WR T.Y. Hilton, DAL (1 Viewer)

[werdnoynek]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

They can all get a piece of the pie. With Luck throwing darts, I like all three. Hilton can put up WR1 numbers IMO. I'd be comfortable with Moncrief and Dorsett as my WR3/4 with WR2 upside. I think the Colts WRs can put up Packer WR numbers.

 

[Arodin]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

Competing for the #2 slot once AJ retires. Both could have good fantasy value in this offense.

 

[Shutout]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

Competing for the #2 slot once AJ retires. Both could have good fantasy value in this offense.

I see Moncrief as the more interesting player that brings something different and Dorsett as more the guy without a true role (unless of course Hilton is injured and then it becomes obvious his value can rise quicker than anyone else's).

I still don't understand the Colts taking Dorsett. They had other needs and this was a bit of a luxury. It can definitely benefit them if they need to call in the hedged bet but, as it stands with a healthy team, Moncrief if the less-inspiring but more steady guy in this mix while Dorsett is the more boom-or-bust guy with much higher possible return.

 

[cstu]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

Competing for the #2 slot once AJ retires. Both could have good fantasy value in this offense.

I see Moncrief as the more interesting player that brings something different and Dorsett as more the guy without a true role (unless of course Hilton is injured and then it becomes obvious his value can rise quicker than anyone else's).

I still don't understand the Colts taking Dorsett. They had other needs and this was a bit of a luxury. It can definitely benefit them if they need to call in the hedged bet but, as it stands with a healthy team, Moncrief if the less-inspiring but more steady guy in this mix while Dorsett is the more boom-or-bust guy with much higher possible return.

It was a bit of luxury pick but they had a lot of questions when they drafted him:

- Will Hilton re-sign at a reasonable price?

- Does AJ have anything left?

- Will Moncrief keep developing?

- Should they re-sign Fleener and Allen?

Worst case for the Colts is Hilton, Fleener, and Allen all leave, AJ looks washed up, and Moncrief plateaus. Without Dorsett they are suddenly looking weak at receiver.

 

[werdnoynek]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

Competing for the #2 slot once AJ retires. Both could have good fantasy value in this offense.

I see Moncrief as the more interesting player that brings something different and Dorsett as more the guy without a true role (unless of course Hilton is injured and then it becomes obvious his value can rise quicker than anyone else's).

I still don't understand the Colts taking Dorsett. They had other needs and this was a bit of a luxury. It can definitely benefit them if they need to call in the hedged bet but, as it stands with a healthy team, Moncrief if the less-inspiring but more steady guy in this mix while Dorsett is the more boom-or-bust guy with much higher possible return.

It was a bit of luxury pick but they had a lot of questions when they drafted him:

- Will Hilton re-sign at a reasonable price?

- Does AJ have anything left?

- Will Moncrief keep developing?

- Should they re-sign Fleener and Allen?

Worst case for the Colts is Hilton, Fleener, and Allen all leave, AJ looks washed up, and Moncrief plateaus. Without Dorsett they are suddenly looking weak at receiver.

You must not be aware of the recent news.

 

[cstu]

You must not be aware of the recent news.

I wasn't, but I was referring to the Colts thinking at during the draft.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I feel like Duron Carter is being overlooked in this conversation. He is a great investment with this news and will be the big body needed in a year or two when AJ hangs it up.

