Woman films her own abortion (1 Viewer)

[KCitons]

How about a little reverence for the life you are terminating?? Just a little. You have the right to do it because the state says you do, but how about a little acknowledgement of what you are actually doing?? The only requirement is not to film the thing, thereby making it a spectator sport. Otherwise, nobody knows that she doesn't give a crap that she just ended a life.

We are allowed to be disgusted if somebody beats the crap out of and kills dogs and has no remorse, but not if they terminate their unborn child??

You don't know how she feels. She had an agenda when she made this video. She may have cried herself to sleep that night: after the camera was turned off. But, this wouldn't further her cause.

 

[butcher boy]

So the problem is with the overt act of filming the process? We all know it happens every day, but when you throw the thing in our face (and act as if it's normal) then we are outraged?

Yes. Because it makes a very serious situation seem flippant. Would you approve of an executioner filming his job of injecting poison into someone and making it a light and happy occasion?

How should she feel? She was trying to portray the other end of the spectrum. I'm sure some women choose not to have an abortion due to the guilt. Even when an abortion is the right decision.

If a woman was to videotape her own suicide due to the guilt she felt, would the pro-life people say she got what she deserved?

You are really all over the place here....not sure what you are trying to say.

As far as her attitude, it's seems like people want her to feel a certain way (guilty, somber, etc).

How should she feel about terminating her unborn child??

I don't know. I'd settle for anything that's not the equivalent of returning a pair of jeans because you still need to lose a couple of pounds to fit in them...

And there's the problem. You want to tell her how to feel.

She can't tell you how to feel about abortion or her video. Why do you feel you can tell her? The only choice you have from there, is to not watch her video.

How about a little reverence for the life you are terminating?? Just a little. You have the right to do it because the state says you do, but how about a little acknowledgement of what you are actually doing?? The only requirement is not to film the thing, thereby making it a spectator sport. Otherwise, nobody knows that she doesn't give a crap that she just ended a life.

We are allowed to be disgusted if somebody beats the crap out of and kills dogs and has no remorse, but not if they terminate their unborn child??

 

[Kal El]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

 

[shader]

So the problem is with the overt act of filming the process? We all know it happens every day, but when you throw the thing in our face (and act as if it's normal) then we are outraged?

Yes. Because it makes a very serious situation seem flippant. Would you approve of an executioner filming his job of injecting poison into someone and making it a light and happy occasion?

How should she feel? She was trying to portray the other end of the spectrum. I'm sure some women choose not to have an abortion due to the guilt. Even when an abortion is the right decision.

If a woman was to videotape her own suicide due to the guilt she felt, would the pro-life people say she got what she deserved?

You are really all over the place here....not sure what you are trying to say.

As far as her attitude, it's seems like people want her to feel a certain way (guilty, somber, etc).

How should she feel about terminating her unborn child??

I don't know. I'd settle for anything that's not the equivalent of returning a pair of jeans because you still need to lose a couple of pounds to fit in them...

And there's the problem. You want to tell her how to feel.

She can't tell you how to feel about abortion or her video. Why do you feel you can tell her? The only choice you have from there, is to not watch her video.

How about a little reverence for the life you are terminating?? Just a little. You have the right to do it because the state says you do, but how about a little acknowledgement of what you are actually doing?? The only requirement is not to film the thing, thereby making it a spectator sport. Otherwise, nobody knows that she doesn't give a crap that she just ended a life.

We are allowed to be disgusted if somebody beats the crap out of and kills dogs and has no remorse, but not if they terminate their unborn child??

It's difficult to have that reverence for the life, when you've talked yourself into believing that it isn't a life. A woman that has a 1 month old newborn doesn't have the "choice" to kill the baby because she realizes she can't take care of it and wants to focus on her career. But yet a woman that is 4 months pregnant can make that choice and destroy the life, and many people don't think any less of her, and even say it's her CHOICE.

Yet, in reality, the same thing is happening.

 

[shader]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

 

[TPW]

Do you think she'll take as much pride in showing a future daughter the video of how she liquidated her big brother or sister?

 

[KCitons]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

If you don't, then that's OK. We live in a country that allows a freedom of choice. I understand why some people would be upset with this video. Deadspin used to post a fight night ever week. (I think Tuesdays) I find those videos very disturbing. So, when Deadspin tweets a link, I don't click on the link.

