WR Jayden Reed, GB (5 Viewers)

[pinkstapler]

Adam Schefter
Packers GM Brian Guteksunst met last week with Jayden Reed’s agent Drew Rosenahus to clarify the wide receiver’s status in Green Bay after the team drafted Matthew Golden and Savion Williams. The team said it will not affect Reed’s status as its top receiver, per source.

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1922056650757693522?s=61

Hopefully Rosenhaus is planting the seed that either his snap count goes up by a significant amount or he'll apply pressure to force a trade. His utilization vs his efficiency is a head scratcher to say the least. I hope Reed himself stays quiet and remains a good teammate; not much he can do but show up and put in 110%, and he does need to improve on those drops that started showing up last season. But the agents job is to rep his client's best interests, and a 60% snap share for the WR who by the numbers has been the best on the team the past two season is not in his best interest IMO. Especially when that team just invested in two more mouths to feed.

Reed came into the NFL at age 23, so just wasting away till his rookie contract is over is more impactful for him than it would have been if he was 21. I think there are a handful of teams where he'd step in and immediately get about a 20%+ boost to his snaps, let alone targets/opportunities. It's funny in 2023 I kept coming back to comp him as a Steff Diggs-lite, and he's basically going through an even worse version of what Diggs had in Minnesota. I wouldn't be betting a large sum of money that Reed would vault to WR1 status as soon as he gets to a new team like Diggs did, but I do think he can handle and produce very well with being on the field more than 60% of the time and with more than 80 targets a season.

 

[JohnnyU]

Adam Schefter
Packers GM Brian Guteksunst met last week with Jayden Reed’s agent Drew Rosenahus to clarify the wide receiver’s status in Green Bay after the team drafted Matthew Golden and Savion Williams. The team said it will not affect Reed’s status as its top receiver, per source.

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1922056650757693522?s=61

Hopefully Rosenhaus is planting the seed that either his snap count goes up by a significant amount or he'll apply pressure to force a trade. His utilization vs his efficiency is a head scratcher to say the least. I hope Reed himself stays quiet and remains a good teammate; not much he can do but show up and put in 110%, and he does need to improve on those drops that started showing up last season. But the agents job is to rep his client's best interests, and a 60% snap share for the WR who by the numbers has been the best on the team the past two season is not in his best interest IMO. Especially when that team just invested in two more mouths to feed.

Reed came into the NFL at age 23, so just wasting away till his rookie contract is over is more impactful for him than it would have been if he was 21. I think there are a handful of teams where he'd step in and immediately get about a 20%+ boost to his snaps, let alone targets/opportunities. It's funny in 2023 I kept coming back to comp him as a Steff Diggs-lite, and he's basically going through an even worse version of what Diggs had in Minnesota. I wouldn't be betting a large sum of money that Reed would vault to WR1 status as soon as he gets to a new team like Diggs did, but I do think he can handle and produce very well with being on the field more than 60% of the time and with more than 80 targets a season.

Do the 10 drops in 2024 (3rd most in the NFL) worry you?

 

[pinkstapler]

Adam Schefter
Packers GM Brian Guteksunst met last week with Jayden Reed’s agent Drew Rosenahus to clarify the wide receiver’s status in Green Bay after the team drafted Matthew Golden and Savion Williams. The team said it will not affect Reed’s status as its top receiver, per source.

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1922056650757693522?s=61

Hopefully Rosenhaus is planting the seed that either his snap count goes up by a significant amount or he'll apply pressure to force a trade. His utilization vs his efficiency is a head scratcher to say the least. I hope Reed himself stays quiet and remains a good teammate; not much he can do but show up and put in 110%, and he does need to improve on those drops that started showing up last season. But the agents job is to rep his client's best interests, and a 60% snap share for the WR who by the numbers has been the best on the team the past two season is not in his best interest IMO. Especially when that team just invested in two more mouths to feed.

Reed came into the NFL at age 23, so just wasting away till his rookie contract is over is more impactful for him than it would have been if he was 21. I think there are a handful of teams where he'd step in and immediately get about a 20%+ boost to his snaps, let alone targets/opportunities. It's funny in 2023 I kept coming back to comp him as a Steff Diggs-lite, and he's basically going through an even worse version of what Diggs had in Minnesota. I wouldn't be betting a large sum of money that Reed would vault to WR1 status as soon as he gets to a new team like Diggs did, but I do think he can handle and produce very well with being on the field more than 60% of the time and with more than 80 targets a season.

