Yet another Pitt Bull attack (3 Viewers)

[steelerfan1]

The safest solution is BSL.

you do realize that there's a good chance your neighbor will just go out and get another big breed of dog that makes you uneasy?

 

[comfortably numb]

Wish i had a vicious beaver bite me once in awhile.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Nope, not my issue or concern. My immediate concern is with the pit bull living next door to my 5 year old. Feel free to share other viscous dog stories, if you'd like.

So what has he done that was vicious? You mentioned jumping on people and growling when in his crate. That's it? You want to execute the dog for that? 

 

[jomar]

They just moved in about just a little over a year ago so it's unlikely that they will move in. They have a pit / lab mix. I am uneasy with him, but at the same time, could possibly warm up to him. The pure pit is my issue.

Ironically, we purchased the house for $350k, which was a family discount. And, it's one of the more affluent areas of central Ohio - growth is tremendous. It's not like some white trash person will move in if they move out.

hypothetically speaking, what would you do?

 

[beavers]

so, how many of this breed have you been around to base your conclusion? it's not genetic, or should I say was not genetic. now if you have a bad dog and concentrate on that specific dogs bad trait and continue doing so, then I guess you could say those are genetic. I believe if genedoc who was still here, who is far more intelligent than I am, which isn't saying much, could chime in on this further.

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. it doesn't sound like a good environment for all involved. if it were me, I would express my concern to your neighbor, who it appears you have some type of relationship with, since you're over their house. I always try the communication line first, but not sure how your comfort level is with that? 

I moved recently from the city of Columbus and my friend and her partner rescued and owned pit bulls. They too, are pit advocates. One day they posted a pic of their newly adopted kitten, Katniss Everdeen. We met up with them for lunch one day ... I said "how's Katniss doing? She's the cutest kitten ever!" You know what happened to Katniss??!! Katniss died. One of the pit bulls they rescued killed Katniss. That same pit bull bit one of his owner in the ###. Needless to say, we never visited again, once my daughter was born. The dog was aggressive, and even at one point, they thought they were going to have to put it down.

Secondly, I'm not sure what to do at the moment with the neighbors. We're super stoked to have neighbors, and especially since they have kids. They love craft beer (we do too) and we feel we could really get along with them. At the same time ... We are lesbians. I am discriminating against a dog, but at the same time, I don't care as I will do anything to protect my daughter. I don't feel appropriate heading to their house and saying "Um, I don't like your dog." They could very well say "um, I don't like your lifestyle." (They do have a confederate flag hanging in their garage).

At this point, we considered a story about being attacked by a pit at a very young age and say that our daughter could not visit in the house or be around the dog.

 

[beavers]

you do realize that there's a good chance your neighbor will just go out and get another big breed of dog that makes you uneasy?

I thought about that, and I will bring up that point to the township.

 

[beavers]

hypothetically speaking, what would you do?

Get rid of the dog.

 

[beavers]

So what has he done that was vicious? You mentioned jumping on people and growling when in his crate. That's it? You want to execute the dog for that? 

It only takes once. Many of loving pits have turned on their own family ...

 

[Cliff Clavin]

It only takes once. Many of loving pits have turned on their own family ...

So this dog hasn't done anything vicious but you still want to kill it? 

 

[steelerfan1]

I thought about that, and I will bring up that point to the township.

then you basically should say to the township, I propose a ban on all breeds over 25 pounds and just be done with it.

 

[beavers]

So this dog hasn't done anything vicious but you still want to kill it? 

If he dies, so be it.

But, when did I say to kill it? I said get rid of it ... give the dog to an owner who can control it ... Where it has a chance to succeed, away from young children.

 

[beavers]

then you basically should say to the township, I propose a ban on all breeds over 25 pounds and just be done with it.

No. Pit bulls however, are the leading cause of dog attack fatalities.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If he dies, so be it.

But, when did I say to kill it? I said get rid of it ... give the dog to an owner who can control it ... Where it has a chance to succeed, away from young children.

actually, the safest solution would be to eliminate all viscous dogs from the face of the earth.

 

[The Captain]

Or I could just go about it civilly and try to push change within the legal limits of the law.

You could but Trump would be more fun.

