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2023 New York Jets: Bye Bye (10 Viewers)
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Crash Davis
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https://twitter.com/BenMurphyTV/status/1084890729711894529=Smackdown= said:
He's either a serial killer or he's high. Plus he looks like someone spliced Prince Charles' DNA with Vladimir Putin's to create a test tube baby. Good grief, the optics of this press conference do nothing to ease the angst of the hire.
NYRAGE
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ShamrockPride
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MK Ultra? That interview was seriously creepy...
rockaction
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Hoo boy. That's a winner right there. Belichick is a gregarious Harley rider compared to that guy.
God, this franchise.
God, this franchise.
sheerterror
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NYRAGE
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Well, at least expectations are minimal (ok, closer to rock bottom), so maybe we get pleasantly surprised for a change. Gase came off a little better in a 1 on 1 interview on SNY. That presser was odd. It was like a scene from Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The funny thing is, we still don't know anything about Gase, his system, his plans (other than hiring a coaching staff - thanks for that nugget), or much of anything else. Just bizarre in general, but quite the norm in Jetsland.
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Bracie Smathers
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Grahamburn
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Bigboy10182000
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Was he always like this? I feel like if he was we would have seen it before.
Kiddnets
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I love this hire....always liked Williams....he'll be perfect as the HC of the defense....after years of no emotion on the sideline can you imagine the change with these 2? Players used to Bowles' blank stare will now get crazy eyes Gase and Williams the bounty hunter!
The Williams hire makes me feel much better about Gase.....basically its super coordinator system like the Rams......finally some optimism
The Williams hire makes me feel much better about Gase.....basically its super coordinator system like the Rams......finally some optimism
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yes love the Williams hire as well. Makes sense to have a big loud ####### in that spot.(especially one with a track record of success). Might take some attention off of how weird Gase is.
Always liked the 4-3 better too. Only downside is it probably means Anderson is gone, and he was one of the few bright spots this year. Maybe this frees up Williams to make some more impact plays up front
Always liked the 4-3 better too. Only downside is it probably means Anderson is gone, and he was one of the few bright spots this year. Maybe this frees up Williams to make some more impact plays up front
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rockaction
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4-3 costs more, though. Just cap-wise, but they have cap room. You'll probably see them drafting or targeting pass rushers this year in the draft or in free agency.
Wonder who is on the market or in their minds for the draft...
King of the Jungle
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He needs to have a press conference to explain his press conference. Never have seen anything like that before.
NYRAGE
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Well, it's to be seen who makes it to free agency, but here is a short early list:
1. Demarcus Lawrence
2. Ezekiel Ansah
3. Trey Flowers
4. Frank Clark
5. Bruce Irvin
6. Chris Long
7. Brandon Graham
8. Cameron Wake
9. Dante Fowler Jr.
10. Julius Peppers
Plus you have Clowney, Suggs, and Ford that are pass rushing LBs that were better fits in our old system.
Dr. Octopus
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I think it’s a better set for Williams - he’s better suited as a 4-3 DE. Maybe draft one of these other pass rushers for the other side if they don’t trade back.
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Kiddnets
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Lawrence is my #1...with Clowney, then Flowers, Clark and Fowler....Ansah age/injuries scares me....Id throw big $ at the top 4 if they make it to FA and mid level $ for Fowler.....figure $20M for a stud or $10M for Fowler...also go big on Paradis at center and keep Spencer long at guard....those 2 signings still leave the Jets at $60M....I dont love the value of Bell but they have the $ and could use playmakers so go $17M to Bell (can cut Crowell which saves $3M more) which is $43M then Mike Williams at $10M for $33M - rest is depth signings and resignings.....that gives a stud pass rusher....stud RB...stud Center....solid WR with upside....plus #3 pick? Thats a nice base.....NYRAGE said:
Beef Ravioli
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Any updates on what was up with the eyes?
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Probably something neurological and the lighting may have exacerbated it.
