whoknew
Footballguy
Is that unusual? I reckon a lot of large donors have gotten ambassordships in previous administrations, no?
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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (12 Viewers)
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timschochet
Footballguy
There is also some history to this sort of thing. Joe McCarthy tried it during the Army- McCarthy hearings.
squistion
Footballguy
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1m1 minute ago
Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in Somalia, how did that go? Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. It is a U.S. President’s absolute right to appoint ambassadors.
....They call it “serving at the pleasure of the President.” The U.S. now has a very strong and powerful foreign policy, much different than proceeding administrations. It is called, quite simply, America First! With all of that, however, I have done FAR more for Ukraine than O.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1195356198347956224
Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in Somalia, how did that go? Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. It is a U.S. President’s absolute right to appoint ambassadors.
....They call it “serving at the pleasure of the President.” The U.S. now has a very strong and powerful foreign policy, much different than proceeding administrations. It is called, quite simply, America First! With all of that, however, I have done FAR more for Ukraine than O.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1195356198347956224
jamny
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
sho nuff
Footballguy
What is a proceeding administration? And his foreign policy has never been America first...he has actually acted against Americas best interests in several occasions. And as usual he cant stop being obsessed and jealous of Obama.
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TheMagus
Footballguy
Listening to these diplomats is so impactful - not only from the perspective of laying out what happened, but why this is so bad and how damaging it is to the country. It's really a shame more people aren't watching this and instead getting soundbites and "analysis" from cable news. I feel much more informed on how our diplomacy works by watching this.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...the soundbites and claims of who is the star witness and no direct contact...it’s ignoring what is going on...but laying out the whole picture of how bad this was on every level.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
It sounded like a threat. Damn.
Nicholas Fandos Congressional Correspondent
This is important: Yovanovitch quotes what Trump had said about her and describes her reaction. “‘She is going to go through some things’ — it did not sound good. It sounded like a threat.”
This is important testimony.
Pay attention folks.
Maggie Haberman White House Correspondent
Nick, she said this moments after the president attacked her on Twitter.
This is important: Yovanovitch quotes what Trump had said about her and describes her reaction. “‘She is going to go through some things’ — it did not sound good. It sounded like a threat.”
This is important testimony.
Pay attention folks.
Maggie Haberman White House Correspondent
Nick, she said this moments after the president attacked her on Twitter.
Waingro
Footballguy
It also shows that we have some really smart and honorable individuals serving our country only to be undermined by our shameful administration.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well one prosecuted and convicted a Soviet spy and the other sued a fictional cow.
Maggie Haberman White House Correspondent
This line of questioning is a reminder of why the White House released the transcript of the first call, even with the discrepancies from the readout at the time. The July call is problematic for Trump and some Republicans privately acknowledge it.
This line of questioning is a reminder of why the White House released the transcript of the first call, even with the discrepancies from the readout at the time. The July call is problematic for Trump and some Republicans privately acknowledge it.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The GOP should stand down here in the face of this decent, dedicated woman. But instead clumsy efforts to tear her down will ensue and it will be disgusting.
I believe that suit is mooooo-t now.
(Just a silly pun, the very serious effort to shut down the cow is an ongoing concerted effort by Nunes and the Chick-Fil-A chickens.)
squistion
Footballguy
Amb. Yovanovitch says she was "shocked and devastated" & the color drained from her face as she learned that Trump disparaged her in his call with Zelensky.
She considered Trump's pledge that "she's going to through some things" a "threat."
GOLDMAN on the Trump-Zelensky rough transcript:
"What were you concerned about?"
YOVANOVITCH: "'She's going to go through some things.' It didn't sound good. It sounded like a threat."
GOLDMAN:
"Did you feel threatened?"
YOVANOVITCH: "I did."
She considered Trump's pledge that "she's going to through some things" a "threat."
GOLDMAN on the Trump-Zelensky rough transcript:
"What were you concerned about?"
YOVANOVITCH: "'She's going to go through some things.' It didn't sound good. It sounded like a threat."
GOLDMAN:
"Did you feel threatened?"
YOVANOVITCH: "I did."
Workhorse
Footballguy
Bill Taylor and his aides have sterling reputations from careers spent in public service who have faithfully served this country under both parties. Do you really think that people like this would put their reputations at risk over a lie? Is there a single thing in their whole lives spent advancing US interests abroad, often sacrificing personal and professional gain, that you can point to that would suggest that this is even remotely possible?I don't believe Taylor's aides story that he overheard Sonland and Trump phone call, no. Are you really taking seriously that accusation? My friends Mom's sister overheard him say on a phone call....... Nevermind the fact there is no way you can here full conversation in a crowded cafe. Come on Saints!!
I just can't understand this line of thinking. At all.
Nicholas Fandos Congressional Correspondent
A big question I have as I watch these hearings: Will the accumulation of public accounts put pressure on other witnesses who have been unwilling to cooperate to reverse course. I am thinking most of John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser.
