Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Agree on both counts. If they were to get a win, this could be the week.
Starting Mims on the off chance AJB has to sit.
Starting Mims on the off chance AJB has to sit.
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WR Denzel Mims, NYJ (1 Viewer)
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The Frankman
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/nyjetstfmedia/status/1402436124845527042?s=21Harrison Glaser @NYJetsTFMedia
Don't sleep on Keelan Cole
According to @Connor_J_Hughes the #Jets are very high on him & have been for years
Even when Mims returned he's been running w/ 2's & not as good a scheme fit as Cole who's the better route runner. @Djbienaime said this as well
#Jets
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh FFS. Mims. Plummeting stock. This is odd because I saw some film grinders on Twitter (Nate Tice and Matt Harmon) both go out of their way to have good things to say about Mims last year. If Cole is outplaying him, then so be it, but Tice linked to video and Harmon was making the rounds with Reception Perception and saying Mims could be in for a good year now that Gase is gone.
eta* WRs Davis, Moore, Crowder, Cole, and Mims. Suddently an area of total weakness looks more than competent. This all depends on whether Crowder takes a pay cut, but you have to like the (gasp!) depth of this crew, even if there is no true number one. (Which is probably what they hope Mims becomes, actually. Got the size and speed. This is his first preseason, really.)
eta* WRs Davis, Moore, Crowder, Cole, and Mims. Suddently an area of total weakness looks more than competent. This all depends on whether Crowder takes a pay cut, but you have to like the (gasp!) depth of this crew, even if there is no true number one. (Which is probably what they hope Mims becomes, actually. Got the size and speed. This is his first preseason, really.)
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https://twitter.com/nyjetstfmedia/status/1402348179299913733?s=21
Connor Hughes reply in the Twitter thread:
https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1402435165184528384?s=21
Kiddnets
Footballguy
good stuff - Im not so much down on Mims but high on the other Jet WRs.....Moore is drawing raves and could easily overtake Mims if Crowder stays.....Mims had a pretty lousy rookie year but showed enough glimpses to be optimistic....Id still take him but keep an eye in training camp....Id feel a lot higher on him if Crowder is cut which he may be.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, that's about where I stand. I think the Jets have other quality options, and I didn't even list Berrios. I still can't see the Jets bringing back Crowder without a pay cut when you've got two really good slot guys waiting in the wings. You kind of have to figure that the bigger guys will vie for outside receiver, though if Moore can run circles around guys at 5'9", then who knows? I'd doubt that, though. Seems like we'll be running a lot of 11 personnel, with Moore, Mims/Cole, and Davis as the three "starters."
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think that Mims has a very different skill set than Crowder or Moore do. So playing time for Crowder or Moore may not be an impediment to Mims playing as well.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think we need Zyphros to come in here and edit that thread title so that it has four periods (one more after the S) or so it looks like this:
J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!
J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!
Snorkelson
Footballguy
If you’re inclined to acquire mims, now would be the time to do it. Hard to push chips into the jets passing game and the community in general doesn’t seem to be a believer in Wilson, but what do we know.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
This is already feeling like another dead season for Mims in dynasty. I wish guys like this would just get traded young when they're not a fit for the new incoming system that has no allegiances to the player and didn't draft them. Instead he'll be buried on the depth chart for a few seasons and the much needed change of scenery will happen when his confidence is completely shot.
Was planning to protect on a 25-man dynasty where I can only keep 19. However, protecting a higher end DST or K is starting to look like a better option.
Was planning to protect on a 25-man dynasty where I can only keep 19. However, protecting a higher end DST or K is starting to look like a better option.
rockaction
Footballguy
From the NY Daily News:
Mims will have to earn his spot.
I spoke to a scout who knows the Niners offense extremely well and asked if Mims’ skill set is a good fit for the offense.
“Traditionally, no. Traditionally the West Coast offense is made for guys that are good short, intermediate route runners,” the scout said. “Typically, he wouldn’t be that, but they’ve evolved their offense. So now they have very distinct qualities they look for the X and the Z. So, Denzel Mims will be fine for an X because he can run, and he can stretch the field vertically to make some of those contested cases down the field. He’s just not a great route runner. So, he wouldn’t be a Z, but he’ll be good for an X.”
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-denzel-mims-route-running-lineup-20210625-khepkt7atnfy3lw5z6e2ix22ie-story.html
Oooof.
Mims will have to earn his spot.
I spoke to a scout who knows the Niners offense extremely well and asked if Mims’ skill set is a good fit for the offense.
“Traditionally, no. Traditionally the West Coast offense is made for guys that are good short, intermediate route runners,” the scout said. “Typically, he wouldn’t be that, but they’ve evolved their offense. So now they have very distinct qualities they look for the X and the Z. So, Denzel Mims will be fine for an X because he can run, and he can stretch the field vertically to make some of those contested cases down the field. He’s just not a great route runner. So, he wouldn’t be a Z, but he’ll be good for an X.”
