Harry Frogfish
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Where is this genius from anyway?
He certainly does. But the NFL has a right to conduct their business the way they see fit and they don't want to go through another season like last yearjbird said:My point being that Cole has every right to just say no.
Good point.80 900 7
And the conversation was generally civil.Good point.
This place is getting beyond silly.
If Cole Beasley becomes a top 10 fantasy WR, are people only allowed to discuss it this forum? Or will there be a Cole Beasley "football talk only" thread be started in the Shark Pool?
Politics can bleed in the discussion about any NFL player. Anyone who follows the news has probably heard about Beasley and his anti-vax stance, and could have avoided this thread in the SP once they saw that this was what the discussion was about.
For some reason people want a thread about a current NFL player locked or moved because they are incapable of scrolling past it because it includes some non-football related discussion that they can't handle.
He's a good player to target in the later rounds if you invest an early pick in Gates. Which, of course, you should.
Tom Brady MAGA hatGood point.
This place is getting beyond silly.
If Cole Beasley becomes a top 10 fantasy WR, are people only allowed to discuss it this forum? Or will there be a Cole Beasley "football talk only" thread be started in the Shark Pool?
Politics can bleed in the discussion about any NFL player. Anyone who follows the news has probably heard about Beasley and his anti-vax stance, and could have avoided this thread in the SP once they saw that this was what the discussion was about.
For some reason people want a thread about a current NFL player locked or moved because they are incapable of scrolling past it because it includes some non-football related discussion that they can't handle.
In all fairness it's really..... Tom Brady ______ (insert anything) (and really that's how it should be lol)Tom Brady MAGA hat
This is the other side of the coin to Beasley's silly logic. I will never understand this argument.why we gotta infringe on a mans right to pass a deadly disease to other people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK-b1CtIATw&t=25sYou spelled scientism wrong. Science means you are allowed to question it.
Plandemic?I am 100% behind Cole.. I mean the plandemic is over, right?
Beasley’s personal health is only one consideration. There may be people on the team or in the organization who can’t take the vaccination due to medical reasons. Allowing Beasley to ignore all the protocols puts those people at risk as well. Also, you need to take into consideration that if Beasley practices and plays with the team without any precautions being taken, the chances of him getting Covid under circumstances that end up derailing an NFL game increases. And that is a situation that can cost the team/league millions.This is the other side of the coin to Beasley's silly logic. I will never understand this argument.
It is now your choice if you want to be susceptible to the disease. The burden is no longer on other people to protect you.
Makes about as much sense as Beasley's whatabout god logic.
Are those people allowed into the work place to put others (and themselves) at risk?There may be people on the team or in the organization who can’t take the vaccination due to medical reasons.
Sure. So long as they follow safety protocols. I was responding to the suggestion that Beasley should be able to participate without the onerous safety protocols since it’s his choice to put himself at risk.Are those people allowed into the work place to put others (and themselves) at risk?
Seems like a situation that could cost the team/league millions.
Are we aware of any medical reasons to not take the vaccine? It seems in general those with health issues are the ones that need to get vaccinated.Sure. So long as they follow safety protocols. I was responding to the suggestion that Beasley should be able to participate without the onerous safety protocols since it’s his choice to put himself at risk.
Not being fully FDA approved for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate for my age is enough for me.Are we aware of any medical reasons to not take the vaccine?
He was implying medical reasons preventing someone from taking it, like a contraindication.Not being fully FDA approved for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate for my age is enough for me.
Also of you already have the antibodies, there is no proof taking the vaccine adds additional protection.
Will you be vaccinated when they’re FDA approved? The mRNA vaccines makers have applied, and have the required 6 months of safety data. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pfizer and Moderna are approved by mid to late Summer.Not being fully FDA approved for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate for my age is enough for me.
Also of you already have the antibodies, there is no proof taking the vaccine adds additional protection.
I'll make that decision when the time comes. No reason to rush at the moment.Will you be vaccinated when they’re FDA approved? The mRNA vaccines makers have applied, and have the required 6 months of safety data. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pfizer and Moderna are approved by mid to late Summer.
Do you base other vaccination decisions on survival rates? FTR, most vaccine preventable illnesses have low case fatality rates in young, otherwise healthy people.
How does one know if they have SARS-CoV-2 antibodies? Antibody testing isn’t routinely performed for any indication outside of research settings. And there’s definitely data that the mRNA vaccines lead to more brisk antibody response than natural immunity.
https://yalehealth.yale.edu/yale-covid-19-vaccine-program/who-should-and-shouldnt-get-covid-19-vaccineAre we aware of any medical reasons to not take the vaccine? It seems in general those with health issues are the ones that need to get vaccinated.
The more at risk putting the onus on a young healthy guy with nothing to fear from covid seems backwards.
Assuming FDA approval, what factors will convince you to vaccinate? What will deter you?I'll make that decision when the time comes. No reason to rush at the moment.
I've been stuck with more needles than anyone in here due to my military deployments. This one isnt mandatory for me, so I'll wait.
If you had covid 19, you most likely have the antibodies now.
Did he anaphylax (drop his blood pressure, have face/mouth swelling, shortness of breath +/- hives)?https://yalehealth.yale.edu/yale-covid-19-vaccine-program/who-should-and-shouldnt-get-covid-19-vaccine
For example, my nephew had an allergic reaction to the first shot and was advised by his physician not to get the second dose. So he’s not fully vaccinated (I think he might have 30% protection).
