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Zac Stacy Hype Train - Rams (1 Viewer)
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OG_GF
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pollardsvision
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It was between Snelling, Bolden and Stacy for me to go along with David Wilson in a 2RB start league. I have Doug Martin on bye and Steven Jackson hurt.
deadlyrange0321
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I actually think I might start Stacy over Lamar Miller today. Really feel like Baltimore's D is gonna lock down Miami's offense and I look for St. Louis to play with the lead against Jacksonville. Stacy should be able to get the 10-12 touches that Miller usually gets and plays a much weaker defense.
It's a certainly a risk, but it's a "what the hell, let's see what happens" type of risk.
It's a certainly a risk, but it's a "what the hell, let's see what happens" type of risk.
fcreature
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I'm starting Stacy over Bolden. I'm nervous about the deal but who knows, Stacy might put up something crazy. He's starting, so he's got some opportunity to show what he's got.
MCguidance
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Dizzy
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bleachercreacher
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bleachercreacher
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I read on twitter that he could've came back in if the game wasn't out of hand. A rib injury if I remember correctly.
bleachercreacher
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I read on twitter that he could've came back in if the game wasn't out of hand. A rib injury if I remember correctly.
beef
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hopefully minus the kids, jail and db lifestyle.
It was on my last of seven feeds, and the only non-HD one...but I can say this. The Rams had a running game this week. They looked equally effective to me no matter who seemed to be running the ball. Stacy will likely get the most credit and I'd be surprised if he doesnt get another opportunity.
I was really impressed with him today. He definitely looked better than DRich and at times he kind of reminded me of Alfred Morris. JAX defense prolly played a small role in it, but the whole game I was thinking... feed Stacy.
ShamrockPride
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As I stated in the Rams game thread a little bit earlier today, after todays performance given even that is was against Jax, and even if STL has a dedication to D-Rich, Stacy at the minimum earned that primary backup/change of pace role.
ConnSKINS26
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There's no reason to have any sort of loyalty to DRich, he's been terrible all season.
BustedKnuckles
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Zac Stacy insisted after Sunday's alleged rib injury that he feels "fine," and only had the wind knocked out.RushHour said:
If Stacy's diagnosis is accurate, it's great news for the Rams, who finally found some semblance of a rushing attack with Stacy in the lead back role versus Jacksonville. The Rams face the Texans in Week 6. Assuming Stacy plays, he'll be worth a look as a low-end flex option in the difficult matchup.
Biabreakable
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I watched the game this morning.
I thought Zac did a very good job of finding the crease on runs up the middle and getting extra yards after contact. One of the runs (11 yards) I am not sure how he managed to keep going after the defense collapsed in on him, but he came out of the pile to get an extra 5 yards on that one and the 1st down.
Richardson had a pretty good run to the outside on one play. Zac did alright on his outside run as well. Most of the runs were right up the middle. With the FB shifting just before the play. I thought Zac showed some good vision and power once contact was made. That is really what the Rams need right now with substandard blocking up to this point. Zac fits the history of both coaches for inside downhill runs. Which is why I have been high on him as a prospect in this situation. What confuses me somewhat is why it took them this long to get that going. It may be Zac had an injury or something they were waiting for him to work through.
The other thing is Zac was often in as the 3rd down RB. He made some good blocks and was open on a few of the plays where they released him into a pattern. One target he got was tipped at the line making it uncatchable. The other 2 I saw Bradford did not look his way. I do think Richardson is a better option as a receiver than Zac is. But Zac does not look incapable of doing well as a receiver also. He will get opportunity as long as the Rams keep using him as the 3rd down RB. I know one series that Richardson started, he was spelled by Stacy on 3rd down.
Hopefully he isn't injured. That would be another set back on what looked like some good progress. Stacy was doing enough that it made the play action effective.
Overall I thought he did well with his 1st extended opportunity. He is fast enough. Not the plodder that some people have labeled him to be.