Do the 10 drops in 2024 (3rd most in the NFL) worry you?

"not much he can do but show up and put in 110%, and he does need to improve on those drops that started showing up last season."

That sentence is about as much as they worry me. Drops aren't a very sticky stat, especially without a history. He only had 3 in 2023 on roughly the same amount of targets. And he had excellent hands in college (he got work on ST as a return man, and also was 65%+ in contested catch rate). It's something he needs to emphasize in the offseason and shake off, but it's very low on the list for me.

Really when looking at Reed and drops what really stuck with me was taking a step back we see the other two GB WRs with the highest target rates, Wicks and Doubs, were also ranked 6th and 9th in most drops in the NFL (with 9 and 8 each respectively). I'm not going back to watch every single one, nor do I think I'd have some magical ability to diagnose each drop as being a QB issue vs a WR issue. But I do think it's worth noting there is some issue there that might be beyond a Reed one. From the QB perspective, Love ranked 5th in the NFL for drops on his balls despite having 20-35% fewer attempted passes than those ranked ahead of him. But that could be a dozen things apart from Love as well; scheme, routes, coaching, etc.

Reed's history plus some of what I found looking at the Packers offense as a whole; I feel comfortable saying last years drops were an aberration more than a cause for concern. If he's leading the league again at the end of this year, especially on low target numbers, that's when I'd worry as it's becoming an actual trend. But I'd also probably sneak a peak to see if the rest of the WR room was also at the top of that list again too haha.

 

[menobrown]

Reed played only 721 snaps out of 1,151 offensive plays for GB in 2024, just 62.6%. By comparison, a relatively average random starting WR like Darnell Mooney had 988 out of 1143 for Atlanta, or 86.4% of offensive snaps. I don't see the situation improving much when they added Matthew Golden and Savion Williams, using 1st and 3rd-round draft capital, even given Watson's injury (555 snaps).

Agree I don't see it improving, but guess good news is it probably won't get worse.

My thinking is: Doubs plays the most snaps as the sacrificial X. Golden and Wicks rotate with one of them playing with Doubs in 2 WR packages. Reed only plays in WR packages with 3 or more WR's. Savion Williams is more like a weapon/rotational guy to start. Then Watson probably returns somehwere around weeks 8-12, works in slowly and if/when he's up to speed it gets super confusing though Reed I believe would not be impacted, would remain a staple of 3+WR packages.

Injuries like Doubs concussions or trade is what it would take to alter this but even then not seeing any signs, for reasons I can't figure out, that Reed can play in more 2 WR package because when he does play he's not a slot only.

 

[menobrown]

Hopefully Rosenhaus is planting the seed that either his snap count goes up by a significant amount or he'll apply pressure to force a trade.

This was my thinking. The oddity of the report just makes people think period. Why someone, Rosenhaus probably, felt the need to put that story out with GB apparently saying he's their top WR when his playing time is in the 60% range is all kinds of odd.

Seems like a lot of unhappiness with the GB receivers. Doubs blew up last year, Wicks was not real thrilled with Jacobs saying they needed a #1. I've seen some videos of them all working out together this off-season and I'm sure individually they all get along and like each other but I think the rotation is frustrating every single one of them and in Doubs case playing a ton of snaps but low usage. And all GB did was throw more into the mix and keep talking all off-season how they need to get Kraft more involved and it seems like it's making the situation worse.

Do think we might see someone moved.

 

[pinkstapler]

Hopefully Rosenhaus is planting the seed that either his snap count goes up by a significant amount or he'll apply pressure to force a trade.

This was my thinking. The oddity of the report just makes people think period. Why someone, Rosenhaus probably, felt the need to put that story out with GB apparently saying he's their top WR when his playing time is in the 60% range is all kinds of odd.

