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QJ himself was a 1st round pick just one year ago for a reason.Ya, he'll make a decent #2 to Nabers/Odunze
The wrong reason. The guy was the epitome of boom or bust pick.
QJ himself was a 1st round pick just one year ago for a reason.Ya, he'll make a decent #2 to Nabers/Odunze
Personally I thought he was overdrafted last year in the 1st. His college film did nothing to show me he was a 1st round caliber WR. His contested catches was one of his greatest attributes, which I saw as “lack of separation”.Nobody’s been impressed with QJ so far, but his 1st round draft capital just one year ago suggests he has a much higher ceiling than Palmer. Whether he can justify that 1st round selection will be decided this season. If we’re drafting right now, I’d gamble of QJ over Palmer, but admittedly, that could prove unwise.I wish I had Palmer shares. IMO he’s the biggest beneficiary of Williams & Allen’s departures. I’ve not been at all impressed by QJ’s play.
I was just going to ask how his run blocking is. He better be ferocious there or he's going to get on Harbaugh's bad side real quick.He’s toast, hopefully he can block for run plays or he’ll never see the field
IMO Palmer is the WR1 in SD until they bring in someone else, or QJ takes a dramatic leap forward. One I’m not convinced he’s capable of.
I’m not saying Palmer is “a” WR1.IMO Palmer is the WR1 in SD until they bring in someone else, or QJ takes a dramatic leap forward. One I’m not convinced he’s capable of.
IMO Palmer is a good WR3 caliber player, and that's what he will continue to be. His run blocking is not good ennough for him to be a WR1 for Harbaugh/Roman. Here are his season run blocking PFF grades for his career:
Unlike Johnston, he has a long track record of not being good at that, though he showed improvement in 2023. Best case, that was due to the OC change last season and could continue.
- 2023 - 51.1 on 155 run blocking snaps
- 2022 - 39.5 on 276 run blocking snaps
- 2021 - 46.5 on 143 run blocking snaps
I expect the Chargers will give Johnston every chance to be WR1/WR2, and I also expect they will bring in multiple WRs through the draft and/or free agency.
It's also worth noting that this Chargers front office and coaching staff didn't draft Palmer, and he is a UFA after 2024. Combine all of that, and I think it is unlikely Palmer is with the Chargers in 2025.
I’m saying for FF purposes he’s the de facto Chargers WR1.
That could also be a situation where for whatever reason the Chargers staff didn't emphasize receivers blockingI was just going to ask how his run blocking is. He better be ferocious there or he's going to get on Harbaugh's bad side real quick.He’s toast, hopefully he can block for run plays or he’ll never see the field
Per PFF, his run blocking grade last season was 52.7, which isn't very good... #121 out of 212 WRs graded at run blocking with at least 10 run blocking snaps.
But his grade was higher than every WR and TE on the Chargers who played at least 4 run blocking snaps other than Mike Williams, who is gone. So it seems unlikely that run blocking will keep him off the field.
It could also be that for FF purposes the only player worth starting in FF is Herbert.I’m saying for FF purposes he’s the de facto Chargers WR1.
I will agree to disagree about it. I suppose it could arguably be true today, but IMO he will be the clear WR3 in week 1.
Giving up on a player because he didn’t “boom” in his rookie season is pretty short sighted. Not saying he won’t be a bust, just that his draft capital implies the boom potential still exists in year two, particularly if playing in a new system that plays to his strengths.QJ himself was a 1st round pick just one year ago for a reason.Ya, he'll make a decent #2 to Nabers/Odunze
The wrong reason. The guy was the epitome of boom or bust pick.
Even before last year’s draft I posted that I thought he would bust, but this post makes a lot of sense. Yes, he may bust, but isn’t it premature to completely write him off after one season? People have less patience today than they used to.Giving up on a player because he didn’t “boom” in his rookie season is pretty short sighted. Not saying he won’t be a bust, just that his draft capital implies the boom potential still exists in year two, particularly if playing in a new system that plays to his strengths.QJ himself was a 1st round pick just one year ago for a reason.Ya, he'll make a decent #2 to Nabers/Odunze
The wrong reason. The guy was the epitome of boom or bust pick.
Especially when the two reliable guys who had been there forever are suddenly gone from his path to targets. Would love to get this guy back.Giving up on a player because he didn’t “boom” in his rookie season is pretty short sighted. Not saying he won’t be a bust, just that his draft capital implies the boom potential still exists in year two, particularly if playing in a new system that plays to his strengths.QJ himself was a 1st round pick just one year ago for a reason.Ya, he'll make a decent #2 to Nabers/Odunze
The wrong reason. The guy was the epitome of boom or bust pick.
