Capella
Footballguy
If anything in that photo is lazy, it's the person half-assing that photoshop.Skinniest shadow in the draft!
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QB Jameis Winston, NO (4 Viewers)
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cstu
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Looks like he's lost about 15 lbs. in the past month but don't be surprised once he gets paid and can buy all the crab legs he wants!
rdrouyn
Footballguy
I don't even like the guy, think he's a creep and would be in jail if he wasn't a football player.
Calling him lazy is a real stretch. But keep looking for pictures where he looks fat if it makes you feel better.
He's not a tight-skinned, hard bodied athlete, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's out of shape.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
#1 question for Jameis' polygraph:
Was that Instagram pic of you photoshopped?!
Was that Instagram pic of you photoshopped?!
Faust
MVP
Mike Mayock foresees Buccaneers drafting Jameis Winston:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470688/article/mike-mayock-foresees-buccaneers-drafting-jameis-winston
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470688/article/mike-mayock-foresees-buccaneers-drafting-jameis-winston
Faust
MVP
Jameis Winston uncertain if he will throw at NFL combine:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470660/article/jameis-winston-uncertain-if-he-will-throw-at-nfl-combine
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470660/article/jameis-winston-uncertain-if-he-will-throw-at-nfl-combine
Grahamburn
Footballguy
This is not a rhetorical question:
Can anyone think of a player drafted in the first round with glaring off the field concerns who has been successful in the NFL recently? Say, last 5 years? Dez is the only one coming to mind, and he had his bumps in the road.
I don't think there's ever been one at the QB position.
Can anyone think of a player drafted in the first round with glaring off the field concerns who has been successful in the NFL recently? Say, last 5 years? Dez is the only one coming to mind, and he had his bumps in the road.
I don't think there's ever been one at the QB position.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Cam.
Quez
Footballguy
Get ready for all kinds of Winston interview headlines this week. ESPN & the NFL want this to be a 2 QB draft no matter how low Mariotas stock is dropping. The way to do this is to continue to pile on Winston. There will likely be terms like "undraftable" & "off teams board" thrown around.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
He's never been in handcuffs.
I get that people think he raped that girl. And if you believe that then you should definitely not want him on your team and instead in jail.
I have a little bit of a legal background. I have read most of the documents. I don't think he raped her. The rape kit is key to me. I do think she had some kind of immediate regrets. JMO
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I get that and realize it's the standard argument, but we know the authorities botched any chances to indict him for anything. She filed the report without even knowing his identity, so it's not like it was some giant money grab from the beginning. I realize it's possible she made it up, but hers also wasn't the only allegation against this kid.He's never been in handcuffs.
I get that people think he raped that girl. And if you believe that then you should definitely not want him on your team and instead in jail.
I have a little bit of a legal background. I have read most of the documents. I don't think he raped her. The rape kit is key to me. I do think she had some kind of immediate regrets. JMO
Throw in the other stuff, yelling at Jimbo on the sideline, etc. He just seems like a headcase. With the nightlife in Tampa I think he's a ticking time bomb.
When he was just playing football as a freshman he was amazing. No doubt about it. Once the off the field stuff started surrounding him his play deteriorated. I don't see how anyone can argue differently. He regressed, big time. The spotlight doesn't get smaller in the NFL.
At best he's kind of a scumbag and a knucklehead. At worst he's a rapist. Should the Bucs really entertain using the #1 pick on him because he played in a pro style offense and made some throws? Scary.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Most media outlets in Tampa are talking like it's Winston and it isn't close.
Faust
MVP
Lovie Smith: I'm comfortable making Winston face of Buccaneers
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000471021/article/lovie-smith-im-comfortable-making-winston-face-of-buccaneers
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000471021/article/lovie-smith-im-comfortable-making-winston-face-of-buccaneers
jurb26
Footballguy
If they are comfortable with Winston, the person. Then this is the right call. He's a better prospect than Mariota. For TB sake, assuming they are telling the truth, I hope they are right.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Not for nothing because I have no dog in this fight, but if Winston were available in the sixth, it's because nobody else believed in him, so his trade value would be zilch unless you started him. It's not easy to trade nfl players in the first place, and a good offseason would mean nothing to a team that already passed on him. A good preseason game or two would mean nothing, and a good regular season game wouldn't mean much either.
What you really need is time. He has to not so anything knuckle headed for a couple years. He needs to survive a signing bonus, and a losing streak, and a winning streak, and a first offseason. He needs to show up first and leave last and be a film guy. He needs to give good interviews and be the gave of a franchise for a while. He needs to hit an open receiver, have them drop the ball, or run the wrong route, and take the blame in the past game press conference. And on top of all that, he has to play good, too.
That's a lot to ask, which is why if you see a guy who can do some or even most of that stuff you take him first overall when you could literally take anyone else coming out of college or get a ton of picks instead.
But if you don't think he can do all that, you just plain can't take him. because even at a discount, the real gamble you take with a guy like that isn't just the pick you have to spend on him, but the fact you have to start him for an extended period of time to find out what you've got. You're investing the franchise direction for a year or more in the guy, on top of whichever pick he costs.
So if you wouldn't take him 1.1, it's because you aren't willing to make that investment, which means you probably shouldn't take him at 2.1 or 3.1 or 6.1 either.
I haven't formed that strong of am opinion on him either way, but it's perfectly valid to take him off your board.
What you really need is time. He has to not so anything knuckle headed for a couple years. He needs to survive a signing bonus, and a losing streak, and a winning streak, and a first offseason. He needs to show up first and leave last and be a film guy. He needs to give good interviews and be the gave of a franchise for a while. He needs to hit an open receiver, have them drop the ball, or run the wrong route, and take the blame in the past game press conference. And on top of all that, he has to play good, too.