Seems like a lot of unhappiness with the GB receivers. Doubs blew up last year, Wicks was not real thrilled with Jacobs saying they needed a #1. I've seen some videos of them all working out together this off-season and I'm sure individually they all get along and like each other but I think the rotation is frustrating every single one of them and in Doubs case playing a ton of snaps but low usage. And all GB did was throw more into the mix and keep talking all off-season how they need to get Kraft more involved and it seems like it's making the situation worse.

Do think we might see someone moved.

Haha reading my mind. Saw Faust posted this in the Golden thread and had a hard time not connecting the two.

Jason B. Hirschhorn
Nobody knows what rookies will be so soon after the draft, so take the following with a grain of salt.

@AlbertBreer wrote that the Packers feel Matthew Golden's "overall athleticism has already shown up" and they could make a veteran WR available "based on Golden's development."

https://x.com/by_jbh/status/1921952360160538897?s=61

Can only hope it's Reed. But realistically have to question who would other teams value the most, and that might be Watson?

 

[menobrown]

Can only hope it's Reed. But realistically have to question who would other teams value the most, and that might be Watson?

After the Pickens trade Breer floated idea of Steelers being interested in Doubs, said Rodgers liked him the one year they were together, and that same day a Jets beat writer was discussing Jets possible interest in Doubs. He was also one of the very few healthy GB vets who did not show for their voluntary OTA's. He would seem most likely the guy moved but.....

Hard part for GB to extract value, tough spot really because Doubs ended the season with 2 concussions, including one wearing the Guardian Cap. Watson seems really hard to trade because of his injury and contract, not sure how he could acclimate when he'd not even be able to practice until second half of the season and then his contract runs out.

My guess is what I believe you suggested, that Rosenhaus is pushing for Reed's usage to increase or to get moved because he's 25 already and needs more chances to show what he can do. I think GB would rather someone gave them something tangible for Doubs.

 

[Ray_T]

Can only hope it's Reed. But realistically have to question who would other teams value the most, and that might be Watson?

After the Pickens trade Breer floated idea of Steelers being interested in Doubs, said Rodgers liked him the one year they were together, and that same day a Jets beat writer was discussing Jets possible interest in Doubs. He was also one of the very few healthy GB vets who did not show for their voluntary OTA's. He would seem most likely the guy moved but.....

Hard part for GB to extract value, tough spot really because Doubs ended the season with 2 concussions, including one wearing the Guardian Cap. Watson seems really hard to trade because of his injury and contract, not sure how he could acclimate when he'd not even be able to practice until second half of the season and then his contract runs out.

My guess is what I believe you suggested, that Rosenhaus is pushing for Reed's usage to increase or to get moved because he's 25 already and needs more chances to show what he can do. I think GB would rather someone gave them something tangible for Doubs.

well, the fact that they have drafted Golden suggests that the team is wanting to move on from one of the veterans.

Doubs and his 2 concussions might be a good candidate. Multiple concussions can sometimes be bad news for a players longevity. Christian Watson coming back from an ACL injury is also a possibility. That said, I dont see a move like this happening right away. First they likely want to see what they actually have in Golden before they part with anyone.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season. Anyone who listens to MLF and watches the Packers knows this receiver group is a nightmare for fantasy players and certainly will be again this season. Wait, you're telling me an NFL GM met with an agent in the off-season to discuss the player's role? Holy ####! Stop the press!! One of their top WR's tore his ACL and will miss much or most of the season so they brought in another one? OMG this spells trouble in Titletown!! Whatever you liked about Reed last year, you'll most likely see again next season, but he's not going to be a traditional #1 WR on this team unless something goes terribly wrong with the game plan.

 

[Jppaul]

The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season.

except that if one or more regularly poop the bed or put up consistently great performances, then it won't be WRBC.

 

[SHH]

Starting to think he's brittle. The talent is clearly there but he is not a ironman and he's definitely not consistent. One week he'll look like the second coming of Antonio Brown and then the next week he only plays 55% of the team's snaps.

 

[KellysHeroes]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season. Anyone who listens to MLF and watches the Packers knows this receiver group is a nightmare for fantasy players and certainly will be again this season. Wait, you're telling me an NFL GM met with an agent in the off-season to discuss the player's role? Holy ####! Stop the press!! One of their top WR's tore his ACL and will miss much or most of the season so they brought in another one? OMG this spells trouble in Titletown!! Whatever you liked about Reed last year, you'll most likely see again next season, but he's not going to be a traditional #1 WR on this team unless something goes terribly wrong with the game plan.

