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WR Kadarius Toney, KC (2 Viewers)
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It’s always positive until he gets hurt
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Between chasing pass catchers in KC and chasing Toney for two years, I’m not sure I can get over the mental/ emotional hurdle of being in on Toney. I’m still at least a month away from all my redraft homework. My quick and dirty projection work for dynasty stuff I definitely was not counting on much from him. Feeling like nobody really knows which guy it’s going to be.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ok, who had the under at 37 seconds? That’s gotta pay big in Vegas.
This is truly shocking news.
Penguin
Footballguy
R.Rice has looked better in camp so far according to reports
jm192
Footballguy
Sounds like Skyy has looked really good and is in line to take over JuJu’s slot role.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This guy is such a tease.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
just look at his track record though, very hard to trust him
ChiefD
Footballguy
I started thinking about this some, because Reid also said he had a knee procedure when he was with the Giants.
I'm just wondering if some of these issues have been tied to this knee and he's been overcompensating with his legs to favor that knee and creating other issues. I haven't done the research on what legs and knees and whatever he's had issues with. but something to think about.
On the flip side he may be cursed with bad knees and unfortunately that's what we get and that's what he's gonna be.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He also plays in a rather bizarre way. His cutting is quite violent and his legs take some weird angles. It’s easy to see watching him how he could have issues with the health of his joints.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Just when I had pivoted towards drafting him fairly heavy. Been building lots of Mahomes/Kelce/Toney/Skyy stacks lately.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yep. That was the first thing I noticed when I first watched film on him. He actually reminds me of Walter Payton, who also did some strange things with cutting angles and such. They both use hesitation steps incredibly effectively. Payton stayed healthy. Toney isn't Payton. Water is wet. But still, I agree his running style is violent and perhaps risky. I sure would love to see him string a healthy season together in this offense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Never mind a season, a healthy 3 weeks seems like a step in the right direction for his career.
Dude got hurt in pre-warmups. So like, while stretching? Walking onto the field? That’s Mr Glass territory.
I doubt he is ready week one but at least he got a lot of work in with Mahomes during the off-season.
I've long railed against the notion of Injury prone. Pro Football Doc(Dr. Chao) is someone whose medical opinions relating to football I put more stock in than anyone not only feels the same way but about a week or so ago he drafted Toney in a Scott Fish Bowl league and said it's because he did not believe in the the injury prone label and added he felt a good off-season of a proper stretching routine would help his hamstrings.
Toney, followed by Penny, make me reconsider if the injury prone label should be real. And I own both of them on multiple dynasty leagues including on teams together and that's because I can't quit talent. Call it a weakness or blind spot or whatever, it's just how I operate. I'm still in and look forward to a a nice reduced price point settling in over the next few weeks.
I've long railed against the notion of Injury prone. Pro Football Doc(Dr. Chao) is someone whose medical opinions relating to football I put more stock in than anyone not only feels the same way but about a week or so ago he drafted Toney in a Scott Fish Bowl league and said it's because he did not believe in the the injury prone label and added he felt a good off-season of a proper stretching routine would help his hamstrings.
Toney, followed by Penny, make me reconsider if the injury prone label should be real. And I own both of them on multiple dynasty leagues including on teams together and that's because I can't quit talent. Call it a weakness or blind spot or whatever, it's just how I operate. I'm still in and look forward to a a nice reduced price point settling in over the next few weeks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I guess it depends how one defines injury-prone.
Penny has certainly had more than his fair share of injuries.
Toney as well.
As suggested up-thread, Toney’s violent running/cutting start/stop style of play could certainly be harder on joint tendons than players with a more smooth style of play.
Then there’s the “hurt vs injured” factor, ala Swift.
Personally I’d probably still draft these guys at the right price, because when available their boom games are likely worthwhile. I’d just be drafting with an expectation that they’d only have roughly a ~65% availability for my FF team.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
THIS will be the year. He'll be healthy for at least 7 games.
MTskibum
Footballguy
I like how you think. I hope you are right.
Yes that was my impression based on Andy saying a few times he was glad they found it.
Also Toney "liked this tweet" below which indicates there was no cartilage cleanup procedure this off-season.
@hbtCHIEFS
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9h
To clear things up. Adam Schefter's report about Kadarius Toney was indeed wrong yesterday. Andy Reid confirmed that Toney did NOT have an offseason cleanup of his knee, but he DID have that surgery this morning to clean it up. He mentioned it being his meniscus.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Meniscus could be anywhere from 1-2 weeks (desk job, light activity, minor repair) to much longer depending on
1. Extent of the surgery
2. Type of job (professional athlete being at the long end)
So…6 weeks seems like the short end, if this was indeed just a little clean-up.
That puts him on track for ~1st week of September?
If it was more extensive (and we really don’t know at this point) it could be longer.
Toney becomes a much bigger gamble IMO. Not specifically due to this injury, but the trend of his being injured. He makes a much better WR4-5 than a WR3.
Still upside if he can come back and wrestle a dominant target share, but this is also ~6 weeks or longer for Mahomes to vibe with Rice, Skyyyyyyy, and/or James.
massraider
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1684252140309454848?t=OAEPh-l6_FPSqBrVtx21jw&s=19
Here's an exciting action pic of Toney during training camp.
