Breesisdaman
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good to hear about the ankle
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Zac Stacy Hype Train - Rams (1 Viewer)
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Dizzy
Footballguy
Yeah, I can see that comparison. Presses the hole with patience... not sure you can coach that into a guy.
Good news on the ankle too (hopefully).
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Teach this kid how to catch balls out of the backfield, and the Rams have a Ray Rice/MJD on their hands.
FF Wiseguy
Footballguy
Traded him for Harvin before the Panthers game. Oops.
shadyridr
Footballguy
yeah i traded him on friday. I originally offered the other owner gio and they said no theyd rather have stacy. I was stunned and couldnt say yes fast enough. Joke is on me afterall
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Sooooo...
Emmitt Smith, Ray Rice, and MJD? That where we're at?
Stacy might be a bigger sell high than Andre Ellington.
Emmitt Smith, Ray Rice, and MJD? That where we're at?
Stacy might be a bigger sell high than Andre Ellington.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Some guys just have it, and get that chance to shine and never look back.
Foster, Terrell Davis, Al Morris... it's not exactly unprecedented.
Hendo
Footballguy
Yea he's definetely a sell high... however i think thats too much mix matching with comps. He only compares to Rice/MJd in body style, but i would say his vision would be comparable to Emmitt. That's about as far as i'd go... and you could do that with a lot of backs picking out one trait to another. I don't think he will be as good as any of them but he's really impressive to me and i definetely would try to sell high if i could... just not for pennies though this kid has talent
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I read just a 'garden variety' sprain? Link?
Dizzy
Footballguy
Dizzy
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Harvey Dahl is the MCL issue.
Harvey Dahl - G - Rams
Rams RG Harvey Dahl suffered an MCL injury in Monday's loss.
According to coach Jeff Fisher, the severity of Dahl's injury is still unknown. A torn MCL could cost Dahl up to six weeks. The Rams will go with Shelley Smith in the interim. Dahl is the No. 30 guard in Pro Football Focus' ratings.
Source: Rams on Twitter
Harvey Dahl - G - Rams
Rams RG Harvey Dahl suffered an MCL injury in Monday's loss.
According to coach Jeff Fisher, the severity of Dahl's injury is still unknown. A torn MCL could cost Dahl up to six weeks. The Rams will go with Shelley Smith in the interim. Dahl is the No. 30 guard in Pro Football Focus' ratings.
Source: Rams on Twitter
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
Yeah I can see how you could confuse the two.
Well, this is still something to keep in mind regarding Stacy. Any Rams' homers have any insight into the kind of drop-off we can expect from Dahl to Smith?
http://www.stlouisrams.com/media-center/videos/Head-Coach-Jeff-Fisher-Press-Conference/400094a0-2136-4a30-89cb-0e953f02b1c1
Looking at the press conference "running tests" was the line Fisher used for Stacy and then another player (Dahl); so it didnt seem to be a specialized term for Stacy, which is good. But if you feel like being concerned...by all means do so. Why not? Until we know for sure...then that seems like being concerned is one of a few possible logical reactions.
T with T
Footballguy
zac stacy=134 yards against a tough Sea d that stuffed up ellington the week before, and also had extra days off.Fantasy Football in a nutshell right there
Sarnoff
Footballguy
I think Tuesday after MNF is just a "slow news day" for the team. So they have to hold a news conference, but, there's nothing to really report. Real info will be Weds/Thurs practice session info.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
(meant to put in this thread in the first place, so cross-posted from the other one)...
he looks powerful and niftier feet than the little i saw of him in college...
I think he led SEC in rushing last year (?), but not sure if lacy missed time?
he can break arm tackles by DL, and in the second and third level, defenders tend to get knocked back when he hits them...
handy traits to have for a RB!
not sure they won't draft a RB next year, with the two firsts...
but it looks like OL and safety are more pressing needs (some would say QB)...
these days you need two RBs... maybe in later round (they might get a good QB or RB with what should be a high second).
