are dissuaded by voting for either.Only by those who weren’t going to vote for him anyway.
I don't think Trump or his camp cares for a true substantive knock out blow as opposed to more disruption and bluster which to them might look like strength regardless if it's coherent or not.Of course there will be a 2nd debate. Both candidates need it, but for vastly different reasons. Trump needs to make a knockout blow, while Biden needs to play defense. Neither can afford to back out.
You have to consider the sheer number of Trump supporters who honestly believed that Biden would back out of the first debate; people who badly misinterpreted Nancy Pelosi's quotes as some sort of fear for Biden rather than contempt for the process. Those guys are doubling down.I'm really surprised by the results of the poll. I commented in the debate thread that if I were Biden I wouldn't do another one but I don't think that will happen just what I would do. I'm surprised this many people think this will be the only one.
The results of the poll suggests even the people in here know Biden isnt up for this fight.You are trying 𝘴𝘰 𝘴𝘰 𝘴𝘰 hard.
The same poll said Hillary would win in 2016.The results of the poll suggests even the people in here know Biden isnt up for this fight.
:whoosh: This poll was started 3 hours ago.The same poll said Hillary would win in 2016.
Exactly this. It's easy to spin it as he wants to address the issues.Id support him making a release saying that was a disaster for the American people. I will give a series of 30 minute speeches on the topics that would be covered during future debates and posting them online (get someone to cover them live as well) or hold town hall type of events to cover the topics. Explain that nobody wins when two candidates just speak over each other and the moderator.
Or, people think Biden is better than that #### show of a "debate"The results of the poll suggests even the people in here know Biden isnt up for this fight.
These things should be abolished. They make our nation collectively stupider by turning government into a football game. As someone who watches a lot of football but avoids the hell out of political debates, it's hard not to notice how blue fans and red fans approach debates exactly the same way I approach Bills games. IMO, that's fine for sports -- it's a harmless form of escapism that gets some of the tribalism out of your system. It's very bad for government though.TLEF316 said:I still have no idea why anyone cares about "winning the debates". The skills required to debate are in no way related to the skills required to effectively govern.
I agree but really only after last night - that was a complete circus and only the hyper-partisan would disagree that it’s exactly what Trump wanted and started. There should be no more debates in this cycle. I have no real issue if they bring them back during the next cycle. There’s much bigger issues that cause tribalism than 3 debates every four years.These things should be abolished. They make our nation collectively stupider by turning government into a football game. As someone who watches a lot of football but avoids the hell out of political debates, it's hard not to notice how blue fans and red fans approach debates exactly the same way I approach Bills games. IMO, that's fine for sports -- it's a harmless form of escapism that gets some of the tribalism out of your system. It's very bad for government though.
Maybe there was a time when debates made sense, but they've clearly outlived their usefulness.
I disagree.These things should be abolished. They make our nation collectively stupider by turning government into a football game. As someone who watches a lot of football but avoids the hell out of political debates, it's hard not to notice how blue fans and red fans approach debates exactly the same way I approach Bills games. IMO, that's fine for sports -- it's a harmless form of escapism that gets some of the tribalism out of your system. It's very bad for government though.
Maybe there was a time when debates made sense, but they've clearly outlived their usefulness.
Political debates are pretty much the complete opposite of an honest exchange of ideas. Even under the best of circumstances, they're just two people trading talking points to win over an audience. I agree that it requires skill to practice sophistry at a high level, but it's not exactly noble or enlightening.I disagree.
Civil debates still hold value. An honest exchange of ideas on policies is good for the process.
This was my thinking too.Stompin' Tom Connors said:Likely very true. I am worried about the ones who were undecided coming into this debate and just got sick of watching this and are dissuaded by voting for either.
I DVR’d it as I was unable to watch it live. After reading everyone’s reaction to it, I’ll probably just delete it.I saw a tweet yesterday saying he'd rather do just about anything than watch the debate.
I thought that was kind of hyperbole.
15 minutes in, i was agreeing with him. I turned it off.
I know part of it is just how I am and I value seeking peace but that legit made me uncomfortable. I so wish the election were today and we get past this part.
Last night plus the actual comments are showing people know Biden is up for it...but doesn't mean he should take part in that type of trainwreck again (pretty much exactly what Pelosi was talking about when saying Biden shouldn't even debate him at all).tonydead said:The results of the poll suggests even the people in here know Biden isnt up for this fight.
You should probably take a sledgehammer to your DVR and TV and then set your house on fire - just to be sure.I DVR’d it as I was unable to watch it live. After reading everyone’s reaction to it, I’ll probably just delete it.
Yeah, this is the part that just saddens me.Imagine being someone under 18 watching that mess last night and mustering up any energy to participate in the political process going forward.
As a libertarian, I see this is as the silver lining.Imagine being someone under 18 watching that mess last night and mustering up any energy to participate in the political process going forward.
It sure is. Even this part:As someone who watches a lot of football but avoids the hell out of political debates, it's hard not to notice how blue fans and red fans approach debates exactly the same way I approach Bills games.
I totally relate, as it's something I've said and done with too many Giants games over the last few years. :(I DVR’d it as I was unable to watch it live. After reading everyone’s reaction to it, I’ll probably just delete it.
It was bad for both of them. Worse it was bad for all of us watching.Widbil83 said:It went that bad for Biden?
You mean they drink to excess and jump through folding tables for about 4 hours before the debate, spend the first half of the debate screaming about how <insert candidate/opposing player> sucks and <insert coach/national committee> doesn't know how to call plays, then pass out during the second half?it's hard not to notice how blue fans and red fans approach debates exactly the same way I approach Bills games.
obligatoryYou mean they drink to excess and jump through folding tables for about 4 hours before the debate, spend the first half of the debate screaming about how <insert candidate/opposing player> sucks and <insert coach/national committee> doesn't know how to call plays, then pass out during the second half?
####, I gotta start watching debates.
Big gubment take?-OZ- said:Or, people think Biden is better than that #### show of a "debate"
We should all be embarrassed that we're here, but Trumpites never had any conscience anyway.