 

[cstu]

Colts signed WR T.Y. Hilton to a five-year, $65 million extension that includes $39 million guaranteed.
Hilton was owed $665,000 this season, the final year of the contract he signed as a third-round rookie in 2012. Now he's signed for the next six years at an average annual salary that comes in around $10.8M per season, well below the Dez Bryant/Demaryius Thomas deals but in line with recent contracts signed by Randall Cobb and Jeremy Maclin. The Colts, who still need to sign Andrew Luck and LT Anthony Castonzo, apparently see no problem with Hilton and his clone Phillip Dorsett playing together. Those two undersized speedsters plus Donte Moncrief will be Luck's receiving corps once 34-year-old Andre Johnson moves on.
Source: Kevin Bowen on Twitter
Aug 13 - 7:50 AM

 

[Squintz82]

AJ looks washed up

The Indy Star says Johnson "has seemingly turned back the clock based on what he's shown in practice" so far

 

[Freelove]

Decent value on Hilton if they believe in moving forward with either a discount WR corps, or a high priced WR corps with Hilton as the #2. I think the latter is more likely. I expect AJ to be the clear #1 WR on the team this year, and for the team to pursue a similar, younger talent down the road. They seem to be all in on the Fouts/Marino plan of all passing O, and see where it gets you. I don't think it's a terrible plan in an era when they make passing a lot easier.

 

[Freelove]

To clarify: AJ as clear #1 meaning "by far most targeted WR." The deep guy is pretty much always going to have more TD's when you're talking about a guy with the kind of arm Luck has. So Hilton's FF value gets a bump that way.

 

[We Tigers]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

Competing for the #2 slot once AJ retires. Both could have good fantasy value in this offense.

I see Moncrief as the more interesting player that brings something different and Dorsett as more the guy without a true role (unless of course Hilton is injured and then it becomes obvious his value can rise quicker than anyone else's). I still don't understand the Colts taking Dorsett. They had other needs and this was a bit of a luxury. It can definitely benefit them if they need to call in the hedged bet but, as it stands with a healthy team, Moncrief if the less-inspiring but more steady guy in this mix while Dorsett is the more boom-or-bust guy with much higher possible return.

I agree with this assessment, both short term and long. Moncrief showed enough last year that I can see him as a solid WR2--both NFL and fantasy--in the near future. Neither guy is gonna get there fast if the colts stick with 2TE sets, but 3WR just seems to be a much better match for their personnel given Allen and Fleener's inconsistencies.

 

[lod01]

Dorsett owners -->

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Hilton dynasty owners -->

 

[Shutout]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

Competing for the #2 slot once AJ retires. Both could have good fantasy value in this offense.

I see Moncrief as the more interesting player that brings something different and Dorsett as more the guy without a true role (unless of course Hilton is injured and then it becomes obvious his value can rise quicker than anyone else's).

I still don't understand the Colts taking Dorsett. They had other needs and this was a bit of a luxury. It can definitely benefit them if they need to call in the hedged bet but, as it stands with a healthy team, Moncrief if the less-inspiring but more steady guy in this mix while Dorsett is the more boom-or-bust guy with much higher possible return.

It was a bit of luxury pick but they had a lot of questions when they drafted him:

- Will Hilton re-sign at a reasonable price?

- Does AJ have anything left?

- Will Moncrief keep developing?

- Should they re-sign Fleener and Allen?

Worst case for the Colts is Hilton, Fleener, and Allen all leave, AJ looks washed up, and Moncrief plateaus. Without Dorsett they are suddenly looking weak at receiver.

I don't really see it that way, but just my opinion.

Hilton could have been tagged and I really never saw anything from the COlts that indicated they aren't willing to work in good faith with their players.

Aj is far from washed up. People who really think that just haven't paid attention to the hell he has lived through in terms of QB and offensive philosophy the past few years.

I never saw anything from Moncrief last year that made me think he was anywhere close to peaked. He always looked promising to me. Again, just my opinion.