RB looks like a lot less pressing need in the past 3-4 weeks. if they prioritize other positions in 2014, I feel a whole lot more comfortable the position could be in good hands than before Stacy burst onto the scene.
he looks powerful and niftier feet than the little i saw of him in college...
I think he led SEC in rushing last year (?), but not sure if lacy missed time?
he can break arm tackles by DL, and in the second and third level, defenders tend to get knocked back when he hits them...
handy traits to have for a RB!
not sure they won't draft a RB next year, with the two firsts...
but it looks like OL and safety are more pressing needs (some would say QB)...
these days you need two RBs... maybe in later round (they might get a good QB or RB with what should be a high second).
RB looks like a lot less pressing need in the past 3-4 weeks. if they prioritize other positions in 2014, I feel a whole lot more comfortable the position could be in good hands than before Stacy burst onto the scene.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
I would not be surprised if they use a 4th-6th round pick on a 195 pound receiving back to give Stacy third-down blows. Richardson third RB in case something happens to Stacy. They should spend their assets wisely to improve the OL and WR corps. Bradford is not going anywhere, so it isn't time to spend capital on another QB either.
msommer
Footballguy
ok, so he hurt his ankle, got back in, but on the last two plays of the game, with everything on the line, he could not go on?
Earlier in the game he was pulled at the GL for Daryl Richardson, who incidentally didn't score then either. Was that also after the injury?
So in one game at the GL twice Daryl Richardson gets the call without scoring.
I hope my concern is misplaced but it sure seems odd - also in light of the news that the injury is minor.
Earlier in the game he was pulled at the GL for Daryl Richardson, who incidentally didn't score then either. Was that also after the injury?
So in one game at the GL twice Daryl Richardson gets the call without scoring.
I hope my concern is misplaced but it sure seems odd - also in light of the news that the injury is minor.
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Yeah, I own the guy and I've got to admit this is more than a little wacky. Trying to call for Emmitt Smith vision this early is a bit silly. Did Emmitt even need vision behind that o-line anyway? But Rice ran a 4.42 at the combine and MJD ran a 4.39. There are plenty of extremely successful RBs who are/were 4.5 or 4.6 guys, so Stacy can certainly be successful at this level, but these comparisons are lazy. Given his performance against Seattle, I think selling him might be hard to do. But I totally agree on Ellington, though. Maybe I'm making lazy comparisons now, but he seems like a poor man's Jerious Norwood. Not because of size or appearance (Norwood was bigger), just a guy that did well in a limited role but never expanded beyond that. For ever scat back turned feature back there are 30 more scat backs that never get a chance. Mewelde Moore was probably a better NFL back than Ellington and he never got a feature role...
You got your series mixed up. The Rams only got to the goal line twice. Both times in the 4th. First one was 1st and goal from the 6. Stacy carried it to the 3. 2nd down was a play action fake, incomplete pass/penalty that was declined. 3rd down was empty set pass play, sack. The next time they got to the goal line was when Stacy was injured and he came in for the 4th down play, again an empty set pass play.
So your concern is mislead. He was only out on the true goal line plays because of injury. What we should be more concerned about is why the Rams use an empty set pass formation in short yardage situations twice, both times resulting in unblocked pass rushers coming on off the right side.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
My main issues with both guys (redraft) are the team situations, which will make consistent production super hard to achieve. AZ and STL have horrid offensive lines.
In dynasty, people see a young RB have a big breakout game and immediately start going nuts, tossing around absurd comparisons, and assuming that these guys are the next big thing. Sometimes they are; usually they're not. If you can get "breakout young stud" value for a guy fairly likely to be a blip on the radar / short term situational value type, then that's a great move IMO. The times you make out like a bandit will end up outweighing the times you gave up a true long term asset. By a ton.
Yeah, I'd sell both in redraft for a solid player.