I didn’t give up on him after 1 year. I was skeptical about him prior to the draft.Giving up on a player because he didn’t “boom” in his rookie season is pretty short sighted. Not saying he won’t be a bust, just that his draft capital implies the boom potential still exists in year two, particularly if playing in a new system that plays to his strengths.
I wouldn’t call an early 2nd peanuts, especially this year. I doubt you get that good of a deal.I only have him in 1 dynasty league, I am going to sell for peanuts. There is a charger fan in the league with an early 2nd, that is going to be my goal.
I agree but if one wants to sell now might be the last best chanceI wouldn’t call an early 2nd peanuts, especially this year. I doubt you get that good of a deal.I only have him in 1 dynasty league, I am going to sell for peanuts. There is a charger fan in the league with an early 2nd, that is going to be my goal.
I don't see anyone getting a 2nd round rookie pick for him right now and they might as well hold if his value is a 3rd. Just my opinion.I agree but if one wants to sell now might be the last best chanceI wouldn’t call an early 2nd peanuts, especially this year. I doubt you get that good of a deal.I only have him in 1 dynasty league, I am going to sell for peanuts. There is a charger fan in the league with an early 2nd, that is going to be my goal.
As a Charger fan, I wouldn't give up a 2nd for him. He looked terrible last year. I wouldn't expect many Charger fans to be buyers.I only have him in 1 dynasty league, I am going to sell for peanuts. There is a charger fan in the league with an early 2nd, that is going to be my goal.
Even before last year’s draft I posted that I thought he would bust, but this post makes a lot of sense. Yes, he may bust, but isn’t it premature to completely write him off after one season? People have less patience today than they used to.Giving up on a player because he didn’t “boom” in his rookie season is pretty short sighted. Not saying he won’t be a bust, just that his draft capital implies the boom potential still exists in year two, particularly if playing in a new system that plays to his strengths.QJ himself was a 1st round pick just one year ago for a reason.Ya, he'll make a decent #2 to Nabers/Odunze
The wrong reason. The guy was the epitome of boom or bust pick.
Don’t get me wrong, I never said I’m expecting QJ to break out, only that he has a great opportunity in front of him and it’s too soon to say a breakout can’t happen.Even before last year’s draft I posted that I thought he would bust, but this post makes a lot of sense. Yes, he may bust, but isn’t it premature to completely write him off after one season? People have less patience today than they used to.Giving up on a player because he didn’t “boom” in his rookie season is pretty short sighted. Not saying he won’t be a bust, just that his draft capital implies the boom potential still exists in year two, particularly if playing in a new system that plays to his strengths.QJ himself was a 1st round pick just one year ago for a reason.Ya, he'll make a decent #2 to Nabers/Odunze
The wrong reason. The guy was the epitome of boom or bust pick.
Of course it's too early, but he performed worse than I thought he would, and I was already low. Now he's gonna be eating #1 CBs instead of 2/3s. Don't see it improving, but could be wrong
Good point. Couple key drops early and he’s toast.We’ve seen that all bets are off with a new coaching regime. QJ is going to have to earn any PT he gets and draft stock probably has no bearing.
For one, he hasn’t earned a nickname yet.Who knows, with Allen and Williams completely gone, and a chance to be “the man,” Qbert could have an entirely different outlook, mindset, and attitude coming into this season which can have a dramatic impact on performance.
Sometimes nicknames are just given. I mean, I didn’t earn the nickname “Meat,” just lucky I guess.For one, he hasn’t earned a nickname yet.Who knows, with Allen and Williams completely gone, and a chance to be “the man,” Qbert could have an entirely different outlook, mindset, and attitude coming into this season which can have a dramatic impact on performance.
For another, I’m not writing off the possibility of a Mike Williams return on a 1-year deal, or some other WR acquisition in the draft or FA to get “their guy”, since QJ may not be their guy.
The pride of Angel Beach High School!Sometimes nicknames are just given. I mean, I didn’t earn the nickname “Meat,” just lucky I guess.For one, he hasn’t earned a nickname yet.Who knows, with Allen and Williams completely gone, and a chance to be “the man,” Qbert could have an entirely different outlook, mindset, and attitude coming into this season which can have a dramatic impact on performance.
