DJackson10
Footballguy
This is why I think we need legalized abortions and free contraception so idiots like this can't breath or be in this world.Good ol' Darwin strikes again.
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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (2 Viewers)
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Thorn
Footballguy
It's whining to suggest we should prevent children from dying? Mmmmk.
Also for the millionth time, yes any dog can bite, but with 98% of breeds, the worst case scenario after a bite is a hospital trip for some stitches, with pit bulls it's a trip to the morgue. The breed it too strong and persistent to be around children.
Chaka
Footballguy
It is surprising to me that people who are seemingly knowledgeable about pit bulls are also seemingly dismissive regarding their method of attack.
Virtually all non-bully (and non-bully adjacent) breeds snap and release, bullies latch and shake which causes far, far more damage. I really have no problem with pit bulls, I have defended them many times in this thread, but it is an incredibly significant difference that should not be dismissed or ignored in this discussion.
They are simply more dangerous in how they attack, that is a highly significant and entirely undeniable fact.
Chaka
Footballguy
This is also true and you shouldn't roll your eyes at it. It is not the breeds fault and often the problems arise due to PoS owners who don't know what the hell they're doing or what their dogs are capable of.But it’s not the breeds fault, it’s just bad owners.
It really isn't that pit bulls are more aggressive or likely to attack, it's the way they attack and the damage they are more likely to inflict than other non-bully breeds.
Fault was probably not the correct terminology I was going for. It’s absolutelty the breed’s genetic makeup that plays the most significant factor in the carnage that a pit bull attack often results in. Add a careless or neglectful owner into the equation and the results are increasingly terrifying.
How about this? But it’s not the breed’s genetic makeup at fault, it’s just bad owners.
Chaka
Footballguy
In so much as the breed's "genetic makeup" leads to latch-and-shake biting behavior (as it does with most bully breeds). But that is not the same as saying that their "genetic disposition" leads to more aggressive or anti-social behavior which there is not much, if any, evidence to support.Fault was probably not the correct terminology I was going for. It’s absolutelty the breed’s genetic makeup that plays the most significant factor in the carnage that a pit bull attack often results in. Add a careless or neglectful owner into the equation and the results are increasingly terrifying.
How about this? But it’s not the breed’s genetic makeup at fault, it’s just bad owners.
They aren't more prone to bite they simply cause far more damage when they do. It's an important distinction and it makes the debate more difficult. If they were just ######## I would be all for getting rid of them but they're not ######## in greater proportion than any other breed of dog which makes it much more difficult to justify their extinction.
Leaving a young child unsupervised with almost any dog is a bad idea.Fault was probably not the correct terminology I was going for. It’s absolutelty the breed’s genetic makeup that plays the most significant factor in the carnage that a pit bull attack often results in. Add a careless or neglectful owner into the equation and the results are increasingly terrifying.
How about this? But it’s not the breed’s genetic makeup at fault, it’s just bad owners.
It's almost like leaving them alone with knives or Tide pods.
Right?
Bad parenting and bad dog ownership?
Right?
Otis
Footballguy
Much like the Tiger Woods thread, another thread where people continue to be completely blind to reality.
https://apple.news/A0xjkO63TSBa64jKTtejQGQ
https://apple.news/A0xjkO63TSBa64jKTtejQGQ
Agreed. That mother was "blind to reality" by allowing her young kid near three powerful dogs like that which weren't even her own.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Do you complain about them in real life as much as you do here? Are you doing anything in real life to try to solve the "problem"?
Won't pretend to know a whole hell of a lot about dogs, yep...don't.
I just know growing up here in central Cali anytime we heard of something bad about a dog most the time it was the pit bull. I do know I;m not really afraid of dogs but would be if I saw a pit eyeing me.
Then there is this...
But critics say that pit bulls are inherently dangerous no matter how they're treated, because violence is in their DNA. ... “Pit bulls were specifically bred to go into that pit with incredible aggression and fight.”Jun 20, 2014
I was always under the impression that above was how it was.
I do know some thuggish type guys, their dog of choice, the pit bull.
There is a fight on youtube between a Rottweiler and a pit, the pit finally gets a good bite on the neck, that's it. He doesn't let off until the Rott is dead.
Do we really need these dogs, why?
Anytime we see....most dangerous, aggresive, etc we see this.
Which is the most dangerous dog?
The 14 most often blacklisted dog breeds were:
Pit Bull Terriers.
Staffordshire Terriers.
Rottweilers.
German Shepherds.
Presa Canarios.
Chows Chows.
Doberman Pinschers.
Akitas.