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-denzel-mims-route-running-lineup-20210625-khepkt7atnfy3lw5z6e2ix22ie-story.html
Oooof.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That all sounds....not great.
My takeaways:
1. he doesn’t fit the offense they want to run.
2. They see him as a field stretcher, straight line deep threat. Not too many of those types have great FF impact, especially in PPR leagues.
3. It’s still preseason by quite a bit. This could all be motivational-type coachspeak.
if preseason usage bears this out, oof indeed.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Yea, this would be a tough one to swallow given the massive amount of successful WR's that came out of the 2020 draft where we had tons of capital, just as much need and only came away with Mims. One of the few draft blunders for JD so far, but still certainly remains to be seen.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, so far the WR misses appear to be Mims & Ruggs. Time will tell if that’s accurate. It used to be WRs took a couple years to adjust to the NFL, but that’s been less true in recent years. that said there still may be a % that take longer to develop. Certainly possible that both of these dudes develop, but the teams have to stick with them & give them opportunity to develop for that to happen.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They liked him so much they signed Corey Davis, drafted Elijah Moore, and haven't cut Jamison Crowder. 
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And signed Keelan Cole, who’s reportedly getting more love than Mims too. Yikes.They liked him so much they signed Corey Davis, drafted Elijah Moore, and haven't cut Jamison Crowder.
sheerterror
Footballguy
As was likely already mentioned earlier, this is certainly speaking to the depth of the WR corp versus where it has been in previous years starting guys like Hogan, Berrios and Fariq. There's some actual NFL talent at that position now, and possibly even more important - a bunch of competition. I think we're all certainly still hoping Mims can maybe end up filling the "Davis" role over the long term if he can in fact develop?
lardonastick
Footballguy
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
As long as he's out there on the 2nd team with Elijah Moore, I'm not necessarily too concerned. He missed a lot of time. If he's going to be to K. Cole what E. Moore is to Crowder, that's not a bad place to be. That said, this is looking like a pure stash that isn't going to bring any production to the table early in fantasy. Any optimism I have for this season is pretty much down to him making some noise in the back half.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
LOL - almost responded before catching the 3rd string news. Yeah, that's not good.
I'm holding as a dynasty stash. Someone's 2nd round pick that was dropped mid-season, so I'm just in to him to the tune of a roster spot. Flashed a little bit last year. Enough to show that the upside is there, but I think the fit on this new Jets offense might be a really bad match. Credit Waldman for calling how terribly this would go back at the draft, and he has been a Mims fan. At one point, I was looking at having to decide between keeping 2 of Mims / Hardman / Bry Edwards and had Mims on top. No longer have to make that decision, but I think he would be my drop if I still had to make a call on that. Won't write him off for this season until Cole is a cog in a successful offense where Mims is firmly buried.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
That’s crazy that someone dropped him but it sounds like your roster size is maybe on the smaller side.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Keelan Cole is a solid player and maybe that’s all they want with Davis and Moore/Crowder seeing most of the targets, but I liked the flashes I saw from Mims last season in a bad situation. I wouldn’t give up yet but this is disappointing of course. I don’t have Mims on any of my teams, just looking as a Jets fan.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
He has a skill set that I don't mind stashing for another season. I think he offers something as an outside receiver that the Jets should be making use of, even if it's drips and drabs early. I suspect that the third string news is a combination of route running, a new offense, and a lot of missed time in a COVID rookie season. Hopefully he reacts well to it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Went from running with the 2s to running with the 3s.
Definitely not a good development. With the 2s I can buy the “motivation” argument.
With the 3s I’m moving Cole up my draft board
Birdie048
Footballguy
Not the news I expected to hear after I traded for him..... Granted, I still hold hope for him & E Moore
Gave 4.01 & got Mims & 4.03
Granted it was a small move ... but more significant than the #'s lead.
Rookie Draft Round 1-3 were in May. Rounds 4-5 start Aug 15. Camp darlings & injury backups who shine are valuable at the 4.01 pick. but I am holding out hope.... Mims missed alot of time for personal reasons.... he could still be worthy.
rockaction
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Lions jersey, personally. They need tons of help. Be interesting to see and probably a good thing for those that roster him in dynasty.
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zamboni
Footballguy
Man, things move fast. Mims showed some promise last year and looked like he might become the focal point of the Jets passing game. But Saleh comes in and pivots by signing Davis (admittedly probably too much) and, if early signs are true, got a real find with Elijah.
Mims definitely has some talent and I agree could flourish somewhere else with a new start.
rockaction
Footballguy
It's why I'm not so positive about the dynasty format. A lot of it isn't sussing out talent, a lot of it is luck and situation. It takes years to build a team, and then the team build is at the whim of a coach or GM that isn't invested in a player, even a good one that has played well when given the chance, as the scouts say Mims has. Then again, if he was that good...
Oh well. Hope he catches on somewhere instead of being buried on a depth chart as a third-stringer. One can only hope.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't think running with the third team now means that carries over into October. I'm not saying it doesn't either necessarily - but the point is Mims has it in his control to earn more playing time.
