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QB Jameis Winston, NO (10 Viewers)
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gump
Footballguy
Favre had one of the great QB-DT rivalries ever partly because Favre would jump up after a sack and hit Sapp playfully in the helmet. Many see similarities in Winstons personality.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
At the very least these stories have certainly silenced those ludicrous JaMarcus Russell comparisons.Faust said:
dhockster
Footballguy
Gotcha. It will be interesting to see if Winston has Favre's toughness. Pain can make cowards of us all.
cstu
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
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Gawain
Footballguy
Nice to see Mr. Winston is already tutoring young FSU QBs.
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2015/07/06/video-shows-punch-that-led-to-qbs-arrest/29775149/
I learned it from watching you?
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2015/07/06/video-shows-punch-that-led-to-qbs-arrest/29775149/
I learned it from watching you?
jabarony
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
http://collegespun.com/acc/florida-state/photo-jameis-winston-mike-evans-and-former-gator-worked-out-at-florida-state-today
Always love to see stuff like this when it isn't mandatory.
Always love to see stuff like this when it isn't mandatory.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
mark it down
Winston gets arrested sometime in the next 12 months
he can't help it - its just the way he is
Winston gets arrested sometime in the next 12 months
he can't help it - its just the way he is
Capella
Footballguy
karmarooster
Footballguy
I doubt he gets arrested as much as gets in the news for something full-####### like the crab legs of FHRITP incident.
I was amazed to realize that the Bucs had TWO 1,000 yard WRs last year. If ASJ is NFL-caliber, and shows something in his 2nd year that he didn't really show at all last year, plus those big WRs on the outside, Winston should have a decent QB2 type year.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Arrested yet?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
You think he's a model citizen? How many times was Josh Gordon arrested in college? Blackmon? etc etc etc
Will he clean up ? He could .... I'm betting he doesn't, come people just have a stupid streak and cannot help themselves and they shine at self destruction
I think Winston is one of them
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
What exactly do Winston's incidents in college have to do with Gordon and Blackmon being substance abusers? They're addicts, of course they couldn't change.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He's self destructed himself right into a Heisman trophy, a National Championship, the #1 pick overall in the NFL Draft, and millions of dollars.
Winston's previous mistakes are the kind he'll learn from. Gordon's and Blackmon's mistakes are the kind that are serially repeated.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
At an ADP of 18 he seems like a good upside guy to draft as your backup.
chauncey
Footballguy
I didn't keep close tabs on him in college. Aside from the free crab legs, the alleged rape, and yelling FHRITP on campus what kind of trouble did he get into? Those all seem to fall into the immature teenager category, not lifetime criminal category.
. Alleged rape is not a typical youthful indiscretion.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
It isn't rape either. It's possible it doesn't even rise to the level of indiscretion.
Faust
MVP
Jameis Winston 'accepting my role' with Bucs:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13361594/jameis-winston-tampa-bay-buccaneers-says-matured-being-florida-state
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13361594/jameis-winston-tampa-bay-buccaneers-says-matured-being-florida-state
You agree that he achieved those things because of rape accusations, theft allegations, etc.? Because that's what "destructing himself right into..." would mean.
Because I'd think it was despite those things.
And those are the farthest things in the world from, "the kinds of mistakes you learn from." Hell, you'd have to be a world class rube to think they were mistakes at all. They were all quite intentional, he publicly reveled in them, and doubled down on his revelry when he got away with them. This strikes you as a recipe for personal growth? Having the world show you again and again that no matter how criminal or antisocial your behavior, you're going to get away with it because Heaven just ####s gold bricks on you your whole life?
Now, I'm not super high on Winston as a prospect, but the big hurdles for him come IF he has any measure of success. It's always been then that he's shown that he believes his celebrity will excuse any illicit or criminal whim that strikes his fancy. And his personal history has shown him that he's right. So I wonder why people all of a sudden believe that those rich rewards he's always reaped for the very red flags some people point out are suddenly going to go away now that the rewards are astronomical.
I don't hate the Bucs, so I'm certainly not rooting for the kid to fail on their account. And I'm for damn sure not rooting for him to rape, steal from, publicly humiliate, or otherwise injure somebody off the field. But I'm sure as hell not going to be surprised if and when it happens.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
This was a redundant and unnecessary post given the above. We get you disagree. Beyond that, try to find other ways to express yourself than through name calling.