In dynasty, I'd hold onto Stacy unless I could find someone who think he's Ray Rice or MJD. Most reasonable people don't think so. Even those who do, don't expect to pay that much for him. So he's probably a case where he has more value to the owner than to his potential trade partners. His team is not good, yet he's producing. His team will probably be better next year and they've got too many needs to replace someone of Stacy's caliber.
Ellington I'd sell in dynasty for just about anything of value unless I was desperate for a flex play this year.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I was offered Andre Johnson for him straight up. Its a 2-man keeper league, with limits of 2 years per keeper. Turned him down.
Zac Stacy just tweeted this (https://twitter.com/ZSTACY_/status/395546297911869440); his only tweet since the game:
Jeremiah 29:11
[SIZE=.75em]11 [/SIZE]For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
....discuss....
Jeremiah 29:11
[SIZE=.75em]11 [/SIZE]For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
....discuss....
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
He believes in God. I like him even better.Zac Stacy just tweeted this (https://twitter.com/ZSTACY_/status/395546297911869440); his only tweet since the game:
Jeremiah 29:11
[SIZE=.75em]11 [/SIZE]For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
....discuss....
He also gave this interview yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5pz7SiNVbE&feature=youtu.be
No mention of the ankle? And he gave it standing up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5pz7SiNVbE&feature=youtu.be
No mention of the ankle? And he gave it standing up.
I wonder if he believes in the tooth fairy. I need to know before I think about possibly trading him.He believes in God. I like him even better.Zac Stacy just tweeted this (https://twitter.com/ZSTACY_/status/395546297911869440); his only tweet since the game:
Jeremiah 29:11
11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
....discuss....
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Football Outsiders has St. Louis rated their #8 run blocking line so far this year. That's not horrid.And this was only through the first 4 games, but PFF had them 6th overall.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/10/09/ranking-the-2013-offensive-lines-first-quarter/4/
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Boomer1
Footballguy
I'm not sure why everyone's in such a hurry to move a WW pickup (redraft) who has steadily gotten better each of the 4 weeks he's been involved in this offense. He's done nothing but exceed expectations and nothing I see shows he will not continue, though his offense will limit TD opportunites...
Paul Kuharsky @PaulKuharskyNFL5mHe also gave this interview yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5pz7SiNVbE&feature=youtu.be
No mention of the ankle? And he gave it standing up.
Fisher says Zac Stacy unlikely to practice today. #Rams #Titans
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Depends on what you can get, obviously, but IMO now is a pretty good time to sell on a guy like Stacy IMO. First, I'm personally not convinced that he's absolutely good enough to hold down a major role long term. I like what I see thus far, but need more convincing. Obviously that's a subjective tipping point.
The bigger factor for me is that the current lack of quality young RB talent has driven the value up a ton for any young RB with a pulse. Guys like Ridley and Murray were bringing RB1 prices last year based more on age than talent. Guys like Gio and Lacy are untouchable right now because they're young and flashing. Guys like Christine Michael, Stacy and Ellington are drawing big interest. It's more a response to the landscape at RB (someone has to be ranked 5-15 by the youth-seekers) than a true measure of the NFL ability of the RBs in question IMO.
If I can get value equivalent to say, a longtime RB2 out of a guy I think might be a "right place right time" committee RB over the long haul, I take those incremental gains all day -- they add up quickly over the years.
It's equally valid to hold and hope for the homerun, of course, but I'm a fan of minimizing risk by hitting a bunch of singles, personally.
Nero
Footballguy
I suppose it matters how you viewed Stacy from the start. I thought he was the best back in draft, yet he is still exceeding my expectations. I thought he would have a much tougher time overtaking DR, but I am not surprised by his performance. He is a buy IMO.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Buy at what price?
Also, best back in the class vs expecting a hard time overtaking a COP player like Richardson seems contradictory to me personally.
Finally, I have a hard time calling such a late round pick the best RB in his class -- pretty hard to out scout the entire NFL in my experience, and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