You obviously stated this well. But I don’t understand why your point isn’t just obvious to everybody.Beasley’s personal health is only one consideration. There may be people on the team or in the organization who can’t take the vaccination due to medical reasons. Allowing Beasley to ignore all the protocols puts those people at risk as well. Also, you need to take into consideration that if Beasley practices and plays with the team without any precautions being taken, the chances of him getting Covid under circumstances that end up derailing an NFL game increases. And that is a situation that can cost the team/league millions.
Do you intend to get tested to see if you have developed the antibodies?Not being fully FDA approved for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate for my age is enough for me.
Also of you already have the antibodies, there is no proof taking the vaccine adds additional protection.
Everybody needs to be vaccinated.It seems in general those with health issues are the ones that need to get vaccinated.
It has to be safe and effective with some clear understanding of what the future requirements and effectiveness vs variants are.Assuming FDA approval, what factors will convince you to vaccinate? What will deter you?
Not everyone infected with covid develops antibodies. This study showed up to 8.5% of infected people fail to seroconvert. One of the arguments to vaccinate those with prior infection rests on more consistent, higher neutralizing antibody titers seen in vaccinated people than those with natural immunity.
Definitely before I get the shot. It sounds like the most severe reactions to the vaccine have been in people who previously had covid.Do you intend to get tested to see if you have developed the antibodies?
It was about putting the onus on us all for being transmission risks, until the supply outran demand - now we all have the choice to get vaccinated and protect ourselves. The non vaccinated cant transmit it to those who protected themselves.https://yalehealth.yale.edu/yale-covid-19-vaccine-program/who-should-and-shouldnt-get-covid-19-vaccine
For example, my nephew had an allergic reaction to the first shot and was advised by his physician not to get the second dose. So he’s not fully vaccinated (I think he might have 30% protection).
Also, it’s about putting the onus on someone who presents a transmission risk. That applies both to people who can’t take the vaccine and people who won’t take the vaccine.
I believe the first shot effectiveness is more along the lines of 82%+.During December 14–23, 2020, monitoring by the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System detected 21 cases of anaphylaxis after administration of a reported 1,893,360 first doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (11.1 cases per million doses)
Well we know it is both safe and effective already, and I have no reason to believe the FDA’s approval process will change that understanding.It has to be safe and effective with some clear understanding of what the future requirements and effectiveness vs variants are.
I had my 2nd Moderna shot a week ago and I looked it before I went in and the effectiveness was about 92% after the first and about 94% after the second,I believe the first shot effectiveness is more along the lines of 82%+.
Right. This is why I am hesitant to get my kids their second shots, they almost certainly already had it, and the disease was never a threat to them in the first place.I had my 2nd Moderna shot a week ago and I looked it before I went in and the effectiveness was about 92% after the first and about 94% after the second,
Right. And that’s really what this discussion is about right? 35% of the public refuse to be vaccinated, and resist the idea. Most of those of us in the 65% bracket are frustrated by this.I disagree.
I'm probably waiting until the FDA approved it and the military mandates it.Well we know it is both safe and effective already, and I have no reason to believe the FDA’s approval process will change that understanding.
We also know the mRNA vaccines work against the major variants of interest, though slightly less well against the delta version.
It’s impossible to predict if a vaccine refractory variant will emerge. And we don’t know exactly how long-lasting immunity is for existing variants.
Given those gaps in our knowledge, how long will you wait until enough time has passed to take the plunge?
I'm in the 65% bracket.Right. And that’s really what this discussion is about right? 35% of the public refuse to be vaccinated, and resist the idea. Most of those of us in the 65% bracket are frustrated by this.
Same.I'm in the 65% bracket.
I have no idea why this would frustrate me.
Asking for your opinion on what will happen as opposed to what should happen. From your experience is it likely that the military mandates it rather shortly after the formal approval? Is this article representative of your experience with those around you?I'm probably waiting until the FDA approved it and the military mandates it.
Per usual, you said it better than I ever could.Same.
I want Beasley to get vaccinated because I don't want him missing any games. Otherwise, he's a grown adult and I don't care how he chooses to live his life. His choice to get vaccinated or not has no affect on me whatsoever, so my approach is to do what any red-blooded American should do in a situation like this -- mind my own business.
Public health experts tell us this is not the case.His choice to get vaccinated or not has no affect on me whatsoever
I don’t know about blood pressure, but yes to the others.Did he anaphylax (drop his blood pressure, have face/mouth swelling, shortness of breath +/- hives)?
Anaphylaxis to the vaccine, or one of it’s components, is the only absolute contraindication.
I do think it will eventually be mandated for the military after FDA approval. I don't think it should, but the military has a history of doing that and I think this administration wants it.Asking for your opinion on what will happen as opposed to what should happen. From your experience is it likely that the military mandates it rather shortly after the formal approval? Is this article representative of your experience with those around you?
I've suspected that my employer would mandate the vaccine all along. But with screensavers saying that 80% or so of the employees have already been vaccinated I'm guessing that the requirement won't be immediate but part of 2022's requirements (assuming approved soon). Though this is just a guess, my reasoning is that waiting a few months makes the announcement "quieter" and largely serves the same function. Would something like this be something we might see with the military - a slight delay in an actual requirement but a requirement nonetheless?
Anybody you're still listening to who tells you this is mistaken. The vaccines work really well.Public health experts tell us this is not the case.