I'm sorry, but this is dumb. Jordy Nelson was a WR1? Adams wasn't a WR1? This "we're not interested in making 1 of our WRs a WR1" thing is just an excuse to say they don't have the talent there right now because a) they haven't draft it and coached it properly and b) they think they can be a new school and not pay someone #1 money. But trust me, if anyone in they pack begins to far excel over the other... no coaching staff is going to hinder themselves and not play that person a ton of snaps.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season. Anyone who listens to MLF and watches the Packers knows this receiver group is a nightmare for fantasy players and certainly will be again this season. Wait, you're telling me an NFL GM met with an agent in the off-season to discuss the player's role? Holy ####! Stop the press!! One of their top WR's tore his ACL and will miss much or most of the season so they brought in another one? OMG this spells trouble in Titletown!! Whatever you liked about Reed last year, you'll most likely see again next season, but he's not going to be a traditional #1 WR on this team unless something goes terribly wrong with the game plan.

I'm sorry, but this is dumb. Jordy Nelson was a WR1? Adams wasn't a WR1? This "we're not interested in making 1 of our WRs a WR1" thing is just an excuse to say they don't have the talent there right now because a) they haven't draft it and coached it properly and b) they think they can be a new school and not pay someone #1 money. But trust me, if anyone in they pack begins to far excel over the other... no coaching staff is going to hinder themselves and not play that person a ton of snaps.

What relevance are Nelson and Adams to this? Different teams with different coaches, players and quarterbacks from a bygone era in Green Bay. Of course if the team changes this can also change. Here’s what Matt LaFleur said last year: "I want to vomit every time I hear 'No. 1 receiver,' to be honest with you," LaFleur said Monday. "It drives me crazy. That's something that you guys talk about. I feel like we've got a bunch of 'em." Declaring someone a #1 WR is purely a fantasy football concept.

Good luck predicting who the Packers #1 WR will be week to week this season.

 

[Ray_T]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season.

teams who say that do so because they dont have a #1 WR or because nobody has won the job yet. I assure you if someone steps up and is substantially better than the rest, he will become the #1

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season. Anyone who listens to MLF and watches the Packers knows this receiver group is a nightmare for fantasy players and certainly will be again this season. Wait, you're telling me an NFL GM met with an agent in the off-season to discuss the player's role? Holy ####! Stop the press!! One of their top WR's tore his ACL and will miss much or most of the season so they brought in another one? OMG this spells trouble in Titletown!! Whatever you liked about Reed last year, you'll most likely see again next season, but he's not going to be a traditional #1 WR on this team unless something goes terribly wrong with the game plan.

And to expand on that, Reed is their Slot WR, and he's quickly become one of the better ones in the NFL
Packers like to run the ball with Jacobs a lot and this year they will get Marshawn Lloyd back in the mix
I think Doubs is on his way out with so many new faces at WR
I believe in Golden and feel like he can ascend quickly as one of the 2 outside threats, they invested in Golden and think pretty highly of him

I mentioned in the Golden thread, 4 different WR/TE had between 70-76 targets last season, that cannot continue IMO
Kraft could hit 100 this year and I see Golden hitting perhaps 80 as a rookie, maybe you disagree

I agree with you on Reed, pretty set as their Slot WR and he does very well there

 

[Ray_T]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season. Anyone who listens to MLF and watches the Packers knows this receiver group is a nightmare for fantasy players and certainly will be again this season. Wait, you're telling me an NFL GM met with an agent in the off-season to discuss the player's role? Holy ####! Stop the press!! One of their top WR's tore his ACL and will miss much or most of the season so they brought in another one? OMG this spells trouble in Titletown!! Whatever you liked about Reed last year, you'll most likely see again next season, but he's not going to be a traditional #1 WR on this team unless something goes terribly wrong with the game plan.