 

[saintsfan]

Do you think she'll take as much pride in showing a future daughter the video of how she liquidated her big brother or sister?

Well, that's a horrifying thing I didn't even think of. Can you imagine explaining that to a child...

 

[Kal El]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

 

[matuski]

Shader bringing "scientific fact" into a discussion. This is gold.

 

[Freelove]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

When the flood of aesthetic support from those quarters arrives, I'll acknowledge the wisdom of her decision. I don't suspect it will arrive, however. Because I think most women struggling with those reservations will also find the video to be in incredibly poor taste, no matter what they eventually decide to do with their own bodies.

If you want to film that, and send it to women independently, I suppose more power to you, though I doubt it would help in achieving her stated goals. I have no problem with her having had an abortion if that's what she wanted, and I have no problem with her decision to help others. I have problems only with the tastelessness of her methods.

I favor ethical treatment of animals, but think it would be both tasteless and counterproductive for somebody who agreed with that stance to put together a grindcore slaughter video set to death metal as they prepped their lovingly-raised cattle for consumption, while saying stuff like, "Isn't life amazing? I raised little Baxter from a calf..."

 

[saintsfan]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

 

[butcher boy]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

Who's pro-abortion here?

 

[Kal El]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

Who's pro-abortion here?

I'm not accusing anyone here. That statement is based on what I've heard elsewhere.

 

[KCitons]

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

What if this isn't possible?

 

[Reegus]

Anyone else seen the tosh.o beats video. Hilarious

 

[butcher boy]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

Who's pro-abortion here?

I'm not accusing anyone here. That statement is based on what I've heard elsewhere.

I think you're confusing pro-abortion with pro-choice in your hyperbole. Pro-choice is very different from pro-abortion.

 

[Freelove]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

Who's pro-abortion here?

I'm not accusing anyone here. That statement is based on what I've heard elsewhere.

I move in pretty liberal circles. I don't think I've ever spoken to anyone who came across as pro-abortion. I'm against lots of things I'll defend a person's right to do. Just as I assert my right to be critical of them if I feel they've got it coming. Like this chick.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

Who's pro-abortion here?

I'm not accusing anyone here. That statement is based on what I've heard elsewhere.

I think you're confusing pro-abortion with pro-choice in your hyperbole. Pro-choice is very different from pro-abortion.

Give it a minute. The term will be switched to "Pro-murder" very soon. This is why these debates never get anywhere. Rather than focusing in on the common ground (of which there is a ton in this thread), people focus in on "winning" the argument and we get mired in what is disputed.

 

[Freelove]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

Who's pro-abortion here?

I'm not accusing anyone here. That statement is based on what I've heard elsewhere.

I think you're confusing pro-abortion with pro-choice in your hyperbole. Pro-choice is very different from pro-abortion.

Give it a minute. The term will be switched to "Pro-murder" very soon. This is why these debates never get anywhere. Rather than focusing in on the common ground (of which there is a ton in this thread), people focus in on "winning" the argument and we get mired in what is disputed.

Danged anti-choicers.

 

[Kal El]

I think it would be in poor taste (as well as obviously illegal) to film yourself taking a shovel to somebody. When the deed is entirely independent of the media, I reserve the right to take a voyeur's interest. I can't imagine how many times I've seen the Twin Towers come down, or the Tsunami crash into Thailand. Doesn't mean I'm pro-terror or pro-tsunami.

Hate to break it to you, but the video this woman made wasn't for you. (regardless of whether or not you agree with her) It was for other women that reservations about abortion.

I'm sure pro-lifers are going to be against anything that makes women more comfortable with the process of getting an abortion.

We feel that abortion ends a life. Why should people be comfortable with that idea?

It most assuredly does. This shouldn't be a matter of "opinion". It's a scientific fact.

But talk to pro-abortion folks, the baby is just a parasite, an inconvenience. I don't understand that mindset, and quite frankly, I don't think I want to. I'd much rather see children in loving homes.

Who's pro-abortion here?

I'm not accusing anyone here. That statement is based on what I've heard elsewhere.

I think you're confusing pro-abortion with pro-choice in your hyperbole. Pro-choice is very different from pro-abortion.