Here's his Miami intro press conference
He does not have the eye expressions but as the press conference goes on he does look like he's rocking a lot...possibly trying to control tics. This taped interview not so much though.
Maybe they gave him eye exam right before?
-QG
Here's his Miami intro press conference
He does not have the eye expressions but as the press conference goes on he does look like he's rocking a lot...possibly trying to control tics. This taped interview not so much though.
Maybe they gave him eye exam right before?
-QG
QuizGuy66
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Based on the pattern they'll go 9-7 with him this year. Then they should immediately fire him as the next coach will go like 11-5. Then they fire that guy and the 3rd guy goes 15-1. And THEN they fire THAT guy and the next guy gets you a Super Bowl.
I kid but it's strange how the last few coaches all have seemed to have come strong right away and then things go downhill almost immediately after.
-QG
I kid but it's strange how the last few coaches all have seemed to have come strong right away and then things go downhill almost immediately after.
-QG
QuizGuy66
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Reaper
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Funny how these things go But.......
As a Usual Jet Darksider and Pessimist....... I'm Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Granted I was never a fan of Macc and his Mulligan - "Oh we were going for a Super Bowl my 1st 2 years and NOW we're really going to try to build a roster" BULL that many fans bought.....
But, Since Macc is still here - I'm ALL IN for Gase and Williams...
I think Gase will be great for Darnold, and WIlliams will kick the #### out of this D like it needs..
If nothing else it's GONNA BE FUN!!!!!!!
Bottom Line....Macc is still the one with the spotlight and needs to surround Darnold, Spend that money wisely and DRAFT!!!!
When Macc 1st came here - I wanted Young QB's (Yes Geno!!!! or WHOEVER to develop) to play and spend little money unless it's on young Long Term solutions - So he Spent the money on old guys and played old QB's and here were are THE REBOOT....
NOW, I change my tune - Now that we have a QB, I say SPEND IT!!!!!!! Anything to help a young QB grow.... I'm all for L Bell, Antonio Brown - BOTH, whatever....
My entire Football View is changed with Darnold on my side.
Lets Do this!!!!
As a Usual Jet Darksider and Pessimist....... I'm Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Granted I was never a fan of Macc and his Mulligan - "Oh we were going for a Super Bowl my 1st 2 years and NOW we're really going to try to build a roster" BULL that many fans bought.....
But, Since Macc is still here - I'm ALL IN for Gase and Williams...
I think Gase will be great for Darnold, and WIlliams will kick the #### out of this D like it needs..
If nothing else it's GONNA BE FUN!!!!!!!
Bottom Line....Macc is still the one with the spotlight and needs to surround Darnold, Spend that money wisely and DRAFT!!!!
When Macc 1st came here - I wanted Young QB's (Yes Geno!!!! or WHOEVER to develop) to play and spend little money unless it's on young Long Term solutions - So he Spent the money on old guys and played old QB's and here were are THE REBOOT....
NOW, I change my tune - Now that we have a QB, I say SPEND IT!!!!!!! Anything to help a young QB grow.... I'm all for L Bell, Antonio Brown - BOTH, whatever....
My entire Football View is changed with Darnold on my side.
Lets Do this!!!!
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I know that we have a lot of cap space, but we also only have 30 players under contract. That cap space will go quickly, so Dum-dum needs to spend wisely.
That whole o-line can be replaced. If Beachum gets cut, that's another $8m in savings. Winters and Long save another $6.5 m each. I'm guessing Winters stays and Long is gone. Crowell may go, too. That's another $3m savings if the Jets didn't like his toilet antics.
That whole o-line can be replaced. If Beachum gets cut, that's another $8m in savings. Winters and Long save another $6.5 m each. I'm guessing Winters stays and Long is gone. Crowell may go, too. That's another $3m savings if the Jets didn't like his toilet antics.