For another, I’m not writing off the possibility of a Mike Williams return on a 1-year deal, or some other WR acquisition in the draft or FA to get “their guy”, since QJ may not be their guy.
Porky, the boys from Angel Beach are here!!The pride of Angel Beach High School!Sometimes nicknames are just given. I mean, I didn’t earn the nickname “Meat,” just lucky I guess.For one, he hasn’t earned a nickname yet.Who knows, with Allen and Williams completely gone, and a chance to be “the man,” Qbert could have an entirely different outlook, mindset, and attitude coming into this season which can have a dramatic impact on performance.
For another, I’m not writing off the possibility of a Mike Williams return on a 1-year deal, or some other WR acquisition in the draft or FA to get “their guy”, since QJ may not be their guy.
Just watch out for Beulah.Porky, the boys from Angel Beach are here!!The pride of Angel Beach High School!Sometimes nicknames are just given. I mean, I didn’t earn the nickname “Meat,” just lucky I guess.For one, he hasn’t earned a nickname yet.Who knows, with Allen and Williams completely gone, and a chance to be “the man,” Qbert could have an entirely different outlook, mindset, and attitude coming into this season which can have a dramatic impact on performance.
For another, I’m not writing off the possibility of a Mike Williams return on a 1-year deal, or some other WR acquisition in the draft or FA to get “their guy”, since QJ may not be their guy.
I can pretty much guarantee he won't ever be, even if he's the best wr in the leagueHe may never be the alpha in SD
By part of the package you sent for Breece, I assume you meant he was the stamp.Didn't want anything to do with him in last seasons draft but somehow ended up with him. (at a certain point you have to take the first round player in the good landing spot)
Recently sold him as part of a package for Breece Hall. An easy sell. He was everything I expected him to be last season.
Twine. Stamps have value.By part of the package you sent for for Breece, I assume you meant he was the stamp.Didn't want anything to do with him in last seasons draft but somehow ended up with him. (at a certain point you have to take the first round player in the good landing spot)
Recently sold him as part of a package for Breece Hall. An easy sell. He was everything I expected him to be last season.
I agree to a degree. I was not a fan of his coming into the league and thought it was a terrible selection for the Chargers based on what other receivers were on the board at the time. However, some receivers take a bit to acclimate to the NFL. He gets a fresh start with a proven coach and now has a year of NFL experience. Now comes the part that is tough to evaluate, how hard of a worker is he? He has enough physical tools to succeed and the opportunity is there if he can show improvement. He is definitely not a bad buy low although the mass exciting at the position for the Chargers will probably give owners hope and extinguish any super deals versus if they had been able to keep Allen or Williams (if they draft a receiver in the first he will obviously go lower).Everyone is a dogging QJ. He's a buy if you can get him for a mid-late 2nd. He may never be the alpha in SD, but he can carve out a nice role if he develops.
I didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Cherry picking a single drop is odd. Christian Watson dropped a horrible ball from ARod once upon a time. He’s still a starterI didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Grade A whataboutism though.
I just remembered one play. He dropped many, many balls.Cherry picking a single drop is odd. Christian Watson dropped a horrible ball from ARod once upon a time. He’s still a starterI didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Grade A whataboutism though.
Now, if QJ looks that awful all the time, that’s a different story. But your link was just a single dropped ball. Which wasn’t as horrible as the infamous Watson drop vs the Vikings.
Jesus man, I’m not turning it into a Watson thread, and you know it. I’m using the single Watson plays as a comparison to ask why you cherry picked one play to criticize QJ. I don’t watch the Chargers - thank god - so if you or others have clips showing multiple plays where QJ sucks, I’m game to watch the clips. But if you are simply anchoring on one play (which is what your post could have been interpreted as) then frankly it isn’t helpful.I just remembered one play. He dropped many, many balls.Cherry picking a single drop is odd. Christian Watson dropped a horrible ball from ARod once upon a time. He’s still a starterI didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Grade A whataboutism though.
Now, if QJ looks that awful all the time, that’s a different story. But your link was just a single dropped ball. Which wasn’t as horrible as the infamous Watson drop vs the Vikings.
Again, this is the QJ topic. It has zero to do with Watson, and that’s a super weird pivot in using Watson’s poor play to defend QJ’s poor play. I am not a Christian Watson fan, nor did I ever say Christian Watson was good, so that’s completely irrelevant to whether or not QJ is good.
QJ isn’t good, btw. That was merely 1 example. It was not cherry picking, it was just the 1st play that came to mind, and it happened to be a game-losing drop, so i posted it.