One of the things I have liked about Zac all along is his team 1st attitude. He really seems like a good character with strong work ethic. Based on his college performance I do not think the NFL is too big for him. He proved himself playing for the Commodores in the SEC that he can put the team on his shoulders even when the competition is likely a better caliber than his supporting cast.
The Rams still like to throw too much and spread out the field. Even the commentators were talking about how they went to the passing game when goal to go. The Rams have zero rushing TD so far this season. The commentators felt that they should have tried to run in the TD that ended up going to Pettis. At least Zac is being used on the 3rd down so that should lead to some opportunity even as the Rams continue to be a pass 1st team.
What the Rams did today, with Stacy and Richardson working in tandem, is what I was expecting them to do all along. Hopefully they stick with it. Considering Fisher and BriSchotty's history I think they will.
I thought Zac did a very good job of finding the crease on runs up the middle and getting extra yards after contact. One of the runs (11 yards) I am not sure how he managed to keep going after the defense collapsed in on him, but he came out of the pile to get an extra 5 yards on that one and the 1st down.
Richardson had a pretty good run to the outside on one play. Zac did alright on his outside run as well. Most of the runs were right up the middle. With the FB shifting just before the play. I thought Zac showed some good vision and power once contact was made. That is really what the Rams need right now with substandard blocking up to this point. Zac fits the history of both coaches for inside downhill runs. Which is why I have been high on him as a prospect in this situation. What confuses me somewhat is why it took them this long to get that going. It may be Zac had an injury or something they were waiting for him to work through.
The other thing is Zac was often in as the 3rd down RB. He made some good blocks and was open on a few of the plays where they released him into a pattern. One target he got was tipped at the line making it uncatchable. The other 2 I saw Bradford did not look his way. I do think Richardson is a better option as a receiver than Zac is. But Zac does not look incapable of doing well as a receiver also. He will get opportunity as long as the Rams keep using him as the 3rd down RB. I know one series that Richardson started, he was spelled by Stacy on 3rd down.
Hopefully he isn't injured. That would be another set back on what looked like some good progress. Stacy was doing enough that it made the play action effective.
Overall I thought he did well with his 1st extended opportunity. He is fast enough. Not the plodder that some people have labeled him to be.
One of the things I have liked about Zac all along is his team 1st attitude. He really seems like a good character with strong work ethic. Based on his college performance I do not think the NFL is too big for him. He proved himself playing for the Commodores in the SEC that he can put the team on his shoulders even when the competition is likely a better caliber than his supporting cast.
The Rams still like to throw too much and spread out the field. Even the commentators were talking about how they went to the passing game when goal to go. The Rams have zero rushing TD so far this season. The commentators felt that they should have tried to run in the TD that ended up going to Pettis. At least Zac is being used on the 3rd down so that should lead to some opportunity even as the Rams continue to be a pass 1st team.
What the Rams did today, with Stacy and Richardson working in tandem, is what I was expecting them to do all along. Hopefully they stick with it. Considering Fisher and BriSchotty's history I think they will.
pollardsvision
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For who?
I didn't see him play, but based on reports from those that watched the game, I think he's a bit of a buy.
To some it would seem that this is a total RBBC, though Stacy was on track for more work. He didn't catch any passes or score any TDs, which always leads to a bad fantasy day, but it sounds like he should be more involved in the passing game going forward.
I'd think there are some owners out there that picked him up, hoping to see him run all over the lowly Jags, and instead got a lackluster fantasy performance that still seems like a RBBC.
Most fantasy "experts" were screaming a "avoid this mess" and to a lot, it probably still looks like a bit of a mess.
Maybe you find an owner that isn't interested in being a part of the "mess" after a lackluster fantasy day.
Unless Fisher decides to go in another direction (and there aren't many reasons to think that), there are reasons to think his value could grow a lot from here.
A risk, but better than selling him now before he has a chance to maximize his value, imo.
As always, I depends on what you can get, but I'd think more people are skeptical than optimistic about him at the moment.
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tdhartis
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For who? Pair him with another player in a package to a team desperate at RB that is willing to take that risk.