I guess when you figure out Luck, Hilton, etc, where Carter fits in if he does, then you have the decisions to make with the TEs. I don't know the answer to that one but it is a nice problem for the COlts to have so, overall, I don't think by any means they made that pick because they were worried about scarcity of available play-makers. I think they just got caught up in the rut of a particular way of thinking at the time. Something told them to go that way over LB, Lineman, other areas they really NEEDED. But if it works, it works. Although now, it looks like more of a luxury than ever.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Colts have a dizzying stockpile of receiving weapons. People want to know who will be the outright fantasy winner. Luck is pretty obvious as dynasty's #1 overall QB. And TY Hilton seems pretty safe. Some want to claim AJ is washed up with no empirical evidence other than he's getting on in age. I don't think that necessarily means he's washed up or even on the downslope, but it's not something you can ignore either. Then there's the younger WR core that is up and coming and on everyone's dynasty radar, Moncrief, Dorsett, and Carter. That's 5 fantasy worthy WR's on one team. Not to mention 2 stud receiving TE's and whatever's receiving targets the RB group get. A lot of mouths to feed.

I think attrition will decide how valuable each receiver will be. Right now, it's hard to see the forest for the trees. Place your bets and hope.

 

[cstu]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

Competing for the #2 slot once AJ retires. Both could have good fantasy value in this offense.

I see Moncrief as the more interesting player that brings something different and Dorsett as more the guy without a true role (unless of course Hilton is injured and then it becomes obvious his value can rise quicker than anyone else's).

I still don't understand the Colts taking Dorsett. They had other needs and this was a bit of a luxury. It can definitely benefit them if they need to call in the hedged bet but, as it stands with a healthy team, Moncrief if the less-inspiring but more steady guy in this mix while Dorsett is the more boom-or-bust guy with much higher possible return.

It was a bit of luxury pick but they had a lot of questions when they drafted him:

- Will Hilton re-sign at a reasonable price?

- Does AJ have anything left?

- Will Moncrief keep developing?

- Should they re-sign Fleener and Allen?

Worst case for the Colts is Hilton, Fleener, and Allen all leave, AJ looks washed up, and Moncrief plateaus. Without Dorsett they are suddenly looking weak at receiver.

I don't really see it that way, but just my opinion.

Hilton could have been tagged and I really never saw anything from the COlts that indicated they aren't willing to work in good faith with their players.

Aj is far from washed up. People who really think that just haven't paid attention to the hell he has lived through in terms of QB and offensive philosophy the past few years.

I never saw anything from Moncrief last year that made me think he was anywhere close to peaked. He always looked promising to me. Again, just my opinion.

I guess when you figure out Luck, Hilton, etc, where Carter fits in if he does, then you have the decisions to make with the TEs. I don't know the answer to that one but it is a nice problem for the COlts to have so, overall, I don't think by any means they made that pick because they were worried about scarcity of available play-makers. I think they just got caught up in the rut of a particular way of thinking at the time. Something told them to go that way over LB, Lineman, other areas they really NEEDED. But if it works, it works. Although now, it looks like more of a luxury than ever.

Obviously the Colts saw it the way I do because they drafted Dorsett. Teams are looking years down the road and taking contracts into consideration.

They could have franchised Hilton, but they also have to throw a lot of money at Luck. I never said AJ was washed up, but he has shown signs of decline and will be 35 next season. Moncrief looks like he's going to continue to improve, however some guys stall out.

I am not a Dorsett owner and have nothing vested in how he does. This is just the way I see the Colts decision to draft him. At worst he's a tremendous deep threat as a #3 and at best he beats out Moncrief to eventually replace AJ.

 

[Faust]

Colts' T.Y. Hilton must learn to beat teams that limit deep passes:

http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/13099/next-for-the-colts-t-y-hilton-figuring-out-ways-to-beat-teams-who-limit-the-deep-ball

 

[cstu]

Colts' T.Y. Hilton must learn to beat teams that limit deep passes:

http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/13099/next-for-the-colts-t-y-hilton-figuring-out-ways-to-beat-teams-who-limit-the-deep-ball

Hilton watched both games against the Patriots last season -- probably countless times -- and what he saw was two, sometimes three, defenders in his area the majority of the game. That’s a sign of respect for Hilton. But respect doesn’t help win football games.