And to expand on that, Reed is their Slot WR, and he's quickly become one of the better ones in the NFL
Packers like to run the ball with Jacobs a lot and this year they will get Marshawn Lloyd back in the mix
I think Doubs is on his way out with so many new faces at WR
I believe in Golden and feel like he can ascend quickly as one of the 2 outside threats, they invested in Golden and think pretty highly of him

I mentioned in the Golden thread, 4 different WR/TE had between 70-76 targets last season, that cannot continue IMO
Kraft could hit 100 this year and I see Golden hitting perhaps 80 as a rookie, maybe you disagree

I agree with you on Reed, pretty set as their Slot WR and he does very well there

hey I thought Reed was generally moved around the formation. Slot one play, out wide next play etc.

thought it wouldnt surprise me if he played more out of the slot.

agreed. Golden (if hes all hes made out to be) will be a pure field stretching WR. he wont be playing out of the slot often (if at all)

 

[pinkstapler]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season. Anyone who listens to MLF and watches the Packers knows this receiver group is a nightmare for fantasy players and certainly will be again this season. Wait, you're telling me an NFL GM met with an agent in the off-season to discuss the player's role? Holy ####! Stop the press!! One of their top WR's tore his ACL and will miss much or most of the season so they brought in another one? OMG this spells trouble in Titletown!! Whatever you liked about Reed last year, you'll most likely see again next season, but he's not going to be a traditional #1 WR on this team unless something goes terribly wrong with the game plan.

And to expand on that, Reed is their Slot WR, and he's quickly become one of the better ones in the NFL
Packers like to run the ball with Jacobs a lot and this year they will get Marshawn Lloyd back in the mix
I think Doubs is on his way out with so many new faces at WR
I believe in Golden and feel like he can ascend quickly as one of the 2 outside threats, they invested in Golden and think pretty highly of him

I mentioned in the Golden thread, 4 different WR/TE had between 70-76 targets last season, that cannot continue IMO
Kraft could hit 100 this year and I see Golden hitting perhaps 80 as a rookie, maybe you disagree

I agree with you on Reed, pretty set as their Slot WR and he does very well there

hey I thought Reed was generally moved around the formation. Slot one play, out wide next play etc.

thought it wouldnt surprise me if he played more out of the slot.

agreed. Golden (if hes all hes made out to be) will be a pure field stretching WR. he wont be playing out of the slot often (if at all)

In college he was and he was successful regardless of where he lines up. Obv. the NFL is a different beast; but if given the opportunity there's nothing he's put on tape at the next level to say he couldn't also play outside and succeed there. I think he should be the Z receiver for GB, and then shift to slot when they run 11 personnel.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Packers passing game coordinator Jason Vrable said Jayden Reed is up to 199 pounds (from 185 when he got here as a rookie) and has been one of the leaders of the WR group in the offseason.Vrable pointed out that Reed has been “helping Matthew Golden with every single play.”

https://x.com/RobDemovsky/status/1922712522043338896

Added 14 pounds? That seems it's like part of a plan of some sort.

 

[menobrown]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season. Anyone who listens to MLF and watches the Packers knows this receiver group is a nightmare for fantasy players and certainly will be again this season. Wait, you're telling me an NFL GM met with an agent in the off-season to discuss the player's role? Holy ####! Stop the press!! One of their top WR's tore his ACL and will miss much or most of the season so they brought in another one? OMG this spells trouble in Titletown!! Whatever you liked about Reed last year, you'll most likely see again next season, but he's not going to be a traditional #1 WR on this team unless something goes terribly wrong with the game plan.

And to expand on that, Reed is their Slot WR, and he's quickly become one of the better ones in the NFL
Packers like to run the ball with Jacobs a lot and this year they will get Marshawn Lloyd back in the mix
I think Doubs is on his way out with so many new faces at WR
I believe in Golden and feel like he can ascend quickly as one of the 2 outside threats, they invested in Golden and think pretty highly of him

I mentioned in the Golden thread, 4 different WR/TE had between 70-76 targets last season, that cannot continue IMO
Kraft could hit 100 this year and I see Golden hitting perhaps 80 as a rookie, maybe you disagree

I agree with you on Reed, pretty set as their Slot WR and he does very well there

hey I thought Reed was generally moved around the formation. Slot one play, out wide next play etc.

thought it wouldnt surprise me if he played more out of the slot.

agreed. Golden (if hes all hes made out to be) will be a pure field stretching WR. he wont be playing out of the slot often (if at all)

In college he was and he was successful regardless of where he lines up. Obv. the NFL is a different beast; but if given the opportunity there's nothing he's put on tape at the next level to say he couldn't also play outside and succeed there. I think he should be the Z receiver for GB, and then shift to slot when they run 11 personnel.