 

[beavers]

Well ... there's that.

If this dog is eliminated, so be it. This is a general statement made and I stand behind it. For a compromise and hope for my neighbors, I would love for this dog to go to a new owner ... Away from my family.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Well ... there's that.

If this dog is eliminated, so be it. This is a general statement made and I stand behind it. For a compromise and hope for my neighbors, I would love for this dog to go to a new owner ... Away from my family.

You sure have a lot of blood lust against something that hasn't caused anybody harm. 

 

[sublimeone]

This thread is a perfect illustration of the phrase, “Humans see what they want to see.” 

 

[beavers]

You sure have a lot of blood lust against something that hasn't caused anybody harm. 

You could but Trump would be more fun.

I will do anything to protect my daughter from an increased risk of injury or death. If I didn't have a kid, I wouldn't care about the dog.

 

[steelerfan1]

I moved recently from the city of Columbus and my friend and her partner rescued and owned pit bulls. They too, are pit advocates. One day they posted a pic of their newly adopted kitten, Katniss Everdeen. We met up with them for lunch one day ... I said "how's Katniss doing? She's the cutest kitten ever!" You know what happened to Katniss??!! Katniss died. One of the pit bulls they rescued killed Katniss. That same pit bull bit one of his owner in the ###. Needless to say, we never visited again, once my daughter was born. The dog was aggressive, and even at one point, they thought they were going to have to put it down.

Secondly, I'm not sure what to do at the moment with the neighbors. We're super stoked to have neighbors, and especially since they have kids. They love craft beer (we do too) and we feel we could really get along with them. At the same time ... We are lesbians. I am discriminating against a dog, but at the same time, I don't care as I will do anything to protect my daughter. I don't feel appropriate heading to their house and saying "Um, I don't like your dog." They could very well say "um, I don't like your lifestyle." (They do have a confederate flag hanging in their garage).

At this point, we considered a story about being attacked by a pit at a very young age and say that our daughter could not visit in the house or be around the dog.

if the dog had aggressive tendencies and bit a person viscously and not a quick fear bite where there was a chance for rehab it most definitely should have been put down.

if the dog hasn't shown signs of aggression, then yes you are discriminating against it. it doesn't sound like you're dealing with a drug dealing thug type scenario, just people uneducated about being a proper dog owner and getting a breed they probably shouldn't own because of that.

I wouldn't start the conversation off with I don't like your dog as now you've just put them on the defensive. try explaining your concerns in a respectful way and see where that goes. you may be relieved and surprised. 

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I will do anything to protect my daughter from an increased risk of injury or death. If I didn't have a kid, I wouldn't care about the dog.

Does she wear a helmet everywhere she goes? Head trauma is among the leading causes of death to children. I must assume that she does since that would protect your daughter from an increased risk of injury or death. 

Or maybe you just want to execute a dog

 

[steelerfan1]

No. Pit bulls however, are the leading cause of dog attack fatalities.

yes, but then you said you would address the big dog issue as well, so obviously that would mean another breed of dog as well, no? 

 

[steelerfan1]

It only takes once. Many of loving pits have turned on their own family ...

and if we're being honest there were probably some signs of something going on with that dog that the family ignored out of their love for their pet instead of addressing the matter and maybe having to make an unpleasant choice..

 

[beavers]

if the dog had aggressive tendencies and bit a person viscously and not a quick fear bite where there was a chance for rehab it most definitely should have been put down.

if the dog hasn't shown signs of aggression, then yes you are discriminating against it. it doesn't sound like you're dealing with a drug dealing thug type scenario, just people uneducated about being a proper dog owner and getting a breed they probably shouldn't own because of that.

I wouldn't start the conversation off with I don't like your dog as now you've just put them on the defensive. try explaining your concerns in a respectful way and see where that goes. you may be relieved and surprised. 

You're exactly spot on. They aren't drug dealing thugs who want a trophy dog. Her comment when I first met her and she introduced me to the dogs was "we have had a lab / pit mix for 3 years now so we adopted a full pit because our lab / pit mix has been so loving. He likes to jump on people, and I think the people who we adopted from stated his age is much older than he his, because he runs / jumps like a puppy and he tries to get out." The boy then chimed in with "this dog is crazy, so crazy."