If he's being double and triple teamed then someone else should be wide open.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

.Kevin Bowen‏@KBowenColts 4h4 hours ago

Chuck Pagano says T.Y. Hilton is under the concussion protocol. Was evaluated after the game.

 

[mquinnjr]

.Kevin Bowen‏@KBowenColts 4h4 hours ago

Chuck Pagano says T.Y. Hilton is under the concussion protocol. Was evaluated after the game.

Get better soon, T.Y.

 

[Faust]

Colts' T.Y. Hilton leaves game after injuring knee:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000529071/article/colts-ty-hilton-leaves-game-to-get-xrays-on-knee

 

[Faust]

Report: Colts WR T.Y. Hilton likely 'out a few weeks' with knee injury

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25300835/report-colts-wr-ty-hilton-likely-out-a-few-weeks-with-knee-injury

 

[3nOut]

Latest reports are that he's day to day. But with him not playing until Monday night, do you risk him being a game time decision and possibly getting zero points in that spot?

 

[zed2283]

Is it time we fix the thread title to his actual name, please?

 

[LawFitz]

Is it time we fix the thread title to his actual name, please?

I don't think people would recognize a thread titled Eugene Hilton.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Is Hilton really a good trade target?

i keep reading/hearing about Moncrief being this great WW add, or trade target, but Hilton could be back in a couple weeks, right?

Or no?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13657828/ty-hilton-indianapolis-colts-day-day-left-knee-injury

 

[theToes]

Is he day to day or is he going to miss a few games?

I was just offered a trade that included Hilton but not sure if I should pull the trigger with his health up in the air.

Any new news from Indy homers?

 

[cstu]

Is it time we fix the thread title to his actual name, please?

I don't think people would recognize a thread titled Eugene Hilton.

How about Eugene "T.Y." Hilton?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What.... Does the T.Y. stand for then?

 

[LawFitz]

What.... Does the T.Y. stand for then?

Nothing. His dad's name is Ty so he started going by T.Y. "after" his dad.

"Ty Hilton" title is apt.

 

[Jack White]

Is he day to day or is he going to miss a few games?

I was just offered a trade that included Hilton but not sure if I should pull the trigger with his health up in the air.

Any new news from Indy homers?

What are the details of the trade?

I would try to get him if I were you. No structural damage.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

So, I know some people are pumping up Moncreif, but Dorsett is Hilton's direct backup and Luck probably just put the worst game he'll have this season behind him. Should Dorsett owners be rolling him out as a solid flex option if Hilton misses time?

 

[theToes]

Is he day to day or is he going to miss a few games?

I was just offered a trade that included Hilton but not sure if I should pull the trigger with his health up in the air.

Any new news from Indy homers?

What are the details of the trade?

I would try to get him if I were you. No structural damage.

It's a PPR superflex league with some unusual starting requirements. I can start as many as 5wrs and don't have to start an rb or te

I give Abdullah, Gore and Fitz

I get Hilton, Morris and Vjax

If I did the deal my starting 5 wrs would be Antonio Brown, Aj Green, Deandre Hopkins, Hilton, and Amari or Vjax.

I'd still have Martin Sproles and Gurley to go along with Morris at rb.

 

[theToes]

Is he day to day or is he going to miss a few games?

I was just offered a trade that included Hilton but not sure if I should pull the trigger with his health up in the air.

Any new news from Indy homers?

What are the details of the trade?

I would try to get him if I were you. No structural damage.

It's a PPR superflex league with some unusual starting requirements. I can start as many as 5wrs and don't have to start an rb or te

I give Abdullah, Gore and Fitz

I get Hilton, Morris and Vjax

If I did the deal my starting 5 wrs would be Antonio Brown, Aj Green, Deandre Hopkins, Hilton, and Amari or Vjax.

I'd still have Martin Sproles and Gurley to go along with Morris at rb.

shameless bump for the AM crowd. I know it's more of an AC post but I have to make a decision soon and was just looking for opionions

 

[packer_junkie]

id take the almo/hilton side

 

[Shutout]

Maybe I am missing something but it seems odd that his injury is "only a bruise" and yet he may miss a game or more.