Other sites might have different data and better breakdowns but for the cost of free I use PlayerProfiler for this info and they show that he lines up in the slot about 60% of his snaps. So he's primarily a slot guy, but 40% of the time he's not, so a little bit of a misnomer to say he's a slot only. It can get confusing because I typically view the slot as the third WR but what's more accurate to say about Reed is he's the third WR, pretty much never plays in 11 personnel or any other groupings that involve 2 WR's or less. I think super late last year when some injuries hit he was forced to a little for a game or two but it was super minimal and out of necessity.

I would be interested in seeing a breakdown of his performance in the the routes he's run not in the slot vs in it. LaFluer knows ball and must have his reasons for not thinking Reed is up to task of playing in 11 personnel. Just wonder what his reason(s) are and if he's right, to my eye I can't see why Reed could not do these things more.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

Packers passing game coordinator Jason Vrable said Jayden Reed is up to 199 pounds (from 185 when he got here as a rookie) and has been one of the leaders of the WR group in the offseason.Vrable pointed out that Reed has been “helping Matthew Golden with every single play.”

https://x.com/RobDemovsky/status/1922712522043338896

Added 14 pounds? That seems it's like part of a plan of some sort.

Team player. Since Reed only plays in 3 WR sets, he has plenty of down time (like 38% of the plays) to coach up Golden.

GB is one of those fantasy situations where you can cross off all their WRs from your draft list, saving time and energy. Let everyone else deal with WRs from the team whose coach stated in plain English that he doesn't believe in a WR1. I realize they are all pretty cheap to draft, but they are roster cloggers.

I doubt anyone will lose in the playoff semis or miss the playoffs, look back, and proclaim, " If I had just drafted GB WR _____ in round _____, I would have won this year."

 

[Ray_T]

This seems like another case where the fantasy world is out of touch with the real NFL world. The Packers consistently maintained they don't believe in having a #1 receiver and they proved that week after week last season. Anyone who listens to MLF and watches the Packers knows this receiver group is a nightmare for fantasy players and certainly will be again this season. Wait, you're telling me an NFL GM met with an agent in the off-season to discuss the player's role? Holy ####! Stop the press!! One of their top WR's tore his ACL and will miss much or most of the season so they brought in another one? OMG this spells trouble in Titletown!! Whatever you liked about Reed last year, you'll most likely see again next season, but he's not going to be a traditional #1 WR on this team unless something goes terribly wrong with the game plan.

And to expand on that, Reed is their Slot WR, and he's quickly become one of the better ones in the NFL
Packers like to run the ball with Jacobs a lot and this year they will get Marshawn Lloyd back in the mix
I think Doubs is on his way out with so many new faces at WR
I believe in Golden and feel like he can ascend quickly as one of the 2 outside threats, they invested in Golden and think pretty highly of him

I mentioned in the Golden thread, 4 different WR/TE had between 70-76 targets last season, that cannot continue IMO
Kraft could hit 100 this year and I see Golden hitting perhaps 80 as a rookie, maybe you disagree

I agree with you on Reed, pretty set as their Slot WR and he does very well there

hey I thought Reed was generally moved around the formation. Slot one play, out wide next play etc.

thought it wouldnt surprise me if he played more out of the slot.

agreed. Golden (if hes all hes made out to be) will be a pure field stretching WR. he wont be playing out of the slot often (if at all)

In college he was and he was successful regardless of where he lines up. Obv. the NFL is a different beast; but if given the opportunity there's nothing he's put on tape at the next level to say he couldn't also play outside and succeed there. I think he should be the Z receiver for GB, and then shift to slot when they run 11 personnel.

Other sites might have different data and better breakdowns but for the cost of free I use PlayerProfiler for this info and they show that he lines up in the slot about 60% of his snaps. So he's primarily a slot guy, but 40% of the time he's not, so a little bit of a misnomer to say he's a slot only. It can get confusing because I typically view the slot as the third WR but what's more accurate to say about Reed is he's the third WR, pretty much never plays in 11 personnel or any other groupings that involve 2 WR's or less. I think super late last year when some injuries hit he was forced to a little for a game or two but it was super minimal and out of necessity.

