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For Hill? I'd say 70-75 catches, 800 yards, and 6-7 TD's. Not anywhere close to the production you need at his ADPRegale us with your projection for this season.
For Hill? I'd say 70-75 catches, 800 yards, and 6-7 TD's. Not anywhere close to the production you need at his ADPRegale us with your projection for this season.
Sure he will get in some gadget plays, but he won't reach his ADP with those. Especially with the top corner on him each week.Yeah because Hill is a terrible option to through a screen pass to. LOLOL
I'll repeat that he put up 60/600/6 last year and only saw limited use in the first 5 weeks. You're basically saying he'll do the exact same thing with full-time work and a year of practice/maturity under his belt.For Hill? I'd say 70-75 catches, 800 yards, and 6-7 TD's. Not anywhere close to the production you need at his ADP
I am not. If I was I would have him projected to be cut.yeah it's interesting you would value a college season over a more recent NFL season. To each his own. I'll take what I saw him do last year in the NFL.
Yes, because he had a lot of luck on big plays that might not happen this year, and he will be the focus of the defense every week, and have the top corner on him each week, vs. a nickel corner.I'll repeat that he put up 60/600/6 last year and only saw limited use in the first 5 weeks. You're basically saying he'll do the exact same thing with full-time work and a year of practice/maturity under his belt.
If you exclude his first 5 games and extrapolate a 16 game season just based on the final 11 weeks, it comes out to 70/736/6 and 31/397/4. I love that upside, really do. My concerns are reasonable though. 12.8 yards per rush and scoring a TD on 13% of his carries are both going to very difficult to come anywhere close to repeating. Without that big rushing production, I worry he's going to end up disappointing.I'll repeat that he put up 60/600/6 last year and only saw limited use in the first 5 weeks. You're basically saying he'll do the exact same thing with full-time work and a year of practice/maturity under his belt.
Cant get him over the top ever with these guys sitting on all this underneath stuff? LolSure he will get in some gadget plays, but he won't reach his ADP with those. Especially with the top corner on him each week.
Have you seen any Alex Smith game film, like ever?Cant get him over the top ever with these guys sitting on all this underneath stuff? Lol
So are you saying it has never happened?Have you seen any Alex Smith game film, like ever?
P.S. Joe, that was meant in a joking way..FYI
No, what I'm saying, is counting on a WR to produce great numbers with ALEX SMITH at QB, is a long shot, especially when they were force to pass more in 2016 than they would have liked. Smith averages like 18 TD's a year. Where are these numbers going to come from. Smith is what he is.So are you saying it has never happened?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000725900/Can-t-Miss-Play-Tyreek-Hill-leaps-for-acrobatic-38-yard-TD-catchNo, what I'm saying, is counting on a WR to produce great numbers with ALEX SMITH at QB, is a long shot, especially when they were force to pass more in 2016 than they would have liked. Smith averages like 18 TD's a year. Where are these numbers going to come from. Smith is what he is.
Are you SERIOUSLY using one play as your argument? It's not like you tube has a highlight reel of all the times Alex Smith checks down, and misses on the rare deep throws he attempts. The guy had 15 TD's last year.
I stand corrected.....here is your hero....the great Alex Smith...future Hall of Fame player (not)It's not like you tube has a highlight reel of all the times Alex Smith checks down, and misses on the rare deep throws he attempts.
Yep lots of check downs to tyreek and then a few bombs. WR can and do make QBs better. Just wanted to show you hes already hit tyreek deep. Alex Smith doesnt help tyreeks deep ball prospects but smith can check down to him all game and he'll deep on occasion.Are you SERIOUSLY using one play as your argument? It's not like you tube has a highlight reel of all the times Alex Smith checks down, and misses on the rare deep throws he attempts. The guy had 15 TD's last year.
Kaepernick had 2 more TD's in 3 fewer games than Alex Smith, and this is the guy your counting on? SCORE BOARD!
Again, how often was Hill covered by the top corner? Hardly ever. His big plays were when he beat a linebacker or nickel corner or safety. If he is going to be the "check-down", who do they have to threaten the defense deep....answer...no one. Do you think their opponents are not going to watch the tape from last year?Yep lots of check downs to tyreek and then a few bombs. WR can a do make QBs better. Just wanted to show you hes already hit tyreek deep. Alex Smith doesnt help tyreeks deep ball prospects but smith can check down to him all game and he'll deep on occasion.
Haha yeah because when the defense plays him for the check down KC can't audible out of that play and use his blazing speed and ability to win jump balls deep down the field.Again, how often was Hill covered by the top corner? Hardly ever. His big plays were when he beat a linebacker or nickel corner or safety. If he is going to be the "check-down", who do they have to threaten the defense deep....answer...no one. Do you think their opponents are not going to watch the tape from last year?
What was that top corner doing last season? Shadowing Albert Wilson down the field?Again, how often was Hill covered by the top corner? Hardly ever. His big plays were when he beat a linebacker or nickel corner or safety. If he is going to be the "check-down", who do they have to threaten the defense deep....answer...no one. Do you think their opponents are not going to watch the tape from last year?
They certainly were not covering the #3 WR, which is what Hill lined up as most of the time. Again, if you WATCH THE TAPE (which I have), most of his big plays are against LB's, Nickel Corners or Safeties. Show me some tape where he beat the #1 corner of the opponent. I doubt you'll find any.What was that top corner doing last season? Shadowing Albert Wilson down the field?
Hill just went 4.04 in my FFPC dynasty startup. 4.05 went A.Jeffrey I'd say Milkman is getting through to some peopleHere is where he is going now based on ADP:
#22 Hill
#23 Crabtree
#24 Bryant
#25 Edelman
#25 Tate
#26 Diggs
#27 Sanders
Give me any of those guys over Hill!