I suggest maybe taking this to the Christian Watson topic if you’d like to continue discussing Christain Watson.
I disagree because now he's got tape to learn from and has seen how fast the DBs are and the game is.I traded away QJ and cut my losses, but I will say this reminds me a lot of the Davante Adams discourse after year 2. 12 drops, several of them backbreaking ones, butt of jokes on fantasy MBs/Twitter, Gifs of his worst plays being shared around, Matt Harmon saying no one had ever come back from such a bad season, stuff like that.
It's bad business banking on outliers like Adams, and I am not going to do that unless it's for cheap at this point, but I thought the parallels were interesting. The one thing with QJ is based on how refined he was coming out, teams should not have been drafting him as a year 1 full time WR. It should not be surprising he struggles as a full time WR year 1 given that.
He had multiple drops last session. I only looked for the one. You have google I assume - have at it. He didn’t look good at all.Jesus man, I’m not turning it into a Watson thread, and you know it. I’m using the single Watson plays as a comparison to ask why you cherry picked one play to criticize QJ. I don’t watch the Chargers - thank god - so if you or others have clips showing multiple plays where QJ sucks, I’m game to watch the clips. But if you are simply anchoring on one play (which is what your post could have been interpreted as) then frankly it isn’t helpful.I just remembered one play. He dropped many, many balls.Cherry picking a single drop is odd. Christian Watson dropped a horrible ball from ARod once upon a time. He’s still a starterI didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Grade A whataboutism though.
Now, if QJ looks that awful all the time, that’s a different story. But your link was just a single dropped ball. Which wasn’t as horrible as the infamous Watson drop vs the Vikings.
Again, this is the QJ topic. It has zero to do with Watson, and that’s a super weird pivot in using Watson’s poor play to defend QJ’s poor play. I am not a Christian Watson fan, nor did I ever say Christian Watson was good, so that’s completely irrelevant to whether or not QJ is good.
QJ isn’t good, btw. That was merely 1 example. It was not cherry picking, it was just the 1st play that came to mind, and it happened to be a game-losing drop, so i posted it.
I suggest maybe taking this to the Christian Watson topic if you’d like to continue discussing Christain Watson.
Problem is there’s not a lot of other plays like this. Not because his other plays were good, mind you. It’s because he failed to force his way onto the field over some very replacement-level wide receivers as a first round pick, and also failed to command targets when he was out there.Jesus man, I’m not turning it into a Watson thread, and you know it. I’m using the single Watson plays as a comparison to ask why you cherry picked one play to criticize QJ. I don’t watch the Chargers - thank god - so if you or others have clips showing multiple plays where QJ sucks, I’m game to watch the clips. But if you are simply anchoring on one play (which is what your post could have been interpreted as) then frankly it isn’t helpful.I just remembered one play. He dropped many, many balls.Cherry picking a single drop is odd. Christian Watson dropped a horrible ball from ARod once upon a time. He’s still a starterI didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Grade A whataboutism though.
Now, if QJ looks that awful all the time, that’s a different story. But your link was just a single dropped ball. Which wasn’t as horrible as the infamous Watson drop vs the Vikings.
Again, this is the QJ topic. It has zero to do with Watson, and that’s a super weird pivot in using Watson’s poor play to defend QJ’s poor play. I am not a Christian Watson fan, nor did I ever say Christian Watson was good, so that’s completely irrelevant to whether or not QJ is good.
QJ isn’t good, btw. That was merely 1 example. It was not cherry picking, it was just the 1st play that came to mind, and it happened to be a game-losing drop, so i posted it.
I suggest maybe taking this to the Christian Watson topic if you’d like to continue discussing Christain Watson.
I watched a couple of games, and when I saw him play it reinforced my concerns about his college play - he struggled to get separation. And contested catches are 1. Much harder against NFL caliber DBs, and 2. NFL QBs are more reluctant to throw 50-50 balls to rookie receivers (or, in general) .Problem is there’s not a lot of other plays like this. Not because his other plays were good, mind you. It’s because he failed to force his way onto the field over some very replacement-level wide receivers as a first round pick, and also failed to command targets when he was out there.Jesus man, I’m not turning it into a Watson thread, and you know it. I’m using the single Watson plays as a comparison to ask why you cherry picked one play to criticize QJ. I don’t watch the Chargers - thank god - so if you or others have clips showing multiple plays where QJ sucks, I’m game to watch the clips. But if you are simply anchoring on one play (which is what your post could have been interpreted as) then frankly it isn’t helpful.I just remembered one play. He dropped many, many balls.Cherry picking a single drop is odd. Christian Watson dropped a horrible ball from ARod once upon a time. He’s still a starterI didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Grade A whataboutism though.