I believe with experts that this a situation to avoid, and even if he gets the lead role in this backfield this is the likely ceiling for this running game. Stacy still provides optimism since he's a new face and looked halfway okay on paper that other owners might bite on. Three weeks from now he will be old news and the optimism will be replaced with the realization that his potential is just as capped by this offense as Richardson's was.
Bottom like is I don't think there is value maximization to be had down the road.
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ShamrockPride
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The whole scenario is dependent if you're talking redraft or dynasty. Redraft, go right ahead. I think selling him in a dynasty would be a big mistake though.
tdhartis
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pollardsvision
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Fair enough.
If you think this is good as it gets and somebody makes an optimistic offer, obviously go for it.
But I'd rather take the chance that he's worthless in 3 weeks (he cost nothing) for the possible payoff that his value grows.
The Rams stink. Fine, you can be a good fantasy RB on a bad team.
He needs to:
1. Keep the job
2. Get the majority of the work (Fisher likes a true lead back more than a lot of other coaches)
3. Catch passes (getting 3rd down work over Richardson on some drives is great news)
4. Get the minimal amount of GL work avail in STL (seems reasonable that STL will look at running at the GL a little more with a more powerful back)
I don't think very many owners think those 4 things will happen, so I don't see them part with any great asset in a deal involving Stacy. Many, I'd think, still see it as a muddy situation on a bad team.
But I think those 4 things can happen. If he doesn't, it's not problem for a guy that cost nothing to obtain. But I'm not dealing to anyone based on the assumption that they won't.
RGIII HTTR
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So, I seriously thinking of dropping Ben Tate for him (redraft)...do I need to be talked off the ledge or he not worth losing Tate's potential opposed to the once in a blue fantasy start? If anyone who is really watching this guy can provide insight if he's stop gap or real deal for rest of season.
pollardsvision
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Nobody else to drop besides Tate?
I'm fairly optimistic about Stacy, but I don't think I could drop Tate for him.
I'm fairly optimistic about Stacy, but I don't think I could drop Tate for him.
ShamrockPride
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Seems like the real deal to me. But will need to see one more start to be sure. Took Richardson 5 games into the season to get a good ypc. Stacy took advantage his first try given it was against Jax. If he can get a good 4.5 ypc this week I think it ain't a fluke vs. a pretty decent Texans run defense.
RBM
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Real deal meaning what? Read the recaps....he looked good but you can't expect much on this team/in this offense. I think the most you can hope for if all goes right is a game like yesterday plus an infrequent td. I grabbed him and will keep him stashed on my dynasty squad but I hope I'm not starting him anytime soon.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
I'm fishing for a real 3rd RB, I have Tate, Matthews, P. Thomas and McGahee. I like that Fisher came out and made the comments he did and the Foster owner just doesn't seem interesting in getting Tate at all. Maybe I don't really need Stacy, but if he's the man...20 carries is not out the realm, right?
RGIII HTTR
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Futz
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I dropped Ridley (can't trust him) for a roll of the dice with Stacey. I was pleased with what I saw and now coach seems committed to him. He`ll at least be a serviceable bye replacement. He runs with authority and I could see 70-90 total yards with an occasional goal line plunge.
pollardsvision
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Oh man, that's a tough call.
I think Matthews, McGahee, Pierre and Stacy are likely to be very similar. Starters that will get you some guaranteed touches, but will underwhelm most weeks.
Because of that, if it were me, the one guy I wouldn't drop would be Tate. He's got the most upside of the 4.
southeastjerome
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Where did you hear that he would become more involved in the passing game?pollardsvision said:
RBM
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tdhartis
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Okay, so I just went back and watched all of Stacy's runs from the JAX game. Here are my thoughts and observations:
Stacy ran hard. He broke tackles on multiple plays, and didn't get knocked down after first contact. He showed good drive and fought for tough yardage. His speed isn't anything to write home about, but I was I came away impressed. After watching his Vanderbilt highlights I thought he was slow, but it appears he has improved since entering the NFL. Not a world beater, but adequate for his style of play.