Don't you think there are a lot of guys with bruises on their knees and elbows right now?

Don't you think the 0-1 Colts would be thinking they really need this one? Before their bye, they have a 4 game run that includes Patriots, Saints, Panthers and Broncos. If they start out slow, there is a very real chance this is a 3-6 team in 2 months.

The way teams guard information like it was Fort Knox gold these days, this smells more like "keep info from the opponent" than it does a legit injury. I think if we hear that Hilton gets in some "limited" work in practice this week, he plays Monday.

On a side soapbox, I really wish the NFL would take some of their Pitchfork and burning torch energy and put it into compelling teams to be more upfront with the status of their teams. Its obviously a nightmare for a guy that plays fantasy and has to deal with Thursday and Monday games but even if I were "just" a diehard fan who lived and died by the success and failures of my favorite team, I would really appreciate to know all week leading up to a big game if my QB or RB or star WR is going to be available.

 

[Squintz82]

Maybe I am missing something but it seems odd that his injury is "only a bruise" and yet he may miss a game or more.

Don't you think there are a lot of guys with bruises on their knees and elbows right now?

Don't you think the 0-1 Colts would be thinking they really need this one? Before their bye, they have a 4 game run that includes Patriots, Saints, Panthers and Broncos. If they start out slow, there is a very real chance this is a 3-6 team in 2 months.

The way teams guard information like it was Fort Knox gold these days, this smells more like "keep info from the opponent" than it does a legit injury. I think if we hear that Hilton gets in some "limited" work in practice this week, he plays Monday.

On a side soapbox, I really wish the NFL would take some of their Pitchfork and burning torch energy and put it into compelling teams to be more upfront with the status of their teams. Its obviously a nightmare for a guy that plays fantasy and has to deal with Thursday and Monday games but even if I were "just" a diehard fan who lived and died by the success and failures of my favorite team, I would really appreciate to know all week leading up to a big game if my QB or RB or star WR is going to be available.

Bruises aren't always tissue related. Could be a bone bruise. Also comes with swelling which has to be managed. After getting paid, they are likely being cautious with him.

 

[Shutout]

Maybe I am missing something but it seems odd that his injury is "only a bruise" and yet he may miss a game or more.

Don't you think there are a lot of guys with bruises on their knees and elbows right now?

Don't you think the 0-1 Colts would be thinking they really need this one? Before their bye, they have a 4 game run that includes Patriots, Saints, Panthers and Broncos. If they start out slow, there is a very real chance this is a 3-6 team in 2 months.

The way teams guard information like it was Fort Knox gold these days, this smells more like "keep info from the opponent" than it does a legit injury. I think if we hear that Hilton gets in some "limited" work in practice this week, he plays Monday.

On a side soapbox, I really wish the NFL would take some of their Pitchfork and burning torch energy and put it into compelling teams to be more upfront with the status of their teams. Its obviously a nightmare for a guy that plays fantasy and has to deal with Thursday and Monday games but even if I were "just" a diehard fan who lived and died by the success and failures of my favorite team, I would really appreciate to know all week leading up to a big game if my QB or RB or star WR is going to be available.

Bruises aren't always tissue related. Could be a bone bruise. Also comes with swelling which has to be managed. After getting paid, they are likely being cautious with him.

I guess that makes more sense, although I'd hate to be the guy in the NFL that was (O) bruise

I guess it just looked odd to me after thinking of guys that played with their mouths wired shut, missing parts of fingers, cracked ribs, etc. But, for a WR, I guess you can't be too careful with knees and feet.

 

[cstu]

I guess that makes more sense, although I'd hate to be the guy in the NFL that was (O) bruise

I guess it just looked odd to me after thinking of guys that played with their mouths wired shut, missing parts of fingers, cracked ribs, etc. But, for a WR, I guess you can't be too careful with knees and feet.