I would be interested in seeing a breakdown of his performance in the the routes he's run not in the slot vs in it. LaFluer knows ball and must have his reasons for not thinking Reed is up to task of playing in 11 personnel. Just wonder what his reason(s) are and if he's right, to my eye I can't see why Reed could not do these things more.

I think one of the things that makes the green bay offense effective is that they have more than one WR that move around. so they move around until they get the matchup they like.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Packers passing game coordinator Jason Vrable said Jayden Reed is up to 199 pounds (from 185 when he got here as a rookie) and has been one of the leaders of the WR group in the offseason.Vrable pointed out that Reed has been “helping Matthew Golden with every single play.”

https://x.com/RobDemovsky/status/1922712522043338896

Added 14 pounds? That seems it's like part of a plan of some sort.

Team player. Since Reed only plays in 3 WR sets, he has plenty of down time (like 38% of the plays) to coach up Golden.

GB is one of those fantasy situations where you can cross off all their WRs from your draft list, saving time and energy. Let everyone else deal with WRs from the team whose coach stated in plain English that he doesn't believe in a WR1. I realize they are all pretty cheap to draft, but they are roster cloggers.

I doubt anyone will lose in the playoff semis or miss the playoffs, look back, and proclaim, " If I had just drafted GB WR _____ in round _____, I would have won this year."

There is a difference when you use a first-round pick on a receiver. I think the Packers' issue with some of their receivers has been injuries and inconsistent play. I believe there have been some hurt feelings in this group as well. You're not wrong, but what they have been doing has not been working, and I think the playoff loss to the Niners might be pointing them to make some changes. It is a crowded room, but Reed has been good for my roster in fantasy. He has also had some cold moments, but has been pretty good. I did trade him, however, and then drafted Matthew Golden (LOL). Watson won't be healthy till late October or November, but let's be honest, Watson can never be fully healthy and most likely not on the roster in the near future. I like Reed in the slot and think he can be a WR #2 or #3 in this offense, and you need that on a winning roster.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Adam Schefter
Packers GM Brian Guteksunst met last week with Jayden Reed’s agent Drew Rosenahus to clarify the wide receiver’s status in Green Bay after the team drafted Matthew Golden and Savion Williams. The team said it will not affect Reed’s status as its top receiver, per source.

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1922056650757693522?s=61

Hopefully Rosenhaus is planting the seed that either his snap count goes up by a significant amount or he'll apply pressure to force a trade. His utilization vs his efficiency is a head scratcher to say the least. I hope Reed himself stays quiet and remains a good teammate; not much he can do but show up and put in 110%, and he does need to improve on those drops that started showing up last season. But the agents job is to rep his client's best interests, and a 60% snap share for the WR who by the numbers has been the best on the team the past two season is not in his best interest IMO. Especially when that team just invested in two more mouths to feed.

Reed came into the NFL at age 23, so just wasting away till his rookie contract is over is more impactful for him than it would have been if he was 21. I think there are a handful of teams where he'd step in and immediately get about a 20%+ boost to his snaps, let alone targets/opportunities. It's funny in 2023 I kept coming back to comp him as a Steff Diggs-lite, and he's basically going through an even worse version of what Diggs had in Minnesota. I wouldn't be betting a large sum of money that Reed would vault to WR1 status as soon as he gets to a new team like Diggs did, but I do think he can handle and produce very well with being on the field more than 60% of the time and with more than 80 targets a season.

What else are the Packers going to say to Reed? I would be surprised if they flat-out told him he would still be the #1 receiver in the offense.

 

[pinkstapler]

Adam Schefter
Packers GM Brian Guteksunst met last week with Jayden Reed’s agent Drew Rosenahus to clarify the wide receiver’s status in Green Bay after the team drafted Matthew Golden and Savion Williams. The team said it will not affect Reed’s status as its top receiver, per source.