I'm making a difference between the two. I feel if the child's or mother's life is in danger if the child is brought to term, they should save the mother if possible. What I don't understand is the crowd who want abortions for more trivial reasons. I should have made that distinction.

 

[Zow]

I'm not surprised that this happened. There's zero respect for human life nowadays, and this is just another example. I do pity her, though. At

some point, she's going to realize that she just

murdered her own offspring, and that is a terrible burden to bear.

There's more respect for human life now than at pretty much any point in human history.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I'm not surprised that this happened. There's zero respect for human life nowadays, and this is just another example. I do pity her, though. At

some point, she's going to realize that she just

murdered her own offspring, and that is a terrible burden to bear.

There's more respect for human life now than at pretty much any point in human history.

As usual, Woz is right.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

 

[Kal El]

I'm not surprised that this happened. There's zero respect for human life nowadays, and this is just another example. I do pity her, though. At

some point, she's going to realize that she just

murdered her own offspring, and that is a terrible burden to bear.

There's more respect for human life now than at pretty much any point in human history.

That's a sad commentary in and of itself.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

And furthermore if the b***h didn't want to get pregnant she should have took precautions....

 

[KCitons]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1]

And furthermore if the b***h didn't want to get pregnant she should have took precautions....

She could have swallowed

 

[General Malaise]

An inarticulate liberal with no conception of irony makes a poor decision broadcasting her beliefs in the most tasteless way possible, leading to an avalanche of inarticulate conservatives with no conception of irony making poor decisions to broadcast their beliefs in the most tasteless way possible.

It's a golden era.

SUBSCRIBE!!!!

 

[KCitons]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

He can impregnate. Take some responsibility from the beginning.

 

[butcher boy]

I feel the ultimate decision belongs to the party that has to go through the equivalent of passing a golf ball through a #### hole.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

He can impregnate. Take some responsibility from the beginning.

You know you make assumptions (see your post #51) about this and that is ok............so my assumption is you don't know what happened at conception maybe the guy wanted a child and this woman reneged and now he is broke up because this woman killed his child.

 

[tommyboy]

The upside is that we know this chick will take a load in her

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I feel the ultimate decision belongs to the party that has to go through the equivalent of passing a golf ball through a #### hole.

Therefore she should ultimately take the necessary precautions.

 

[butcher boy]

I feel the ultimate decision belongs to the party that has to go through the equivalent of passing a golf ball through a #### hole.

Therefore she should ultimately take the necessary precautions.

Sure, except the same people who want to prevent her from having an abortion also want to prevent easy access to contraception.

 

[KCitons]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

He can impregnate. Take some responsibility from the beginning.

You know you make assumptions (see your post #51) about this and that is ok............so my assumption is you don't know what happened at conception maybe the guy wanted a child and this woman reneged and now he is broke up because this woman killed his child.

Sorry, your assumption must be the correct answer.

My comment towards taking responsibility at the time of sex was a general statement. The decision to have a child is not one to be made after conception.

 

[tommyboy]

I feel the ultimate decision belongs to the party that has to go through the equivalent of passing a golf ball through a #### hole.

Therefore she should ultimately take the necessary precautions.

Sure, except the same people who want to prevent her from having an abortion also want to prevent easy access to contraception.

Total bs

 

[General Malaise]

The upside is that we know this chick will take a load in her

The Oregon Duck basketball team would like to talk to her.

 

[Freelove]

I feel the ultimate decision belongs to the party that has to go through the equivalent of passing a golf ball through a #### hole.

Therefore she should ultimately take the necessary precautions.

Sure, except the same people who want to prevent her from having an abortion also want to prevent easy access to contraception.

Store Security!

 

[tommyboy]

The upside is that we know this chick will take a load in her

The Oregon Duck basketball team would like to talk to her.

Craig is available as a fourth

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

He can impregnate. Take some responsibility from the beginning.

You know you make assumptions (see your post #51) about this and that is ok............so my assumption is you don't know what happened at conception maybe the guy wanted a child and this woman reneged and now he is broke up because this woman killed his child.

Sorry, your assumption must be the correct answer.

My comment towards taking responsibility at the time of sex was a general statement. The decision to have a child is not one to be made after conception.

And yet that is exactly what she did......So if she knew she didn't want a child she should have made a better decision and took the necessary precautions to not get pregnant.