Are Bone Bruises the Same As Fractures?

Medically speaking, the symptoms of bone bruises and fractures are very similar. Both include significant pain and swelling. A soft tissue bruise may clear up in a matter of days, but a bone bruise generally takes weeks to months to heal. Blood and fluids can pool in the adjacent soft tissues or even spread into the joint, affecting muscle function. “Because of the attachments of the muscle on the bone, and the irritation and inflammation in the bone, the muscle cannot contract appropriately,” the Epoch Times explains.

- See more at: http://healingfeet.com/sports/minnesota-wilds-zach-parises-early-return-sets-back-exacerbated-foot-injury#sthash.75EO9uv5.dpuf

 

[zed2283]

Is it time we fix the thread title to his actual name, please?

I don't think people would recognize a thread titled Eugene Hilton.

How about Eugene "T.Y." Hilton?

Anything is better than Ty.

 

[17seconds]

Looking more likely that he'll play but still dicey.

I might start him because I started CJ Anderson and also a Kelce owner so I need to swing for the fences at this point.

 

[kwille]

I'd sit him unless you're completely desperate or have viable Monday night option. Banged-up+Revis=sad banana.

 

[Air Stich]

Oh god.. I love TY, but I wish he was sitting. No way I can plan on starting him Monday night.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'm glad to have Dorsett ready just in case TY is a last minute scratch. All signs look positive that he's got a good chance to start. I've got safer Sunday options, but nobody with Hilton's upside.

 

[Squintz82]

He's starting because they need someone to take Revis away. I can't imagine he'll be 100%. I'm sitting him.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Jets are not a dandy matchup anyway, this could be a tough game.

 

[cstu]

Thoughts on Moncrief and Dorsett going forward?

Competing for the #2 slot once AJ retires. Both could have good fantasy value in this offense.

I see Moncrief as the more interesting player that brings something different and Dorsett as more the guy without a true role (unless of course Hilton is injured and then it becomes obvious his value can rise quicker than anyone else's).

I still don't understand the Colts taking Dorsett. They had other needs and this was a bit of a luxury. It can definitely benefit them if they need to call in the hedged bet but, as it stands with a healthy team, Moncrief if the less-inspiring but more steady guy in this mix while Dorsett is the more boom-or-bust guy with much higher possible return.

It was a bit of luxury pick but they had a lot of questions when they drafted him:

- Will Hilton re-sign at a reasonable price?

- Does AJ have anything left?

- Will Moncrief keep developing?

- Should they re-sign Fleener and Allen?

Worst case for the Colts is Hilton, Fleener, and Allen all leave, AJ looks washed up, and Moncrief plateaus. Without Dorsett they are suddenly looking weak at receiver.

I don't really see it that way, but just my opinion.

Hilton could have been tagged and I really never saw anything from the COlts that indicated they aren't willing to work in good faith with their players.

Aj is far from washed up. People who really think that just haven't paid attention to the hell he has lived through in terms of QB and offensive philosophy the past few years.

I never saw anything from Moncrief last year that made me think he was anywhere close to peaked. He always looked promising to me. Again, just my opinion.

I guess when you figure out Luck, Hilton, etc, where Carter fits in if he does, then you have the decisions to make with the TEs. I don't know the answer to that one but it is a nice problem for the COlts to have so, overall, I don't think by any means they made that pick because they were worried about scarcity of available play-makers. I think they just got caught up in the rut of a particular way of thinking at the time. Something told them to go that way over LB, Lineman, other areas they really NEEDED. But if it works, it works. Although now, it looks like more of a luxury than ever.

AJ looks almost done now and Dorsett got them a W today.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

How much do you downgrade him without Luck?

 

[pghrob]

How much do you downgrade him without Luck?

I was just wondering the same thing. Downgrade maybe by a third of his projected performance? Just throwing that out as a starting conjecture.