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WR Josh Gordon, KC (5 Viewers)

Adam Schefter isnt enough? or maybe Gordob himself?
I love these reports.  It is Schefter reporting something from "league sources" about something they say Gordon has said.  :lmao:

It may very well be the case.  Or perhaps it is not the case.  Even in that report of something someone said Gordon said...they say "used".. past tense.  Maybe he is in a good spot and is avoiding distractions.  Until Gordon himself, or his doctor, confirms his mental assessment - and further confirms his current progress/status -  :shrug:

AND then further uses that as the excuse/reason for avoiding Hard knocks.

 
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the whole "you dont have an official diagnosis from the doctor" is such a terrible argument, and it's used far too often by people unhappy with my injury/rehab assessment. Its asking for the unattainable, legally at least. It's a terrible argument and is often used by those who have nothing else to argue. 

I get it a lot when I offer input on injury and return from injury expectations. yes, its speculation, but speculation from someone with a terminal degree in the field in question carries more weight that that from a guy who sells window treatments. But people dont like to hear what they dont want to hear for some reason and they ask for proof, which can only be obtained only by a HIPAA violation. 

To Gordon, I'm no expert in mental health, but when he himself has said he has dealt with anxiety, and used drugs and alcohol to do so, then that's all the proof I need. 

 
The team, seeking credibility and fans (I assume), agreed to cooperate and be on hard knocks. They probably didn't ask Gordon about it and likely didn't consider that it might be a significant problem. I can see Gordon, if suffering anxiety, not wanting to be asked a hundred times a day whether he is feeling tempted to use drugs and what effect he thinks his years of use have had on his life and athletic abilities and a hundred other inane questions media types will come up with that he would not want to face breakfast, lunch and dinner every day. Yes, it costs the team and Gordon for him to be away from training camp, but it may cost him (and them) less than it would to make him go through that. Even though it's the Browns, I'll give Gordon and the team the benefit of the doubt that, knowing a lot more about it than we do, they are coping the best they can and targeting Gordon playing in the best possible mental state.

 
People actually want this guy to be a junkie to say "I told you so"

Good times.
not at all here. I'm cheering for the guy to overcome his issues. I just think its absurd how people look at him not playing the most football he can as a good thing for fantasy purposes. he has his priorities right it seems, worrying about himself rather than football, but from a fantasy perspective this is not positive. 

 
People actually want this guy to be a junkie to say "I told you so"

Good times.
I don’t think many people are rooting for him to be a junkie. This is a FF forum and he has been a major disappointment in FF based on his own choices. These repetitive FF “let downs” have caused people to have very little confidence in him (rightfully so). I would say the majority of people are rooting for the human to get better, but on the FF side (which this site is about) anyone with a stake in Gordon is probably grown weary of the story not being about football with him....again.

To sum it up....hope he cleans up his act and is able to put bed any demons as a human....but from an FF standpoint I wish I no longer had any stake in him so I did not need to follow the day-by-day off the football field scenarios that have been following him for many years now.

 
I'm still optimistic, but signing Dez would give me a 180. Not as a sign of anything wrong with Josh. I just think Dez would be terrible for Josh both on and off the field. 

 
People actually want this guy to be a junkie to say "I told you so"

Good times.
Who cares? There’s hundreds of millions of people with worse problems than Gordon not being able to play football cause he can’t stay sober. If you can’t hack the limelight than do something else with your life.

 
Really odd that he can keep himself in top shape but can't kick drugs. He could take 3 scoops of pre workout and be somewhat whacked. You'd think that be enough. 

 
Who cares? There’s hundreds of millions of people with worse problems than Gordon not being able to play football cause he can’t stay sober. If you can’t hack the limelight than do something else with your life.
I disagree with the "hack the limelight" statement but can understand the rest.

In this day and age I think most people view everything to one extreme or the other (or at least that is how they argue it). Either Josh is a victim of addiction and you have to feel sorry for him or it is his own fault and he should take responsibility for his behavior and be held accountable. IMO the answer is usually somewhere in the middle. 

Nonetheless there are everyday people that suffer from the same or worse battles. From that aspect I understand why some people may have less sympathy towards his situation (especially since this is an FF site and he has let down his FF community numerous times).

Personally I hope he can get on the field and compete at a high level because he is potentially one of the best. However, I am not holding out hope as I think he has much more unresolved issues off the field that will possibly haunt him for his remaining career.  

 
I’d be happy if he played 10 years without a problem or was out of the league tomorrow. I’m tired of the idea that we should all say a prayer for him. I don’t get why anyone should worry about it but him. 
who is praying for him? 

hoping for his best, as a fan of browns, is what I do. 