Someone just killed their Dynasty team with that pick.....one back pick does not prove anything.Hill just went 4.04 in my FFPC dynasty startup. 4.05 went A.Jeffrey I'd say Milkman is getting through to some people
I stand corrected on the draft. I was not sure and football guys has -- next to drafted. So, Joe can take the blame for that one . We shall see about the punts. It is very unusual for a #1WR to be the primary punt returner. I'll believe it when I see it, they Chiefs are thin at WR, and have a number of options on the roster for punts.He was drafted in the 5th round, he wasnt an UDFA. Hes also returning punts, he was taken off kickoffs.
Odell Beckham returns punts sometimes. Not as much as early in his career but he still does at times. DeSean Jackson returned kicks and punts for a lot of his career - dont think he does anymore.I stand corrected on the draft. I was not sure and football guys has -- next to drafted. So, Joe can take the blame for that one . We shall see about the punts. It is very unusual for a #1WR to be the primary punt returner. I'll believe it when I see it, they Chiefs are thin at WR, and have a number of options on the roster for punts.
It will be interesting to see if Hill is the primary PR or if it will be like OBJ where he returns like 10 a year when they are in critical points in games.Odell Beckham returns punts sometimes. Not as much as early in his career but he still does at times. DeSean Jackson returned kicks and punts for a lot of his career - dont think he does anymore.
Antonio Brown & Ty Hilton are the same size. KC had a 58/42 pass : run mix in 2016. HTH. Don't piss in the pool.Your relying on a under-sized WR, moving into a #1WR role for the first time, on a run-first offense with Alex "I can't see 20 yards downfield" Smith....good luck with that
You do know that there are several UDFA in the HOF, right? Kurt Warner will be getting his gold jacket soon as a matter of fact. Bayliss quality hot take, do your homework.Crickets...I guess that is what happens when you put up some facts, that take the HOT AIR out of the sails of those that don't do their homework.
Hill was UDFA for a reason. Yes he is a great returner, and gadget player, which is what he should be used for. He is NOT a #1 WR, and if you draft him in the top 30 WR's your going to regret it.
Plus he wasn't an UDFA.You do know that there are several UDFA in the HOF, right? Kurt Warner will be getting his gold jacket soon as a matter of fact. Bayliss quality hot take, do your homework.
I already corrected this, as I said his FBG profile has him as -- for drafted, an error. Even FBG's is not perfectPlus he wasn't an UDFA.
KC threw the ball 578 times last year which was 8th lowest in the NFL. They threw 473 times in 2015, 3rd lowest in NFL. I think they want to be slow paced and throw very little, but I am not sure they will be able do that in 2017.Antonio Brown & Ty Hilton are the same size. KC had a 58/42 pass : run mix in 2016. HTH. Don't piss in the pool.
We get it. You need proof.hoffman0001 said:I still am waiting for any film proof that T. Hill has been defended by and beaten a #1 Corner in the NFL. Most of his plays were made against inferior corners and/or LB's. He will be facing the #1 corner of his opponent each week and he has come quality corners on the schedule.
Extrapolation is considered a poor use of statistics.We get it. You need proof.
But there here are two types of people in this world- Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
The coaching staff had an entire offseason to build plays for this kid...they didn't know what they had last year.It's about usage for me, not ability. If he is used in the passing game, he can really put up some numbers. That he got no catches in weeks 15 and 16 is worrying.
Okay...Extrapolation is considered a poor use of statistics.
He also had a 9 and 10 catch game......It's about usage for me, not ability. If he is used in the passing game, he can really put up some numbers. That he got no catches in weeks 15 and 16 is worrying.
Yes, by mid-season you'll be quoting me as being 100% right, and cursing your teams that have a hole at your #2 WR, because we wasted a pick on Hill. The hooded SITH LORD has had the whole summer to prepare for week #1 and will show the league how to shut down hill. you can QUOTE me on that.This Hoffman guy is going to be so fun to quote this year. I love people who are so sure about their opinion.
Whatever...I've been around since 2001. take your attitude and shove it. I'll see you here after week #1, where Hill gives you a bunch of nothingHoff will just disappear. They all do.....
Yea the Patriots may shut down Hill. Doubt other teams can replicate it easily. Don't worry I will quote you, it definitely won't be for being correct though.Yes, by mid-season you'll be quoting me as being 100% right, and cursing your teams that have a hole at your #2 WR, because we wasted a pick on Hill. The hooded SITH LORD has had the whole summer to prepare for week #1 and will show the league how to shut down hill. you can QUOTE me on that.
Whatever, I'll bet you and the rest were all over A. Hurns and J. Matthews last summer. Keep over-paying for flash in the pan playersYea the Patriots may shut down Hill. Doubt other teams can replicate it easily. Don't worry I will quote you, it definitely won't be for being correct though.
I fully support Milkman being in trouble for his superior "they all do" attitude. I simple replied to his nastiness. Narrow-minded "I'm the king of the board, everyone else is wrong comments are not healthy. Respect me and I respect you, dismiss me as being "they" and I can react.How do we send out the bat signal for board rules enforcement again?
I'm not sure it works that way. But good luck.I fully support Milkman being in trouble for his superior "they all do" attitude. I simple replied to his nastiness. Narrow-minded "I'm the king of the board, everyone else is wrong comments are not healthy. Respect me and I respect you, dismiss me as being "they" and I can react.
It works both ways my friend. He is rude to me and I responded. You # of posts does give you a free pass to be nasty and rude.I'm not sure it works that way. But good luck.