Dr. Octopus
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Long played better once he was moved to guard but I won't shed any tears if he doesn't come back. And good point on how many roster slots are going to eat up that cap space. This roster is really bad largely because of Mac - which makes the proposition of him rebuilding it a bit scary.
rockaction
Footballguy
Gone. Just get it over with. It's not a cap hit, it's a cap savings with guys you have under contract that can do the same thing. I'm looking at you, Elijah.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I'm not a Crowell fan, but we need to find someone with some speed and I don't mean Cannon. McGuire is fine as an all-around back-up, but he's still pretty pedestrian to me.
rockaction
Footballguy
What do you think Bell does with his stutter step/patience (depending how you define it) behind this line? Just curious.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I think he's a great receiver and good RB, but if we don't improve our o-line, he won't be remotely worth the salary he will command.
rockaction
Footballguy
I am in full agreement. That said, if we're going to sign him, might as well spend draft capital making it so that's it worth it.
Lots of moving parts here. A change to a 4-3 (or 5-2) D Line and needs everywhere. This is the draft we need to hit.
NYRAGE
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't even think Cannon should be on the roster next year. He has no instincts or awareness and for a guy that was slated as a 3rd down back type he can't catch.
I agree McGuire at best is the lesser part of a RBBC. I'm open to Bell, since there won't be many playmakers available in free agency but given his likely asking price I'm ok if he signs elsewhere as well.
Although I'm a bit tired of signing RBs to their last contract, Mark Ingram is a guy I could get behind adding as he's an all around back and brings energy.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
That made me laugh. Those were actually his good points.
I like Ingram. He's not exactly a game-breaker either, but I like what he would bring. Unfortunately, we're still stuck needing that speedy third down guy.
rockaction
Footballguy
And out of Payton's offense, who knows?
But meanwhile, we've been talking about Glennon at QB and Mark Ingram as RB, and the Pats have Michel and Brady under center. So where does that leave us?
Dr. Octopus
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rockaction
Footballguy
Didn't you want Glennon back when? That's not to cut you down. My broader point is that QB and RB are so unsettled and we have pressing needs everywhere. We had to trade two second rounders to get a guy...
I'm not making my point well. We both wanted Glennon at the time. We wound up with Darnold at 1.03. Good pick. Let's see how it works out.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Oh, yes. I was willing to bring him in on the cheap instead of Fitzmagic for the second go 'round.
And yes RB is unsettled which is another reason Mac is just not good at his job - look at all these other teams that keep finding RB gems late in the draft while Mac continues to swing and miss on guys like Cannon and (to a lesser extent) McGuire.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, my only worry is that they'll pony up a huge contract for Bell and he'll tiptoe his way to 3.2 YPC.
It's the Jets way, it seems, other than when Parcells was running the ship. Remember Blair Thomas?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure I remember Blair.
My preference would be to build up the o-line as the #1 priority and then worry about adding RBs and WRs - but that's easier said then done. As much grief as I give Mac, here I will admit that spending this cap space wisely will not be easy. There just are not many great WRs or RBs available and teams with money will drive up the price.
rockaction
Footballguy
So spend at foundation with guarantees and build next year through the draft is what I'm thinking. As I see it now, you've got a new defensive scheme, no O-line, no receivers -- why on earth are you going to sign a running back who was easily replaced in Pittsburgh?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess the main reason is because Sam needs playmakers - but I'm falling off the Bell bandwagon. I'd rather that money go elsewhere.
rockaction
Footballguy
With the contract he wants, it should go elsewhere.
At least we have safeties instead of Mahomes (thanks, guys!)
Kiddnets
Footballguy
they are going to have over $100M to spend when all is said and done...I dont love the value of a $17M RB...especially Bell...but they have stupid money and have not only a need at RB but offensive playmakers in general....Bell is forgotten a bit in his absence but he is a stud who can run and catch - someone the defense needs to account for and plan for each week...Jets havent had one of those guys in a long time....he is head and shoulders above any other offensive player in FA....sign him to big $ and there is still a ton of dough to spread around....he would take a lot of pressure of the kid so its worth the $ IMO
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