Here's an exciting action pic of Toney during training camp.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Imagine being a sports anchor named Harry Kuntz?
joey
Footballguy
Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I sometimes worry about the other injuries he opens himself up for, like a broken hand from punching guys with helmets on. This guy acts like he's been playing at the level everyone wishes he would get to. I wouldn't deny his talent, but I also won't deny his attitude continuing to derail him even when injuries don't. It wouldn't surprise me to see Richie James on the field more than him by mid season.
Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
Maybe not for our fantasy teams but KC likely does not win the SB without his contribution.
I personally think people are to caught in in how handled himself in NY and not how he's handled himself in KC. Just needs to stay healthy and all the narratives will change.
Boston
Footballguy
Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
Maybe not for our fantasy teams but KC likely does not win the SB without his contribution.
I personally think people are to caught in in how handled himself in NY and not how he's handled himself in KC. Just needs to stay healthy and all the narratives will change.
Why would you not be worried about that? It is a piece of the puzzle and was less than a year ago...now there is no doubt the kid has serious talent but at some point he needs to prove he can both stay on the field and not be a knucklehead...do that and the narrative will change but at some point he does need to do that.
Worried about what?Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
Maybe not for our fantasy teams but KC likely does not win the SB without his contribution.
I personally think people are to caught in in how handled himself in NY and not how he's handled himself in KC. Just needs to stay healthy and all the narratives will change.
Why would you not be worried about that? It is a piece of the puzzle and was less than a year ago...now there is no doubt the kid has serious talent but at some point he needs to prove he can both stay on the field and not be a knucklehead...do that and the narrative will change but at some point he does need to do that.
Boston
Footballguy
Worried about what?Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
Maybe not for our fantasy teams but KC likely does not win the SB without his contribution.
I personally think people are to caught in in how handled himself in NY and not how he's handled himself in KC. Just needs to stay healthy and all the narratives will change.
Why would you not be worried about that? It is a piece of the puzzle and was less than a year ago...now there is no doubt the kid has serious talent but at some point he needs to prove he can both stay on the field and not be a knucklehead...do that and the narrative will change but at some point he does need to do that.
Seriously?
I asked you a question and no I'm not joking.Worried about what?Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
Maybe not for our fantasy teams but KC likely does not win the SB without his contribution.
I personally think people are to caught in in how handled himself in NY and not how he's handled himself in KC. Just needs to stay healthy and all the narratives will change.
Why would you not be worried about that? It is a piece of the puzzle and was less than a year ago...now there is no doubt the kid has serious talent but at some point he needs to prove he can both stay on the field and not be a knucklehead...do that and the narrative will change but at some point he does need to do that.
Seriously?
Boston
Footballguy
I asked you a question and no I'm not joking.Worried about what?Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
Maybe not for our fantasy teams but KC likely does not win the SB without his contribution.
I personally think people are to caught in in how handled himself in NY and not how he's handled himself in KC. Just needs to stay healthy and all the narratives will change.
Why would you not be worried about that? It is a piece of the puzzle and was less than a year ago...now there is no doubt the kid has serious talent but at some point he needs to prove he can both stay on the field and not be a knucklehead...do that and the narrative will change but at some point he does need to do that.
Seriously?
Exactly what I posted above.
Chill dude. I have no idea what the "that" is you are talking about. Have a good day.I asked you a question and no I'm not joking.Worried about what?Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
Maybe not for our fantasy teams but KC likely does not win the SB without his contribution.
I personally think people are to caught in in how handled himself in NY and not how he's handled himself in KC. Just needs to stay healthy and all the narratives will change.
Why would you not be worried about that? It is a piece of the puzzle and was less than a year ago...now there is no doubt the kid has serious talent but at some point he needs to prove he can both stay on the field and not be a knucklehead...do that and the narrative will change but at some point he does need to do that.
Seriously?
Exactly what I posted above.
sheerterror
Footballguy
I dumped him for 3.4 (rd 3 starts next week) the other day in a league I own Skyy, and I couldn't be happier. There's zero reason at this point to believe this guy will ever be able to string together enough consecutive healthy, let alone productive starts to find his way into most lineups. Maybe he eventually turns a corner, but where there's smoke there's fire, and Toney is not only extremely glassy, he's got a 10 cent head as well.
Boston
Footballguy
Chill dude. I have no idea what the "that" is you are talking about. Have a good day.I asked you a question and no I'm not joking.Worried about what?Twitter quote said ”I’ll be back like I never left”.
more like he never arrived. Yet.
Maybe not for our fantasy teams but KC likely does not win the SB without his contribution.
I personally think people are to caught in in how handled himself in NY and not how he's handled himself in KC. Just needs to stay healthy and all the narratives will change.
Why would you not be worried about that? It is a piece of the puzzle and was less than a year ago...now there is no doubt the kid has serious talent but at some point he needs to prove he can both stay on the field and not be a knucklehead...do that and the narrative will change but at some point he does need to do that.
Seriously?
Exactly what I posted above.
Ok dude.
Andy Reid on Kadarius Toney: "Right now, he's good to go. He's moving around pretty well. We'll take it day by day."
Do I drop Bateman for Toney in a ten man now?
Do I drop Bateman for Toney in a ten man now?
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
Been high on this guy. Drafted him cheap in my work auction league to pair with Mahomes. Of course he is the type of dude who is either injured or in some kind antics, despite phenomenal talent. What’s he gonna do this year?
massraider
Footballguy
That hot skank who stole your money, you thought she was out of your life. You know you shouldn't let her back in. But she showed up, she look soooo good. You promised yourself you wouldn't do it again, but you just can't help it. Next thing you know, you wake up in bed with this beat up chick in a Josh Gordon jersey.