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1922056650757693522?s=61

Hopefully Rosenhaus is planting the seed that either his snap count goes up by a significant amount or he'll apply pressure to force a trade. His utilization vs his efficiency is a head scratcher to say the least. I hope Reed himself stays quiet and remains a good teammate; not much he can do but show up and put in 110%, and he does need to improve on those drops that started showing up last season. But the agents job is to rep his client's best interests, and a 60% snap share for the WR who by the numbers has been the best on the team the past two season is not in his best interest IMO. Especially when that team just invested in two more mouths to feed.

Reed came into the NFL at age 23, so just wasting away till his rookie contract is over is more impactful for him than it would have been if he was 21. I think there are a handful of teams where he'd step in and immediately get about a 20%+ boost to his snaps, let alone targets/opportunities. It's funny in 2023 I kept coming back to comp him as a Steff Diggs-lite, and he's basically going through an even worse version of what Diggs had in Minnesota. I wouldn't be betting a large sum of money that Reed would vault to WR1 status as soon as he gets to a new team like Diggs did, but I do think he can handle and produce very well with being on the field more than 60% of the time and with more than 80 targets a season.

What else are the Packers going to say to Reed? I would be surprised if they flat-out told him he would still be the #1 receiver in the offense.

IMO, it doesn't really matter as once this ball gets rolling it's all just a game/show both sides put on for the public face. That's why even though the GM is quoted above saying Reeds their "top receiver", most don't believe it and for good reason. What will matter is what his snap count is this season and then what Rosenhaus has Reed do next off-season (if anything). Won't get any real clarification till we see those two things. I think it's a decent guess though if Reed has another season around 60% share then Drew turns up the heat, probably both behind closed doors and playing the media game, to strong arm them into moving Reed. Even then, it might not amount to much. He's still under contract for 2026 and only for like $2.2 mil.

 

[Futeki]

Adam Schefter
Packers GM Brian Guteksunst met last week with Jayden Reed’s agent Drew Rosenahus to clarify the wide receiver’s status in Green Bay after the team drafted Matthew Golden and Savion Williams. The team said it will not affect Reed’s status as its top receiver, per source.

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1922056650757693522?s=61

Hopefully Rosenhaus is planting the seed that either his snap count goes up by a significant amount or he'll apply pressure to force a trade. His utilization vs his efficiency is a head scratcher to say the least. I hope Reed himself stays quiet and remains a good teammate; not much he can do but show up and put in 110%, and he does need to improve on those drops that started showing up last season. But the agents job is to rep his client's best interests, and a 60% snap share for the WR who by the numbers has been the best on the team the past two season is not in his best interest IMO. Especially when that team just invested in two more mouths to feed.

Reed came into the NFL at age 23, so just wasting away till his rookie contract is over is more impactful for him than it would have been if he was 21. I think there are a handful of teams where he'd step in and immediately get about a 20%+ boost to his snaps, let alone targets/opportunities. It's funny in 2023 I kept coming back to comp him as a Steff Diggs-lite, and he's basically going through an even worse version of what Diggs had in Minnesota. I wouldn't be betting a large sum of money that Reed would vault to WR1 status as soon as he gets to a new team like Diggs did, but I do think he can handle and produce very well with being on the field more than 60% of the time and with more than 80 targets a season.

What else are the Packers going to say to Reed? I would be surprised if they flat-out told him he would still be the #1 receiver in the offense.

IMO, it doesn't really matter as once this ball gets rolling it's all just a game/show both sides put on for the public face. That's why even though the GM is quoted above saying Reeds their "top receiver", most don't believe it and for good reason. What will matter is what his snap count is this season and then what Rosenhaus has Reed do next off-season (if anything). Won't get any real clarification till we see those two things. I think it's a decent guess though if Reed has another season around 60% share then Drew turns up the heat, probably both behind closed doors and playing the media game, to strong arm them into moving Reed. Even then, it might not amount to much. He's still under contract for 2026 and only for like $2.2 mil.

The GM didn't call Reed their top receiver.

The source said it. But it smacks of the GM saying "Reed" but Rosenhaus (being the source) saying "top receiver" because to Rosenhaus, Reed is the top receiver!

Just my conjecture, but it wasn't a quote

 

[Ilov80s]

Who knows what it is worth but the last two seasons he’s led the team in receptions twice, receiving yards twice and total TDs once. So on the field he has been the top receiver.