 
Really odd that he can keep himself in top shape but can't kick drugs.
The report stating that he suffers from panic attacks is a meaningful addition to this whole equation. Panic attacks are often stress-related, and can be triggered by different situations for different people. Gordon could be just fine at home in his daily routine, but maybe something team-related brings out stress. Anything can trigger anxiety - it could be something similar to "stage fright" when he has to play in front of a crowd (even if it's just teammates and media), or even something as simple as sitting through a team meeting in a small crowded room. 

I'm speculating of course, but I've dealt with panic attacks myself. Mine were triggered by driving in traffic, and you can bet in those moments I would have gladly taken any drug if it would have calmed me the f*** down and made me feel normal again. Mine weren't frequent, and have since disappeared. But I can imagine if someone dealt with that on a daily basis, then marijuana or alcohol wouldn't be recreational thing, instead it would be a means to feel normal.

 
who is praying for him? 

hoping for his best, as a fan of browns, is what I do. 
Do you really think that there are posters where that are soo morally bankrupt that they want Gordon to go back to being a junkie and a dead beat dad?   You really think that there are people here that would like to see a young man and a baby suffer solely because they want to say "I told you so" on a fantasy football forum?  C'mon man. I don't agree with a lot of opinions and people in many of these threads--but I certainly don't think that there anybody here that wants to see a child and a family suffer so they can say "I told you so".  You should really retract that statement. 

My sister almost died from drug abuse.  I can tell you that she had to alter/adjust her lifestyle in ways that limited temptation and maximized sober living.  Drug addicts never actually lose "addictive" behavior--generally their best hope is becoming addicted to something more healthy--church, charity work, mentoring,  working out..etc.   Gordon playing in the NFL on a team that will be under a microscope this season is possibly the worst situation for a recovering junkie to be put in.  He will be away from his family for long periods of time with young teammates that will want to party and have fun whenever available--going city to city where media, groupies, and drug dealers will try to target him. If the Browns start off terrible--there will be spotlight on them to start Mayfield.  If they start off great--there will be spotlight on them for turning things around.   There is virtually no circumstance this season where anything the Browns do will stay off of the radar.  If being on camera or in the spotlight is something that can trigger anxiety or a relapse for Gordon---what's going to happen anytime the Browns have a game?  The  massive media presence that comes with every NFL football game is exponentially worse than Hard Knocks.  

Really---if you cared about Gordon--you would WANT him to stay away from football to get his life back on track.   If anything--it sounds like all you care about is him coming back and putting up monster stats so that you can say "I told you so"-- more than you care about Gordon actually doing what he needs to get his life back.   Josh Gordon was a guy that I actually wanted to target in my redraft leagues this year---but now I hope he takes the entire season off.  While I think he could put up great numbers if he plays--I just think the risk is too great versus the reward in regards to his life.   Look at Demi Lovato from just last week.   She was allegedly sober for a few years.  She hung out (had a few dates) with her friend G-Eazy (an admitted junkie himself) --and nearly died from an OD.  This is a person with nearly 8-10x the net worth of Josh Gordon, with a bigger team of support in place, with several years of sobriety under her belt--and she just barely survived a relapse.   Whatever happens--I just hope he figures things out for his sake and his families sake.  The sake of any hot takes/opinions in this place means absolutely zero.

 
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Do you really think that there are posters where that are soo morally bankrupt that they want Gordon to go back to being a junkie and a dead beat dad?   You really think that there are people here that would like to see a young man and a baby suffer solely because they want to say "I told you so" on a fantasy football forum?  
Cc @Bazinga!

 
:lol:

Oh boy. Can't wait for his (healthy) return. 

Eff hard knocks. 
I think it’s pretty clear that everybody here is rooting for him to return to the field in a sober and healthy manner.   I’m not sure why you would think that anybody poster in the FBG community is rooting for him to ride a downward spiral into a tragedy.  Addiction has a really high rate of failure and relapse—that’s just reality.   A person thinking that Gordon might have a hard time coming back is a completely different dynamic  from a person  wishing for him to fail and relapse.   It really comes across that you don’t seem to understand that—with the things that you say and the use of dismissive emojis (like the laughing one).    Just my 2 cents.  In any case—I certainly hope he can get back to being a productive and healthy person both on and off the field.  