 

[KCitons]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

He can impregnate. Take some responsibility from the beginning.

You know you make assumptions (see your post #51) about this and that is ok............so my assumption is you don't know what happened at conception maybe the guy wanted a child and this woman reneged and now he is broke up because this woman killed his child.

Sorry, your assumption must be the correct answer.

My comment towards taking responsibility at the time of sex was a general statement. The decision to have a child is not one to be made after conception.

No s**t......So if she knew she didn't want a child she should have made a better decision and took the necessary precautions to not get pregnant.

Same goes for the guy.

Are we on the same page now?

 

[Kal El]

I feel the ultimate decision belongs to the party that has to go through the equivalent of passing a golf ball through a #### hole.

Therefore she should ultimately take the necessary precautions.

Sure, except the same people who want to prevent her from having an abortion also want to prevent easy access to contraception.

Total bs

I would much rather prevent unwanted pregnancies than hear about abortions. Those who want to limit access to contraceptives are foolish.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

He can impregnate. Take some responsibility from the beginning.

You know you make assumptions (see your post #51) about this and that is ok............so my assumption is you don't know what happened at conception maybe the guy wanted a child and this woman reneged and now he is broke up because this woman killed his child.

Sorry, your assumption must be the correct answer.

My comment towards taking responsibility at the time of sex was a general statement. The decision to have a child is not one to be made after conception.

No s**t......So if she knew she didn't want a child she should have made a better decision and took the necessary precautions to not get pregnant.

Same goes for the guy.

Are we on the same page now?

No I'm saying the guy may have wanted a child so why would he need to take the precaution.

 

[General Malaise]

I feel the ultimate decision belongs to the party that has to go through the equivalent of passing a golf ball through a #### hole.

Therefore she should ultimately take the necessary precautions.

Sure, except the same people who want to prevent her from having an abortion also want to prevent easy access to contraception.

Total bs

I would much rather prevent unwanted pregnancies than hear about abortions. Those who want to limit access to contraceptives are foolish.

Easy, killer....whole lotta Catholics in this world who might take exception to this.

 

[General Malaise]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

He can impregnate. Take some responsibility from the beginning.

You know you make assumptions (see your post #51) about this and that is ok............so my assumption is you don't know what happened at conception maybe the guy wanted a child and this woman reneged and now he is broke up because this woman killed his child.

Sorry, your assumption must be the correct answer.

My comment towards taking responsibility at the time of sex was a general statement. The decision to have a child is not one to be made after conception.

No s**t......So if she knew she didn't want a child she should have made a better decision and took the necessary precautions to not get pregnant.

Same goes for the guy.

Are we on the same page now?

No I'm saying the guy may have wanted a child so why would he need to take the precaution.

Maybe he should find a mate who wants to have his child and not force his seed into an unwilling womb?

 

[Freelove]

Didn't foresee this sliding down the slope to pro-rape conservatism this fast.

 

[General Malaise]

Didn't foresee this sliding down the slope to pro-rape conservatism this fast.

Wait until Timsochet shows up...

 

[KCitons]

I wonder what the father thought or if he even knows.....Oh that's right its a woman's choice and the other half of that life doesn't get a say.

suppose that father gave much thought about it when he was unzipping his pants?

See above. He can't get pregnant......maybe he was good with having a kid with her.

He can impregnate. Take some responsibility from the beginning.

You know you make assumptions (see your post #51) about this and that is ok............so my assumption is you don't know what happened at conception maybe the guy wanted a child and this woman reneged and now he is broke up because this woman killed his child.

Sorry, your assumption must be the correct answer.

My comment towards taking responsibility at the time of sex was a general statement. The decision to have a child is not one to be made after conception.

No s**t......So if she knew she didn't want a child she should have made a better decision and took the necessary precautions to not get pregnant.

Same goes for the guy.

Are we on the same page now?

No I'm saying the guy may have wanted a child so why would he need to take the precaution.

It takes two people to conceive a child. But only one to prevent it.

If you're saying that she changed her mind after they agreed and conceived, then I can get behind it being a ruthless thing to do.

With that said, I don't see people in a loving, healthy relationship doing this to each other. I believe a majority of abortions being done by irresponsible people that probably don't know, or don't have any kind of a relationship with the father.