 

[beavers]

Does she wear a helmet everywhere she goes? Head trauma is among the leading causes of death to children. I must assume that she does since that would protect your daughter from an increased risk of injury or death. 

Or maybe you just want to execute a dog

No, but if she's riding a bike she will wear a helmet. In fact, I'm a cyclist so I am aware of the risks of a severe head injury and wearing a helmet reduces that risk.

 

[beavers]

yes, but then you said you would address the big dog issue as well, so obviously that would mean another breed of dog as well, no? 

They have a pit / lab mix. I've said several times throughout this conversation that I could warm  up to that dog. He's a large dog, and half viscous.

 

[Warsteinner]

Fixed.

http://atts.org/breed-statistics/

if you go on this mission and go in order you're going to eliminate a #### ton of breeds before you get to the pit. 

 

[Cliff Clavin]

No, but if she's riding a bike she will wear a helmet. In fact, I'm a cyclist so I am aware of the risks of a severe head injury and wearing a helmet reduces that risk.

About 1500 people die a year from falling down stairs. How many from dogs? 

Not forcing your child to wear a helmet when using the stairs is putting her at a much higher risk of death than your neighbours dog. So no, you are not doing everything to prevent your daughter from increased injury or death. You just want to murder this dog over your irrational fear.

 

[beavers]

http://atts.org/breed-statistics/

if you go on this mission and go in order you're going to eliminate a #### ton of breeds before you get to the pit. 

Your argument is no different, and it has no impact on me changing my mind. There are several statistics that prove that the pit bulls are the most lethal:

Together, pit bulls (28) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 91% of the total recorded deaths in 2015. This same combination also accounted for 76% of all fatal attacks during the 11-year period of 2005 to 2015.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php

 

[steelerfan1]

you do realize that there's a good chance your neighbor will just go out and get another big breed of dog that makes you uneasy?

I thought about that, and I will bring up that point to the township.

then what point are you going to bring to the township here? I may be misunderstanding you, but I take that as if they go out and get another big potentially mean dog that you will try to make them get rid of that as well.

 

[Warsteinner]

Your argument is no different, and it has no impact on me changing my mind. There are several statistics that prove that the pit bulls are the most lethal:

Together, pit bulls (28) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 91% of the total recorded deaths in 2015. This same combination also accounted for 76% of all fatal attacks during the 11-year period of 2005 to 2015.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php

28 out of how many pits in this country? Why not break it down for human demographics? 

 

[beavers]

About 1500 people die a year from falling down stairs. How many from dogs? 

Not forcing your child to wear a helmet when using the stairs is putting her at a much higher risk of death than your neighbours dog. So no, you are not doing everything to prevent your daughter from increased injury or death. You just want to murder this dog over your irrational fear.

Irrational fear?

Fact: Pit bulls lead bite counts across US Cities and Counties.

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2009/07/pit-bulls-lead-bite-counts-across-us.html

Port Huron, Michigan
In January 2016, after the back-to-back fatal pit bull attacks of 22-year old Rebecca Hardy in Port Huron and 4-year old Xavier Strickland in Detroit, The Times Herald published dog bite statistics for Port Huron, a city with about 30,000 people. In 2014, pit bulls were responsible for over half of all dog bites in the city. There were 61 reported dog bites in 2014, and 33 of those were inflicted by pit bulls. This is in contrast to the city of Toronto, a population of 2.6 million people, where pit bulls only inflicted 13 bites in 2014. The Province of Ontario adopted a pit bull ban in 2005. Since this time, attacks inflicted by pit bulls in Toronto, Ontario's largest city, have dropped by 92%.

 

[beavers]

About 1500 people die a year from falling down stairs. How many from dogs? 

Not forcing your child to wear a helmet when using the stairs is putting her at a much higher risk of death than your neighbours dog. So no, you are not doing everything to prevent your daughter from increased injury or death. You just want to murder this dog over your irrational fear.

Well, looks like I'm in luck then. Good thing the new house is a ranch!

 

[Cliff Clavin]

But you're not going to put a helmet on her for walking down stairs even though she is more likely to die doing so. Why not?