 
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I think it’s pretty clear that everybody here is rooting for him to return to the field in a sober and healthy manner.   I’m not sure why you would think that anybody poster in the FBG community is rooting for him to ride a downward spiral into a tragedy.  Addiction has a really high rate of failure and relapse—that’s just reality.   A person thinking that Gordon might have a hard time coming back is a completely different dynamic  from a person  wishing for him to fail and relapse.   It really comes across that you don’t seem to understand that—eswith the things that you say and the use of dismissive emojis (like the laughing one).    Just my 2 cents.  In any case—I certainly hope he can get back to being a productive and healthy person both on and off the field.  
from a football/fantasy perspective the browns need to cut ties. it is simply not worth it anymore.  for gordon if  his anxiety is geared that high he may need to step away from the game all together.  but as with everything i think there is way more to the story here

 
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from a football/fantasy perspective the browns need to cut ties. it is simply not worth it anymore.  for gordon if  his anxiety is geared that high he may need to step away from the game all together.  but as with everything i think there is way more to the story here
I can't understand how people don't want to understand why Gordon isn't there.

Do people believe the NFL and HBO actually wanted to put the Browns on TV?  

 
Has there been an official statement yet by the Browns? If it's really a case of Gordon wanting to avoid pressure created by the filming of Hard Knocks, why don't they just come out and say that? Is that supposed to be scandalous? it's not a secret that this guy's a drug addict. The fact that this whole thing is shrouded in this secrecy is what raises huge red flags for me. I think there's a lot more to it than just the fact that he doesn't want to be around the media circus created by a TV show. That would be very easy to just explain and have people understand.

 
Has there been an official statement yet by the Browns? If it's really a case of Gordon wanting to avoid pressure created by the filming of Hard Knocks, why don't they just come out and say that? Is that supposed to be scandalous? it's not a secret that this guy's a drug addict. The fact that this whole thing is shrouded in this secrecy is what raises huge red flags for me. I think there's a lot more to it than just the fact that he doesn't want to be around the media circus created by a TV show. That would be very easy to just explain and have people understand.
Shrouded in secrecy?  The Browns are good with it.  Gordon is good with it.  Teammates love the guy and are on record fully supporting it.  What else matters?

Why would any of us feel entitled to an explanation beyond that?  Because fantasy football?

 
Shrouded in secrecy?  The Browns are good with it.  Gordon is good with it.  Teammates love the guy and are on record fully supporting it.  What else matters?

Why would any of us feel entitled to an explanation beyond that?  Because fantasy football?
good with what exactly? missing training camp because of hard knocks?

 
good with what exactly? missing training camp because of hard knocks?
Good with whatever it is.  They are calling it a medical issue.  There are medical privacy laws.  From the interviews I've heard, it seems that Dorsey is the only one who knows & he's keeping it to himself, possibly due to those laws.  We may or may not get an explanation after the fact.

Having said all that, I'm worried.  Most times when nobody explains, it turns out bad.  I hope this situation is an exception.

 
They couldn't disagree.

There were 6 teams that met criteria to be forced.  Some list of crap like no new coach, no playoffs, have not done HBO for some amount of years.
Yep, the NFL makes teams appear.  Not sure anyone after the first season has ever wanted to be on it.

Don’t think I have thought of it before, but avoiding HK would have been ANOTHER good reason to have fired Hue last season.

 
As a Cleveland homer, how do you see he and Landy working out this year?  Who's the #1?  Which gets to 1,000 yards (or will both)?
I think Detroit is a good analog with Tate/Jones. Last year Jones finished with more yards on 30 fewer receptions. Leading Tate to better fantasy numbers in most PPR formats and jones being better in.most standard formats.

My guess is something similar will happen in Cleveland. The major difference is that Landry may be better than Tate (maybe not), I think Gordon has far more ability than Jones so...bottom line is if Gordon is back and mentally okay (for him) I like him to finish with better numbers in all draft formats (on fewer receptions).

 
Good with whatever it is.  They are calling it a medical issue.  There are medical privacy laws.  From the interviews I've heard, it seems that Dorsey is the only one who knows & he's keeping it to himself, possibly due to those laws.  We may or may not get an explanation after the fact.

Having said all that, I'm worried.  Most times when nobody explains, it turns out bad.  I hope this situation is an exception.
I hope so too...but I don't think that is the case.  

Has the league said anything beyond the "We'll address the matter at the appropriate time," comment?  I'm not getting a sense of relief from that statement.

 
I think Detroit is a good analog with Tate/Jones. Last year Jones finished with more yards on 30 fewer receptions. Leading Tate to better fantasy numbers in most PPR formats and jones being better in.most standard formats.

My guess is something similar will happen in Cleveland. The major difference is that Landry may be better than Tate (maybe not), I think Gordon has far more ability than Jones so...bottom line is if Gordon is back and mentally okay (for him) I like him to finish with better numbers in all draft formats (on fewer receptions).
Good stuff, and decent example.  But Stafford was QB#5 in my league last year, I don't think anything in Cleveland comes close to that.  I guess what I'm getting at - is there any real shot of both guys getting 1,000+ yards?