Most of his his runs were to the left (50%) behind the two veteran 1st rounders, versus the middle (29%) and right (21%). His longer plays (5yds+) were run to the left (4), middle (2), and right (1) respectively. He followed his blocks well, but didn't exhibit much elusiveness in the form of making guys miss. He didn't break off to the sidelines during an of his runs. It was all very much downhill. He is the foil to Richardson.
Last week I watched all of the RBs touches, besides Richardson's, leading up to this past game. Cumulatively, it was by far the best run-blocking the line has exhibited in one game this season. Stacy had holes to run through, and in all of the previous weeks that was far from the case. The backs in weeks 1-3 were commonly hit in the backfield or ran into a log jam at the LOS. This didn't happen nearly as often, and it was reflected in both his numbers and Richardson's. How much of this is attributable to the porous Jags run defense v. the Rams o-line is hard to determine.
He was targeted on one pass play as Bradford's check-down. It was incomplete, as it was tipped at the LOS and uncatchable. Not a personal observation, but others noted that pre-injury he was in on 3rd down and passing situations, and was impressive in pass-pro. That suggests he could see more receptions in the future. FWIW he had 46 total receptions in 4 years at Vandy, averaging 15/season in the last 2yrs. His college career doesn't indicate catching is a strong suit.
My outlook is slightly more optimistic v. my previous comments today after watching the tape. However, I would temper expectations as the improved line play was the largest reason behind the running game's success, and St. Louis has an unfavorable schedule v. some adequate to tough run defenses through the rest of the season. That, coupled with the Ram's subpar defense and constant playing from behind are the two red flags for Stacy from here on out.
Stacy ran hard. He broke tackles on multiple plays, and didn't get knocked down after first contact. He showed good drive and fought for tough yardage. His speed isn't anything to write home about, but I was I came away impressed. After watching his Vanderbilt highlights I thought he was slow, but it appears he has improved since entering the NFL. Not a world beater, but adequate for his style of play.
Most of his his runs were to the left (50%) behind the two veteran 1st rounders, versus the middle (29%) and right (21%). His longer plays (5yds+) were run to the left (4), middle (2), and right (1) respectively. He followed his blocks well, but didn't exhibit much elusiveness in the form of making guys miss. He didn't break off to the sidelines during an of his runs. It was all very much downhill. He is the foil to Richardson.
Last week I watched all of the RBs touches, besides Richardson's, leading up to this past game. Cumulatively, it was by far the best run-blocking the line has exhibited in one game this season. Stacy had holes to run through, and in all of the previous weeks that was far from the case. The backs in weeks 1-3 were commonly hit in the backfield or ran into a log jam at the LOS. This didn't happen nearly as often, and it was reflected in both his numbers and Richardson's. How much of this is attributable to the porous Jags run defense v. the Rams o-line is hard to determine.
He was targeted on one pass play as Bradford's check-down. It was incomplete, as it was tipped at the LOS and uncatchable. Not a personal observation, but others noted that pre-injury he was in on 3rd down and passing situations, and was impressive in pass-pro. That suggests he could see more receptions in the future. FWIW he had 46 total receptions in 4 years at Vandy, averaging 15/season in the last 2yrs. His college career doesn't indicate catching is a strong suit.
My outlook is slightly more optimistic v. my previous comments today after watching the tape. However, I would temper expectations as the improved line play was the largest reason behind the running game's success, and St. Louis has an unfavorable schedule v. some adequate to tough run defenses through the rest of the season. That, coupled with the Ram's subpar defense and constant playing from behind are the two red flags for Stacy from here on out.
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tdhartis
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It's hard to say considering Fisher has worked with some rather talented backs through his time as a head coach: Eddie George and Chris Johnson mainly. Lesser talents such as Chris Brown, LenDale White, and an aging Travis Henry had successful workhorse seasons, but I think the sample size (15 carries) is too small to make any reliable determination.