 

[beavers]

then what point are you going to bring to the township here? I may be misunderstanding you, but I take that as if they go out and get another big potentially mean dog that you will try to make them get rid of that as well.

I am taking one step at a time. Focusing on the issue at hand. I highly doubt they're going to start a neighbor war ... See my post above about the surrounding land.

 

[steelerfan1]

You're exactly spot on. They aren't drug dealing thugs who want a trophy dog. Her comment when I first met her and she introduced me to the dogs was "we have had a lab / pit mix for 3 years now so we adopted a full pit because our lab / pit mix has been so loving. He likes to jump on people, and I think the people who we adopted from stated his age is much older than he his, because he runs / jumps like a puppy and he tries to get out." The boy then chimed in with "this dog is crazy, so crazy."

then try to explain your side of the story to them. bring over a few of their/your and your significant others favorite craft beers, sit down and air your concerns in an adult manner. if that doesn't work you can always look back and say you tried.   

 

[beavers]

28 out of how many pits in this country? Why not break it down for human demographics? 

You can definitely look online, as there are many, many statistics. I have no time to prove to you why I am pushing for a BSL in my township. You're an advocate, and I'm not. Neither of us will change our minds on this issue.

 

[beavers]

then try to explain your side of the story to them. bring over a few of their/your and your significant others favorite craft beers, sit down and air your concerns in an adult manner. if that doesn't work you can always look back and say you tried.   

Fair enough and most likely what I will do. I'm trying to be patient, and let things evolve. Our remodel will be done soon, so hopefully the dog gets hit by a car before then

 

[Cliff Clavin]

http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.ca/2009/04/odds-of-dying-again.html#.VuhdFXarTcs

Interesting. Odds of dying from a fall, 1 in 217. Odds of dying from a dog attack, 1 in 208, 000. But she doesn't where a helmet? That is damn near negligent of you to ignore that while trying to murder your neighbours dog.

 

[Warsteinner]

I am taking one step at a time. Focusing on the issue at hand. I highly doubt they're going to start a neighbor war ... See my post above about the surrounding land.

Moving into a community and starting a pissing match always starts a war. Especially when you're afraid of the dog and afraid to talk to them. Sneaking to tell on them is a vag move. Sorry. 

 

[Cliff Clavin]

The odds of dying from cycling are 1 in 5000. Perhaps you and her should stop cycling. Why do you purposely increase your daughters chance of death?  

 

[steelerfan1]

Fair enough and most likely what I will do. I'm trying to be patient, and let things evolve. Our remodel will be done soon, so hopefully the dog gets hit by a car before then

yes, probably by your other neighbor who happens to drive drunk

 

[Warsteinner]

Ha, yeah who knows. I've heard one dog was killed on the road recently ... so there is hope.

Karma is a mother####er. I'd hate to be your child crossing the street. 

 

[beavers]

Karma is a mother####er. I'd hate to be your child crossing the street. 

Wow.

 

[Warsteinner]

Wow.

You're the one inappropriately wishing death upon ones pet. 

 

[beavers]

You're the one inappropriately wishing death upon ones pet. 

Wow.

 

[beavers]

Then how have you seen their pit in the crate more than once? and the little dog that bit your daughter's lip? that wasn't you that posted that?

I've seen the dog in the crate twice. The first time is when I first met the neighbors. The second time is when my partner met the neighbors.

The little dog who bit my daughter was two distant friends who we rarely see.

 

[Chaka]

... it only takes one time.

Do you make all decisions in your life based on that logic?

 

[Chaka]

Depends on the situation.

Let's start with all the ones with chance greater than or equal to 8.78e-8 of killing you or your child.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Again, we are purchasing a ranch house. So, her risk of falling down a set of stairs is reduced.

And, your statics mean nothing - it's apples to oranges. What is the demographic of stair fatalities? What age?

Most pit bull attacks are against young children, between the ages of 5-10.

i think you should just wrap your daughter in bubble wrap and leave her locked in a room where nothing could ever happen to her...just in case 

 

[Card Trader]

Karma is a mother####er. I'd hate to be your child crossing the street. 

Seriously?  These are dogs...not humans. The more of these ticking time bombs that get eliminated the better.