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I think you guys are right that Carolina is poised to layeth the smacketh down on Tampa this weekend. I might still roll the dice on Winston (under the belief he's going to be throwing the whole game trying to keep them in it and wind up with a decent stat line) had he not lost two weapons and an O lineman Monday night. I think they're down on D, too. Just seems like too much and this one will be ugly.
Jameis will have to be extremely efficient with their offensive possessions. Carolina will be able to easily control this game on the ground. If Tampa can't sustain drives they're not going to be getting the ball back too much.
Wow I don't know but there may be something to this. Maybe his throwing shoulder was hurt or something. It's almost like there were medical reports about it and everything but some people just chose to ignore it as it didn't fit their dumb I won you lost narrative.
You lost. I think his meds wore off at the end of the game. I thought his bug eyes were going to pop out of his head. No W eating this week again. Didn't watch the whole game, how many turnovers did he have? At least one or was it 2 again?
I guess he could just curl up into the fetal position at the bottom of his drop and take sacks instead of trying to make plays.
Just gonna put those on him and not the Oline that isn't going to let him plant his feet? Ok.
I don't hate Winston.
The throw up for grabs isn't what we were talking about though. You brought up the fumbles, as if there was anything he could do on most of them.
I'm talking about his turnovers in general, not just one.
He's got 8 interceptions on the year to 18 touchdowns. I'm gonna guess in the history of the NFL there has never been a QB with less than 10 picks in a year that has received this much grief.
I know I'm late to the party with this but he's always been considered immature. There's a difference when a guy who's a known leader is ripping someone and a guy who has been known for immaturity.
This story seems to be all over the place. Meaning there seems no clear cut and dry story from either party. I will say I wouldn't put it past Winston either. They covered up the Rapes at FSU. A good friend of mine I've known for a few yrs who I met at an Eagles tailgate and maybe 8 yrs older then me was a media member in Carolina covering The Panthers until she moved to FL. The guy she worked with his wife was the Attorney on the Winston case and straight up admitted to my friend the case was covered up so Winston could play. Take it with a grain of salt but a really good friend of mine who I graduated HS with went to FSU on a LAX scholarship and graduated in 10 from FSU but has a few friends who have one had a brother on the team when Winston was there or guys who knew guys on the team. Being a student athlete you get a lot of dirt from colleges. This isn't picking on FSU because a lot of this happens at every college. Many of the guys don't even have the SAT and other test scores needed to even be eligible for enrollment of the college. Many of the athletes their homework is done by others or smarter students are paid to go to class for them. Again non of this should be new to anyone who isn't naive to how dirty College sports are. However my buddy also told me how his friends brother on the team said yeah Winton did rape both of those girls and even named other teammates involved. The team would literally joke about it too and most of the university and surround pro FSU media in the area slut shamed both women saying they did it just for money and nothing ever happened. Take it with a grain of salt as usual but that's two people who apparently know people in the known who have told me this. Plus given the whole PSU Scandal I don't put it past anyone this happened at another school. Been saying for awhile once the statue of limitations is expired NCAA will go after FSU like they did PSU. They just didn't want a guy who was in the running for their most prestigious award and team making them a ton of money at that time to have their image damaged. The NCAA doesn't care about the Victims just the money these teams make.
Not just UF he LED ALL OF NCAA IN 1ST HALF INTS his SENIOR YEAR. He also has severe ADHD on the field. I can't wait for TB to overpay this sexual predator bum.
Does this seem remotely believable to you? You think the team literally made jokes about Winston raping a young co-ed?
Your naive if you don't think this. I have friends who played with Dan Connor as he went to school in my are and his school played in my league. The PSU players would joke all the time according to friends of his about screwing drunk girls all the time who never knew what was going on. These guys are no different then your office workers who sexually harass verbally or physical their female co workers. These guys don't care. They are hypocrites. If it was their sister they'd have the pitch forks out and wanting to hang you but its ok for them because they are a Student athlete and have carte blanche because they know the university will protect them at all cost if they are a good enough player. I be if you opened up every school athlete who had a charged Rape or assault on them you'd be surprised how many of these were covered up. Given all the other dirty things in the NCAA the government could have ample enough evidence to shut down the whole college sports industry if they wanted too. You got to remember many of these athletes come from broken homes and neighborhoods where even someones life is respected let alone a females.