Goldman has now put up a Trump tweet from March that shares an article about Yovanovitch. He is directly implicating Trump in the smear campaign against her at the time.
Previously, Democrats have described this smear campaign against her as the work of Giuliani and others in Ukraine that ultimately influenced the president. Now we see how the president was involved in amplifying it.
A big question I have as I watch these hearings: Will the accumulation of public accounts put pressure on other witnesses who have been unwilling to cooperate to reverse course. I am thinking most of John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser.
Goldman has now put up a Trump tweet from March that shares an article about Yovanovitch. He is directly implicating Trump in the smear campaign against her at the time.
Previously, Democrats have described this smear campaign against her as the work of Giuliani and others in Ukraine that ultimately influenced the president. Now we see how the president was involved in amplifying it.
FYI - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/15/us/politics/marie-yovanovitch-impeachment-hearing.html
This is both a feed to the live testimony, and a running commentary on the side by NYT journalists. If anyone is interested (and has a NYT account - not sure if its available to non-subscribers)
This is both a feed to the live testimony, and a running commentary on the side by NYT journalists. If anyone is interested (and has a NYT account - not sure if its available to non-subscribers)
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Showing Trumps tweets in real time and letting her reply makes Trump look even worse than he normally does. I'm genuinely embarrassed right now - I know nothing about this woman but she doesn't deserve this.
timschochet
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The purging, humiliation & intimidation of an Ambassador is evidence and an element of a crime (foreign influence), not the crime itself.
timschochet
Footballguy
So awesome of Schiff to read that tweet. This President needs to be publicly shamed.
Skoo
Footballguy
Just another piece of the puzzle proving his gross abuse of power.
There are many more people scheduled to testify next week. Each will help fill in another piece of the puzzle.
Skoo
Footballguy
I'd bet that the President, who definitely isn't watching today, won't be able to stop himself for tweeting about Schiff reading his tweet in the hearing today.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Have a class. TIA for any important updates.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Can you please provide a link to support your insinuation that the cafe was crowded, or that there was a "full" conversation? Thanks.I don't believe Taylor's aides story that he overheard Sonland and Trump phone call, no. Are you really taking seriously that accusation? My friends Mom's sister overheard him say on a phone call......
squistion
Footballguy
Exactly.
And I never thought I would live to see the day where the POTUS, in real time, attacks and tries to intimidate a witness testifying before a Congressional hearing.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Wow. I’m watching Fox News (don’t ask why but I wanted to see how they are reacting) and Bret Bair (sp?) pointed out that Schiff just added a new impeachment article and that Trumps tweet just turned her into a sympathetic witness and the GOP will need to clean this up.
Nicholas Fandos Congressional Correspondent
Schiff is moving the committee into recess. The reason: the House is about to hold votes over in the Capitol and lawmakers have to go cast their votes. But this tremendously benefits Democrats. This break could hast 30 or 40 minutes, meaning Republicans will only get to ask questions after 11 a.m. when much of the viewing audience will likely drop off.
Republicans are likely to be furious.
It is not uncommon for congressional hearings to be interrupted by votes like this, but rarely are hearings such high-stakes exercises.
For a half hour now, television news will all be talking without competition about Democrats’ questioning, Trump’s attacks on Yovanovitch and her powerful testimony.
As for us, we will take a brief break ourselves and be back when the committee gavels back into session.
Schiff is moving the committee into recess. The reason: the House is about to hold votes over in the Capitol and lawmakers have to go cast their votes. But this tremendously benefits Democrats. This break could hast 30 or 40 minutes, meaning Republicans will only get to ask questions after 11 a.m. when much of the viewing audience will likely drop off.
Republicans are likely to be furious.
It is not uncommon for congressional hearings to be interrupted by votes like this, but rarely are hearings such high-stakes exercises.
For a half hour now, television news will all be talking without competition about Democrats’ questioning, Trump’s attacks on Yovanovitch and her powerful testimony.
As for us, we will take a brief break ourselves and be back when the committee gavels back into session.
timschochet
Footballguy
The only thing missing from Schiff’s reading that tweet is that after he read it he should have said “Have you no shame Mr President? At long last?”
sho nuff
Footballguy
Those do nothing...oh wait , they aren't actually shirking their duties for this at all. But still doing their jobs all around.
Workhorse
Footballguy
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Watergate Fantasies?
squistion
Footballguy
Amb. Michael McFaul just now on MSNBC:
"For [Trump] to go after her while she is testifying —and let's just be clear, completely crazy stuff ... When she was in Ukraine, things got better in Ukraine. And she was fighting corruption effectively ... I'm deeply disappointing in the president."
"For [Trump] to go after her while she is testifying —and let's just be clear, completely crazy stuff ... When she was in Ukraine, things got better in Ukraine. And she was fighting corruption effectively ... I'm deeply disappointing in the president."
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The only comp I can think of to a US leader wielding such power and influence through attacking his own party and people is Huey Long.
ren hoek
Footballguy
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