I think the point was, his several well documented off field issues haven't prevented him from succeeding at a high level. It is self-evident they haven't. You may not like it and perhaps part of the bile being vented is an unspoken indictment of some of the systemic and institutional causes that make it possible (ie - boosters, campus police, etc.). But that is a separate conversation. One reporter who talked to someone in TB with knowledge of their thinking and decision making put it simply. When he was in immature surroundings, he could act immature at times. They felt when he was surrounded by adult PROFESSIONALS, he would act accordingly. Organizations make mistakes (Leaf, etc.), but they spent an unprecedented amount of effort in his investigation and background check, probably going back to grade school teachers. They came away with the conclusion that he was worth the first overall pick.
I WOULD be shocked if we hear of any more future rape allegations, seafood thefts or high profile instances of yelling #### her in the #####. The picture of crab legs after the draft wasn't very bright, but the team expressed their disappointment and he acknowledged the error.
The point about Blackmon and Gordon's issues presenting a larger obstacle to their respective NFL prospects is again self-evident. MAYBE Winston will do something serious enough to derail his career, but at this point, that is speculative. Gordon and particularly Blackmon already have demonstrably seriously damaged their careers.
Maybe you thought you were being balanced with the end part, but this criticism pretty much exclusively was a catalog of negatives. One thing you haven't mentioned, are his positives. By all accounts, he is driven to succeed when it comes to football. He works hard, is serious about being great. Some scouts that drilled him on the board were stunned at his mature beyond his years and advanced understanding of the game, calling him Peyton Manning-like in that respect (presumably, at a comparable stage of his career). It may have been the Stanford coach who was on the NFL network (or ESPN?) draft coverage, who personally recruited him, and said he never saw so many trophies in his life. I think this is close to verbatim, whether it was football, baseball, basketball, put him in a competitive situation, and he WINS.
QB is notoriously one of, if not the hardest positions to scout, because so much depends on traits and attributes that aren't physical and obvious measurables (40 times, VJ, BP, etc.), but mental and intangible. Football intelligence, the physical courage and toughness to stare down the gun barrel and ignore the rush, the ability to process information quickly, sense the rush when you are about to be sacked, calmness and composure in the heat of battle, confidence and leadership to rally the troops and inspire fourth quarter comebacks, etc, etc. etc. But it is hard to overstate the importance of a QB that is fiercely competitive, wants to win and be great, and is willing to do what it takes to achieve those goals. IMO, Winston is that kind of QB, and football-wise, is wired right and has the right stuff for high level success.
He did have a lot of INTs in 2014, but so did Matt Ryan in his final year at BC, and he turned out OK. I'll be surprised if he isn't in the neighborhood of one of the half dozen best QBs in the league at some point in his career, with a few years of development. Assuming they add talent and build the team around him, I'll also be surprised if they aren't in the playoffs in several years. I think he is the best prospect at the position since Luck (Wilson is great, but he wasn't as good a prospect at the time).
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
What an incredibly intelligent posting.
This kind of post doesn't contribute towards the discussion the boards are here for. If you've got a point worth sharing, you can make it without the insults.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I've heard from various people on football podcasts that the crab legs thing was overblown anyway. He had a friend working there that was hooking him up. His buddy and this subsequently, Jameis were caught. He wasn't just going to the store and stealing things. I imagine most of us have had a friend that worked somewhere and hooked us up without us really considering it shoplifting. I know in high school, my friend worked at Baskin Robbins and gave out lots of free ice cream.
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jurb26
Footballguy
This guy is a gunslinger and that's part of what makes him good. He's going to learn fast that it's much harder to fit those throws in the NFL. Sounds like that happened today. http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/jameis-winston-experiences-some-rookie-ups-and-downs/2239843
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I hope the fans down here give him a chance. They're quick to jump on a guy in this town. I imagine he'll get a little more slack than previous QB's because of his draft pick status, but there are a ton of people looking for any reason to hate him. If he starts slowly he may not be able to dig himself out.
lod01
Footballguy
And then they brought some pressure today ....3 tasty INTs. Everyone looks good when there's no pass rush.
sbonomo
Footballguy
Here is a good bet, who is arrested first Winston or Maziel? I am taking Maziel on this one.
Capella
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
Well, it's settled then.
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