That's a lot to ask, which is why if you see a guy who can do some or even most of that stuff you take him first overall when you could literally take anyone else coming out of college or get a ton of picks instead.
But if you don't think he can do all that, you just plain can't take him. because even at a discount, the real gamble you take with a guy like that isn't just the pick you have to spend on him, but the fact you have to start him for an extended period of time to find out what you've got. You're investing the franchise direction for a year or more in the guy, on top of whichever pick he costs.
So if you wouldn't take him 1.1, it's because you aren't willing to make that investment, which means you probably shouldn't take him at 2.1 or 3.1 or 6.1 either.
I haven't formed that strong of am opinion on him either way, but it's perfectly valid to take him off your board.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
I believe that Glennon is the future
teach him well and let him lead the way
show him that receivers can run outside
Give him a sense of pride when he throws easy routes
let the corners' laughter remind us that there's a whole field
Mike decided long ago
never to throw a post or a fade route
if I fail or I succeed
at least I'll have a high completion
They can't take it away if I don't throw deep
because the greatest schlub of all
Is already on your team
I found the greatest schlub of all
In round number three
teach him well and let him lead the way
show him that receivers can run outside
Give him a sense of pride when he throws easy routes
let the corners' laughter remind us that there's a whole field
Mike decided long ago
never to throw a post or a fade route
if I fail or I succeed
at least I'll have a high completion
They can't take it away if I don't throw deep
because the greatest schlub of all
Is already on your team
I found the greatest schlub of all
In round number three
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msommer
Footballguy
How many tickets and jerseys will he sell? And for how long?Grahamburn said:I get that and realize it's the standard argument, but we know the authorities botched any chances to indict him for anything. She filed the report without even knowing his identity, so it's not like it was some giant money grab from the beginning. I realize it's possible she made it up, but hers also wasn't the only allegation against this kid.Capella said:He's never been in handcuffs.Grahamburn said:
I get that people think he raped that girl. And if you believe that then you should definitely not want him on your team and instead in jail.
I have a little bit of a legal background. I have read most of the documents. I don't think he raped her. The rape kit is key to me. I do think she had some kind of immediate regrets. JMO
Throw in the other stuff, yelling at Jimbo on the sideline, etc. He just seems like a headcase. With the nightlife in Tampa I think he's a ticking time bomb.
When he was just playing football as a freshman he was amazing. No doubt about it. Once the off the field stuff started surrounding him his play deteriorated. I don't see how anyone can argue differently. He regressed, big time. The spotlight doesn't get smaller in the NFL.
At best he's kind of a scumbag and a knucklehead. At worst he's a rapist. Should the Bucs really entertain using the #1 pick on him because he played in a pro style offense and made some throws? Scary.
The front office is also involved in the decision.
gump
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
I don't think this matters in this case. This isn't Tebow/Jax or Manziel/Cowboys.
Winston would typically sell more as a Nole, but he's so polarizing with the Gators around here...that is negated.
It'll all be about performance.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Fans want wins and an entertaining product. Polarizing is an understatement. There's an anti-Jameis petition circulating with plenty of Bucs' fans signing it.
If he's the pick and turns out to be a stud all of this stuff will be a whisper, but if he's getting spotted out partying at Mons and 2001 and then playing poorly on Sunday this will not end well.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Not that this matters at all obviously.
cstu
Footballguy
With what just happened with Manziel, teams should want nothing to do with this guy.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I agree with you. Especially at the #1 pick where there is a perfectly capable alternative. Mariota's "flaws" can be improved with coaching, hard work, and dedication. I'm terrified they're going to take Jameis and he's going to make this franchise more of a laughing stock. If that's possible.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
He's a knucklehead but is he know as a full blown alcoholic with questionable work ethic? He's also the prototypical size and skill combo. Johnny isn't.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
From what I've read he was a model citizen this season other than the eff her right in the P thing.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Luckily I'm not a Bucs fan. If you guys are happy with it that's all that matters.
The Titans will be thrilled to have him.
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I still think it's crazy to imagine it's clear to anyone -- inside the organization or out -- who the pick is.
Everything about Winston that might drive people away is going to either be magnified or go away once teams start grilling him in one-on-one time. I think QB's really need to impress the brass if they're going to merit a very top pick. And I'm not sure either QB here can pull it off. Mariotta seems like a major introvert, and Winston just doesn't seem to have much on the ball. I expect both guys to shine in throwing/performance drills.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
"I see him making decisions, I see him -- for the most part -- making most of the throws that he'll be making in the league."
I hear people saying the opposite -- saying they haven't seen that. He throws bubble screens and five-yard, first-read passes. He's not asked to go through progressions. There's a lot of stuff he'll need to do that nobody has seen him do. Mainly this is Cosell. But I just heard Matt Waldman say he would pass on both these two top guys if he was in the top six pickers.
I don't know, myself. I just like watching the argument/debate at this time of year. Lots of fun.
I hear people saying the opposite -- saying they haven't seen that. He throws bubble screens and five-yard, first-read passes. He's not asked to go through progressions. There's a lot of stuff he'll need to do that nobody has seen him do. Mainly this is Cosell. But I just heard Matt Waldman say he would pass on both these two top guys if he was in the top six pickers.
I don't know, myself. I just like watching the argument/debate at this time of year. Lots of fun.
gump
Footballguy
My comparison was to point out that this decision will not be made because Jameis will drive sales...like Manziel did or would have as a Cowboy even more. CSTU took that and ran with it.
lod01
Footballguy
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