If not number one in the top three.
I just know growing up here in central Cali anytime we heard of something bad about a dog most the time it was the pit bull. I do know I;m not really afraid of dogs but would be if I saw a pit eyeing me.
Then there is this...
But critics say that pit bulls are inherently dangerous no matter how they're treated, because violence is in their DNA. ... “Pit bulls were specifically bred to go into that pit with incredible aggression and fight.”Jun 20, 2014
I was always under the impression that above was how it was.
I do know some thuggish type guys, their dog of choice, the pit bull.
There is a fight on youtube between a Rottweiler and a pit, the pit finally gets a good bite on the neck, that's it. He doesn't let off until the Rott is dead.
Do we really need these dogs, why?
Anytime we see....most dangerous, aggresive, etc we see this.
Which is the most dangerous dog?
The 14 most often blacklisted dog breeds were:
Pit Bull Terriers.
Staffordshire Terriers.
Rottweilers.
German Shepherds.
Presa Canarios.
Chows Chows.
Doberman Pinschers.
Akitas.
If not number one in the top three.
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DallasDMac
Footballguy
"...and now officials are determining what to do with the animals." Seriously? How hard is this one?
Otis
Footballguy
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
I am surprised there wasn't more carnage. It took until the cops got there to separate and save them? That had to be a long time. And against THREE dogs??? Lucky to be alive. Damage must be pretty bad.
Also, the neighbor who used a golf club to hit a trash can, instead of the dogs, sounds like a pooss.
modogg
Footballguy
because common sense would tell us executing every single dog does not really solve anything beside making some happy. Behavioral expert can tell pretty quickly if the dog has a proclivity to certain behaviors or if the dog is able to be trained
Need to see more of this.
Are pit bulls still banned in Ontario?
The legislation bans pit bulls in Ontario, places restrictions on existing pit bulls, and toughens the penalties for the owners of any dog that poses a danger to the public. Ontario's pit bull ban took effect on August 29, 2005.Sep 11, 2017
Are pit bulls still banned in Ontario?
The legislation bans pit bulls in Ontario, places restrictions on existing pit bulls, and toughens the penalties for the owners of any dog that poses a danger to the public. Ontario's pit bull ban took effect on August 29, 2005.Sep 11, 2017
DallasDMac
Footballguy
We aren't talking every single dog. We're talking dogs that viciously attacked a mother and a child.modogg said:
Dog bites increased in Ontario after the ban. You guys do a remarkable job of accomplishing nothing here.
Otis
Footballguy
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Warrior
Footballguy
Just too much trouble with these dogs, we see it everywhere. Come on....PIT-BULL..what does that tell us?
There is a problem with these dogs we really don't need.
No way in hell would I want these dogs around me.
I know a guy who hunts wild pig using pit bulls. These dogs are a serious weapon.
I own a couple dogs and neither one would be much in a fight, both very mellow. Sure if pushed in a corner they'd bite you, just like any animal would. But I don't have to worry that they could actually kill somebody. Just knowing you own a potential killer.....nay!
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I know you and @Otis are too lazy and don't actually care, but all three sources I found showed fatalities increased in Canada after the 2005 ban:
1998-2005: 1.25 per year
2006-2018: 1.38 per year
1983-2005: 1.13 per year
2006-2017: 1.5 per year
1990-2005: 1.31 per year
2006-2007: 2.5 per year
Onatario accounts for about 39% of Canada's population. Like I said, great job everyone is doing here. I feel so much safer.
Otis
Footballguy
What source is that?I know you and @Otis are too lazy and don't actually care, but all three sources I found showed fatalities increased in Canada after the 2005 ban:
1998-2005: 1.25 per year
2006-2018: 1.38 per year
1983-2005: 1.13 per year
2006-2017: 1.5 per year
1990-2005: 1.31 per year
2006-2007: 2.5 per year
Onatario accounts for about 39% of Canada's population. Like I said, great job everyone is doing here. I feel so much safer.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Would you agree that the mechanism by which Pits attack (latching, thrashing, and not letting go) is more dangerous than most other dogs?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I always find it interesting how much stock people put in animal experts. While I would agree that there are certainly more knowledgeable people out there and can even consider them experts.modogg said:
We are still talking about animals though. They cant talk and they eat their own poop. So we should probably temper our enthusiasm about their opinions.
Like in this scenario...
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I can find this in three places...I said three different sources. Google is your friend.
I wouldnt use it as a reputable quote though since I have standards.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Misinformation is the name of the game for pit bull advocates. It is like they have a playbook.
