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I don't think that's clear at all. Even when he was running well last year they took him out at the goal line on more than one occasion.
Well, I do think it's clear that the coaching likes hi, but if coaching ends up limiting him somewhat, so be it. He's still exceptional value with a huge ceiling, but if someone wants to say he's just not that good, that's fine too.
So 6 years ago Morty had Shady for 12 games gaving him 200 and carries and 54 receptions, on pace for however much. Since then, in 2 years with the Jets and 3 with the Ravens, he hadn't much quality, healthy RBs worthy of more than 212 carries. It's worth noting Chip Kelly used Westbrook much better for our purposes. Morty only gave him 273 carries at maximum. And Alex Collins is not LeSean Mccoy. But John Harbaugh is not Andy Reid. So I don't know what to say.
Yep
Did you watch him? He is actually very exciting. In case you missed last season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB9V1_Zmwpg
This is exactly what makes me hesitate. He has shown he can handle the workload on his own. But there is no telling if the head scratching calls will continue this year or they will release their hold on him and let him run wild. There was no indication as the season progressed that the bonehead calls would stop.32 Counter Pass said:
The thing is the Ravens were 7th in the league in rushing attempts at 28.8 per game and that was behind a mediocre run blocking line. And a handful of the teams above them (Philly, Dallas, Buffalo, Carolina) have qbs who run way more than Flacco so I’m guessing that 7th number is closer to 3 or 4 in terms of attempts by running backs. I imagine the Ravens want to run the ball even more this year with likely a better run blocking offensive line in place. They should again have a pretty good *defense capable of keeping game scripts favorable for running the ball. There’s room for another back to get 10-12 carries while Collins still leads the way with 16-18 carries and a handful of targets which is basically what he averaged once the team let him lead the way against Miami in week 7. 20 touches per game for Collins is still realistic even with a second back getting touches and that’s a great payoff for his ADP. Also worth mentioning that the boneheaded play calling did seem to ease up towards the end of the season as Collins at least started to get more goal line and red zone touches to go along with utilization in the passing game pushing him up to those 20 touches per game.
Or people are oversimplifying.
I'm not all that interested in getting into a back and forth on him. Different opinions make this hobby fun, we'll see how it turns out. To me, this is a very, very simple situation and I'll trust what he looked like last year to me. I think Dixon is a talented runner and Allen is a quality backup, but it'll take Collins' regressing for him not to be a great value this year. Just my opinion, and maybe he flops. We've all missed more than we've hit over the years. I won't be surprised if he runs for 1200 yards and scores 10 TDs, and I won't be surprised if he loses his job.
To be clear, my opinion of Collins is based minimally on stuff like the draft. It's nice that they didn't, but he still has to go out and perform to keep it even if he's handed the job.
I saw him less than a handful of times and I was very impressed. However, it was maddening seeing him taken out. Why, when he did look so good?
Baltimore is perpetually in salary cap trouble. Overthecap shows them as 12th worst in the league for the next 3 seasons
I mean this year; they didn't have to sign Collins cheap because of salary cap. Getting rid of Flacco will solve a lot of their cap issues I believe.
They didn't have to tender him an ERFA. They could have just signed him to a long term deal.
Ah yes, the old "infallible professional evaluator" argument. The best guys always play. Problem with this line of thinking is you're never allowed to question personnel decisions, draft choices, trades, playcalls, going for it on 4th down, etc...because all those decisions are made by guys who get paid millions of dollars to make them.
I'm not saying they get a free pass on everything, but I always find it odd how so many times "I know better than him" comes up so often, when in reality we know very little about the big picture than what really goes on behind the scenes.
There are a lot of highly paid guys making these decisions. And they screw up, seemingly often. And we're not even good enough to be one of them, otherwise we would be, so how much worse would we be at those jobs?
if hes as good as you say he is, he would have been cheaper after 2017 than after 2018. his resume is not that impressive to warrant top 10 pay. but if he has a great season as many here predict, he may price himself out of Baltimores price range.
that's the point I'm making
Cheaper than following another good season yes, but way more risky. We're talking about a RB here. I know there's a bit of a renaissance going on at the position, but teams aren't overpaying non-elite talent if they don't have to.
Really? Within the top 10:
UFA
you said teams aren't overpaying non elite talent. that's simply not true. doesnt matter if they were a UFA or a 3rd round pick or anything. they are non elite talent being paid like top 10, 2 from one team even.
Wat? I'm not arguing that he's a stud, I'm just pointing out that his contract has nothing to do with how they feel about him and everything to do with his contractual status.
I said if they don't have to.
Lol this isnt Kirk Cousins, it's a running back. If he has a good year and feels alienated, then he'll get a good contract elsewhere, the Ravens will get a comp pick, and find another guy.
C'mon.Dr. Dan said:
I was unaware of the restricted FA status for next year. Yes, then it makes sense because you can still put a 1st round tender on him and paying him less over the long run while still figuring it out. If he was an UFA I can't see that paying off long term.
I took a trade 1, 2, 3 for Collins. could very well be a 3-8 range. depends on mccoys status for how well he does. I'm quite happy
If you believe Collins will be successful as the primary RB for the Ravens this year, that's selling pretty low. If you believe the future RB of the Ravens isn't on the roster yet and Collins will fail, that's a steal to get the picks.
tough call. I feel like Collins is better value. you might be keeping ertz 2 or 3 rounds cheaper than it would cost you, but you could be keeping Collinsnfor 6 or 8 rounds cheaper than it would cost you.