So, you don't like Winston. That's fine. I live in TB and I don't know anyone who refers to him as a sexual predator bum. Most fans seem quite happy with his production so far, and expect , providing he's healthy, a big year from him and Evans. The joking about the rape stuff seems like sketchy information at best. No way they were laughing about rape.
Evans has to step it up this year. You can blame QB play to a certain extent but Evans didn't look very good last year.
Agreed. Bucs gave him a good amount of coin so they must not be worried about him. Didn’t watch a lot of games so I am not sure what happened last year.
He needs good QB play or he's just not that great. Like Hopkins. He was terrible in 2016. That's why OBJ is in a tier of his own. He's been the most dominant WR since his first year and he's done it all with Eli playing behind an horrible OL. That being said, Evans and Winston are going to be a high powered combo for years to come. Will be interesting to see the dynamic Jones brings to this team. The one thing I will say about Winston, his skills are elite, but he's got to grow up a little and be a leader.
Have you ever played team sports? A lot of guys joke about that. A friend of mine ended up on one of Joe Paterno's PSU teams as a walk on and guys joked about that type of thing all the time. That's fine fans like him there. All Im saying is people shouldn't be surprised in 20 yrs this comes out that FSU covered this up. This is no different then the PSU thing or the Larry Nasser MSU situation right now. Plus FSU slut shamed both women as well so it's not hard to think the football team joked about it either. One clown said the victims should repay the money they got to the school since they didn't deserve it anyway. Why would they give the money they got from the school back to people who covered up a heinous crime that happened to them?
Your naive if you don't think theres other programs that did this. It's no different then Christians who turned their back of the Pedo's in the church for yrs. These colleges are all about making money and so is the NCAA. It's why I laugh when the NCAA punishes these student athletes from trying to gain etc money but don't punish the schools for covering up such heinous crimes they know about because said school is making the NCAA bank.Dr. Octopus said:
Sandusky and Nasser have both been convicted of serious crimes. Winston has not. He’s inlvolved in a “he said, she said” situation with a drunken co-ed and we do not know exactly what happened there.
No I'm comparing situations colleges cover up all the time. If you don't think college's cover up crimes of their star players I have some Florida swamp land to sell you. All these colleges are dirty. You can send a FBI government investigation into the NCAA and within 2 yrs probably shut down college athletics as a whole for life with the F Up stuff they've all covered up for yrs all for $$$. There's a report from the NY Times during that time that FSU and campus police F'd up the investigation and witnesses say the cops interrogated the Victim like she was the one being arrested. They asked and went through her Cell Phone but none of the players. The Florida State attorney running the case William Megs was a FSU law graduate. Gee that's not a conflict of interests. This was btw the first case of reported assault that was national news. A second allegation was quickly covered up by the school. Both girls were slut shamed by FSU faculty and students. It's was horrible.
Daily Times reports how FSU botched Winston case
The story kept changing because thats what the FSU police reported her saying which she never did. Eye witnesses and other people said the FSU cops actually interrogated her like she was the suspect. Forced her into answers they wanted from her because they were trying to protect Winston and the football program. They also went and checked all her stuff but never investigated cell phone footage or anything involving Winston and the other players who were reportedly involved. Let's also not overlook there was a second victim too. I just copied and pasted a nice little researched thing how FSU had 215 reports of sexual assault in 2014 and only 14 were ever reported. FSU by that standard actually broke federal laws. And unlike anyone else I had a very good friend of mine who you know actually went to the school so I think he'd know a little more about stuff then what a couple of dudes on a message board would. I don't know if you guys are FSU fans or alumni pulling the old PSU everyone is out to get us defense, Tampa fans or just pure Winston fans but these cover ups happen all the time in college sports. They need to stop. These athletes aren't entitled. They are no different then any other student there and shouldn't get special treatment. If Billy bob committed the same crime as lets just throw Joe Mixon in here Billy Bob is gonna get more punished then Joe Mixon because Joe Mixon plays football and makes the school a lot more money. Read both articles I just posted and you'll see how FSU botched this. The victims were treated like they were the criminals. Even her own lawyers said it seemed like FSU was trying to go as slow as possible to wait till after the football season was over to do anything about it.