 
Good stuff, and decent example.  But Stafford was QB#5 in my league last year, I don't think anything in Cleveland comes close to that.  I guess what I'm getting at - is there any real shot of both guys getting 1,000+ yards?
I was strictly referring to Landry v Gordon.

Not Landry/Gordon v Tate/Jones.

I think Gordon has a shot at 1,000 yards but I don't see it for Landry.

Only one team had two 1,000 yard receivers last year, Detroit.

If I had to rank the four for redraft:

Gordon (just too much physical upside to ignore)

Tate (the conservative choice to be #1 on this list)

Landry (too much uncertainty but, obviously if Gordon is a no-show he gets a big bump)

Jones (Detroit seems committed to run more and I see that and the presence of Golladay (sp?) impacting Jones's opportunities more than Tate's).

 
Too much uncertainty, yet the only person on this list to average over 100/1,000 over the past three years.
Yup, and if he were still in Miami I might bump him to the top of this list.

New QB, new offense, huge primadonna makes for a more uncertain outcome.

 
Are we calling Josh Gordon or Hue Jackson the huge prima donna?
I am not sure how that relates to Landry who has been a vocal "me first" blame-everyone-else guy calling out his team publicly on multiple occasions. 

Have Gordon or Hue done anything approximating that? I don't feel that the primadonna designation applies to them. Recovering addict and bad coach? Sure. But primadonna? No.

 
Not a victim at all.  Just pointing out the double standard/inconsistent enforcement of board rules.  I would be fine with personal insults being allowed.

A bunch of nerds taking themselves seriously on a fantasy football message board.  Now that is ironic.
:lol:  You call me cc'ing you on post asking who's rooting against the guy a personal attack, but everyone else is too sensitive and takes themselves too seriously. Ok. 

 
I am not sure how that relates to Landry who has been a vocal "me first" blame-everyone-else guy calling out his team publicly on multiple occasions. 

Have Gordon or Hue done anything approximating that? I don't feel that the primadonna designation applies to them. Recovering addict and bad coach? Sure. But primadonna? No.
Yeah, he sounds like a total #######.

Today, Jarvis and his mother are as close as can be. Dietra spends about half of every month living with her son. She helps make sure his bills are paid and house is clean (Gerard pitches in, too), and has her favorite types of fish, and groceries, shipped from Louisiana so that she can prepare meals just how she likes. Sometimes Jarvis invites his teammates over for these home cooked feasts.

He and his mother have been through a lot together, but their relationship has never been stronger. Time heals scars. Age creates perspective. Every day Dietra texts her son that she loves him, and Jarvis, who continues to write lyrics as a way to explore his inner depths, repeatedly uses the word "appreciation" when talking about his mother.

Then again, that feeling is nothing new. Jarvis always felt blessed to have Dietra as a mother, and grateful for the job she did raising two sons all on her own.

Every Friday, according to Dwain Jenkins, Jarvis would quietly put in a request for an extra pair of tickets for that night’s Lutcher football game. It wasn’t for his mom, who already had her seat, or any other friends or members of his extended family. Instead, and unbeknownst to anyone else, Jarvis would take these tickets and seek out a single mom, one whose son wanted to attend the game. He didn’t publicize the action or tell anyone what he was doing. Jenkins only heard about it because a parent who was once on the receiving end of these gifts had shared the story.

All Jarvis wanted was to make the lives of these mothers a little easier. All he wanted was for these mothers to be able to come home and make their children smile.

 
Again, what does that have to do with anything? Selfish, primadonnas can love their mothers too.
Feel free to PM me with any evidence instead of us filling up this post with ####.  I literally showed you behavior that is the opposite of selfish, me-first attitudes.

 
I really like Landry's talent and his play on the field. But he's also a public complainer and that always causes me to be a bit more cautious. Particularly when they are on bad teams.

 
Feel free to PM me with any evidence instead of us filling up this post with ####.  I literally showed you behavior that is the opposite of selfish, me-first attitudes.
You showed me that he is a good dude off the field, I never said otherwise (did I really need to?) But it has nothing to do with my point that he has been a legitimate problem in the locker room (selfish). Miami got rid of him for a reason and I am absolutely certain it had nothing to do with how he treats his mother.

 
I don’t have a dog in this fight but buying 2 tickets to a high school football game to give away isn’t really all that! It’s a nice gesture for sure but we’re talking what? $10, $20 for the pair? I’ve given away big screen TVs to people but it doesn’t say anything about my outstanding character 

 

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