Now, if QJ looks that awful all the time, that’s a different story. But your link was just a single dropped ball. Which wasn’t as horrible as the infamous Watson drop vs the Vikings.
Again, this is the QJ topic. It has zero to do with Watson, and that’s a super weird pivot in using Watson’s poor play to defend QJ’s poor play. I am not a Christian Watson fan, nor did I ever say Christian Watson was good, so that’s completely irrelevant to whether or not QJ is good.
QJ isn’t good, btw. That was merely 1 example. It was not cherry picking, it was just the 1st play that came to mind, and it happened to be a game-losing drop, so i posted it.
I suggest maybe taking this to the Christian Watson topic if you’d like to continue discussing Christain Watson.
Very concerning.
Makes sense. What I’ve read - not watched personally - is that he just looked lost and mediocre at best, in every possible facet.Problem is there’s not a lot of other plays like this. Not because his other plays were good, mind you. It’s because he failed to force his way onto the field over some very replacement-level wide receivers as a first round pick, and also failed to command targets when he was out there.Jesus man, I’m not turning it into a Watson thread, and you know it. I’m using the single Watson plays as a comparison to ask why you cherry picked one play to criticize QJ. I don’t watch the Chargers - thank god - so if you or others have clips showing multiple plays where QJ sucks, I’m game to watch the clips. But if you are simply anchoring on one play (which is what your post could have been interpreted as) then frankly it isn’t helpful.I just remembered one play. He dropped many, many balls.Cherry picking a single drop is odd. Christian Watson dropped a horrible ball from ARod once upon a time. He’s still a starterI didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Grade A whataboutism though.
Now, if QJ looks that awful all the time, that’s a different story. But your link was just a single dropped ball. Which wasn’t as horrible as the infamous Watson drop vs the Vikings.
Again, this is the QJ topic. It has zero to do with Watson, and that’s a super weird pivot in using Watson’s poor play to defend QJ’s poor play. I am not a Christian Watson fan, nor did I ever say Christian Watson was good, so that’s completely irrelevant to whether or not QJ is good.
QJ isn’t good, btw. That was merely 1 example. It was not cherry picking, it was just the 1st play that came to mind, and it happened to be a game-losing drop, so i posted it.
I suggest maybe taking this to the Christian Watson topic if you’d like to continue discussing Christain Watson.
Very concerning.
#accurate.Makes sense. What I’ve read - not watched personally - is that he just looked lost and mediocre at best, in every possible facet.Problem is there’s not a lot of other plays like this. Not because his other plays were good, mind you. It’s because he failed to force his way onto the field over some very replacement-level wide receivers as a first round pick, and also failed to command targets when he was out there.Jesus man, I’m not turning it into a Watson thread, and you know it. I’m using the single Watson plays as a comparison to ask why you cherry picked one play to criticize QJ. I don’t watch the Chargers - thank god - so if you or others have clips showing multiple plays where QJ sucks, I’m game to watch the clips. But if you are simply anchoring on one play (which is what your post could have been interpreted as) then frankly it isn’t helpful.I just remembered one play. He dropped many, many balls.Cherry picking a single drop is odd. Christian Watson dropped a horrible ball from ARod once upon a time. He’s still a starterI didn’t realize this was the Christian Watson topic.
Grade A whataboutism though.
Now, if QJ looks that awful all the time, that’s a different story. But your link was just a single dropped ball. Which wasn’t as horrible as the infamous Watson drop vs the Vikings.
Again, this is the QJ topic. It has zero to do with Watson, and that’s a super weird pivot in using Watson’s poor play to defend QJ’s poor play. I am not a Christian Watson fan, nor did I ever say Christian Watson was good, so that’s completely irrelevant to whether or not QJ is good.
QJ isn’t good, btw. That was merely 1 example. It was not cherry picking, it was just the 1st play that came to mind, and it happened to be a game-losing drop, so i posted it.
I suggest maybe taking this to the Christian Watson topic if you’d like to continue discussing Christain Watson.
Very concerning.
Watching his college film, I had the impression that he was a size/hands guy who got by on that. He was bigger/stronger than the DBs he faced & made his hay on contested catches.Lacking in the fundamentals is how I would describe him.