1. Cite total dog bite numbers, ignoring severity.
2. Cite temperament studies to misdirect from severity of wounds..
3. Bring up canada whenever possible where fatalities and maulings are weighted heavily to packs of huskies in remote or rural areas(weird, eh?)
4. Claim media bias against pits.
5. Latch onto anything possible when an attack happens that the dog is not a bully breed or mix of one. Like when a worker at a shelter says that a dog wasnt a pit it was a "dash hound" or when an owner had registered their dog as a boxer because pits were banned cite the dog registration.
6. Bring up the dog from the little rascals when possible.
7. Ignore what the dogs were bred for.
8. Whenever possible use anecdotal evidence and by all means please mention how your pit is more likely to lick somebody to death than rip out their spleen.
Ok guys, now get out there and misdirect!
1. Cite total dog bite numbers, ignoring severity.
2. Cite temperament studies to misdirect from severity of wounds..
3. Bring up canada whenever possible where fatalities and maulings are weighted heavily to packs of huskies in remote or rural areas(weird, eh?)
4. Claim media bias against pits.
5. Latch onto anything possible when an attack happens that the dog is not a bully breed or mix of one. Like when a worker at a shelter says that a dog wasnt a pit it was a "dash hound" or when an owner had registered their dog as a boxer because pits were banned cite the dog registration.
6. Bring up the dog from the little rascals when possible.
7. Ignore what the dogs were bred for.
8. Whenever possible use anecdotal evidence and by all means please mention how your pit is more likely to lick somebody to death than rip out their spleen.
Ok guys, now get out there and misdirect!
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Pit Bull advocates and flat earthers have a lot in common. I'd bet there is a big crossover between the 2 groups.
Any large breed dog that attacks a human (especially a young child) is going to do serious damage. A Rottweiler, for example, has a much higher bite strength so I would assume inflicts more damage in an attack.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I dont think so. I imagine most pit advocates are pit owners. They haven't had an issue with their dog or at least not one they can't blame somebody else for, so they don't see it as possible for other dogs.
And none of that is as funny as a bunch of guys pretending to be outraged on a fantasy football boardDitkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I don't believe you do assume that. I believe if you were forced to bet your life, house, retirement, kids n a fight between the two or on their ability to disable another animal you would be all in on the Pit. I have known several rotties and we fostered scores of shepherds when I was young and I would bet on the pit every time and twice on Sunday.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
You want your breed, you are willing to see others suffer increased risks to have your pleasure, just own it. I own the fact that shepherds are far more dangerous than peekapoos.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
My dog is not an increased risk. The majority of dog attacks could be prevented if people weren't idiots (about any large dog breed, not idiots for owning a pit bull)
Let me know when you actually do something in real life to make a difference. I want to know when I can feel safer
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Of course it is, if it is a pit or other bully breed. Right now your dog is in the How many Beagles could you take? thread over at BullyBreedGuys and is accurately indicating it could take more than a dozen at once. It is a far riskier animal to own than many. That said, you seem like a fellow that would make efforts, so I presume you have your animal under good control, probably even great control. The thing is, I bet the animal is not under your supervision 100% of the time.
I just assumed this sort of thing was common knowledge
The Breeds Most Likely to Kill
As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls. In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:
"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)
The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)
Everytime you check out anything about dog violence, there it....pit bull.
I don't care if there is some....well it;s the owners.....that is a so what. I don't need anything around me that can kill my kids and are known to be violent. I could probably handle a pit I do carry a big knife and am a big guy, but I don't like knowing these dogs are close by and hopefully their owner treats them right. A lot of people have these dogs because they have that bad rep.
These dogs were bred to fight, ya know...pit....?
The Breeds Most Likely to Kill
As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls. In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:
"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)
The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)
Everytime you check out anything about dog violence, there it....pit bull.
I don't care if there is some....well it;s the owners.....that is a so what. I don't need anything around me that can kill my kids and are known to be violent. I could probably handle a pit I do carry a big knife and am a big guy, but I don't like knowing these dogs are close by and hopefully their owner treats them right. A lot of people have these dogs because they have that bad rep.
These dogs were bred to fight, ya know...pit....?
modogg
Footballguy
bit of a jump there saying of course a dog is a much riskier dog based on it's breed. To be honest, people i see with pitbulls usually have a much better trained dog than those with small breed dogs. that is because they know their dog needs socialization and training, and put the time and effort into it. those with small breeds are the one's that yap like crazy and are often the one's who don't get regular exercise and thus more likely to be less predictable. Iknow the argument in this thread is a small breed bite won't kill me, which is likely true. Still doesn't make it right though
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